Sunday, August 16, 2026

COG Veritas: Rick Shabi's Son Keeps His Dad's Promise




COG Veritas writes:

The Rick Shabi tenure as leader in UCG ended with a lot of confusion. Many members liked him, but chalked it up to "Politics". Home Office was not transparent on the issues that led to Mr. Shabi's departure. 
 
"He was hard on the Home Office Staff" was a common refrain.
Remember, UCG's home office Ministry wants their Ego's stroked and to stay in their comfort zone. Accountability is not a high priority.
We were going to write an article on Rick Shabi, but his son did us a favor.
Rick Shabi believed in Fiscal responsibility. We have heard 2nd hand that the costs to produce a Beyond Today episodes by Peter Eddington and Darris McNeely and that crew were significant. If someone knows Peter Eddington, ask him the cost to produce each episode and post it here. (Is it North of $100,000 per episode?).
Rick Shabi produced a podcast that was a fraction of the cost and had more followers. Would this produce jealousy?
We are aware of a situation that got out of hand involving Steve Meyers. He refused to meet Face to Face with the members who repeatedly requested a meeting. Mark Welch, Vic Kubik, and Darris McNeely did nothing to deal with Steve Meyers or require him to have a meeting. They looked the other way.
Rick Shabi at least forced Steve Meyers to meet with the brethren where he was exposed as Incompetent, lying, and a fraud.
So, Rick Shabi was willing to make the Home Office Ministers have the hard conversation with the members when they made a mistake, in this instance.
In his son's words, here is what went down at the end of Rick Shabi's tenure.

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Keeping a Promise

Today marks the one-year anniversary of my father’s death, closing out a year that has felt like a heavy blur of grief and reflection. I have always preferred to remain quiet, keep my focus on my family and move forward. However, given the impact of the recent General Conference of Elders’ (GCE) tribute on my family, it became clear that silence isn’t an option when the truth is not faithfully represented.

Seeing the GCE printed booklet was a painful catalyst, forcing the realization that quiet restraint was no longer an option. After I presented my father’s records to the Council of Elders earlier in the year and received their formal response, I had begun to resign myself to letting the matter go—accepting that administrative channels for review were closed and trying to focus instead on honoring my father’s memory through this website. While I always intended to write something to mark the one-year anniversary of my father’s death, this message would have looked far different had that misleading tribute not been published in their official record. Seeing an alternate narrative printed for the entire Church made it clear that our silence was being used against us—and with my father no longer here to defend himself, I realized that if his true account was ever to be known, I had to speak on his behalf.

My family initially kept our heartache private, hoping prayer, time and thoughtful dialogue would bring peace. However, our silence allowed a convenient narrative to take hold—one that risks framing my father’s presidency, his exit, and his final warnings through the lens of personal conflict rather than his unwavering commitment to biblical principle. Standing for the truth requires setting the record straight, ensuring history is remembered accurately, and fulfilling my promise to him.

There is a literary concept which has stuck with me, which is that a person dies twice. The first is physical, but the second happens when their true story is erased, replaced with a false narrative, and eventually forgotten. While that second fading usually takes generations, here it is happening less than a year after my father’s death. To ensure his true legacy is preserved, and his memory and true experiences are not lost so soon, I am choosing to honor two promises I made to my father in his final days: first, to keep his messages permanently and publicly available, and second, to bring the truth of what he endured in secret into the light.

This second promise grew directly out of the tragic timing of my father’s death. Throughout June 2025, my father carried a crushing spiritual burden. In his original resignation letter, he spoke openly of the “literal lies and betrayal” he had witnessed and experienced—a pain compounded as he realized that church leadership’s promises about his returning to pastoring in Orlando were empty, and that the church organization was moving down a path he viewed as deeply alarming. This unresolved distress took a heavy physical and emotional toll on him and never left his mind, even during our family cruise. Tragically, he suffered a sudden, fatal heart attack just one week after we returned, leaving him no opportunity to share what had happened with the brethren or address it publicly. During his final days in the hospital, knowing the time was short, he asked me to eventually bring the things that happened secretly into the light, if possible, realizing it would be incredibly difficult because he had struggled deeply with how to approach it himself.

Even though many of these events happened a year ago, the spirit behind them remains today.



Spiritual Cancer —
Preserving the True Record


The public statement made at the recent 2026 General Conference of Elders (GCE) was difficult for our family to hear, as it did not reflect the reality of his final months. First and foremost, my father was explicit with us before he died that he did not want a tribute presented to him at the 2026 GCE or any future conference.

There is a clear distinction between the public narrative and the private reality. Praising my father from the pulpit while quietly setting aside his final warnings creates the very condition he warned against in his sermon, Spiritual Cancer—where institutional appearances are maintained while foundational principles are quietly set aside.

While some are aware that my father stepped down shortly before the conclusion of his presidential term, many do not know the biblical convictions that guided his decision. In his original resignation letter, he explained that continuing his active participation as president would make it appear as though he condoned an environment incompatible with God’s standards of Christian leadership. He wrote that he had to follow his conscience, choosing to "obey God rather than men." For this exact reason, he asked my mother and me to ensure his wishes were honored—specifically to avoid having his story reshaped into a more convenient narrative.

Despite his explicit request, the Council and administration (church leadership) moved forward with a tribute for my father without consulting our family. In the official GCE booklet, they printed an alternate story, stating that my father passed away "just months after completing his presidential term" and "while looking forward to resuming his service in the pastoral ministry" in Orlando.

Neither statement reflects the documented reality, as the official narrative leaves out two critical facts:

The reality of my father’s exit: Stating that my father simply “completed his presidential term” attempts to erase his formal resignation and to alter what he stood for in his final days. He did not quietly finish his time in office and ride off into a contented retirement. We wish that had been the case. Instead, he felt it necessary to take a definitive, documented moral stand against the direction and conduct within church leadership—specifically resigning early and choosing not to participate in the 30th Anniversary GCE celebration so as not to appear to condone what had occurred. By omitting his April 27th resignation, the official account reframed a profound act of biblical conscience into a standard administrative transition.


His pastor’s heart and desire to serve: My father never viewed the presidency as a status symbol. His true heart was always that of a pastor. In both of his resignation letters, my father made it clear that stepping down as president was not a resignation from the ministry. He affirmed his commitment to serve the brethren and stated his clear desire to pastor in Orlando following the local pastor's retirement, writing in his May 1st resignation letter that this was “for the record.” He simply wanted to spend his remaining years serving the local congregation he loved.

Instead, my father died with the firm, painful knowledge that he would never be permitted to pastor in Orlando again. While still president, he learned that other individuals were already being contacted to fill that exact role—a reality later confirmed in a conversation my mother overheard when Chairman Tim Pebworth noted that “under normal circumstances” a former president would naturally have the option to return to pastoring. While leadership publicly presented the image of a peaceful, seamless transition to the church, my father was left with the realization that behind closed doors, his situation was being treated as abnormal. Carrying the heavy weight of that reality, my father never attempted to defend himself publicly, choosing instead self-control over self-defense.



Are You Living by Every Word?
Unwavering Urgency


The current direction of the church as described in recent public Council reports stands in clear contrast to the principles my father lived and taught—marking a direction the church has never taken before. As president, my father operated with an absolute urgency to preach the gospel, holding a firm conviction that God’s resources should be actively invested into the work today. Historically, tithe funds have been protected from market risk and investment speculation, reserved instead for immediate use in preaching the gospel. However, recent official reports highlight an administrative shift that has allocated millions of dollars of tithes into long-term investments. While the stated goal is to protect the organization’s assets for the future, placing security in long-term financial accumulation risks replacing immediate, active faith with human reasoning and physical safety.

Long before these financial strategy shifts were made public, my father warned that institutional self-preservation runs counter to God’s calling. In Our Collective Part in Advancing the Mission, my father reminded the church that “God’s will is that His Church moves forward… He never called us to be status quo,” cautioning against allowing a desire for physical security to distract from the work at hand. Relying on the stability of a fragile economic system undermines the core call to preach with true urgency about the end of the age and the coming Kingdom of God. As my father warned in Are You Living by Every Word (Carefully, Diligently, Willingly, Now), financial accumulation can create a false sense of security that obscures how rapidly events can unfold:

“Suddenly is going to come suddenly… any morning we could wake up and life as we have known it has changed. The economy could fall. It is that perilous. It is a bulge in the wall, just willing, just ready to break.”Are You Living by Every Word? (Carefully, Diligently, Willingly, Now)—Rick Shabi, March 16, 2024

This financial shift stands in clear contrast to the example my father set even in his final hours. Though none of us expected him to die so suddenly, he shared with us in that hospital room that he was completely at peace, precisely because he had lived and served with unwavering urgency, holding nothing back from what he believed God required of him.

If my father had prioritized long-term material security or personal comfort over immediate faith, his final days and the legacy he left behind would have been entirely different. The true danger of the church’s financial shift is not merely where tithes are placed, but the subtle spiritual decay that institutional mindset can create within us. When the leadership of a church begins relying on long-term financial accumulation rather than immediate faith, that same lack of urgency can quietly creep into our own personal lives. My father’s example leaves us with a sobering question for our own lives—when our time eventually comes, will we be able to face it with that same absolute peace? The answer depends on whether we choose to place our trust in physical security today, or in fully surrendering our lives and resources to God’s work.

The Danger of Politics —
A Warning Fulfilled


At the beginning of his presidency, my father established his personal boundary plainly— “I don’t play politics, I don’t respond to politics because I don’t like it, I don’t like what it does. I’ve seen it firsthand.” In that same sermon, The Danger of Politics, he warned the church how easily corporate mindsets can infiltrate the church and spiritual leadership, noting that “politics is a dangerous thing... it leads to destruction, politics leads to strife, politics leads to death,” noting that its root cause is simple — “it’s about self, it’s about what I want… who I favor.” He explicitly cautioned:

“Political maneuverings in a church or anyplace else… lead to factions that can develop and that can lead to decisions that can be hurtful and painful to others.” The Danger of Politics (Sermon)—Rick Shabi, November 5, 2022

Looking back at his private records today, those words carry remarkable foresight regarding the very environment he later encountered at the Home Office. As the executor of my father’s estate, I began organizing his personal records earlier this year and cataloging his physical and digital files. What I found were not casual notes, but official written communications, timelines, and primary documents detailing the severe, ongoing opposition he experienced behind closed doors throughout the spring of 2025—an environment marked by resistance to his leadership, disrespect, bitter jealousy, and direct hostility from leadership.

Some have asked whether the resistance my father faced was simply a clash of personalities. In his original resignation letter, my father addressed the severe environment behind closed doors, recording his perspective that the ongoing disruption was “to remove and discredit me.” His private archive contains both his comprehensive April 27th resignation detailing these institutional and spiritual concerns, as well as the brief, sanitized May 1st version he was pressured to submit four days later—a compromise he agreed to out of a personal commitment to obey Christ’s command to reconcile with an adversary along the way (Luke 12:58). In reality, the Council voted to end his presidency because his presence stood as an unyielding barrier to institutional compromise, political maneuvering, and centralized administrative control. Removing him marked a turning point for the fundamental shift in governance and church resources that we are beginning to witness today. While his private archive contains extensive documentation regarding the administrative environment he went through, my goal is not to engage in conflict, but rather to honor my father’s consistent call for biblical integrity.

To ensure proper spiritual counsel and biblical wisdom were followed, these records were independently reviewed and verified by a group of elders. Their evaluation reached the same conclusion—my father’s documented records stand in direct contrast to the public accounts presented by leadership. This documentation reveals a stable presidency suddenly disrupted by unverified private claims. My father spoke out because he believed the church was facing a defining “now I know” test, referencing God’s words to Abraham after he showed his willingness to obey. My father felt church leadership was at a similar crossroads where God was examining their true hearts, facing a choice that would permanently define the church’s trajectory.

The Deceptive Heart —
A Need for Biblical Transparency


Near the end of his presidency, my father delivered a sermon titled The Deceptive Heart, reminding the church how easily human reasoning can trick believers and leaders into compromising God’s standards: 

“They watered down what He [God] said and somehow, they’ve convinced themselves that’s okay. It’s not okay.” Drawing from Galatians 5, he highlighted the spiritual danger of prioritizing personal or organizational self-preservation over God’s truth, noting that deception often manifests as “a self-willed opinion… which is substituted for submission to the power of Truth, and that leads to division.” The Deceptive Heart (Sermon)—Rick Shabi, February 22, 2025

I brought my father’s records directly to the Council to give them a complete, transparent picture, sharing the heavy burden my father carried in his final months hoping some sort of open dialogue could occur. I hoped the Council would review these matters with pastoral care and work toward resolution and peace for our family.

Instead, I received a formal response from Chairman Tim Pebworth on behalf of the Council of Elders. While the letter opened with condolences, the primary focus centered on our family’s grief rather than the documented timelines I had presented, leaving the evidence, records, and contradictions surrounding my father’s final months unaddressed.

Rather than addressing the substance of the documents or even acknowledging sorrow for how my father felt in his final days, the Council focused on the tone of my request—characterizing a call for transparency as “the language of ultimatum” and stating they were “collectively saddened—not angered, but genuinely saddened” by my approach. They declined my proposed terms, asserting that these matters must“remain in private channels” under the framework of Matthew 18.

In practice, keeping these records exclusively within private channels prevented any broader organizational review. When I inquired about an independent review, it became clear that no governing body—including the General Conference of Elders—was designated to receive or act upon such findings, leaving no structural channel for impartial evaluation or accountability for church leadership.

Ultimately, rather than engaging with the documented records, the Council conditioned any future discussion on a process “free from public pressure” and “performative urgency” that they felt “forecloses the very space for genuine reconciliation.” But asking for truth and transparency regarding a father and former president’s final weeks in office is not “performative urgency”—it is basic Biblical Accountability. My requests to the Council were straightforward—acknowledge or explain the documented contradictions and share the facts with the GCE, the body their own governing documents define as the ultimate human authority.

As Jesus Christ made clear in John 3:21,

“He who does the truth comes to the light, that his deeds may be clearly seen.”

Truth naturally welcomes the light, whereas incomplete narratives rely on restricted access. Choosing to keep the documented records within closed channels leaves the brethren to discern their own conclusions for themselves.

Reflecting on this outcome reveals a persistent pattern. In his resignation letter, my father recorded that when he submitted his formal March 16th warning letter—outlining key concerns regarding church governance and administrative direction—directly to the Council and Ethics Committee, his warning was met with complete silence, despite his earnest efforts to follow the scriptural order of Matthew 18. A year later, when I presented his documented archive, the Council provided a formal response, yet the core contradictions remained unaddressed. A full year has passed, but the spirit behind that response remains completely unchanged.


The Allegory of the Cave

In the final month before my father’s sudden heart attack, he spoke with me at length about Plato’s Allegory of the Cave. We talked about it right before our family cruise to Greece, which had led him to reflect on ancient history, language, and how patterns of human behavior repeat themselves all through Scripture, from Joseph and David to the prophets and Jesus Christ Himself.

The allegory describes a group of prisoners chained inside a dark cave, facing a blank wall. For their entire lives, they watch artificial shadows cast across the wall by handlers or puppeteers, mistaking those illusions for reality. When one prisoner is finally freed and forced outside into the true light of the sun, he is initially overwhelmed but eventually sees the world as it truly is—beautiful and full of truth. However, when he returns to the cave to share that truth out of love and a desire to free the others, he is ridiculed and rejected. The prisoners prefer the comfort of the familiar shadows over the light, becoming defensive and even violent if forced to face reality.

My father wrestled deeply with why God had allowed him to witness what he saw during his presidency. Looking back, I realize he was using this concept to process his own grief. He saw a timeless biblical parallel—the same struggle early Christians faced as they had to step out from the religious cave of the Pharisees to find true light and transformation. Having stepped into the leadership of the church, he witnessed firsthand the painful difference between what was told to the brethren publicly and what was happening in secret. He found that simply trying to speak the truth was met with immediate resistance.

“Once a person’s eyes have adjusted to the light of uncompromised truth, it becomes spiritually impossible to remain in the shadows of self-deception or to pretend that human control can ever take the place of God’s truth.” Rick Shabi—June 16, 2025



End Time Readiness —
Loving the Truth & Discernment

The true weight of these patterns came into sharp focus on July 19, 2025, when my father delivered what would be the final sermon in his physical life: End Time Readiness: Loving the Truth and Spirit of Discernment. While spiritual discernment is often viewed by many as a safeguard against external influences, my father’s focus was centered on a subtle and more serious concern—the danger of spiritual compromise arising from within the church.

My father shared with my mother, wife, and me that throughout his presidency, his sermons reflected what he was experiencing and what was happening to him in secret. At times, following prayer, he felt moved to change his planned sermons, even when facing opposition from church leadership over their content. It was only later that the tragic reality would surface—the spiritual warnings my father felt moved to deliver were a mirror-image exposure of the very administrative maneuvers transpiring against him in secret.

In what would be his final sermon to the church, my father spoke from the heart to equip the church with essential principles for spiritual discernment. Midway through his sermon, he turned his focus toward the internal condition of those in spiritual authority, reminding the membership that spiritual compromise within leadership rarely presents itself openly. Instead, it enters quietly through gradual, subtle shifts that require deep spiritual vigilance to recognize.

"And it could be that even in our lives, right in the church, sometimes it isn't a lie as in, you know, a blatant lie that we would all say is absolutely wrong. But there can be a twist here or a twist there or you see something that's not quite right. And what does that mean? We live by the word of God. You know, Paul as he was talking to the elders of Ephesus, he warned them in Acts 20 that even from among you, some will come in and they will teach perverse things. But it really is misleading things is the correct translation there. You don't have to do that. That doesn't apply here.'" End Time Readiness—Loving the Truth and Spiritual Discernment (Sermon), Rick Shabi, July 19, 2025

He was exposing an institutional mindset that risks prioritizing institutional convenience over scriptural righteousness. To help the church navigate such an environment, he provided a vital key of spiritual discernment, drawing directly from the account of Isaac in Genesis: “The voice is Jacob’s voice, but the hands are the hands of Esau. Something’s not right here. If it doesn’t seem right, just do a little more investigation. Seek the truth.” When Isaac was old and his sight failed, he sensed that something was wrong, yet he moved forward anyway, wanting to believe the illusion so he wouldn’t have to face a harsher reality. My father warned us never to fall into that same spiritual trap.

Following my father’s death, these very spiritual principles became strikingly relevant. The nice, polished GCE tribute presented a reassuring, unified message—the comforting “voice of Jacob” meant to signal peace across the church. But as my father urged us, true discernment requires examining the “hands of Esau”—the actual actions taking place behind the scenes.

A direct review of the official YouTube channel reveals media actions taken regarding my father’s final warning messages. Key sermons, including The Deceptive Heart, Spiritual Cancer, and Our Collective Part in Advancing the Mission, were changed from public status to ‘unlisted,’ removing them from public search results and main channel visibility. Regardless of whether these specific messages are currently hidden or have been selectively restored to public view by the time you read this, the underlying objective remains apparent.

Fred Coulter’s “Full Accountability”: Trust Us, the Brethren Have No Need to Verify



For decades Fred Coulter has positioned the Christian Biblical Church of God as one of the rare Church of God groups that actually practices financial transparency. Every year the membership receives an income-and-expense report. Fred has repeatedly insisted that those who receive support from the brethren “are accountable to both God and to the brethren as to how these tithes and offerings are used.” He has quoted 1 Timothy 3 about overseers not being greedy for gain. He has mocked Worldwide for treating members as walking ATMs. He has told the brethren to “prove all things” and has even invoked Ronald Reagan’s “trust but verify.”

Then a member named John Van Atta actually tried to verify.

What followed was a six-month masterclass in stonewalling, feigned ignorance, belittling questions as “stupid,” and finally an unsolicited refund of the man’s contributions so the inconvenient conversation could be declared over.

Opening Salvo – March 2026

Van Atta’s March 20 letter was polite, detailed, and entirely reasonable. He noted that the published financials listed only one bank with two accounts, yet members knew other accounts existed. He asked why donations made payable to CBCG were being endorsed by other entities. He asked about the tangled corporate history of Christian Biblical Church of God versus Christian Scriptural Church of God (the only entity that actually holds the IRS determination letter for tax-deductible contributions). He asked why there is never a balance sheet. He asked who currently holds signatory authority on the accounts holding God’s money.

Fred’s March 25 response was the classic COG non-answer: everything funnels into the main account, the accountant (an enrolled agent, not a CPA) consolidates it, there are “no assets except three used copiers and no liabilities,” therefore no balance sheet is possible or necessary, and York Publishing is somehow both separate and not separate. Problem solved. Move along.

Van Atta did not move along. His April 13 reply laid out the corporate history in uncomfortable detail, noted the recent tax lien, questioned the revolving door of DBA registrations, and pointed out that brethren were never informed that donations to the name they actually write on their checks (CBCG) are not the ones the IRS recognizes. Fred’s next reply essentially said “I’ve already answered everything” and closed the matter.

The “Stupid” Questions and the Cashier’s Check

By late April Van Atta was still asking for specific, documented answers rather than high-level generalities. Fred’s May 1 letter is a classic of the genre:

“Your stupid request could only be answered if you sat in my lap while I was writing and issuing checks, which will never happen… We are not a gang of thieves and robbers, as you insinuate… Enclosed is cashier’s check #2242505553. This is a return of any contributions that you sent… The return of these donations demonstrates that this is the end of the matter.”

Nothing says “we welcome accountability” quite like refunding a member’s tithes and offerings so he will stop asking questions.

Matthew 18 – Because Scripture Only Applies When Convenient

In August, Van Atta (now joined by Nathan Mitchell as a second witness) formally invoked Matthew 18. The letter quoted Fred’s own past statements about accountability back to him and suggested a livestream explanation of the complete financial operations, live questions, and posting of documents by August 29.

Fred’s reply the next day was two sentences long:

“We do everything according to God and publish it in our reports, as we have done for 30 years, completely within all Scriptural requirements. I don’t understand the purpose of your email.”

Van Atta’s final note was blunt: you have refused to hear the complaint one-on-one or with a witness. The church will now hear it. If you continue to ignore it, Matthew 18:17 applies.
What the Numbers Actually Show

A side-by-side comparison of the published reports from 2021–2025 raises the very questions Fred refuses to answer:

Hundreds of thousands in “Writing & Editing” and “Current Book” expenses – who is being paid?
“Housing Allowance – For Elders” jumping to $71,000 in 2025 – which elders?
Auto maintenance, fuel, and insurance every year while the official position is that the church owns essentially no assets.
Office rent nearly doubling in one year.
“Africa Work” money appearing and disappearing after reported disagreements with Kenyan contacts.
Large “Assistance” line items with no breakdown of who received help.
Significant “Ministerial Expense,” “Travel Meeting Expense,” and “Payroll Expense” with zero transparency about recipients.

These are not “stupid” questions. They are the exact questions any competent steward would expect when handling other people’s money claimed to belong to God.
The Pattern Never Changes

Fred Coulter spent years correctly criticizing Worldwide for secrecy, uncontrolled spending, and treating the brethren as a cash machine. He built a reputation on being different. Yet when a member took his own rhetoric seriously and asked for verification, the response was evasion, insults, a refund check, and a claim not to understand why anyone would even ask.

The reports are published. That is true. What is not published is anything approaching the level of transparency Fred once demanded of others. Multiple legal entities, revolving DBAs, bank accounts that appear and disappear from the reports, no balance sheet, no independent CPA audit, and a leadership that treats detailed questions as personal attacks.

Van Atta followed the process Fred himself claims to follow. He was dismissed. That, more than any spreadsheet line item, is the real financial report of the Christian Biblical Church of God in 2026.

The brethren who continue to send their money under the name CBCG while the tax-deductible entity is actually CSCG, who never see a balance sheet, and who are told that asking for verification is “stupid,” might want to remember Fred’s own favorite phrase:

Trust, but verify.

Some of us are still waiting for the second half.


John Van Atta writes: 
I am a past member of WCG that left in the mid-nineties which was not soon enough. For the last ~30 years, my wife and I had nothing to do with any of the splinter groups. Back a few years ago I began to listen to Coulter a little. I knew better as we had some contact with him in the 90's. He hasn't changed a bit - he's even worse now. 

After a career investigating and prosecuting financial crimes for the federal government, I began to find some questionable financial facts about Fred's operation. Obviously, not having access to the investigative tools that I previously had before retirement, I cannot state whether Fred is involved in any illegal activities. However, from my experience I can say there is smoke and where there is smoke there may be a fire. 

With that stated, I have attempted to correspond with Fred regarding his financial activities. I have at least five different letter/emails to him with his responses. There is a nice stack of letters dating back to May, 2026 to the present time. Much to my surprise, the real name of his organization is the Christian Scriptural Church of God even though everyone believes it is Christian Biblical Church of God (CBCG) and they give money to CBCG (or think they do).  

Would you be interested in posting some or all of the letters and Fred's responses on your website? I believe strongly that anyone who is considering funding his business should read these before they do so. Then, at least, they could make an informed decision about throwing their money away.  

John Van Atta

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Armstrongism’s Favorite Groundhog Day: King of the South Edition, Petra Edition, Still Waiting Edition

 

h/t to a reader:


Armstrongism has never met a newspaper headline it couldn’t stretch into an “end-time indicator.” A new maritime defense pact here, a Houthi drone there, a red heifer somewhere, and suddenly the professional prophecy class is once again whipping the faithful into a fine lather about the King of the South and the imminent dash for the caves of Petra.

The latest entry comes from the Living Church of God. Gerry and the boys have posted another breathless brief about Saudi Arabia’s 14-nation maritime coalition to protect the Red Sea corridor. Egypt is in it. Turkey is (awkwardly) in it. Iran is suspected of poking Egypt with a drone. Therefore, according to the inspired analysis, we may be watching the “king of the South” slowly assemble itself so that one day it can poke the “king of the North” and trigger the great flight to Jordan.

This is the same script Armstrongism has been running for decades. The King of the South is always “almost” ready. Petra is always “almost” the place of safety. The only thing that reliably arrives on schedule is the next fundraising letter reminding everyone that the Work must continue so the true Church can be ready when the real King of the South finally shows up.

Bob Thiel, of course, cannot let LCG have the field to itself. The moment any other group dares to speculate on the King of the South, Crackpot Bob is seized by one of his trademark hysterics. They don’t understand the real King of the South! They are too blind to recognize the moment of flight! Only the improperly named "continuing" Church of God possesses the pure, undiluted understanding of when the little flock should grab their passports and head for the best caves. One can almost hear him already measuring the square footage of Al-Khazneh and deciding which chamber will be reserved for the prophet and which ones the lesser brethren may share.

Both versions have been epic, multi-decade failures. Herbert Armstrong’s 1975 date came and went. The endless “this is it” moments of the 80s, 90s, and 2000s came and went. David Pack’s repeated Wadsworth deadlines came and went. Thiel’s own rolling updates on African kings, European beasts, and Middle Eastern coalitions have come and gone with the same result: the faithful are still sitting in living rooms in the United States and Canada instead of decorating caves in Jordan. The public, by the way, remains magnificently uninterested. These “witnesses to the world” land almost exclusively on people who already grew up on the same prophetic diet. No one outside the bubble is converting because Saudi Arabia formed a naval task force.

The pattern is always the same. Current events are forced into the mold of Daniel 11. Any alliance south of Jerusalem is declared a potential “king.” Any European military move is declared the “king of the North.” The faithful are told to watch, to fear, and to keep sending the money so the church can be ready to flee. When nothing happens, the goalposts are quietly moved and the next headline is declared even more significant than the last. It is a perpetual-motion fear machine that has never once delivered the promised destination.

Those who have actually embraced the New Covenant do not have to live this way. We are not required to interpret every Middle Eastern alliance as the trigger for our personal evacuation. We are not required to keep one eye on the Red Sea and one hand on a packed bag. We are not required to fund the travel budgets of men who clearly enjoy the idea of being the last true prophet leading the remnant into the desert. The New Covenant is not a high-anxiety waiting room for a Jordanian tourist attraction. It is freedom from the entire system of fear-based control.

Christ has already finished the work. The Spirit does not require a cave in Petra in order to be present with His people. The constant drumbeat of “the end is nigh, prepare to flee” is not spiritual vigilance. It is the marketing strategy of a religious product that has been failing its own deadlines for more than half a century.

So let LCG and CCOG keep competing over who has the superior understanding of the King of the South. Let Bob keep eyeing the best real estate in the Siq. The rest of us can enjoy the liberty of not having to pretend that every news cycle is the final one. The caves will still be there if anyone ever actually needs them. In the meantime, they make a lovely backdrop for a man holding a cardboard sign that says exactly what the entire movement has been saying for generations:

“This Is My Cave!”




Saudi Arabia has announced a 14‑nation maritime defense coalition to secure the Bab al‑Mandeb, Red Sea, and Gulf of Aden, the corridor linking the Indian Ocean to the Mediterranean Sea (Al Jazeera, July 30, 2026). This union became necessary as Yemen’s Houthis have set up a maritime blockade at the Bab al-Mandeb strait, disrupting oil shipments rerouted to avoid the blockaded Strait of Hormuz. The Red Sea accounts for up to 30 percent of global shipping traffic and 5 percent of crude oil and refined petroleum products (Al Jazeera, July 30, 2026). These twin blockades have contributed to rising global energy prices, and crude prices jumped more than 30 percent in July alone (Financial Review, July 24, 2026).

Of the 14 countries involved in the Multinational Maritime Defence Alliance, only Turkey is geographically north of Jerusalem. This is relevant in that the “king of the South,” referenced in Daniel 11, will apparently be a confederation of nations south of Jerusalem. Notably, Egypt is one participant in this maritime alliance, after having suffered its first drone strike on Wednesday, July 29, at the Mediterranean port of Damietta. As of this writing, the attack is suspected to have been committed by Iran, but this has not yet been confirmed (CarnegieEndowment.org, August 3, 2026). The Damietta Port is of major significance in that it lies at the crossroads of international shipping lanes and regional energy networks.

The potential of these events must be understood against the backdrop of Daniel 11, which foretold, “At the time of the end the king of the South shall attack him; and the king of the North shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter the countries, overwhelm them, and pass through” (v. 40). The king of the South has not yet been set up, but the events now occurring in the Middle East may be building to it. To learn more, watch “The Three End-Time Superpowers.”


Saturday, August 15, 2026

Sheldon Monson: Did He And His Family Just Complete A 30 Day Cruise To Italy? Did Your Tithe Money Help Pay For This $12,000 Per Person Trip?





One thing is for certain when it comes to Church of God leaders: they know they are not like the rest of us. The plebs in the seats exist to send in their hard-earned money so the anointed can live the lifestyles to which they have become accustomed. After all, they are specially set aside by God Himself for the awesome, exhausting duty of leading the one true church. What else can we expect when their spiritual godfather, Herbert W. Armstrong, surrounded himself with European treasures and American antiques, much of it purchased at premium prices from Harrods of London? The man even had his kitchen dish towels flown in from Harrods to Pasadena. Only the best for God’s best men!

When Pentecost ended this year, Sheldon Monson promptly went missing. He even skipped his assigned speaking schedule. Members were solemnly informed that he was “sick.” Then the entire family vanished. No one could reach them—not by phone, not by any normal means. Radio silence from the Monson compound.

Teens being teens, of course, eventually let something slip. The other young people at church latched onto it immediately. Big Daddy had promised his daughter a cruise… and a full month-long trip to Italy. Nothing unusual there, right? Every COG parent does that for a high-school graduate. Totally normal.

Amateur detectives among the membership started digging. Which cruise lines offer a month-long trip to Italy right after Pentecost? Turns out there was only one that fit the timeline:
  • Cruise line: Silversea
  • Ship: Silver Nova
  • Departure: Miami, Florida - May 31, 2026
  • Arrival: Civitavecchia (Rome), Italy - June 24, 2026(24 nights)
Key ports (among others): Praia da Vitoria & Ponta Delgada (Azores), Funchal (Madeira), Lisbon, Cádiz, Málaga, Barcelona, Marseille, Monte Carlo, Portofino (Italy), Livorno (Tuscany/ Italy), then Civitavecchia/Rome.
cruisetransatlantic.com


And the price tag for this little “family graduation gift”? Roughly (at a minimum) $12,000 per person. Just chump change for the average COG member scraping by on one income while still faithfully sending in first, second, and third tithe. It pairs nicely with the extra-large Suburbans the Monsons apparently require. Only the best for God’s best!




Lovely balcony views of Marseille. Glamorous stops in Monte Carlo. Portofino. Tuscany. One can almost hear the gentle clink of champagne glasses as the Silver Nova glides across the Mediterranean.





Now, if you were a seasoned Church of God leader in the grand tradition, you would of course write the entire excursion off as a legitimate church expense. After all, someone has to scout potential Feast sites and evaluate luxury cruise lines for future “educational” opportunities. I’m not saying that’s what happened here. I’m merely noting that this is precisely how the COG has operated for decades.

The question that keeps arriving in my inbox is simple: Did members’ tithes pay for this?

Picture the elderly widow carefully counting out her last dollars to mail in her tithe. Picture the family of six cutting corners on groceries so they can still “pay God what is His.” Meanwhile their spiritual shepherd is sunning himself on a Silversea balcony in Monte Carlo, recovering from the crushing burden of… missing a speaking assignment.

This is not an isolated episode. It is COG history on repeat.

Herbert Armstrong set the gold standard with his private jet, English china, and Harrods shopping sprees. David Pack has poured millions into the Wadsworth campus while members were told to “sacrifice.” Other leaders have long enjoyed luxury vehicles, high-end homes, first-class travel, and Feast of Tabernacles stays that look more like five-star vacations than humble holy day observances. The pattern never changes: the sheep tighten their belts; the shepherds loosen theirs.

Church of God elites simply do not care about the optics. They are God’s anointed. They deserve the best. They work so hard. The rest of us should be grateful they are willing to endure 24 nights of gourmet dining, ocean views, and Italian sunshine on our behalf.

Tithe money well spent, brethren.

Wednesday, August 12, 2026

Priscilla's Rebuke To Bob Thiel For Years Of Ignoring Her Plight



For quite some time now, we have posted various articles and videos (links at the end) of Priscilla and her children that detail the spiritual abuse they received from Bob Thiel, his henchmen in Africa, and two modern-day witchdoctors. Not only has she suffered continued harassment and abuse from Crackpot Bob, but she continues to suffer from abuse by Bob's so-called evangelists in Africa.

Bob, like every self-serving Church of God minister down through the decades, has turned a blind eye and blamed her for the problems and not the holy and righteous sycophant Radson Molowzoa, who left his wife for another woman. Women are to remain silent and subservient.

COG Veritas: Disfellowshipment Has Been Weaponized to Control Members in UCG & COGWA (Part 2)




The Reason the Sabbath Keeping Churches are not growing

#2   Disfellowshipment Has Been Weaponized to Control Members in UCG & COGWA.  

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When Church Discipline Distorts God’s Truth

Question: What is the #1 reason people stop attending church in UCG & COGWA?

Answer: The Ministry.

Think of how many members left the Indianapolis congregation because of Darris McNeely. Did Vic Kubik fire Darris?

Of course not. Vic is an idiot and brought Darris to the Home Office and put him on the telecast representing UCG when Darris should have been fired.

Disfellowshipment is another significant area where people have never come back to church because of the Ministry.  It is one of the most misunderstood and sensitive topics in UCG & COGWA. The ministry has repeatedly misapplied disfellowshipment.  Most members accept the concept surrounding disfellowshipment and then gossip about a member being kicked out of church, but these same members cannot answer a basic question:

What are the Biblical grounds for disfellowshipment?

PURPOSE: This article will serve to make you an expert on this topic and give you concrete ways you can take back your power if this practice occurs in your church.

Background: We went to a current UCG Council member and a minister who served on the UCG Council recently with this question:

What are the biblical reasons a member could be disfellowshipped? NEITHER could answer the question. These were Jorge De Campos and Paul Kiefer.

Years ago, Peter Eddington was asked: "Is lying to the ministry a reason a member could be disfellowshipped?" He said: "There are many reasons a member can be disfellowshipped," but could not answer the question specifically.

Peter, lying to the ministry is NOT a biblical reason to disfellowship a member. Members are often kicked out of UCG for bruising a minister’s fragile ego.

Peter: You should know this! Get off the council.

(Also, where do you stand on opening the Steve Myers ethics investigation? The Council of Elders you are on is blocking it.)

In UCG, members are often kicked out of church while their Council of Elders cannot clearly define what biblically supports this decision. Ministers in the field are given far too much latitude on this topic without a consistent policy or accountability if a minister makes a mistake.

Do you still send the UCG Home Office your hard-earned money? You are paying for incompetence and paying the salaries of men who do not follow the Bible.

The bigger question in UCG, given the incompetence of the ministry in handling members' personal issues, is: Why would ANYONE tell a UCG minister the truth? You are inviting them to judge you and make a bigger mess out of whatever you are dealing with.

The TRUTH (we are Veritas, after all): When exercised properly, biblically mandated discipline is designed to preserve the spiritual purity of the church, protect the flock, and ultimately bring a sinning believer to repentance and reconciliation. Most of the congregations consist of older, experienced members who have seen it all. So the need to "protect" them is not as relevant as it is with neophyte members.

We would argue that if a member wants the church to help them with a problem or sin, GO TO THE MEMBERS WHO HAVE SUCCESSFULLY OVERCOME THEIR ISSUE IN THEIR LIFE. They can speak to it from experience.

The ministry is just going to:

  1. Quote a bunch of scriptures to you and think they did their job,

  2. Judge you,

  3. Tell their wife, who will then spread your struggles like wildfire. Steve Myers' wife is a great example of this dynamic.

Some of the biggest gossips in UCG & COGWA are the ministers' wives. You DO NOT want them knowing your business.

The main purpose of disfellowshipment, then, is to help the member get back on a good path—not to control the member so the incompetent, non-Bible-following minister can stay in his comfort zone!

Going back to the Worldwide Church of God days, disfellowshipping—or "kicking a member out"—has frequently been misused as a tool of spiritual abuse, control, and censorship of ideas by the ministry and the COGWA & UCG Home Office.

We covered extreme and evil examples of how COGWA used this in our first article:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1txS3NPOwcgLU_8XsrQk0ZeO0bagy4Vqd/edit

Educate Yourself on This Important Topic

To stand in truth (Veritas), we must examine what the Bible actually teaches about valid reasons for kicking a member out of church, and contrast it with how church leadership often abuses this process.

Part 1: Valid Biblical Grounds for Disfellowshipping

The Scriptures do not give church leaders free rein to disfellowship members over personal grievances, administrative differences, or questioning their authority. The New Testament outlines specific, severe situations where disfellowshipping is required.

These situations are rare in UCG & COGWA.

  1. Incest: (1 Corinthians 5:1–13) In Paul’s letter to the Corinthians, a member was involved in an ongoing incestuous relationship, and the church was boastful rather than grieved. Paul instructed them to remove the individual from fellowship ("deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh") so that their spirit might ultimately be saved.
    Paul’s goal was twofold: to protect the church's spiritual purity and to lead the individual to repentance.
    This RARELY happens.

  2. Causing Division: This is the blanket reason that the UCG & COGWA ministry uses, but UCG and COGWA do not use the scripture correctly.
    (This means you: Doug Horchak, Ken Treybig, Jim Franks, Ken Giese, Dave & Steve Myers (a.k.a. the Disfellowshipment Brothers), Mark Welch, and Vic Kubik. Vic is completely inconsistent on this topic depending on who he likes and who he has a personal issue with.) Here is the actual Scripture regarding kicking someone out for "causing division": IT IS OVER DOCTRINE—not over catching a minister in a scandal (Doug Horchak) or covering up for their buddies in the ministry involved in scandal and sin, like Mark Welch did for Steve Myers when he ran UCG’s ministry.
    (Romans 16:17, Titus 3:10–11) Paul instructs believers to "note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them." A person who factiously spreads clear, unbiblical heresy and causes strife—after a first and second warning—is to be rejected (Titus 3:10).
    In our first article, Ken Treybig kicked a member out of church for telling another member about inappropriate emails between Doug Horchak and his wife. In a letter he mailed, Ken Treybig said the member was "causing division."
    Ken, you better hope there is no hell... because you and your nutty wife are going. Who (and we think it was Jim Franks) gave you authority to kick this member out of church for telling the truth?
    Confess your sins, Ken Treybig, and then read Matthew 18:6, where it states, "it is better for someone to be drowned in the sea with a heavy millstone tied around their neck than to lead a vulnerable believer or child into sin or spiritual ruin."

  3. Refusal to Repent After Personal Reconciliation Steps: (Matthew 18:15–17) Jesus gave a clear, four-step process for personal sin between brethren:

    • Go to the brother privately.

    • Take one or two witnesses if they will not listen.

    • Tell it to the church (the congregation/assembly).

    • Only if they refuse to hear the entire assembly are they to be treated as an unbeliever ("a heathen and a tax collector").

  4. This process was followed by the member regarding Doug Horchak.
    The member wanted to meet with him (Horchak refused, stating the member had a bad attitude).
    Then the member asked Ken Treybig and Ken Giese to have Horchak meet with him while Giese and Treybig were present as witnesses. Ken Giese, who was the Regional Pastor, said that was not a good idea.
    When the member started to tell the body, he was kicked out.
    Shouldn’t Doug Horchak, Ken Treybig, and Ken Giese be disfellowshipped for not following Matthew 18? Is this uncomfortable for you to consider?

Now you know the reasons for disfellowshipment: IDM

  • I – Incest

  • D – Division over Doctrine (causing division is the blanket policy the ministry uses out of context)

  • M – Matthew 18 & not changing after MULTIPLE attempts to bring the issue to your attention.

Biblical disfellowshipping involves unrepentant, willful sin against God’s revealed word, and it is always conducted with the goal of redemption and restoration.

Part 2: How Disfellowshipping Is Abused by UCG & COGWA Ministers

Unfortunately, church discipline is frequently weaponized by leaders seeking to consolidate authority, silence dissent, or protect institutional interests. Here is how disfellowshipping is commonly abused, along with current examples:

1. Disfellowshipping for Questioning Human Authority (Lording It Over the Flock)

The UCG & COGWA ministry often conflates their own authority with the authority of God. If a member asks legitimate questions about church administration, doctrinal interpretations, or financial transparency, they are often branded as "divisive" or "rebellious."

The Reality: Jesus explicitly warned His ministry against hierarchical abuse: "The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them... but not so among you" (Luke 22:25–26). Questioning a human minister is not the same as rebelling against God.

Modern Examples: 

  1. A COGWA couple puts together a campout. They want to discuss how to put more zeal and growth into the church. They were asked not to because a COGWA elder was not present. COGWA leadership is led by maniacal control freaks.


  2. How dare they attend another Sabbath keeping church that is not part of the COGWA Corporation?




2. Weaponizing "Divisiveness" (Misapplying Romans 16:17)

Romans 16:17 is one of the most frequently abused scriptures in corporate ministry. Leaders often use it to expel members who simply point out ministerial corruption, doctrinal errors, or mistreatment of brethren.

The Reality: Highlighting biblical truth or exposing unscriptural practices by the ministry is not "causing division" (Jude 1:3). True division is caused by those who teach doctrines and enforce policies contrary to Scripture.

Modern Examples: We covered this in detail in our first post. Mark Welch was given proof that Steve Myers had lied to cover up that he had bungled a false rape accusation. (More on this in a future article.)

Mark was in charge of the ministry at the time. When presented with evidence in emails from Steve Myers and an audio recording of a face-to-face meeting with Steve Myers showing that Steve Myers lied and did not follow scripture (even when pointed out to him), Mark took no action against Myers.

The member wrote to Mark Welch and copied many members regarding a presentation Steve Myers gave to the GCE:

From a May 31, 2019 email from the member to Mark Welch, head of the UCG Ministry (appointed by Vic, the idiot): > (The member writes addressing Mark Welch on an issue that had been going on for over FIVE YEARS without resolution) > "I have been talking to you guys privately about the issues in the ministry (No Training. No Accountability).

Well, if this doesn't sicken you, I do not know what will.

Spineless Steve gave this presentation to the GCE (General Council of Elders—meaning he was teaching ALL the elders in United).

Seminars on Monday were 'The Heart of a Shepherd' by Steve Myers.

Mark, I have asked you to FIRE the LIAR that is MYERS. What is he doing giving this presentation?! What kind of bush-league operation are you guys running up there?

The time he spent preparing this presentation was time he should have spent keeping his word to Gary and myself. In other words, SERVING THE BRETHREN.

Spineless Steve does not have 'The Heart of a Shepherd.' He runs away from issues. He enables evil. He promotes incompetence. He does not take meetings requested by the brethren. He does not return emails about the messes he has contributed to making. HE LIES!

This is documented, and you have been sent proof. Why have you not fired him?"

Mark Welch responded in this email: > Mark Welch > To: [Member], and 1 other, Cc: [Member], and 1 other · Sat, Jun 1, 2019 at 12:42 AM

"Steve Myers gave an outstanding presentation to our ministry on the 'Heart of a Shepherd,' and I personally believe he has such an approach to the ministry and to serving God’s people. He has many demands on his time, and he is very busy and hardworking. I believe he has done well, overall, and has always tried to serve God and His people well. I have no intention of firing him...

God hates division and discord, and it would be an injustice for me to overlook the same. Please take this as a warning if you desire to continue attending United. This type of rhetoric must cease immediately. I have no problem if you want to give your opinion respectfully, but this type of dialogue and communication is divisive and unproductive."

NOTE: Mark Welch (AS HEAD OF THE ENTIRE UCG MINISTRY) does not address the facts of Steve Myers' sins that he had been made aware of for over a year. He puts the burden back on the member with threats of removal from United. Why is Steve Myers not removed from United? Read James 3:1.

Does calling out a minister's sin to the UCG leadership, only to have the UCG Home Office respond by threatening the member with dismissal, fit the Incest, Doctrine, Matt 18 (IDM) disfellowshipment criteria we just covered?

No, it does not.

Vic Kubik was made aware of this, and he dismissed it, saying, "Steve is really busy."

And so the members suffer.

STOP SENDING YOUR MONEY TO THE UCG HOME OFFICE. Keep it local or give it to a charity that actually tangibly makes people's lives better.

Dave Myers (somehow the Myers brothers run the ministry of COGWA and UCG) both kick members out of church. Note: When Dave Myers kicked these members out of church and the members responded publicly, did Dave Myers address the issues directly?

No, he gave a broad answer and then proceeded to discredit the members publicly:

See: The Shepherd's Heavy Mantle - To Help You Keep Your Mouth Shut!

  • UCG: Stop the Spend (no more money to their Home Office)

  • COGWA: Stop the Attend (stop going to this false church that was founded on lies)

3. Bypassing the Matthew 18 Process

In many abusive church environments like UCG & COGWA, members are disfellowshipped behind closed doors without ever being given the opportunity to speak to their accusers, present their side, or go through the steps outlined by Jesus in Matthew 18. We know of many examples, but please post on the Veritas website if you know of any.

The Reality: Bypassing Matthew 18 to unilaterally "mark" or ban a member is a direct violation of Christ's explicit command.

Modern Examples: We have covered this in previous examples: Doug Horchak refused to meet with the member who caught him in lies with his wife.

Steve Myers refused to meet with a member over a false accusation after Steve Myers and Mark Welch had already kicked people out of church, giving the member no recourse in the situation.

Stan Braumiller in Florida requested a face-to-face meeting with his accusers and was denied, as well as kicked out of church.

UCG and COGWA do NOT apply Matthew 18 if it requires the MINISTER to be confronted.

4. Total Social Shunning and Ostracization

When disfellowshipping is abused, leaders often demand that family members, friends, and the entire congregation completely sever all contact with the expelled individual, effectively treating them as dead.

The Reality: While Paul instructs churches not to share a covenant meal or spiritual fellowship with an unrepentant, immoral believer (1 Cor 5:11), the ultimate attitude toward the individual must still be rooted in love and the desire to see them restored (2 Thessalonians 3:14–15: "Yet do not count him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother").

Conclusion: Standing for Veritas

True church discipline reflects the heart of God: holy, fair, patient, and merciful. When disfellowshipping is practiced biblically, it seeks to restore the sinner and safeguard the congregation. In a mature congregation, which is the majority of UCG and COGWA, the members should be at a point to rightfully divide the word of truth themselves without the need for a minister "protecting them."

When it is abused by an authoritarian ministry, disfellowshipping becomes an instrument of spiritual trauma, driving people away from God rather than bringing them closer to Him.

Members can take back their power on this topic. Here are ideas meant to empower you:

  1. Educate yourself on what are valid and invalid reasons for disfellowshipment. Remember the IDM Model:

    • I – Incest

    • D – Doctrine (causing division by spreading false doctrine)

    • M – Not repenting after going through the Matthew 18 model.
      This is a good start that will stand you in good stead.

  2. Go to church anyway. If they try to remove you, call the police and ask them to arrest the minister for violating your rights to peacefully assemble. Video the whole episode on your phone and post it all over social media until there is a stigma attached to attending the organization.

  3. Form a Matthew 18 committee with the members of your congregation. Make a commitment that ANY issues in the congregation will follow the Matthew 18 process and be overseen by the committee. The purpose is not to make someone right or wrong, but to promote spiritual growth AT THE MEMBER LEVEL by talking out issues, grievances, and sin that could affect the congregation.

  4. Inform the minister that he also will be under the guidelines of the Matthew 18 committee. Carl Gennaro in Tampa, Florida, had good ideas on how to begin this in your congregation. Reach out to him:
    https://www.facebook.com/carl.gennaro

Finally, we ask you to get involved and share your experiences. There is healing and solutions that can come from the spiritual trauma that some members have experienced from the ministry in UCG and COGWA.

Have you seen Matthew 18 properly applied in your church experience, or have you witnessed spiritual abuse by the ministry? Share your thoughts respectfully in the comments section.

"Test all things; hold fast what is good." — 1 Thessalonians 5:21