Why Do COG Members Still Defend Abusive Church Leaders?

Why is it that Church of God members will continue to defend church leaders whom they know are abusive and have witnessed or been on the receiving end of abuse?

People who saw the abuse of Rod Meredith over the decades, who were disgusted by it and were many times on the receiving end of his wrath, today are supporters of his church.  They know he was wrong and they have seen the bodies littered along the way due to his actions.

People know Dave Pack is abusive and is lying through his teeth at times, yet they sit in church every week getting all gooey eyed at the mere presence of the Superfantabulous One.  He has bled they dry financially and separated them from family members, but it is all OK.

To the right you will see the featured posting of how Fred Dattallo, Cal Culpepper and Gerald Flurry all help contribute to the suicide of Janet De Gennaro.  Their spiritually abusive messages, their abusive actions and callous words have damaged many over the years since the Philadelphia Church of God cult started.

Notice the following thread of comments (from the tab above with the same title) seeking to justify or whitewash the sick actions of PCG ministers:

SKYGUY said...

I am not a member of the Philadelphia Church of God and in fact just heard about it. Let me then respond as a 1978 Ambassador College Pasadena graduate. In recently researching the Philadelphia Church of God and the Herbert W. Armstrong College in Edmonton I found the article on this blog site regarding the suicide of Janet De Gennaro and the obvious and understandable anger of the De Gennaro family regarding Gerald Flurry, Mr. David Privratsky and Elder Fred Dattalo.

MY COMMENTS HERE REGARDING FRED DATTALO ARE SHOWN IN PART 2 AND PART 3 FOLLOWING THESE COMMENTS

The loss of a daughter is nearly unbearable, a crippling life changing event, it is hard for most to even imagine this horror, having four daughters, I do and can, but cry even now as I write this. There is no room here to pick on or rebuff the comments of the father of Janet De Gennaro, whether their reactionary comments are accurate or not. There is only room for compassion and prayer for the De Gennaros to have the ability to recover from this tragic devastation and loss sufficiently to even go on in life.

The scriptures say that one side of the argument often seems right … until you hear the other person’s side. So apply this scripture.

I have never met nor even known of HWA Chancellor and PCG Pastor General Gerald Flurry until recently and although the comments made about him may cause pause, it is up to him to take such accusations to God, and steer his course according to what God shows him. It is a matter between Pastor General Flurry and God alone. Why condemn? When we judge, we will be judged. Does one want to retaliate, even if just verbally and in writing? Many of us, myself included, have suffered much and would wish to get even, but we learn to repent of that and grow to hold back such responses and trust more deeply in God who tells us not to return evil for evil, and not to retaliate. God says ‘vengeance is mine saith the lord … I will repay.” And He does.

I also refuse to judge Mr. David Privratsky, I do not know him either, and his sins in this if any, are also between him and God alone. Do not think for a moment that a man like that was not deeply touched with tremendous grief after his wife died. The man and woman in marriage become one, the separation by death is also horribly painful to the surviving party..

Any Pastor can throw an un-repented sinner from the church and ostracize him per the Apostle Paul’s example, as also a Chancellor could also do to a disruptive student. But even the Apostle Paul wrote later that the church should have compassion on such a one less they lose the strength to go on.

I knew HWA while a student, and as a prophetic person I wrote him a long long letter about what might be done better in administration. I delivered it personally which he accepted willingly and seemingly gratefully and acted on as able. Yet some things were never cleared up, politics and administration are challenging foes. Later the the church exploded into fragments, Ambassador College disintegrated and eventually Mr. Armstrong was called home, all as was written to him.

I knew GTA, and as Student Body Business Manager got to even ride in the cockpit of the Falcon Jet with him while taking off and piloting. I was able to deliver a letter to him that he had written to David John Hill in their early school years. I had come across that letter while cleaning out the basement storage room dubbed the ‘vault’ and the ‘safe’ in a house down the street, and although slightly embarrassing in content it brought a smile and maybe a tear. I had been assigned by Fred Stevens, my boss and HWA’s personal assistant to clean out that basement vault and to personally decide what to keep and what to destroy. Accordingly I felt deeply humbled and diligently read every document. Other than my giving a letter found to GTA, I used the other material read as a good reason to pray for positive changes.
Robert Meiser AC ’78.

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March 29, 2017 at 4:25 PM 

SKYGUY said...

Part 2 of 3 re: FRED DATTALO:

If Mr. Flurry is in fact like Mr. HWA ,and he sure looks like him lol, even emulating him in that regard, then I imagine that his heart is full of compassion and that he took no joy in what occurred in Janet De Gennaro ’s death, or the resulting devastating effect on her family.

I do stand in judgment of Fred Dattalo, but not as you might think. Nor is my attitude and assessment toward him favorably biased because we went to Ambassador College together. In fact we worked very closely together as a team developing a time intensive large written project for one class. Since a team member, maybe actually two, were unable to help with finishing the project Fred and I pulled an all-nighter to complete it. As I reworked the wording and exhibits, Fred typed. This was before the advent of word processing, this was a manual typewriter and a very large project, it was painful. Fred worked diligently from early in the evening until early the next morning to get the job done. He would not stop for a cup of hot chocolate or coffee, and he would not stop even to use the bathroom. Fred had determined and had made a vow to himself not to stop until entirely finished. I was greatly impressed with this act, demonstrating his integrity and intent to do what was necessary to obtain a righteous goal, even while suffering to do so. Subsequently we became friends. My assessment of Fred is based solely on prayerful insight, scriptural application and a more in depth knowledge of Fred Dattalo’s inner man than most if any other readers here have had the chance to do. It might be easy to confuse such intensity and diligence with coldness or rudeness on a person’s part, but I assure you that is not the case here with Fred. It was more likely an intensity in performing an otherwise uncomfortable assignment, as we all have or will face at times in life, resulting in a communication disconnect, again as we all also likely already have or surely will encounter.

Although this may infuriate some, I hope they will pray through it and see this man differently. Fred was not a hired gun for Mr. Flurry nor a con man intent to win no matter who get’s hurt. Fred has a deep sense of integrity, an integrity that is being hurt by such public demeaning of his part in what occurred. As others surely cried over this death, you can be sure that Fred cried as much and took what happened before God in tears. That’s the way he is built. As for blindly following orders directly from Mr. Flurry that would not have been the case either. Fred having previously demonstrating his ministerial ability to Mr. Flurry in using sound reasoning and a compassionate approach in similar situations, following any necessary protocols already set by the church, would have responded with diligence, not ill intent, and would have seen it through according to those set protocols in as humane a way as possible.
Robert Meiser AC ’78.
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March 29, 2017 at 4:26 PM 

SKYGUY said...

Part 3 of 3 Conclusion - Fred Dattalo

Fred was not known to be a man trying to bring fame and honor upon himself, but a man that works diligently hard, harder than any man I have since met, and righteously, allowing any rising through the ranks to come as a consequence from that alone. God even says it is good to seek the office of a Bishop. And Fred, full of the Spirit and well versed in the scriptures would qualify for further service in the church. He was not an evil self willed narcissist with an agenda that intended to raise his own stature at other’s expense, especially in a case such as this. Fred, like all of us who are Christians, seeks the kingdom of God and Christ’s glory, and in that regard should be shown the respect that Christ and many other of us who know him well have for him, and his role in following Christ. He should be honored, as Paul says ‘with double honor’ and not be evil spoken against. In fact Christ warned some that they were close to committing the ‘Unpardonable Sin’ we should also seriously take note of and avoid doing that. We will as the scriptures say ‘be judged for every word that proceeds out of our mouths’. The unpardonable sin is public commentary degrading the work of the Spirit of God, and of demeaning those possessing God’s Spirit in their service. Jesus said that every sin, every trespass against Him would be forgiven, but that any sin against the Holy Spirit would not. Hopefully we all can learn from and respect this.

And perhaps then all of us, no matter how deeply hurt, can stand up and be counted as forgiving Christians, and make those changes necessary in our lives and in our churches and colleges to fully demonstrate the light of Christ that dwells in us to those around us and to the whole world who may be watching.

Robert Meiser AC ’78.

March 29, 2017 at 4:27 PM 

Anonymous said...

Your experience with Fred Dattalo is no longer the Fred that wrecks havoc in the PCG at this day and time. There are numerous horror stories about the despicable things has done and still does. Whatever acts of kindness and mercy he may have exhibited in the previous administrations is not like he is now. Flurry demands total obedience and has ripped families and marriages apart due to his vile doctrinal beliefs. If Fred is as you say he is then Fred need sot leave Flurry's cult immediately. A man of integrity would do that.

March 29, 2017 at 11:15 PM 

Audi said...

Mr. Meisner--I cannot understand how you can defend the actions of PCG officials in this matter. Who Fred Dattalo (and I never heard of him before reading this thread) was when you went to school with him has no bearing on who he has become. HWA (and Flurry after him) promote the ministry in the EXACT OPPOSITE WAY the Bible says ministers should behave. The Bible says ministers should be servants. WCG and PCG promoted them as dictators, above the membership in every way. They are programmed to believe they are superior.

This boils down to the same thing it always does in cults--The cult comes before EVERYTHING, and sadly, in this case that included an innocent young woman's life.

March 30, 2017 at 6:07 AM 

Annie said...

Mr. Robert Meiser: I attended PCG for a short period of time (3 years) I quit the church as I would not agree with the No-contact Policy.

Your comments full of mercy towards the ministers mentioned here are a sign of a truly converted man. A true christian will never ever use and run a site like this in order to speak bad about a dead person like Mr. Armstrong.

This site reflects no other thing, but anger and a contentious spirit, I find it everywhere. It is God's job to judge them and condemn them for their actions if needed.

A true christian will never act as Satan, the great accuser of the brethren, does. As Christ said about the Pharisees:"Do what they teach, not what they do". We ought to recognize that Yahweh the Eternal, used HWA to spread the true gospel, despite his personal flaws, just like he did with Moses, Jonah, kings David and Solomon, among others.

I know Satan is angry and inspires sites like these, he hates the truth about the Sabbath Day and God's plan of salvation, which is still being taught around the world, as a testimony to the nations and to preserve and nurture the small flock of those who are humble to hear the words of other faithful and loving servants I've personally known, even in the PCG and other churches of God.

Jesuschrist is coming for those who keep the commandments and keep the faith of Jesuschrist. This site is certainly not a christian site. They claim to be one that is trying to open the eyes of others caught into this "cult", yet they are breaking the biggest commandment Christ taught us: To love one another, which implies to forgive one another.

People forgive those in the body of the Messiah who did wrong to you. Move on, time is short. Christ is coming....

May 12, 2017 at 9:44 PM 

Audi said...

Annie, God did not use HWA for ANYTHING. He was a degenerate of the WORST possible kind, and the "truths" he disseminated were nothing more than other tired and non-Biblical garbage he borrowed from the Mormons and Seventh Day Adventists, and then claimed God "revealed" to him. He was a failed prophet, and the Bible itself says if someone makes prophecies and they don't come true, that person is a FALSE PROPHET. That is what HWA was, and so are all the splinter groups who are still shilling his crap. I hope your the veil is soon lifted from your eyes.

Randy

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COG Chief Pharisee Claims Mother's Day Pagan Fertility Festival

The dingbats of Armstrongism never cease in imagining everything in the world being pagan and therefore bad. Pagan's built houses, wore clothing, some ate meat and some were vegetarians, got married, and had kids, therefore according to the absurdities of Malm, we should not do any of these either.

This is the latest from the Chief Pharisee James Malm. This is what happens when you prostitute yourself to the law instead of following that inconvenient dude you CLAIM to follow.

Mothering Sunday was a pagan celebration of mother and child in a spring fertility festivity associated with Easter from the most ancient times.   

Since the advent of the Roman Catholic Church this very widely honored pagan holiday of mother and child worship was adopted and renamed Mothering Sunday as a celebration for the “Virgin Mary and child”  on the fourth Sunday of Lent.

Mother’s Day was later spread in America when in 1912 Anna Jarvis trademarked the phrases “Second Sunday in May” and “Mother’s Day”, and created the Mother’s Day International Association. She specifically noted that “Mother’s” should “be a singular possessive, for each family to honor its own mother, not a plural possessive commemorating all mothers in the world.” This is also the spelling used by U.S. President Woodrow Wilson in his 1914 presidential proclamation, by the U.S. Congress in relevant bills, and by various U.S. presidents in their proclamations concerning Mother’s Day in America.  

The ancient day of honoring mother [Semiramis] and child [Nimrod] was continued by the Anglican and Catholic church’s in America, and later Anna Jarvis backed by the Methodist Church sought official recognition of a national Mother’s Day.

Honoring mothers or fathers on one day is also a distraction from honoring them at ALL times as God has commanded. Too many give a Mother’s Day gift and think their duty done for the year.  

I would suggest that we commonly give our parents tokens of our appreciation regularly throughout the year and not celebrate the pagan Mothering Day.  A good time to do so would be on our own birthday’s when our mother’s birthed us into this world.

Recent Cyber Attack Is A Foretaste of Europe Attacking The U.S.

On May 12, a cyber attack happened that caught businesses, governments and others unawares and blackmailed them into giving $300.00 in order to restore their encrypted files.

May 13, 2017

24 hours after it first emerged, it has been called the first global, coordinated ransomware attack using hacking tools developed by the NSA, crippling over a dozen hospitals across the UK, mass transit around Europe, car factories in France and the UK, universities in China, corporations in the US, banks in Russia and countless other mission-critical businesses and infrastructure. 

According to experts, “this could be one of the worst-ever recorded attacks of its kind.” The security researcher who tweets and blogs as MalwareTech told The Intercept, “I’ve never seen anything like this with ransomware,” and “the last worm of this degree I can remember is Conficker.” Conficker was a notorious Windows worm first spotted in 2008; it went on to infect over 9 million computers in nearly 200 countries. 

The fallout, according to cyber-specialists, has been “unprecedented”: it has left unprepared governments, companies and security experts from China to the United Kingdom on Saturday reeling, and racing to contain the damage from the audacious cyberattack that spread quickly across the globe, raising fears that people would not be able to meet ransom demands before their data are destroyed.

I knew it would not be long till some COGladite minister would latch onto it and use it to further their already bankrupt prophecy predictions.

Never one to let us down, Almost-arrested Elisha, Elijah, Joshua, Amos, Habakkuk, doubly blessed, bitter "son" of Rod Meredith and Chief Overseer of the improperly named "continuing" Church of God, stepped up to the plate and made an ass of himself, once again.

The election in the USA of Donald Trump in 2016, followed by various statements after he became the President of the USA has offended many Europeans and is spurring them to increase their military spending and to plan to become independent of the USA for its security. 

This European Beast power has been developing technology for at least part of its military strength and long-term economic plans (see also European Technology and the Beast of Revelation). 

Eventually, perhaps under the guise of a NATO exercise, Europe will launch a surprise attack against the USA (cf. 1 Thessalonians 5:3; Daniel 11:39). This would possibly happen after one or more trade disputes, and perhaps after the USA has been weakened by weather problems, terrorist acts (from likely Islamic sources allied with Europe, per Psalm 83:3-8), war, riots, solar flares, severe earthquakes, civil unrest, devastation of their genetically-modified food supplies, food shortages, and/or various pestilences–an intensity of “sorrows” such as Jesus discussed in Matthew 24:4-8 leading up to the time of the Great Tribulation. Disasters, especially if there is an ElectroMagnetic Pulse (emp) attack or a severe solar flare storm, could be part of a so-called “perfect storm” of events that could set up the USA for destruction. 

As mentioned before, I suspect that after the Europeans and the USA and UK have some strained relations in the future, the Europeans may call for/agree to a joint military exercise, possibly under the conditions of NATO, in the USA. This would allow the Europeans to bring military aircraft, troops, and other military items to the USA, without the USA getting concerned it would soon be attacked.

The USA and Great Britain (including its Anglo-Commonwealth members, like Australia and Canada) were “great among the nations.” And the Bible is clear that betrayal is coming from national FRIENDS! Like many of those in NATO.

A ‘perfect storm’ is building. One day the USA and its Anglo-Saxon descended allies will be no more. 

Reading Reprint Articles For Your Sermon..Desperate Much?

Can you imagine driving over a hundred miles to church and having to sit there and listen to a so-called minister READING old WCG reprint articles that supposedly had the answer to almost any question church members might ask?  Most of those articles have ZERO relevance to anyone's Christian walk.  Absolutely NOTHING!  Zippo!  Nada!

Why in the world would any so-called minister, who supposedly has a Th D in theology and has read thousands of books and visited hundreds of historical locations, need to read outdated reprint articles from a church he considers apostate?

Here is what Almost-arrested, Elisha, Elijah, Amos, Habakkuk, Joshua, doubly blessed, world renown Mayan authority, unlicensed to practice Naturopath, bitter "son" that Rod Meredith wished he had never had, and Chief Overseer of the improperly named "continuing" Church of God is bragging about to his 1,996 members.  Why would ANYONE in Africa care what privileged white people had written in about because they were incapable of making their own decisions?

Dr. Thiel continues the series of going through answering questions that were commonly posed to the old Worldwide Church of God. Using a binder that many speakers were given by that church that contained standardized letters that were sent to answer questions, Dr. Thiel answers them.  Normally, in much greater detail than the normally single or double page answers that were given in the past by the old Radio and Worldwide Church of God. Subject covered included the answering questions, the meaning of B.C., A.D., B.C.E., & C.E. (B.C. originally was intended to refer to the period before Jesus was born and A.D. afterwards, though they were off a few years–Dr. Thiel misspoke once in this sermon and accidentally stated the terms B.C. and A.D. related to Jesus death–he apologizes for that misspeaking), lifespans before Noah’s flood, Herbert W. Armstrong’s genealogy, modern descendants of the Chaldeans & Babylonians, giants, Bible commentaries, Bible concordances, pen pals, swearing an oath, Jesus’ location between age 12-30, and the two witnesses.

The Lake of Fire sounds like a sure relief instead of sitting in a hot living room listening to this crap for two hours!

I Am That Man! The ONLY Man Who Is Proclaiming The Gospel of the Kingdom

Why is it that the Church of God has bred so many narcissistic morons that have set themselves  up as the one true end time man who has the direct avenue to God?  All these self-appointed fools do is claim one title after another and lie through their teeth as they deceive members and take tithe money from financially strapped members just so they can have a so-called work.

To answer the question, JUST WHAT IS THE WORK?, Herbert W. Armstrong personally wrote:  

But Christ said to His Philadelphia era Church, that because we have but little strength, He would OPEN THOSE DOORS TO US (Rev. 3:8)" (Letter 11/19/76). 

The PURPOSE for which Christ built the Church exemplifies its WORK...1) To ANNOUNCE to the world for its witness the coming Kingdom of God...2) To prepare the people to whom God adds to the Church...God has always worked with humans. He has worked with O N E  M A N at a time...The WORK consists of proclaiming the Gospel, by radio, by television, in print (Armstrong HW. JUST WHAT IS THE WORK? PASTOR GENERAL'S REPORT - VOL.3, NO.6 February 6, 1981) 

Notice that Herbert Armstrong believed that God mainly worked through the leadership of one man at a time to lead various phases of the work. Scripture, shows for example, that the mantle passed from Elijah to Elisha (2 Kings 2:9-15). The 'mantle' would currently be with the person/group that truly functioned as the 'pillar and ground of truth' (1 Timothy 3:15). 

Who is the one man at this time? 

The O N E  M A N at this time is Dr. Bob Thiel who while assisting in the directions of others who are supporting him, is proclaiming Christ's Gospel of the Kingdom by radio, via YouTube "television," via Internet articles, in person, and in print as he leads the Continuing Church of God.

Then there is this from Amazon where he peddles his prophecy porn:

Bob Thiel was raised in Michigan into a Catholic family, He moved to California in 1976 and is loyal to Holy Bible and the Church of God. His first book was published in 1994. Dr. Thiel is a one of the world's foremost authorities on prophecy writings, a published Ph.D. and a highly regarded researcher with multiple research awards to his credit. He holds a Bachelor's degree from the University of LaVerne, a Master's degree from the University of Southern California, and a Ph.D. from the Union Institute and University. Throughout his academic and professional career he has studied philosophy, religion, science, and prophecy; in recent years, has had scores of articles published on these subjects in magazines, newspapers, religious publications, and scientific journals. Married to his wife Joyce since 1981, the two have made multiple trips to ancient sites around the world including Asia Minor, Mayan sites, Vatican City, Patmos, Constantinople/Istanbul, Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia, and the South Pacific.

Other than Dave Pack, can the COG have a bigger narcissist in its midst?  "World's foremost authority on prophecy?"  If that is true then my cat speaks German!  There is not one single COG leader that is an authority on prophecy OR who has ever uttered a true prophecy, including Almost-arrested Bob Thiel.

He also makes it appear as he is still a devoted Catholic by stating he was raised Catholic and now remains true to the Church of God.  To many Catholics, this means he is still a Catholic since they refer to themselves as the church of God.   The COG has been filled with myriads of men who use slight of hand when talking about themselves and the church.  Deception without really lying is the name of the game.

On another site in 2012 he was featured in a blog interview under Paranormal Features about his book on 2012 and the Rise of the Secret Sect.

When asked about how he does his research he says:

Where do you research for your books? 

I buy and read other books, visit libraries, and go to sites of interest around the world.  Additionally, online resources are also helpful.

Anyone can buy books, visit libraries and "visit" sites pertaining to a subject that interests them, yet that does not make them authorities on the subject. Until a person gets their hands dirty and spends decades digging in Mayan ruins, excavating sites, collaborating with world known scientists and real authorities, enduring endless hours testing and retesting, attending a real seminary where one actually did real research with in-depth years-long study and not doing an online distance-by-learning degree study where one picks their own topic and does not start with ones own COG biases in order to make ones conclusions fit ones assumed conclusions (church teachings), then a person might be found to have more credibility. Doubly-blessed Thiel reeks of deception.

Does Elisha Bob look like a man who has ever gotten his hands dirty by doing hard work and building up some calluses on his delicate hands?  He is another COG elitist who has been pandered to by silly men who thought he was "converted" and had some kind of special knowledge thus "doubly blessing" him.

What are you passionate about these days?
  
I am passionate about trying to warn people not to follow false prophets as well as not to dismiss the value of prophecy because there are many false prophets.  I also believe that God loves everyone and that God's real plan makes sense, so I try to explain it despite my limitations.

Yet here is a man who is a false prophet.  A man who self-appointed himself.  His theological training was by two certified false prophets,  Herbert Armstrong and Rod Meredith.  He has debilitating limitations right out of the starting gate!

As for his god loving all humanity, he conveniently fails to tell "Laurie" that his god is ready to destroy most of  humanity through war, pestilence, disease, and famine.  He fails to tell her about the rampaging Germans, Chinese and Muslims who are scheduled to wipe most British Israelite nations off the map or take them into captivity. Elisha Bob and most of the COG movement has made its mission to get across how pissed off its god is and how It is going to leash fury upon the world.  Again, deception is the name of the game.

Elijah Bob also has words about those who criticize his books:

How do you react to a bad review of your book?
  
The few "bad reviews" of my book I have read have always suggested that the bad "reviewer" really did not actually read (or at least understand) 2012 and the Rise of the Secret Sect.  Those who have actually read and understood it do not tend to write bad reviews.

He assumes that anyone who disagrees with his already incorrect book has not read it nor understood the message he was attempting to get across.  It never crosses his mind that people can easily disprove all of his books.  A first-year seminarian at Fuller Theological Seminary can do that!  Again, deception is the name of the game.

John D, on the Church of God Perspective blog, is correct in stating:

Bob Thiel Is Still a Liar and False Prophet

Bob Thiel wants to pick on anyone and everyone in order to justify his own beliefs and vaunted ego. However, the fact is that he is a liar, he does not care for the truth, or accuracy for that matter, and he constantly compares himself to others.

A reader responded:

It’s obvious Bob Thiel is trying to present his credentials in a positive fashion which he hopes will leave a positive impression to the reader. But “studied graduate level” is not the same as earning a degree at graduate level, also “after a lot of writing” being granted a Th. D. doesn’t exactly tell the reader where it came from. Such a presentation of credentials leaves it open to a readers imagination. It can lead a reader to believe he’s achieved an impressive Th.D. or it can lead a reader to believe it came from an online version of the old saying “Where’d you get that degree, out of a Cracker Jack box?” 

Besides nowadays when it comes to teaching ideas about prophecy, there is a tendency to be evasive and vague enough to avoid timelines. They don’t make statements about events that will absolutely occur in the readers lifetime, but maintain a dialogue that leaves an impression that they absolutely know it may happen in a person’s lifetime. A legitimate question is, would a real prophet act like that? 

The question still remains about Amos Thiel:

Would a real prophet act like he does and do the things he does? 

The answer is NO!

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Dave Pack: God Deliberately Scheduled HWA's Life So That He Had No Time To Discover What I Know

Never one to be humble, Dave Pack has declared the following quote below as his take on HWA.  God apparently decided to structure HWA's life so that he never had the opportunity to read the Bible and discover the things Dave has uncovered.  Herbert could never have withstood the tiresome duty it is to spend countless hours preparing to reveal this new knowledge, week after week, hour after hour, minute after minute, second after second.  Dave is the COG Energizer Bunny, he never stops.

We had no idea what we were pulling through the wall, and that both of those, together, lead into something I want to tell you about Mr. Armstrong. Because I can report something about Mr. Armstrong that no one could ever say. I’m in a unique position to describe him…report something about him that no one else ever could, and it speaks to this prophecy. He’s going to come up at the beginning and the end of the sermon, but you’ll understand why this portion of reference to him is at the beginning.

God structured Mr. Armstrong’s life so that he had no time, literally, to research all that God has shown. God built his schedule, his ministry and his life—in the many latter years of his life—that would have never permitted him to research all that God has shown. And because of his particular nature, where had he begun to see the wires that were hanging out, he would have grabbed hold of them, wrestled them to the ground in a death grip and never turn them loose until he’d figured it all out.

Here’s the problem…It takes about 25 to 30 hours of my life just on what I’m delivering you—and it’s been going on for 14 months now. He could never have stopped his life. You just have to believe that. Visiting world leaders, doing all the things he was before that—building three campuses, an enormous worldwide ministry; of course, letters and broadcasts, and all the other things. He could never have done that without literally breaking the Work. Now, there are other reasons God waited to reveal this understanding, but I wanted to take you to the literal, physical reason—and that’s if you don’t count his age, you see.

God Hates Skyscrapers

Did you know that God hates skyscrapers and towers?  After God got really angry at the Tower of Babel, he has been holding back his wrath till the Arabs and others have built tall skyscrapers.  Even worse, some of the residents in these towers have decked their homes out with gold, marbles, beautiful wood, and paintings.

God's greatest end time prophet, Dave Pack, who runs the superfantabulous Restored Church of God has this to say:

You know it’s interesting. You look at the age that we live in, and people today are building these incredible residential towers. I don’t know if you’ve ever seen an interview of Donald Trump on the 55th story of his tower…marbles, gold, silver, tapestries, paintings, beautiful woods…magnificence in a tower. So it’s not a strange concept. You go around the world. New York is now loaded with them, partly because that man wanted to build them. But all over the world now, people…and the devil counterfeits everything…I’m not calling his place devilish, but you know, the Catholics always want high places—always do. The Tower of Babel…They started to build this tower, God knocked it down—said, “You don’t do that. You don’t stick a tower up into Heaven” and sent them away babbling different languages.

And when Christ comes He’s going to destroy all the towers, because there’s going to be one tower. We’re actually going to see He calls it a “tower”—one tower on Earth that sticks way up, and in importance is at the top of all the mountains of the earth. I mean, the ultimate lofty mountain, but now we know has a city on it, and it’s a city that has to accommodate ten thousands of people, ultimately, when it’s in Jerusalem, and they’re all living in mansions that probably, we would assume, look better than the one at the 55th story of Trump Tower or those towers that are all over the world now, where people live, because people want to live up. They’re going back into cities to live higher and have grand views, because everybody…I mean, men understand that. I’m pretty sure God does. I can’t even imagine what it would be like to look out of a 1,500-mile-high city.

So God is not about to have dwellings for three-and-a-half years…condominiums…high rises…that are more beautiful than His. You know it’s been said that Donald Trump is the only man who will ever downsize into the White House. That would be true, and not just physically come down, but just the quality of where he lives is just beyond magnificent. It’s never happened before. He’s worth twenty times George Washington. Almost exactly twenty times George Washington—who was the wealthiest president in our history. So the first president was the wealthiest until probably what will be the last one, who’s worth twenty times more.

But there are people that live in these incredible dwellings. Mega millions and millions of dollars for Penthouse suites. His kids live below him in that tower. Christ is not going to be second fiddle to places like that. I’m not just pointing to him, but there’s been scores and hundreds of thousands of people. Mr. Trump’s son in law, who’s an Orthodox Jew, is thirty-five years old and his net worth is 500 million dollars. At thirty-five…he made it himself. And he lives in an unbelievable place, too, lower in the tower as I understand. So, we are…we’re going to—you’re going to—live in a tower. You’ll be able to flit right out the window, though, and that’s another discussion. You’re going to have…fewer limitations. Let’s just put it that way.