Saturday, July 13, 2024

Dave Pack: You have to take ownership. It's deeply foolish and faithless to say, “Mr. Pack said.”

Mr. Pack Said

While pontificating his expert opinions during “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 523)” on July 6, 2024, David C. Pack admonished the brethren of The Restored Church of God not to hide behind the phrase, “Mr. Pack said.”

Part 523 – July 6, 2024
@ 37:52 You, you have to take ownership of these verses. We're in this together. Don't you dare let yourself, and then boy, if you believe this way, don't you dare let me hear it. “Mr. Pack said.”

@ 39:08 It's deeply foolish and faithless to say, “Mr. Pack said.”

The people who believe what he says are worse off than those who hide behind his foolish malarkey.

I was baptized in the United Church of God in September 2009. By that time, I had already begun my personal tradition of reading the Bible cover to cover. A singular verse became the stone foundation of my Christian walk because it embodied everything else I learned.

1 Thessalonians 5:21
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

When Headquarters’ token stooge and theological sycophant Edward L. Winkfield preached that this was ONLY for people before they joined RCG and, then ONLY for the ministry afterward, I bolted up in my seat. Stepford Prime became a non-critical thinking David C. Pack fawner regurgitating whatever prophetic idiocy his human idol presumed at the moment.

The guiding principle of 1 Thessalonians 5:21 compelled my resignation from The Restored Church of God in March 2021 and became the genesis of

The entire website germinated from a seed concept: document what Mr. Pack said. Through my own personal documentation, I sought to discern if I was deceiving myself, being tempted by the devil, or if David C. Pack was an arrogant, hypocritical, blaspheming liar teaching biblical fraud. The factual evidence was overwhelming.

The Pastor General of The Restored Church of God tells you everything you need to hear to discern if he speaks the truth or not. When a clear, honest mind commits to proving all things, what Mr. Pack said becomes of paramount importance.


According to David C. Pack in Part 523, the Bible proved that Jesus Christ would bring the 7-Year Kingdom of God on Tammuz 5 (July 11), and it was up to the brethren to see it the way he does. Unless God tricked them again.

He proved it so convincingly he abandoned his own conclusions the next day, leaving Salasi Jezhi and Jaco Viljoen to flip a coin to see who had to send out the anonymous Church Administration concession email. They both have little white flags tucked in their desk drawers.

Sunday’s email on July 7 noted, “Following yesterday's Bible study more knowledge has been gained requiring further explanation.

Monday’s email on July 8 embraced doctrinal surrender, “For several reasons, it is better for Mr. Pack to speak on Thursday. This alone means we are not looking for this Wednesday.

Hindsight is 20/20. Knowing he fled from everything he said the next day makes watching his proud mannerisms and cocky tones laughable.

@ 12:12 I’ve been suspicious of the fifth [of Tammuz], but how could I absolutely prove it?

The haughty private interpretations of David C. Pack did not absolutely prove anything.

@ 30:10 I'm gonna show you something else that drives home the fifth [of Tammuz].

A chronic mental illness epidemic recirculates at The Restored Church of God Headquarters. Patient Zero David C. Pack in the Third Floor Executive Imaginarium spreads his infectious biblical disease throughout the organization.

I remember learning about "the sin of omission, rather than commission," while attending RCG.

If anyone cowers behind what Mr. Pack said, it is the Headquarters hirelings Bradford Schleifer, Ryan Denee, Edward Winkfield, Jaco Viljoen, Carl Houk, Salasi Jezhi, Frank Lydick, James HabboushAndrew Holcombe, and “the rest” who fool themselves into thinking they protect the sheep when they are ones helping slaughter them by their inaction.

David C. Pack never fears crediting God for his false doctrines when his pattern is to deny them quickly after much suspicion and discomfort.

@ 30:24 And if you knew when God's two years were, and you had Tammuz 5 in mind, by the time you got to Habakkuk, you would be ready for God throwing the overhand right and the left hook to finish the knockout, proving the fifth of the month.

According to Monday’s CAD email, God did not throw anything: “This alone means we are not looking for this Wednesday.

34:24 I can't come and tell you it's the fifth [of Tammuz], but it's some other moed when God has gone way out of his way to point to this day.

David C. Pack can and will tell us it is some other moed as noted in Monday’s CAD email: “…you may be able to determine the date if you take a moment to think about it …and you will probably figure out exactly what day this is!

That email renders the following statements Mr. Pack said utterly impotent.

@ 34:32 In fact, if it weren't this year on the fifth [of Tammuz], I will tell you, there is no chance for the sixth or after based on what I know. We're gonna wait a year to this exact same day. I'm so certain of it now.

This moment captures David C. Pack basking in his certainty during Part 523.

I guarantee you, none of the men sitting with him on Sunday saw him reclining like that.

Dave should have stuck to his “tiptoe just right” approach so he would not have to eat more of his words in 3…2…1…

@ 35:07 But I will tell you, I will tell you, I will not say to you it's any day beyond the fifth. If it does not happen on the fifth, buckle up. I'll tell you, buckle your seatbelt 'cause we're gonna wait till the exact same day, and God just teased us with the correct day…

Wow. God just teased the members of The Restored Church of God? Yep. That is what Mr. Pack said.


Despite what Mr. Pack said next, no divine interventions were causing his change of mind.

@ 41:11 And I can't imagine, short of Gabriel telling me, “No, it is the fast day and the fifth was close.” I can’t imagine coming back and giving you a different date.

He imagined it just fine the next day.

@ 41:26 What other date or moed could I tell the house?

Whatever date the vague email referred to: will probably figure out exactly what day this is!” Part 524 was delayed from Tuesday to Thursday to today. Do not hold your breath that the same date survived each postponement.

@ 41:35 And interesting, I’m told I’ll be found so doing. Well, I’ll be found at the office working. [chuckles] That’s where I’ll be on Wednesday.

On Wednesday, David C. Pack pined away in the Third Floor Executive Imaginarium with Coffee Kid and Pepper Boy, conjuring the next biblical illusion that was not ready for prime time until today when Part 524 will better utilize 25,000 hours of expert Bible study proven to be so fruitful thus far.

Will Part 524 contain Tippy-Toe Dave or Brazen Certainty Dave? Whichever version of him sits at the table in the Main Hall, we will be atwitter when it leaks out whatever Mr. Pack said.


Enjoy this bonus sampling of what Mr. Pack said.

“It’s a cowardly act to say, ‘Well, Mr. Pack says.’
Well then, you don’t believe it. You got a faith problem.”
Part 231 – January 21, 2020

“On God’s Authority, I am right!”
Part 221 – December 7, 2019

“And God allowed certain errors to see who didn’t care about truth.”
Part 172 – April 27, 2019

“So, would it be strange that I would not know when I became a prophet?”
Part 375 – June 12, 2022

“If you nail that day down, it strikes me as particularly arrogant.”
Part 459 – July 15, 2023

“I’m just gonna tell you absolutely on God’s authority …I will stand on this date:
The Kingdom of God comes Abib 1.”
Part 487 – December 23, 2023

“There’s no way we’ve got this wrong.”
Part 429 – March 15, 2023

“But, of course, all of this crashes if Christ does not come this Friday.”
Part 285 – February 1, 2021

“I could never come back to another date.”
Part 460 – July 22, 2023

“I believe absolutely this Wednesday night you will meet Moses and Elijah.”
Part 381 – July 9, 2022

“It’s the single most important message probably ever delivered on Earth.”
Part 275 – December 26, 2019

“…unless God violates His word, two more weeks aren’t possible.”
Part 455 – June 21, 2023

“10-1-7-1000 is immutable. I will die on that hill. That’s the hill I die on.”
Part 447 – June 6, 2023

“So, I know I don’t die. A couple places say that.”
Part 510 – April 27, 2024

“I’ll never ever, ever again say the day.”
Part 172 – April 27, 2019

Brethren of The Restored Church of God, please pay attention to what Mr. Pack said.

Marc Cebrian

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Friday, July 12, 2024

A Sad Example Of What Obsessive Armstrongism Does To A Person


We have featured on here numerous posts about the Kitchen family over the years. The devotion or obsession with all things Herbert Armstrong is over the top and it weighs heavily on the remaining family members.

YouTube recently shut down Samuel Kitchen's video channel where he featured HWA's sermons. From reading his posts it seems as if a former member of the WCG also has claimed ownership of the WCG name and videos and filed a claim with YOutube against Samuel's site. It is a convoluted mess.

Tonight, Samuel made a rather discouraging post on his Facebook page. It shows exactly what happens to a mind obsessed with the church and Armstrong. It is unhinged and unbalanced. I seriously have concerns for the guy.

This is what he posted:

I've been feeling lately like a man facing extermination. Not only with regards to my physical family line, but also with my spiritual family as well.
Seeing how far people will go, to put to death this Worldwide Church of God, well it saddens me and angers me.
I've seen how far people will go to put to death members of my own personal family. It's pretty far.
So when I wrestle with these things, I realize a fear of the unknown is so worthless. What will happen will happen. It's in God's control.
If extermination is my written end, I want my days to be filled with making sure it doesn't happen to someone else.
In God's Word, we have a promise that the Church of God Jesus started won't be exterminated. I have hope in that promise.
The Worldwide Church of God is not something a man started. It isn't subject to extermination when people get tired of it, like some child with a toy. God doesn't trash it.
Satan the Devil has thought that limiting the numbers of the membership of the Worldwide Church of God, will suffice in exterminating it.
He thought that by vacating the ministry, and luring them over into other groups, would allow for the extermination of the Worldwide Church of God.
What a worthless work. All in vain. He won't succeed.
Now whenever someone speaks up, they are persecuted and bullied. Perhaps their family line gets exterminated as well?
But I ask the question....what if the one you keep trying to kill, gets up and keeps coming?
You can read about the prophecies of the two witnesses, the world will face this sort of spectacle. To try to kill again and again, people who just won't die! When the two witnesses shall die, the world rejoices! They were waiting for the day!
I think all of God's people have been at one time or another, someone who couldn't be exterminated.
Looking at my father's life, I know some have to be bald from pulling their own hair out over my dad not dying when they thought he would!
God protects His people and delivers them.
So why fear what men can do?
I only fear of being negligent of fighting for others who do not know yet what is being done.
The Worldwide Church of God continues to exist. Bullies do not. Satan is going to be chained soon. So let us rejoice to be found on the opposite side of the Devil!
Let our name burn his ears!

Thursday, July 11, 2024

Dave Pack: Bible Expert Proven Wrong Since 2013™


Expert Opinions

Today is Tammuz 5 on the Hebrew calendar. It started at 12:47 PM ET yesterday as sunset arrived in Jerusalem, Israel. Tammuz 5 will officially end in Wadsworth, Ohio, at 8:59 PM tonight.

During “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 523)” on July 6, 2024, the brethren of The Restored Church of God humored their Pastor General by allowing him to waste another 55 minutes of their lives proving from the Bible that Jesus Christ would begin the 7-Year Kingdom of God on Tammuz 5.

David C. Pack spends more time crafting and compiling his notes than he does believing them. Before laying his head on his pillow Sunday night, he had already discarded everything he taught about Tammuz 5 for the past two weeks.

These two brief emails are a fantastic introduction to what was taught during Part 523 only hours before.


Sunday, July 7, 2024
Subject: Upcoming Live Stream Message – Early This Week

Dear brethren,

Warm greetings from Headquarters!

Following yesterday's Bible study more knowledge has been gained requiring further explanation.

These will be detailed further in an upcoming message, likely Monday or Tuesday.

Look out for additional communication.

Warm regards, 
Church Administration

It gets even better the next day.

Monday, July 8, 2024
Subject: Upcoming Live Stream Message – Thursday, July 11

Greetings again brethren, 

For several reasons, it is better for Mr. Pack to speak on Thursday. This alone means we are not looking for this Wednesday.

However, he wanted to pass on that many of you may be able to determine the date if you take a moment to think about it and don't jump to any quick conclusions. Think back, starting about a month ago, and you will probably figure out exactly what day this is!

Warm regards,
Church Administration

Within 24 hours of David C. Pack dismounting from his high horse in the Main Hall, he abandoned his own prophetic theories that he had spent weeks conjuring. Knowing this makes all his brazen chest puffing during Part 523 even more hilarious.

RCG’s unwanted external publicity machine must be impactful because this email reeks of Dave’s signature Tiptoe Just Right preaching style by whispering coded hints and gesturing vaguely. By avoiding direct statements, Church Administration was willing to play Bible Prophecy Charades with the brethren because boldness is for the righteous, not the enablers at The Restored Church of God.

Pastor General David C. Pack:
So confident about what he teaches.
Until he isn’t.

No wonder Dave never made it as a competitive athlete. The guy never learned how to cross a finish line.


David C. Pack is a hypocritical blasphemer who lies so often that he cannot remember them all. He wants the brethren to believe God guides him, but he also wants to take credit for figuring out a new secret.

Part 523 – July 6, 2024
@ 18:15 And that season means now. But they're called a season. And none of them have anything remotely to do with a Sabbath, Holy Day, or New Moon. So, if God wants to fix a time. It struck me like a bombshell when I discovered this.

Before educating his audience about how intelligent he was, Dave offered some faux humility to grease the path.

@ 21:24 No man can find out. I couldn’t, either. Somebody had to be guided to see these things.

Dave discovered it, but Dave was guided to see it. Guided by what? Based on those cryptic CAD emails, what he found was false, and he was not guided by God. It does not matter what new knowledge was discovered if the old knowledge was not knowledge to begin with.

@ 28:38 So we're waiting for a day that will come come. It's the midst of the years. …And it repeats the date it came on twice. Now, I'm sitting here. I know the Bible. I I don't know, I don't know, you know, I'm not a calculus teacher. I don't know how to play the piano. I don't know a lot of things. We all know some things. They say if you if you do something for 10,000 hours, you'll become an expert. …It's a famous saying. I've been studying thi–thi [chuckles] what God is gonna do for between 20 and 25,000 hours. I preached for almost a thousand to try to figure this out.

You have to do something RIGHT for 10,000 hours to become an expert. Running in the same circles for 10,000 hours does not make you an expert. It makes you a hamster.

Dave has already spent 25,000 hours trying to “figure this out," and it still eludes him. By his own math, he should be an expert 2.5 times over. The problem is the guy has never been right, and the Bible guarantees he will never be right.

The thought that he can never be an expert would not cross his mind. Walking away and trying another vocation is out of the question. He knows he is God's servant, and he knows that he knows it. That is too sweet a deal to bail on now.

@ 29:26 So, presumably, I might be because of gifts of God, not me. Not nothing to do with me. I might be an expert on the Bible.

Pastor General David C. Pack:
Bible Expert Proven Wrong Since 2013™

David C. Pack is a Bible expert so skilled at the top of his craft he abandoned Tammuz 5 less than 24 hours after saying this.

David C. Pack was not prophesying and did not receive an oracle from God. This cannot be God-inspired preaching. By his own admission, he just teaches what he thinks the Bible says. This makes the Pastor General of The Restored Church of God their resident Sunday School Teacher.


Dave was so faux-confident in his expert opinions about Tammuz 5 that he absolved himself of any responsibility by placing the obligation on the brethren to prove his presumptuous malarkey matched what the Bible actually says.

The brethren who obeyed him must have felt like total dopes when he changed the narrative the next day. They did not yet know that when he threw some serious guilt their way.

@ 37:12 These verses are not what I say. What I say duddn't matter.

No. They are his private interpretations.

@ 37:24 But when we're reading from the Bible, my job is to tell you what it says. To be wise with it and faithful with it. What I what, you know, these verses are are are not what I say. They're what I believe, and I'm teaching, but they're what the Bible says.

Not according to those CAD emails.

@ 37:40 If God means something else, that it's not Tammuz 5, we can't know that. …You you have to take ownership of these verses. We're in this together. Don't you dare let yourself, and then boy, if you believe this way, don't you dare let me hear it. “Mr. Pack said.”

Mr. Pack said Jesus Christ brings the Kingdom of God on Tammuz 5, and then, Mr. Pack said never mind the next day.

@ 38:05 I read dates to you, and I did math, and you cannot get out of it. But do not say I said it. I explained to you what the Bible said. I didn't come back with some vision like I'm Joseph Smith on, you know, the Hill Cumorah east of Rochester and then start a religion off of it.

David C. Pack denies being a prophet while explaining why he might be a prophet in 3…2…1…

@ 38:25 I do not claim to be a prophet. If God says laying all of this out was prophesying and and then, on the fifth [of Tammuz], I do it again. I eat the book and do it again. Well, then, that's what He says. If that helps you to believe, maybe that's what I'm doing now. It doesn't really change me because I don't I don't I didn't get the word at God's lips unless He counts His word. Well, then I got it exactly from His lips.

@ 39:03 But you gotta take ownership of the verses yourself. It's deeply foolish and faithless to say, “Mr. Pack said.”

The people who do not hide behind what “Mr. Pack said” leave The Restored Church of God. They come to accept that what he teaches does not stand up to the mildest scrutiny when doing an honest Bible study. David C. Pack’s legendary piss-poor reading comprehension skills are the tip of the iceberg when it comes to goofy ideas and obvious lies.

I admit that even after I stopped believing anything “Mr. Pack said,” it still took me years to resign from The Restored Church of God. Since my departure in March 2021, the consistent lunacy has ratcheted up several notches.

@ 40:03 For years, I wondered. I knew there'd be some date we would learn, and we thought it was this and thought it was that and thought it was in this year or the other year. Whatever we thought. But eventually, we had enough knowledge to be able to pin it down, and it's locked. And again, it can't be a day known only to God. What use would that be to us?

That sure date after 25,000 hours of Bible study was not Tammuz 5. Will Dave need another 25,000 hours of expert opinions to discover the truth?

@ 55:08 So, has this been the the final short ration foretold by Christ? I think so. Where there’s just a tiny, tiny micron to go? Something under 90 hours? I think so. I can’t imagine it’s not. Good night.

He imagined it just fine on Sunday.

David C. Pack's expert opinion was that Jesus Christ would bring the 7-Year Kingdom of God on July 10, 2024, at 12:47 PM ET. And it was his expert opinion the next day He would not.

David C. Pack is a hypocritical, blaspheming liar. He is a proven false apostle, false prophet, and false teacher. He is surrounded by cowardly hirelings who care not for the sheep and willfully ignore the spiritual insanity.

David C. Pack is not moved by the Holy Spirit to declare dates for the return of Jesus Christ. The most foolish in The Restored Church of God are those who believe him and trust his words.

Those are just my expert opinions.

Marc Cebrian

See: Expert Opinions