Dennis On: "Twenty Four Observations About Twenty Four Proofs of Haggai 2013"

Joshua C. Pack  proves to all...

1) Understanding the meaning of the prophecy, starting with Haggai 1:2, automatically carries the requirement of taking a position on it. Oh it does not. But I have taken a position on it and it isn't yours or I can reserve judgment and go by the fruits of ita all.  The first problem is to decide if Dave is correct on Haggai being a prophecy about himself and RCG.  I decide not correct based on what the context and Haggai is really all about versus analogies anyone could make about it.  This cannot be avoided after one learns it. I believe this means it can't be avoided after one swallows the first supposition. Think about this. The position of the remnant is that “the time is not come” to rebuild God’s House. Are they right or wrong? I am thinking about it.  The problem is whether "God's House" was more than the Temple of old.   A church being "the temple" is a nice analogy, but it is merely an analogy. The chance it is your church is zero. God indicts their thinking, meaning they are wrong! Wow....not even into the first few sentences and already God indicts those who don't see what has been said.  And you know this?  Really?  We sure got to "meaning they are wrong" fast! If the prophecy is not now, the net effect would be that God agrees with the remnant’s view. Worse, so should those currently in God’s one Church because they now know the meaning of the prophecy. Think this through. One does or does not agree with the remnant. God does not—and we do not. The time is now! Let’s go further. Um sure ...fine.  What if it is not prophecy at all and therefore negating the leap from the remnant being right no matter if you agree or not?  How did we get to knowing the meaning of prophecy to agreeing with your ideas about it?  One in the same I suppose in Dave's mind. 

2) Directly related, why (or how) would God command the remnant to “Go…build the House!” (Hag. 1:8)—but not mean NOW? How could He mean some undetermined future year? Why would God tell them (twice) to “consider their ways”—but not mean that they should do this now? Well...they did consider their ways 2500 years ago and got off their butts and rebuilt the temple. Try to imagine God saying, “Consider your ways, but take your time. There’s no hurry. In fact, take years to think it over—even though you have been out of My Church for 20 years! You don’t have to DO anything now.” Now now..there you did it again.  You leapt from the real historical setting of Haggai into some strange and weird idea (where have I read that before?) and negated the fact that the remnant 2500 years ago did rebuild as admonished.  You're the one making Haggai mean what it never meant.

3) Also related, if God waited 2,500 years to reveal the prophecy’s meaning (3,000 years when various related much older Psalms are considered), is not His waiting done? Does His revealing it not signal that He has reached the time to fulfill it rather than having reached a point one, two or three years out? Well see...now there ya go again. Who says besides you it is a 3000 year old prophecy about you and RCG .  Who says any Psalms actually relate to David C Pack and the Restored Church of God?  All speculation and wild ideas if you ask me.  

4) Next, why would God wait longer? What would He wait for? The remnant is absolutely ripe for deliverance.  Dave likes that ripe for the picking concept and to that I can attest.  But Dave has his God waiting or not wanting to wait for something based on an idea of what God is waiting for.  What would He wait for?  Well, maybe He is done waiting for the Temple of Haggai's day to be built and He's waiting for people to appreciate the history now over and a few Messianic hopes expressed to come someday for the people of the Book?  I don't know.  I'd like to ask God personally if  He is waiting or tired of waiting for anything but I bet I can't get a straight answer.

5) Internally, and this is no small thing, God’s Church is truly ready to expand the Work in a BIG WAY. The prophecy features this as the MAIN PURPOSE of the remnant returning! Without the prophecy’s fulfillment, this expansion would be delayed one year—or more! Why would God notify His Church of the prophecy’s existence at the very same time our staff is ready, our websites are ready, our literature is ready and even God’s college is ready for more students if the prophecy were not imminent? Why would God notify His Church if HE were not ready? Well, perhaps because no real God is has the same plans as Dave does?  Perhaps the real God or power of the entire Universe never heard of Dave or his staff?  Maybe God thinks the mega-church a few exits down from Dave, which could swallow up Dave's buildings inside it's one building is more what God had in mind in Haggai???  Who knows?  But trusting one man who takes no counsel from anyone before he breaks out in prophetic musings seems a lesson the COGs need to consider well.  How many examples of prophecy coming alive and then dying do you guys need in one lifetime?

6) Related to this, the buildings on our campus can very soon handle significantly more staff than we have now. This is already true without the other two buildings scheduled for completion in the late fall. However, this extra size works perfectly if the prophecy occurs this year. So what?  Buildings for God are a dime a dozen especially in Ohio.  Let's face it, no real God spent even twenty minutes in his "House for God" in Pasadena, partly because He says He doesn't live in houses, but that seems to be just a rumor. I'm sure God is thrilled to know He has "staff" waiting to do his bidding.  Well staffed illusions infrastructure to support a delusion is no great accomplisment.  Those places are also a dime a dozen on the planet. 

7) Also related, but separate, our infrastructure is ready to receive and serve a much larger flock this fall! This includes field ministry being ready, but also other things. Wow..you're just kinda making new stuff up as you go here to get lots of points aren't you.  You could combine points 6 and 7 under 6.  I'm not sure there are many sheep left in the COGs that want to be penned and boxed in again with infrastructure but again, what do I know.  God has not revealed any of this to me.  Landfills are also made ready way ahead to receive stuff but I suppose the analogy breaks down using the concept of landfills and what fills the land.  

8) Maturing interest from many in the world due to one year of explosive television expansion requires many more laborers in the ministry by this autumn.  Well that's fine.  Work with them, Get THEM to show up, join up and pony up. The average COG member and church jumper is exhausted.  Personally I think people are far more skeptical of Televangelists or Telejoshuas than in the past.  They may not be as willing to part with their resources, believe everything one man tells them about all things and join something where misery seems to be lurking when not 100% in tune with the High Priest, but again...I could be wrong, but this seems an old paradigm and one that has worn out its welcome in religion and on TV. 

9) The Restored Church of God is experiencing an AWESOME period of growth and development at this time—in the runup period just prior to the prophecy’s fulfillment. This is putting it mildly! To us, this is powerful indication that we are on the right track for this year—that God is not only pleased with His Church, but that He is helping it get ready. Well nice try but lots of churches can say that regardless of their message.  Besides, everything is awesome with Dave so we're not really sure it is the kind of awesome we think of when we hear the word awesome.  Perhaps some income and baptism or church growth and new ministers info would be helpful in this regard?  Awesome growth of anything and the story of the rebuilding of the Temple in the 500's BCE may not have as much in common as one thinks.  Mormon Church growth is awesome. 

10) If the prophecy did not happen this year, the remnant would remain another year (or more) undergoing ever worsening false ways. Worse off, they would have a commensurate shorter time to spiritually recover before the Tribulation. Think worse condition, less time to recover. Well see, now your just making new ideas up based on some of the previous misapplied ideas in previous points.  What's another year in the whole scheme of eternity?  And don't tell me to "think" anything.  I would like you to think but I'm not sensing much success.  If God is control of it all, I'm sure we'll all have just the right amount of recovery time we need, no problem.  However, if Dave is anxious to get his own ideas going, I can see his frustration.  Dave has bills to pay.   Besides, most of the other COG splinters are not all that evil or have "false ways" getting worse.  Personally I'm feeling it is The Apostle Joshua who is getting worse, weird and strange, but that's just me.  He must inspire someone somewhere.

11) If reunification occurred next year (or any year after), those with God’s Spirit would have one more year cut off from God’s Church. This carries the potential for more to quench the Holy Spirit (I Thes. 5:19) and lose salvation. Boy..this hurry up so we don't lose recovery time and add to our quench time thing has Dave by the seat of his pants.  I still think it's bills to pay and permanent stuff to be build to send the message Jesus is coming soon.

12) The readers of the Haggai prophecy announcements (this is #21) who believed them would be the most disillusioned and the biggest candidates to QUIT everything if God did not return His people to one House this year! This would work directly against what God is doing—directly opposite His overall purpose.Well now Praise the Lord!  Finally an idea that is correct!  Dave has drawn the Line of Disillusion  (and there is nothing wrong with being Dis-illusioned for who wants illusions?)  You bet your sweet bippy they are going to be disillusioned in short order but that's a good thing.  Dave is saying he has to be right because if he is wrong you will become dis-illusioned with his illusions.  This would be progress in my world!!

13) Further desolation (Hag. 1:11; 2:16-17) from God of the splinter “houses” would practically wipe out the few remaining senior leaders in them. This includes pastors and elders, all of whom are NEEDED TO CARRY OUT THE BIG WORK! Now Dave...if God can raise up stones to fill in for the Children of Abraham, He can find newer and better ministers and members.  Besides, the old ones are ruined by now and probably don't have the energy to comply with your demands or sit long hours through your rehabilitation sermons. Let them go peacefully into that night and return when things calm down. 

14) The onset of all future years would never come with clarity—with any certainty! Would God leave thousands who are now aware of this prophecy in such a condition? Hardly. Probably better to say, "Would God leave thousands who have at least heard my ideas of who I am and how I am spoken of in the Bible in such a condition?"   Sure, why not?  Especially if they have figured out that waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in point one, you messed up the meaning of Haggai?

15) Next, for those who will see the value of how to pursue spiritual matters, there is this: After fervently seeking God about it, not one reason the prophecy is off this year ever emerged in the minds of even one of our 16 Headquarters ministers! I (we) have NEVER prayed about, studied over, meditated on, fasted about and counseled with other ministers regarding a subject more than this one—in fact no other subject is even close!  Oh Dave you nut. You know perfectly well if those guys are going to keep their car , their paycheck or even a nice house on faculty row to come, they will agree with anything you need them to agree to.  Michael Venish says you weren't real happy with him cautioning you on the Joshua stuff or spending monies of others on things that send the message "my lord delays his coming."  Remember how you shook your fist in his face and went bonkers when he tried to caution you?

16) Similarly, as questions emerged throughout our pursuit of truth with the many details of the prophecy, so many of these details kept coming clear as direct answers to prayer. And these were often immediate.  Invalid point. Anyone can expand an analogy to fit their need.  Besides, we have no clue yet if these clear and direct answers are true.  We're waiting to see if you are correct.  And we don't have long evidently.  Maybe then we can decide just how clear and direct these answered prayers were. 

17) Recall Haggai 1:13: “Then spoke Haggai the Lord’s messenger in the Lord’s message unto the people…” Haggai is the messenger to God’s people, with what is an all-important message from God. Would not God make clear in such a unique message He describes as “the Lord’s message unto His people” the correct date for action? What kind of message would it be if people did not know WHEN TO CARRY IT OUT?  Dave, read my lips.  the people in the 500's BCE got the point from the real Joshua the High Priest evidently and did as asked.  They did carry it out just fine.  All this other stuff is just made up and speculative.  Actually it is a speculative waste of time but we'll see.  Making scriptures mean what they never meant never works out well when critically thought through.  

18) Since the apostasy, God had not wanted the remnant back in His Church, but now He does.And you know this?  How do you know what God wants?  Oh...you just match it with what you want and bingo...they match!   He would first reveal the remnant to His leader, then tell him how they would return, and finally that He meant NOW. This was the order in which these things became apparent.  To you....

19) Imagine God not revealing the year the remnant is coming—but only the day and month. Vast amounts of time would have been wasted by His leaders studying and preparing for something that was not imminent. Would God put His Church in such a position? Vast amounts of time has already been wasted by "His leaders" preparing for the ever imminent.  I wish the Bible never said "no man knows the day or the hour" because some loon always says, "but He didn't say we wouldn't know the year."  Well hundreds of Joshuas in history have pulled that stunt over the past 2000 years and been 100% wrong 100% of the time to date.  

20) Of interest, God revealed to me during ELUL four years ago my role as the modern Joshua.  Oh Elul you nut!  Why not just say you were having a slow August and September and got bored?  It is not interesting in the least.  Do you think some God has to wait until Elul to speak up or mess the whole cosmic cycle up and turn it all on its head?  This reminds me of HWA grasping for an amazing thing, other than the start of the tribulation in '72 and the Second Coming in '75 by saying WCG picked up ad space in Readers Digest.   Grasping, straws and all that. 

21) Also of interest, I and The Restored Church of God learned about the New Testament remnant last ELUL (August). Let’s ask: Would timing of when we were shown the prophecy not be tied to its unique timing of fulfillment during the very next available ELUL?  Gee, you may be right.  Last Elul you think up some weird and strange tale and claim special insights and titles which would automatically lead to understanding this August (Elul) could be even more interesting!  Where I have been !  Clear as mud. 

22) We might ask: does the DEVIL know the prophecy is on? Shhhhhhh...not if you don't stop telling everyone!  For those who understand how the devil works—that he counterfeits EVERYTHING God does—a variety of counterfeit theories have recently appeared about how God is going to reunite His people. Well maybe they are the real theories?  Maybe when one goofball comes up with a another weird or strange  theory another goofball has to match it?  I think you are talking about diabolical mimicry which is an old explanation as to why some ideas that are presented as new seem so old. Should not the devil be expected to do this at the time it would cause the most confusion? You will soon see that most of these theories are coming from men standing on the wrong side of this prophecy.  Well duh...maybe YOU are on the wrong side of this "prophecy."  Maybe you have spun a simple tale intended as Old Testament History with Messianic hopes into a really corny fable?  Remember when you said...

"...now, if I became deceived, I will never tell you what I'm going to tell you now...I am telling you if I go off into strange ideas, misconduct, rebellion, you name it, don't follow me. I want to tell you that now, because if I start doing that I'm gonna try to get you to follow me! I'm gonna come to you and tell you it doesn't apply, it doesn't mean me, no, no, no, no, no, no, it's OK to follow me because ABCD and XY and Z. Do you understand what I'm saying? Listen to me now, when I tell you don't follow me if I go off into weird ideas, or if I get off into other things that are total absolutely unscriptural conduct, because if I do I'm gonna paint it with a different face and try to get you to follow me. Do you understand what I'm saying brethren? Please remember that, because I promise you that if I become deceived, I'll forget it, and I'll want you to forget it...And I hope you'll remember it well enough to quote it right back to me...But I'll tell you what, I'm not going anywhere."

Dave Pack-Sermon

December 12, 1998

I do remember it and I bet you do want everyone to forget it.   And if this is not a strange idea, what would qualify?

23) With God’s people split up, it is now almost impossible to do a powerful Work. (This might be the one area where the splinter leaders would agree.) God’s Church is largely stymied in working with both brethren and the world because of the confusion and deception from top leaders about where God’s Church is, who has the truth, who is carrying on after Mr. Armstrong, who is doing the true Work, etc. (Reread #22.) There is no other way to proceed than for God to remove leaders who have lulled with deceit many thousands who were blind (Rev. 3:17) to begin with.Oh sure there is.  God could have just had a few get back on track seminars with a nice lunch with all to see and hear and never doubt the source of these things.  Sadly, and of course as Bob Thiel would say..this is not how things get clarified.  In the whole scheme of the Universe, there never was a "powerful work."  I mean really, if one grain of sand held up at arms length covers 10,000+ galaxies made up of billions of stars each and planets to boot, "powerful" is too big a word for we bacteria on planet earth.  

24) World conditions cry out for a big Work NOW!!!—not one or more years from now.

I repeat: There are many more reasons for a 2013 fulfillment, with a few of a personal nature—Yeah...we keep waiting to hear those reasons and I hope they are better than these so far.  and others involving God moving miraculously to reveal crucial things at certain times within an extraordinarily complex prophecy that involves hundreds of verses.Your God isn't making this easy is he?  I have not included all of these reasons because others would likely not accept them as legitimate. There are reasons for that Dave. They are, however, on MY much longer list (now 56 total). I love that "MY" thing.  Please no more lists!  You're one under Ron Weinland's 57 truths!  Go for 70! And these reasons stand on bedrock in the eyes of ALL our Headquarters ministers.  Yeah..we talked about those guys and how they agree with everything you think, do and say. 

Again, some of these other reasons—VERY POWERFUL POINTS—can only be brought out when I go into other scriptures in the final two announcements (these are verses outside Haggai, not yet covered). Theologians call that proof texting. I will carefully denote these reasons when we come to them. There are at least seven or eight.  Come on...is it sever or eight?   Reminds me of a guy once who said "about 11 people were in attendance."  What?  Was the number too high to count to so he estimated?  Sheesh.  

Of course, none of these 21 "proofs" are proofs of anything.  These are merely speculations about hallucinations.  Dave has tied a very complicated knot that either the brain dead are hoping someone will untie and explain to and for them or just trust these things to be so and see what happens.  As we all know from history, all knots can be undone.  You don't have to untie it to figure out how it all went together.  Sometimes you just have to cut through it.  

David C Pack is not spoken of in the Minor Prophet Haggai.  The Restored Church of God is not where the lives of Herbert W Armstrong and David C Pack meet.  HWA was no real Zerubbabel in fact or prophecy and Dave Pack is no manifestation of any Joshua The High Priest.  IMHO or  you haven't kept up with the history of religious delusional thinking.  

This , "Oh look...there is me spoken of in the Bible," has never ended well for sincere or deluded humans who seek a hope and meaning in life but leave the details to others. .  Sometimes it's just KNOT safe to let one person lead you down his path of self and ego centric meaning.  Sometimes you just need a BS slicer. 

Contact Dennis at DennisCDiehl@aol.com

Is God Getting Ready To Resurrect The Two Witnesses?

Words fail me................from Yahoo

Portrait of the Two Witnesses

The Plain Truth is only seven

messengers are sent to God's Church

by Jesus Christ in Heaven.

Finds a thorough Revelation search.

The Two Witnesses are the last

two prophets and last two lampstands.

The sixth apostle now past,

no-one claims to be the seventh man.

No eighth apostle is prophesied.

With God all is possible please learn.

He can resurrect those who died

The 6th and 7th can return.

Like the dead saints rose in Christ's day,

to witness in Jerusalem,

To end the complete Falling Away,

God can restore their mortal limbs.

Rising to measure God's Temple

For their miraculous ministry

Resurrected they'll assemble

And witness from the Holy City.

Zerubbabel with Joshua

Whose repentant heart then turned

To his human and divine fathers;

Will garner the fruits their labors earned

The Endtime Elijah and son

1260 days of work begun

Laodiceans must their lesson learn

The hearts of Judah they'll also turn.

What greater hope could there be

For members who've lost their way

Than to see God's love and mercy

Forgive a contrite GTA?

The sixth apostle had a sign

He reached more nations and men

Than all Bible prophets combined

He must be one of the greatest then.

In Revelation chapter three

Christ evaluates this man A-plus

Thus all contrary views are just,

uninspired human theory.

A Johnny-come-to-late to be

The final Elijah could never

Restore all things in the soon to be

Greatest time of Trouble ever.

So when all this comes to pass

The doubters will know at last

A prophet was among them all along:

Apostle Herbert W. Armstrong.

---poem & digital art by Geoffrey R. Neilson---

Cape Town

3 July 2013

Davey Pack: They Continue to Ridicule ME(!) as MY god is Getting Ready to Traumatize the COG

Thin skinned Davey cannot figure out why no one is paying attention to him.  All he gets is ridicule and mocking.

The timing of this reunification is wonderful news for you, but terrible news for the leaders of the large organizations. They must continue attacking and lampooning these announcements. You may begin to see a new level of viciousness appear regarding the work of The Restored Church of God—or me.

Davey's god is ready to traumatize the COG as never before.  That impotent god has been doing that for the last 70 some years.  When will people wake up that that god is  impotent? If they really believed the new covenant they would be resting right now and not have to be worrying about some coming trauma.

Many reading the announcements are intrigued. Some are fascinated. Most are dismissive. The truth from the prophecy is that God is about to begin working with YOU. (But this includes those not even reading the announcements.) Although more explanation will appear in the remaining announcements, understand for now that God is going to have to traumatize His people with an event that will shock every last person in the splinters who has the Holy Spirit (and a great many who don’t). This will lead to God opening your eyes. It will take all of these actions for most to finally ACT. Whether you agree or disagree at this point is not relevant. What is important is that you know what is coming.

Dennis:  Davey's next letter is for you so he can bring you home to the truth once delivered.  You will soon be standing tall next to Davey in Wadsworth......all will be forgiven.

Probably only four postings remain. The next one speaks to the ministers (over 1,000) who never returned to God’s House—those who split up to enter the splinters, started their own or went home in confusion. This letter will at the same time correct, inspire and surprise you ministers. Ministers should want to tell others about it. Do not miss next week’s announcement!

Dave Pack: Is He Ready To Go To Extraordinary Means To Make His Prophecy Come True?

Davey seems to be setting himself up for abject failure this coming August 30. One has to wonder though if Davey is going to go to extraordinary means in order to make his prophecy come true.  Will his 16 men be agents to bring about August 30?  If I was a splinter group leader I would get out of Dodge on that day.  Who knows what some crazy RCG member might do!  There have been enough batshit crazy members over the decades that someone is likely to do something crazy!

Some summary review. Since the prophecy has been revealed, brethren have new knowledge. They know God disagrees with the remnant’s decision that it is not yet time to come together and build His House. With knowledge comes responsibility (Jms. 4:17; Heb. 10:26). Since God revealed the prophecy NOW, He clearly does NOT agree with the remnant NOW. If it were not to be fulfilled this year, He would essentially be agreeing with the very people He just commanded to change and come to work in His Temple. This would make revealing the meaning of Haggai pointless—because it would still not yet be time. Would God do this? No!

Dave Pack: 24 "proofs" Regarding August 30, 2013

Here is the list of 24 "proofs" that guarantees that Davey's August 30, 2013 prophecy is 100% true and will happen.  Tens of thousands of COG members will soon be streaming into Davey's cult compound in the must superfantabulous reunification EVER!

1) Understanding the meaning of the prophecy, starting with Haggai 1:2, automatically carries the requirement of taking a position on it. This cannot be avoided after one learns it. Think about this. The position of the remnant is that “the time is not come” to rebuild God’s House. Are they right or wrong? God indicts their thinking, meaning they are wrong! If the prophecy is not now, the net effect would be that God agrees with the remnant’s view. Worse, so should those currently in God’s one Church because they now know the meaning of the prophecy. Think this through. One does or does not agree with the remnant. God does not—and we do not. The time is now! Let’s go further.

Davey just set himself up for failure with hsi first "proof."  He acknowledges that the COG does not see the "time has come" for rebuilding anything. 

2) Directly related, why (or how) would God command the remnant to “Go…build the House!” (Hag. 1:8)—but not mean NOW? How could He mean some undetermined future year? Why would God tell them (twice) to “consider their ways”—but not mean that they should do this now? Try to imagine God saying, “Consider your ways, but take your time. There’s no hurry. In fact, take years to think it over—even though you have been out of My Church for 20 years! You don’t have to DO anything now.”

3) Also related, if God waited 2,500 years to reveal the prophecy’s meaning (3,000 years when various related much older Psalms are considered), is not His waiting done? Does His revealing it not signal that He has reached the time to fulfill it rather than having reached a point one, two or three years out?

Davey's god apparently is a tired worn out wuss after sitting in Wadsworth  close to 3,00 years waiting for Davey to get his act together.

4) Next, why would God wait longer? What would He wait for? The remnant is absolutely ripe for deliverance.

Ripe?

5) Internally, and this is no small thing, God’s Church is truly ready to expand the Work in a BIG WAY. The prophecy features this as the MAIN PURPOSE of the remnant returning! Without the prophecy’s fulfillment, this expansion would be delayed one year—or more! Why would God notify His Church of the prophecy’s existence at the very same time our staff is ready, our websites are ready, our literature is ready and even God’s college is ready for more students if the prophecy were not imminent? Why would God notify His Church if HE were not ready?

Davey has just written in his escape clause above.  If August 30 does not happen, it could be a year or more till things shape up again.  God has NEVER notify the RCG to get ready.  Davey's delusion mind heard the voices and appointed himself, just as Bob Thiel appointed himself as a leader.  Both are impotent little men trying so hard to be taken seriously by the COG and all that happen sis they both get laughed at.

6) Related to this, the buildings on our campus can very soon handle significantly more staff than we have now. This is already true without the other two buildings scheduled for completion in the late fall. However, this extra size works perfectly if the prophecy occurs this year.

7) Also related, but separate, our infrastructure is ready to receive and serve a much larger flock this fall! This includes field ministry being ready, but also other things.

8) Maturing interest from many in the world due to one year of explosive television expansion requires many more laborers in the ministry by this autumn.

Davey's EXPLOSIVE television coverage has soon to being in hundreds of thousands of faithful.  Never in the COG's history has television every brought in tens of thousands of followers.  It wont happen this time either. Davey will not be drawing in any of the public to his cult.  All he has been cable of drawing so far is less than 1,500 people who were already COG members.  His cult is comprised of nothing more than church jumpers.

9) The Restored Church of God is experiencing an AWESOME period of growth and development at this time—in the runup period just prior to the prophecy’s fulfillment. This is putting it mildly! To us, this is powerful indication that we are on the right track for this year—that God is not only pleased with His Church, but that He is helping it get ready.

10) If the prophecy did not happen this year, the remnant would remain another year (or more) undergoing ever worsening false ways. Worse off, they would have a commensurate shorter time to spiritually recover before the Tribulation. Think worse condition, less time to recover.

If Davey's prophecy does not come true COG members will have one  more year to suffer under the legalistic churches they are already in.  They will have one less year to recover from their sins before the tribulation happens.

11) If reunification occurred next year (or any year after), those with God’s Spirit would have one more year cut off from God’s Church. This carries the potential for more to quench the Holy Spirit (I Thes. 5:19) and lose salvation.

COG members will have one more year to be separated from Davey if his August 30 prophecy does not happen.

12) The readers of the Haggai prophecy announcements (this is #21) who believed them would be the most disillusioned and the biggest candidates to QUIT everything if God did not return His people to one House this year! This would work directly against what God is doing—directly opposite His overall purpose.

Davey says his god would be an utter failure if August 30 does not happen.  He knows he will loose those diehard members who believe everything he says.  They would then know Davey is a lair and leave him.

13) Further desolation (Hag. 1:11; 2:16-17) from God of the splinter “houses” would practically wipe out the few remaining senior leaders in them. This includes pastors and elders, all of whom are NEEDED TO CARRY OUT THE BIG WORK!

Davey's god is soon ready to wipe out the foundations of the numbers COG groups out there leaving their senior leaders high and dry (or dead.)  Davey wants those remaining ordained men know that he will have a place for them in his engorged, expanding and ready to explode cult (after a stint in the reduction camps of course.)

14) The onset of all future years would never come with clarity—with any certainty! Would God leave thousands who are now aware of this prophecy in such a condition? Hardly.

15) Next, for those who will see the value of how to pursue spiritual matters, there is this: After fervently seeking God about it, not one reason the prophecy is off this year ever emerged in the minds of even one of our 16 Headquarters ministers! I (we) have NEVER prayed about, studied over, meditated on, fasted about and counseled with other ministers regarding a subject more than this one—in fact no other subject is even close!

16 idiots have all agreed that Davey's prophecy will happen on August 30.  On September 1, 2013 what will these fools be thinning?

16) Similarly, as questions emerged throughout our pursuit of truth with the many details of the prophecy, so many of these details kept coming clear as direct answers to prayer. And these were often immediate.

17) Recall Haggai 1:13: “Then spoke Haggai the Lord’s messenger in the Lord’s message unto the people…” Haggai is the messenger to God’s people, with what is an all-important message from God. Would not God make clear in such a unique message He describes as “the Lord’s message unto His people” the correct date for action? What kind of message would it be if people did not know WHEN TO CARRY IT OUT?

18) Since the apostasy, God had not wanted the remnant back in His Church, but now He does. He would first reveal the remnant to His leader, then tell him how they would return, and finally that He meant NOW. This was the order in which these things became apparent.

Davey's god apparently was sooooooooooooooooo pissed at COG members that he spewed them out for over 25 years til this time.  Now he wants them back

19) Imagine God not revealing the year the remnant is coming—but only the day and month. Vast amounts of time would have been wasted by His leaders studying and preparing for something that was not imminent. Would God put His Church in such a position?

20) Of interest, God revealed to me during ELUL four years ago my role as the modern Joshua.

21) Also of interest, I and The Restored Church of God learned about the New Testament remnant last ELUL (August). Let’s ask: Would timing of when we were shown the prophecy not be tied to its unique timing of fulfillment during the very next available ELUL?

22) We might ask: does the DEVIL know the prophecy is on? For those who understand how the devil works—that he counterfeits EVERYTHING God does—a variety of counterfeit theories have recently appeared about how God is going to reunite His people. Should not the devil be expected to do this at the time it would cause the most confusion? You will soon see that most of these theories are coming from men standing on the wrong side of this prophecy.

Satan is already pissed at Davey's prophecy and is coming up with alternatives to August 30.  Satan is working with the leaders of various splinter groups to encourage members to not listen to Davey.

23) With God’s people split up, it is now almost impossible to do a powerful Work. (This might be the one area where the splinter leaders would agree.) God’s Church is largely stymied in working with both brethren and the world because of the confusion and deception from top leaders about where God’s Church is, who has the truth, who is carrying on after Mr. Armstrong, who is doing the true Work, etc. (Reread #22.) There is no other way to proceed than for God to remove leaders who have lulled with deceit many thousands who were blind (Rev. 3:17) to begin with.

Davey's god sees no other way of accomplishing the august 30 prophecy than killing several of the COG leadership.

24) World conditions cry out for a big Work NOW!!!—not one or more years from now.

They world is NOT crying for anything Davey has to offer.  If they are crying it is over the sheer stupidity they see being promoted that a few messed up people will take as truth.  The  world does not want to see more people ruined by another dangerous cult and that is exactly what will happen.

I repeat: There are many more reasons for a 2013 fulfillment, with a few of a personal nature—and others involving God moving miraculously to reveal crucial things at certain times within an extraordinarily complex prophecy that involves hundreds of verses. I have not included all of these reasons because others would likely not accept them as legitimate. They are, however, on MY much longer list (now 56 total). And these reasons stand on bedrock in the eyes of ALL our Headquarters ministers.

32 more "proofs"????????????????  How crazy is this guy!   Another article all about himself and nothing about Jesus Christ.

Dave Pack: God's Most AWESOOOOOOME Prophet Say There Are Over 30 Reasons Why August 30 Will Happen But Most Are Too Stupid To Understand Them

Here we go again, yet more dumbass points given as proof that three COG leaders will die this August and all of their members will be unified under Davey.  Why do  COG leaders have to incessantly have long lists of "proofs" to legitimize their stupidity?  All it does is provide fodder for people to easily disprove their rantings as lies.

Now comes a series of reasons Haggai’s prophecy will be fulfilled this year. They are summarized, with only a very little detail added. More could be said of each, but the descriptions given will suffice to those willing to think just a little about them. Realize there are over 30 more reasons—many of them very powerful—that I have left off the list because some will be covered later or because they would only be recognized as proofs by our Headquarters ministry (involving various miracles, some big). Readers would be largely unable to appreciate them as proofs:

Remember brethren, you are tooooooooooooooooooo stupid to recognize "truths" and only those ordained have the mental capacity to see them as true.

I have to wonder what goes through the minds of these ass kissing emasculated "men" in Wadsworth as they sit around the table drawing up plans for the reunification this fall.  Is there at least one man in that group that thinks in the back of his mind that Dave is crazier than shit or are they too concerned about their paycheck and sit there bobbing their heads up and down in agreement.

Davey Pack Declares He Is Ready To Give Absolution To Wayward COG Members When They Return To His "True" Fold

Davey has it in for the men in charge of the various splinter groups.  While it may revolve around what some of  them teach, it runs far deeper.  Davey is still incensed that church members are giving their money to these groups.  He hates that with a passion.  Every single letter he writes has to have this pointing it.  that money belongs to Davey and he cannot understand why no one else in the various COG's understand that.

On top of all this, brethren foolishly sent tithes to God’s enemies who were teaching them “damnable heresies.” The men leading PCG, LCG, UCG and COGwa are God’s ENEMIES! (You have actually read this in these announcements from Mr. Armstrong’s own pen.) God’s people assumed they were following faithful leaders when these men were in fact “evil men and seducers” who were growing “worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived” (II Tim. 3:13). Also weak and confused themselves, many ministers have been participants with false leaders over the groups. God must deal with these leaders—and you will see in a few weeks how prophecy reveals He will! For now, you at least know how soon this will happen.

Davey's god is so pissed off with the COG's that he has deliberately left them in a state of turmoil.  No one in the splinter groups has listened to Davey or his god.  That has ticked Davey off big time.

Davey's god though is ready to bring back the wayward apostates in the COG's into the loving arms of St Dave who will forgive them of the adultery, lying, stealing and Sabbath breaking they are all guilty of.

God left His people in this terrible condition so they would “learn from affliction” (Psa. 119:67, 71). Much like the prodigal son, who blew everything before he woke up, God’s people had to learn bitter lessons and repent from their wrong conduct and false beliefs. They had to “consider their ways.” Only then could they return to God’s Church. (I have written an entire announcement outlining the meaning of “consider your ways,” along with how to do it.) God has been trying to get the attention of brethren in the splinters about their condition by sending desolation upon them. It has not worked, and Haggai shows that God knew it would not. Although He has not yet been working with large numbers in these “houses” of men, He soon will through His Spirit. As a loving shepherd, God will regather the non-resistant part of His flock back to His Church, REINSTATING THEM, just as any good local pastor would do with one who was disfellowshipped for adultery, lying, stealing tithes, Sabbath breaking, etc.

Davey Pack: Jesus Was Kicked Out of the Church in 1992

“This people” (recall Hag. 1:2) assumed they were spiritually “okay” after leaving the WCG. They thought they had “done the right thing.” But they were not okay. Therefore, God allowed them to go on to follow rebellious leaders not chosen by Him. This happened because they were not close to God as they should have been. As I have explained many times before, when Jesus Christ was put out of the Church in late 1992 (through the God Is…booklet), most brethren did not recognize what had happened—they did not seem to miss the true God! Of course, they went on to reject God’s government and many of His truths, falling into a variety of false doctrines (more all the time) and deplorable spiritual behavior. These people (brethren) also assumed they were doing God’s Work as Mr. Armstrong taught—many also thinking they were following God’s government—all believed they were standing for the truth—all believed they were still in God’s Church! But they found themselves in many groups, and chose to conclude that God’s Church now consists of multiple organizations.

Joshua Davey fails to realize that he is just another in the 700+ splinter groups to form. He is exactly like those he condemns.

Balaam's Ass Davey Pack Says God Has Already Disfellowshipped You

If you are a Christian and have any inkling about New Covenant theology you would know that people have not been "disfellowshipped" from God.  Instead it is a story of reconciliation, mercy and grace.  Apostate pasturds like Pack, Flurry and Armstrong deny that understanding and focus instead on an angry vengeful god who is really, really pissed.  Balaam Davey invalidates the reason for the resurrection when he teaches this crap.

A final point before looking at reasons the prophecy is “on” for August 2013. As was mentioned in last Friday’s announcement, God has actually disfellowshipped His people—putting them out of the Church—“delivering them unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh that their spirit might be saved” at Christ’s Return (I Cor. 5:5). Also read I Timothy 1:20. That God disfellowships people, usually through His ministers, should surprise no converted person.

God knew that the apostasy would spawn many thousands of people who would leave His destroyed corporate Church and enter multiple competing splinter groups. Since the falling away, these thousands have simply not been ready to return to His Church. This is because of their conduct. God has not been pleased with them—their doctrines, traditions, standards and behavior.

Balaam's Ass Davey Pack Says God Planned For Him To Discover This New Truth 3,000 Years Ago

COG cult leaders witnesses this man lie and be proven wrong,

yet they keep on making stupid predictions and prophecies.  Liars all!

According to Balaam Davey it was all God's master plan for him to find this special hidden knowledge about August 30.

Upon hearing of the timing of Haggai’s prophecy, some have claimed that I am setting dates. I am not—far from it. Knowing the year of this prophecy is in no way comparable to declaring the date of Christ’s Return, which is not revealed in the Bible. In fact, Christ specifically warns not to set a date for His Return since “no man knows the day or the hour” (Matt. 24:36). I have no authority to set dates. The Haggai prophecy came with one ON ITS FACE because of the element of timing directly related to the remnant believing that it was NOT yet time to build God’s House. When properly understood (because of actions the remnant are told to take), the prophecy would have to include when—in this case involving a particular time and year—to take these actions.

The dates revealed in Haggai have nothing whatsoever to do with any decision that I made. God decided that this prophecy would be fulfilled after planning it over 3,000 years ago (it is referenced in several Psalms). I am not so arrogant as to decide what God must do and when. I repeat again, these events in NO WAY parallel the Return of Jesus Christ. This prophecy is directly tied to a date. You should be able to clearly see this. The reader will see in subsequent parts of the last of these Friday announcements that there is more information than I can share in one announcement. It must appear in its own context in the next few weeks. Once you see the evidence laid out, you will understand the last statement.

There you have it. As long as Balaam Davey does not predict the date of the return of Jesus it is OK for him to give specific dates for other prophecies.  I mean, come on!  Really?  

Don't worry though, Balaam Davey is going to tell us how it is over the next weeks of weeks, which is also an indication that he lied to us all earlier in a previous letter when he said he only had two to three more letters to write concerning this reunification.  Now it is spread out over the next few weeks.

Balaam the Ass (aka Joshua Pack) Says He Possesses the Hidden Code to Understand Scripture

All of you COG brethren out there are far toooooooooooooooooooooooooo stupid to have ever thought of this amazing "truth" Balaam Davey has dreamed up.  Like the Gnostic's who claimed to have hidden truths, Balaam Davey also has hidden truth that no a single person in the history of creation has ever understood till Balaam Davey had a brain fart in Wadsworth.

Let’s recall again. Previous announcements explained why Haggai 1:15 describes this event as happening “in the second year of Darius the king.” For those who believe this date pertains to the Persian King Darius (who lived over 2,500 years ago), remember that the modern Zerubbabel is also described as the “son of Shealtiel” and Joshua as the “son of Josedech.” Let’s reason together. The modern types of these two men are obviously NOT sons of these two fathers of long ago. The Bible is obviously speaking in code about what are two modern leaders. Mr. Armstrong knew the ancient Zerubbabel having been born to a man named Shealtiel had nothing to do with his prophetic fulfillment of this role. The same would be true of the modern Joshua regarding the irrelevancy of the ancient figure Josedech.

Similarly, the description of the YEAR of fulfillment must also be in code. Now think. If God specified in advance the exact year, the entire world would know when the prophecy would be fulfilled! See this! Now let’s think again. God does not name in the Bible (or need to) the modern Elijah of Malachi 4:5-6 and Matthew 17:11 because His Spirit will guide those who are looking to Him to see who fulfilled this role. Fruits, as well as who fit the profile, eventually revealed the man’s identity—Herbert W. Armstrong. For that matter, the same applied to Zerubbabel. The same principle would apply to the identity of the Beast and False Prophet, whom God would never name in advance—or the Two Witnesses, among others. But eventually God’s people WOULD know who these people are. Back to Haggai. First, to believe the prophecy is fulfilled during the reign of Darius would mean Haggai is an historical account, and not PROPHETIC. The first thing the thoughtful reader understands is that this prophecy has nothing to do with any year in the reign of a king that lived over 2,500 years ago! So the fulfillment comes in a year that can be known in OTHER WAYS. Thus, the day and month are seen to be easier to know than which YEAR it will happen.

Wadsworth's Balaam the Ass Says the COG's Will Be Reunited On August 30

BALAAM

And His Talking Donkey

Balaam stands in infamy as the paragon of apostasy.  His worldly lusts lured him into the power of Baal and brought upon him the ultimate symbol of pastoral asininity, a reprimand from his donkey.  Through his counseling Israel fell for the bait of Baal, the alluring Midianite women, and brought upon the Client Nation a national curse.

Davey Joshua Balaam Pack writes

Recall that Haggai 1:14-15 states that “all the remnant of the people…came and did work in the House of the Lord of Hosts, their God, in the four and twentieth day of the sixth month, in the second year of Darius the king.” Elul is the sixth month in God’s sacred calendar. It is August 30 this year in the Roman calendar. Also notice that this date in Haggai does not reflect the pattern of the other three dates mentioned in that short book, dates that Haggai received a message from God. Rather, it describes an action that occurred on a particular date. And this particular date is consistent with people being reunited by the Feast of Tabernacles. (It is also consistent with other scriptures describing things GOD is going to do in a particular month, which you will learn more about in three and four weeks when these postings are projected to end.)

Since the Feast of Tabernacles is NOT a required convocation for Christians what is Balaam's point?

Thankfully I can predict with 100% accuracy that August 30 will come and go with no major COG event happening.  We can be guaranteed Balaam Davey will make some asinine announcement that God has delayed his timing, but other than that Balaam Davey will be exposed as a liar.

Dave Pack: He's Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack! Installment 21

We are in for another weekly treat from Davey Pack, the worlds most important man to ever have walked the earth since Jesus Christ was here, who runs the worlds most superfantabulous church, and who has taken on the mantle of apostle, Elijah, Joshua, Jesus, and Aunt Jemimah.  The world is in such a better place since Davey was conceived by immaculate conception decades ago.  No man more perfect has ever walked the earth since sinless Jesus Christ.  Sinless and without guile, not a filthy rag anywhere on the dude.

Dave writes about the miraculous event to happen this August when his puny, impotent, pissy god kills off three Church of God leaders so that all of their members will join Davey's cult.

He writes:

"...all brethren will be reunited this summer, in time to attend the Feast of Tabernacles together in 2013."

Of course for this to happen any worthwhile COG leader must have countless bullet points on why it is to happen or things members need to believe.  Weinerdude Weinland has 57 points necessary for salvation.  Davey has 24 points necessary to understand his asinine reasoning.

This announcement presents 24 reasons for this timing. There is much proof! 

Any truly educated and well trained speaker knows that for an effective speech to have meaning for the audience it should have no more than 5 points.

• Limit number to two or three for short speech, not more than five for long speech.  Organizing Your Speech 

Does any COG leader ever follow that standard?  Not on your life!  All of us have heard COG sermons with the minister giving countless points to get a message across in an hour to hour and half sermon?  An effective speaker can get their point across in 20-30 minutes instead of the mind numbingly boring drivel they dish out over the next 90 minutes.  

Who wants to sit there through 24 - 57 f-ing points?

Oh, and you can't even understand the points till you understand the hidden code which only the fearless leader has knowledge of.

Preparation for understanding them begins with understanding of the day and the month of the prophecy’s fulfillment. Grasping how these dates appear in code paves the way to seeing how God has hidden the year until the time of fulfillment, when He would have to reveal it in advance. And He must do this in a way that is clear and certain to His people who are preparing for it.

The only code Jesus ever came with is,  love your God and love your neighbor.  2 small itty-bitty points that carry far more weight that some jackass in Wadsworth bellowing out 24 points that can only be understood once you understand the code first.

Dave Pack Is Still Pissed That COG Members Give Their Tithe Money To Everyone But Him

Dave Pack has a long reputation of being focused upon Money.  Money makes his world go around.  God and Jesus, do not figure into the picture.  Sure he pay slip service to his god and even mentions Jesus Christ - occasionally, but MONEY occupies his mind and almost all articles, booklets and web postings.

Having absorbed dozens of false doctrines and ideas to which they had grown accustomed, these ministers left at the last possible moment, when they saw the sheep leaving without them. They saw themselves about to permanently lose their paychecks if they did not immediately follow thousands of tithepayers out of the WCG. But, not wanting to appear to be followers—and horrified that many who were leaving were either joining or contemplating joining one of the two large, established, slightly more doctrinally conservative splinters of the time—they quickly jumped in front of the departing flock, claiming to be their leaders.

However sincere these men may be—then or now—recognize that they have a long history of PROFOUND BLINDNESS—and WEAKNESS! They have proven that they will not give up their power, authority and influence. They will not stand firm and teach strongly against the pulls of the world. And of course they spin stories about me to frighten as many brethren as possible into remaining frozen where they sit—because this keeps the tithes rolling in. It keeps what could be called a deception for the ages continuing—the receipt of hundreds of millions of dollars (perhaps about $1.25 billion) that belong to God and not these terribly COMPROMISED MEN.

Dave is not concerned about the money he collects goes to his god, instead, Dave uses it for his own purposes.

Ron Weinland: You Members Are Too Stupid To Prove Anything Or Discover Truth On Your Own

Last week Weinerdude admits that his god did not inspire him to write anything to the members of his cult.  Today he is back with a letter to the sheeple that believe they need to follow Weinerdude's 57 "truths" in order to gain salvation.  In order to do that though, they are not to "prove" the 57 truths are correct but are to accept them as fact and to put them into practices as if they already are.  The membership are not to waste their time studying, proving, examining, or questioning the "truths."  Since Weinerdude's god reveled these "truths" they are deemed "true" already.  Because government is from the top down, "knowledge" comes from the top and you are not to question it.

Within the Body of Christ, truth is not revealed to individual members through personal study, insight, and/or intellect, no matter how much one might try to prove something true or false through their own ability. Such an idea, concept, or teaching is totally contrary to the truth of God, the working of His ministry, and the structure God has created within His Church – government.

What Paul was saying was that people are to prove – to establish the validity of God’s truths and ways – by putting them to work through living and exercising them in their life and thereby approving them as the only true way of life to live. When he says to “prove all things,” he is only speaking of “all” things that are given from God and not of living and trying all things that are possible in human life.

When a person seeks to "prove" something is true or false they become agents of Satan:

The twist that some have placed on the word “prove” is indeed sly, deceptive, insidious, and totally false. It is highly dangerous spiritually because of what such a concept actually teaches. It teaches that individuals have the ability within them to discern, judge, examine, and decide for themselves what is true and what is false. If that were true, we would not need God’s spirit to lead us into all truth. No one has such ability apart from God to discern or know such things. Such must be revealed spiritually to us by God. That is how God works in us to give us His truths. The idea that individuals have the ability within themselves to discern or learn what is true, apart from God revealing it, is the same lie Satan foisted upon the first two human beings. Satan seeks to sneak that false concept into the lives of all with whom God calls and works with. That is how he led a third of the angelic realm to follow him.

It is simply a lie to believe that anyone can come to the knowledge of the truth – of what is right or wrong – by human reasoning, intellect, study, or by any other human means. Nor can one “go back” and re-prove truth through their own intellect, reasoning, or study. They cannot re-prove what they never proved as true anyway. It was given directly from God and only received as a matter of faith.

All truth comes through Weinerdude or maybe Mrs. Weinerdude, on a good day.

That is the way God reveals all truth to us. It begins to be revealed to us from the beginning of our calling, and then God’s spirit continues to reveal more and more to us in order for us to continue building on what has been given before. So how does God reveal His truth and true ways of life to people? Is it done by personal revelation that is “directly” from God and straight to an individual? No, not unless one is a prophet or apostle. That is simply how God has structured His Church and how it is to function. It is how God works.

When a person starts to study, do research, or examine Weinerdude's utterances, they are essentially turning themselves over to Satan.  Once hey are in Satan's grasp their lives become more comfortable and peaceful.  Only the true believers live lives of turmoil and upheaval. Those that have left Weinerdude's cult are not living lives of comfort now that they have repudiated Weinerdude.

When someone begins to believe the lie that they can reason and study to know God’s truth then they quickly begin to lose what God freely gave them, since it is God who not only gives His truth to us, but it is God who sustains it in us through His spirit dwelling in us. Truly, the bottom line is a matter of knowing where God’s true Church is, and only God can reveal that single spiritual body to someone. That Church is the only means that God has given that enables spiritual growth through sermons, other recorded truth, and written material God and Christ inspire to be given to His people through His ministry. Without that direct source that God works through His Church and His ministry, one will begin to starve spiritually from lack of food that comes only in this manner.

Indeed, how quickly individuals can lose what God freely gave them once they choose to believe any lie and separate themselves from God’s Church. Individuals can and have gone quickly back to believing that the rock (Petra, Selah) is about a physical place of safety (protection) in Jordan, instead of God being our Rock of safety. Individuals have returned to believing that there are two eternally existing Gods, as they actually return to embrace a strong portion of the Catholic doctrine of the Trinity. And on and on it goes. Such is Satan’s pleasure. He and the demonic world cease to attack them, but instead make their life more comfortable in this physical world to which they have returned. Such individuals are no longer engaged in a spiritual battle to hold fast to what God had given them.

It is for such reasons that we should study the truths God has given us so that we can remain sharpened and strong in God’s word. This is simply a part of holding fast to what God has given already and not letting it slip away, but remembering it and thereby being more readily able to build upon it as God continues to freely give us more. We should seek to remember and hold fast to what we are given. That does indeed mean we are to “go back” and be reminded and strengthened in what God has given us. That is the correct context we should use if ever speaking of “going back,” but never in the context of proving things to ourselves apart from what God has given – 57 Truths!

Dating Online With The Philadelphia Church of God

Everyone knows that Philadelphia Church of God teens and young adults have slim pickings when it comes to dating or finding a partner.  Since Gerald has laid down such restrictive deviate laws regarding who church members can fellowship with finding good dates is hard.

The church now is giving guidelines on how to date online:

Singles, you are hereby challenged to use these tools to inject life into your dating! Here are some ideas we have accumulated to help you be creative with your online dating. Feel free to add more ideas in the comments below.

• On video chat, you could have a meal together. –Joel Hilliker

• Cook a new recipe together. –Brenda

• Everyone loves food. Share recipes. It crosses cultural lines as well. –Theodore

• Each read a book beforehand and talk about it online. –Mr. Hilliker

• Go through the articles or videos on the Trumpet.com (since you’re online anyway) and discuss them. After some discussion, post your thoughts online or even continue the discussion in our comments section. It is like hitting two birds in one stone—a date activity and more social media points for theTrumpet. –Reniel

• Play a game of chess. –Mr. Hilliker

• You could play online board games together, like chess or checkers. –Jordanya

• You could do Scattergories; you could easily do that on both sides: have a timer going and then exchange answers. You could play Pictionary or something if you had a group date. That would be pretty easy because you could just show your picture to the camera. –Danielle

• A game I would always play with my nieces and nephews: One person draws something, just a quick line or something, and then the other person draws another one and eventually you complete a picture of some kind. It’s very funny sometimes to see what actually turns out. –David

• Could you make an online date that was built around serving? That’s a good challenge. –Mr. Hilliker

• Call a senior together. –Jordanya

• You could always have a group chat, with video as well. So it’s not just two people, but you have a group as well. –Gabrielle

• Try speaking in a foreign language. –Albert

• Try to FaceTime at tourist attraction. –George

• Share photographs. –Tim

• You could share funny family pictures with each other. –Grant

• Go online on your smartphone and take a walk. It would be a nice way to introduce your country/region to your date.

• Post pictures of points of interest where you live, then talk about them. –Theodore

PCG just sounds like the most exciting Church of God ever!  Its no wonder Davey Pack feels like such a fool all the time.
At least they did not tell them to dress in Sabbath wear to chat.