Saturday, May 18, 2024

Dave Pack: The Butterfly Defect


The Butterfly Defect 

Most sane people would decide to change their vocation after failing miserably for over twelve years. But not David C. Pack. The Kingdom to Israel did not arrive on May 8, 2024. It did not arrive on April 21. It did not arrive on April 8. Repeat that exercise until you travel back to August 30, 2013. Nothing David C. Pack has ever preached has happened. Not a single thing.

The Pastor General of The Restored Church of God fulfills the biblical definitions of a false prophet, false teacher, and false apostle. Yet, about 1,200 people on the planet still believe he deserves a paycheck funded from their labors. The brethren produce income to pay a prophetic fraud to produce nothing. They only have themselves to blame.

David C. Pack self-appointed himself an apostle, Joshua the High Priest, Elijah the Prophet, the Branch, the Messenger of the Covenant, the Faithful Priest, the Goodman of the House, and the Seventh Angel. Yet, cannot do anything right.

He is either a Jew descended from ancient King David or a Levite, depending upon his desired context. He is either Elijah the Prophet now or will be soon, depending on his desired context. He is either prophesying or only teaching, depending upon his desired context. He is either fulfilling prophecy or not fulfilling prophecy depending upon his desired context.

James 1:8
A double-minded man is unstable in all his ways.

How does one embody this more perfectly than David C. Pack?


The only reliable thing about David C. Pack is that he is unreliable. Let the man speak for himself.

Part 512 – May 11, 2024
@ 00:11 Well, I didn’t keep my promise. I said I would be no more messages, but here we are.

The documented oath-breaker admits in his introductory words that nobody should believe anything he says. Iyar 1 failed to produce any of the hysteria he said would befall the world. His denial is so pure he did not mention Iyar 1 or the Kingdom no-show three days prior during Part 512.

If he does not mention something, it means it did not occur. If David C. Pack does not admit to failing, then David C. Pack did not fail. “Ignoring a problem makes it go away” is an essential RCG survival tactic.

The members of The Restored Church of God must be so accustomed to letting his words slip in and out of their short-term memory that it does not bother them when his opening ten seconds invalidates 92 minutes from Part 511.

During Part 512, Dave “undid” all of these statements from seven days prior.

Part 511 – May 4, 2024
@ 16:45 But, we’re we’re more on track than you might think.

@ 17:04 After I cover this subject, there's only one more to cover, and then we're done tonight. 'Cause this is the last message of the Series. And that's for sure.

@ 43:46 Now, it's so easy to understand. So easy to understand when the Kingdom of God comes. Of course, it’s the thousand years.

@ 1:08:02 I thought, “It’s Sivan 1.” ‘Cause I’m sitting here all the while thinking, “But, Father, I’m done with the Series. If this if the Series is supposta go right up to the Kingdom, what’s gonna happen ‘cause I’m telling you, this is the last message. I don’t have anything else to say. So, I could give you many, many more indicators of Sivan 1.

David C. Pack’s prayer was answered in 3…2…1…

@ 1:16:57 If I were you, I’d pray I got this all wrong and that we’re gonna have a quiet month of Iyar and wait till Sivan.

With a splash of unrelated victimhood in 3…2…1…

@ 1:17:03 That’d be fine with me ‘cause I’m in the crosshairs more than anybody.

But the Series is over. So, there is some comfort in that.

@ 1:30:57 I won’t revisit this plan. If we had to go on somehow, I won’t revisit the plan. If time went on, I’d allude to it in terms uh in in sermons and so forth about other subjects.

@ 1:31:12 But, the but but the or my ultra-marathon is over. 512 Parts and 930 hours are over. It’s over. There’s nothing else to tell you. 

@ 1:31:30 If we somehow got beyond May 8th, which doesn't seem possible, then wait through Iyar, hoping it is less than a month. Because the only picture I see is hell and had Habakkuk shrieking and crying that God would intervene.


David C. Pack and the cowardly hirelings at Headquarters hope that none of the brethren remember those words from a week ago. Why focus on the past when they have such incredible knowledge to be spewed on them this week?

Part 512 – May 11, 2024
@ 1:14:32 I’m not prophesying now. Nobody’ll ever get me to say that. I’m not. I’m teaching. But I’m teaching things no one ever saw.

Dave will eventually get himself to say that.

If history is our guide, no one ever saw it because it was never there in the first place. As an unordained non-prophet/non-psychic, I predict much of Part 512 will be undone in Part 513 because that has been the “grand pattern” of “The Greatest Unending Story!”

Now that RCG has established God's Spirit moves people through discomfort and inspires suspicion, which is proof of God's guidance, another fruit from the head of David C. Pack is misery.

@ 1:18:40 But people wanna throw stones sometimes at Mr. Pack can’t figure [chuckles] all of this out. I mean, I I get deeply frustrated with myself. I never get frustrated with God, but it just I thought, you know, maybe it would be good if we just went really deeply into how difficult some of this is so you could be just as periodically miserable as I am. I I mean, misery loves company. This some of this is hard.

God has a final end-time messenger who has all His authority to preach to His people, thus ending the Mystery of God. If prophecy is to be fulfilled by one chosen man, why does Dave’s god make everything so dang hard? Why do the words on the pages keep moving around? Why do verses fall out and back into the Bible? How come words mean something specific one day and then something else vague another day?

Because David C. Pack is stuck in a prophetic dismal swamp of his own making.


Proof that David C. Pack lives in a dark, sealed box sequestered away on The Restored Church of God Campus in 3…2…1…

@ 00:23 How many of you’ve heard of the what’s called “the butterfly effect?” [raised hands] Okay, you all have. I had actually not heard of it until recently. It was coined by a meteorologist named Edward Lorenz. …Discovered in the 1960s that tiny butterfly-scale changes to the starting point of his computer weather models (I’m reading the quote) resulted in anything from sunny skies to violent storms.

The moment Dave said this, 
it was obvious where he was headed. He found a tiny little whatever in the Bible and would blow it far out of proportion to excuse himself for botching the past six months. Oh boy, was that the strategy.

@ 02:15 Prophetically, what if two facts emerged that altered a host of other facts? Maybe we'll call it "Uh, Two Butterflies." What if they were so big I had to speak to all that they impacted after I’d so recently said we’re done?

Your human idol did not make a mistake, brethren. “Two facts emerged” that necessitated catastrophic cascading adjustments to the prophetic picture just when they thought it was so clear and easy.

Dave’s god has tricked him into playing a never-ending game of Biblical Jenga. The unstable tower of prophetic fantasies is constantly teetering on the verge of collapse, swayed about by every wind of doctrine and tossed to and fro that can only be stabilized by persistent denial and generous portions of uncomfortable sleeplessness.

Behold the legacy of “The Greatest Untold Story!” Who could have imagined so much needed to change because of a single word? Well, David C. Pack needed to find something special and, after much desperation, found his means of escape. His favorite whipping boys were called to the carpet again.

@ 03:30 First, perhaps our last big mistranslation came clear. I began to be suspicious because of some other things, and this mistranslation became a fact that alone altered not everything, but in [chuckles] it’s almost close.

Much to Dave's chagrin and secret delight, the word "also" is not in the Hebrew in Zechariah 11:8. He makes a big deal about how it changes so much when removing the word does not change anything. It does not change the meaning or context. The only thing different is how David C. Pack's astonishingly dreadful piss-poor reading comprehension skills comprehend the verse.

The implication is that "also” is not there; therefore, it would never be Iyar.

How the yellow-spine mollusks at Headquarters do not turn beet red with shame during Sabbath Services is a living testament to their resolve to accept anything their Pastor General says no matter how unsound and asinine. Your Pope is infallible, after all. Right, Ed?


During Part 512, David C. Pack is the classic David C. Pack.

Basking in the ejaculatory ecstasy of his premature glory, Dave proclaims the illusion of assured divine knowledge without being bogged down by providing a shred of actual proof.

Remember, only fools trust the words of David C. Pack. He said so himself.

@ 00:11 Well, I didn’t keep my promise. I said I would be no more messages, but here we are.

That same unreliable narrator foretells a biblical chimera inflated with firm-fingered speculation and supported by because-I-say-so theology.

David C. Pack knows when the Kingdom to Israel will arrive.
But he will not tell anyone.

@ 07:04 What is what is the Seven Year Kingdom of “those days?” You’ve heard that term many times. What is it? Now, this gonna surprise you, and I don't mean to be cute after we've wrestled for a long, long time with this. But I know when the Seven-Year Kingdom begins. The very day. Absolutely. I know it. So do a few ministers who know what I do. Except, I gave them about 15 proofs. And I’ve got 50. I’ve got 50 proofs of when this happens.

Any list David C. Pack, Coffee Kid, and Pepper Boy create in the Third Floor Executive Imaginarium would prove more useful if they were written on toilet paper. That is one of the ways the brethren's money is being spent. Dave and his assistants are sitting around perpetually, writing down pointless lists.

@ 07:50 I absolutely know and know that I know and know that I know that I know. And those men, with a third of a maybe about 30% of what I know, said, “Open and shut.” In fact, some of them are so powerful that they could almost be enough by themself.

He absolutely knows but does not tell the members.

The Power of Presumption is alive and well at Headquarters. His emphatic convictions betray the reality of his perfect failure three days earlier when nothing biblical happened on May 8, 2024. To hear the man preach absolutes with such passion, you might think he was unaware Iyar 1 came and went without a peep.

@ 08:33 But, I can tell ya it’s 2024. I can [laughs] I know that.

Dave does not get specific but tells them it is this year. Then, he waits 90 minutes to dash any more of their hopes.

@ 1:39:59 I’ll just tell you this. The Kingdom date is not immediate.

This gives Dave a lot more breathing room to drag things out. More members cannot quit in a huff after a failed date if there is no failed date for Dave to preemptively adjust to huff about.

@ 1:24:30 If God wants me to, I’ll tell you the day it comes, this First Kingdom. ‘Cause I know absolutely as certain as I know my own name.

David Passover is certain about his own name. Take that with a grain of salt.

@ 1:40:14 But, I’m just gonna say this much because I feel duty bound since I I–I’ll just say one last time and and nobody gonna get it out of me. I know the date this comes. It’s impossible that it’s wrong. Impossible.

Raising your hand in that moment to ask, “As impossible as Iyar 1?” is the fast way out the door.

Know this for sure: It is impossible for him to be right.

David C. Pack is a biblical fraud. The man is a hypocritical blaspheming liar. He will never be correct about any date. The Holy Spirit does not inspire him to teach this. God will not use him to provide any accurate prophetic knowledge. THAT is impossible.

@ 1:41:57 If God wants me to tell you the date, and I'll tell you why, I'm not so sure of that. If He wants me to, I'll tell you. If He doesn’t—and I have my reasons.

David C. Pack has absolutely no idea what God wants. Zero. Nada. If Dave cannot discern the actual picture from the pages of the Bible or correctly interpret his discomfort, how could he possibly know when his god wants ANYTHING from him? He has bumped his head against the wall for over seven years, constantly bumbling in the dark, but now he would know when his god wants XYZ? Good luck, dude.

@ 1:42:38 So, Godspeed the the day I know about [laughs], and if I sound like I'm teasing you, I partly am. But, I just cannot tell you yet. I’m not gonna do it. Always did in the past. You must know something’s up that Mr. Pack is not doin’ it this time. He’s he’s breaking with tradition.

Believe it: Dave will spill the beans on this. No doubt about that. Maybe even today during Part 513. He declared before what he "wasn't gonna do" and then practically pissed himself with excitement to blurt it out. This latest impossible-to-be-wrong date will not remain a secret for long. And will prove to be wrong.

@ 1:42:58 I always told you when I had the wrong date. Now, I know I've got the right one, but I’m not gonna do it.

Oh, yes, he will. He will do it sooner than you think.


David C. Pack cannot preach, teach, or utter any date other than the wrong ones. History and the Bible guarantee that. Rest easy, everyone. Do not fear this man or his feeble, empty words. In the world of David C. Pack, the sky is always falling.

@ 1:42:21 …as good as that is, it’s raging hell and ends in death for many of the saints, and half of 'em fall away and of those half, that that that that don't fall away, they hafta get killed.

@ 1:40:30 But, I’m just gonna tell ya the world will continue a while. You’re gonna hafta watch it.

@ 1:41:28 And the collapse of society. It’s gonna go a little while longer.

David C. Pack Newsflash: The world will continue for a little while. Nobody shocked.

David C. Pack is a know-nothing know-it-all. He preaches the same malarkey week after week for years and still expects the brain-dead among the members to get excited. That is a mental illness realized.

@ 1:34:21 If you don’t find yourself mumbling about this and talking in your sleep, then it was lost on you. This some of the most amazing understanding I ever heard. I mean, a week ago, I said we're done. Well, now you know we're not. We’re not even done today.

For those who may assumed David C. Pack has an ice-cold heart, witness his profound forgiveness. For himself.

@ 1:22:00 But, lemme just say that I can be forgiven, and you can, too, for believing this [Seven-Year Kingdom] is the Kingdom of God because it sure does look like it. It sure mimics the Kingdom of God in every way I always thought it would be, plus a bunch more. That oughta at least have you excited what whatever it is.

Should they be more or less excited than they were about Iyar 1 on Wednesday, May 8? How about being as excited about Abib 15 or Abib 1? What excitement level should sane, rational people keep experiencing since David C. Pack’s first prophetic failure on August 30, 2013?

Maybe Jaco Viljoen can write another hastily written email to explain that.


David C. Pack never heard of the Butterfly Effect until he needed to. His entire Prophetic Jenga construct centered on Iyar 1 came toppling down because he never realized “also” was not in Zechariah 11:8. As if that word mattered.

We can all learn from his lesson because little things carry big implications.

David C. Pack’s real Butterfly Defect is that on August 30, 2013, when Jesus Christ did not return to Wadsworth, Ohio, to center the Kingdom of God on The Restored Church of God Campus so that the members could be blessed with exousia to preach the true Gospel to the entire world, David C. Pack became a false prophet.

That tiny detail created massive ripple effects, turning calm biblical weather into a raging, destructive hurricane of blasphemy, causing personal devastation unto this day. What once appeared to be a beautiful butterfly of divine knowledge handed down to God’s people at the time of the end became a dead husk of spiritual corruption caught in a spider’s web of deceit and manipulation.

The Restored Church of God is spiritually bankrupt, devoid of love, and a haven for wicked arrogance.

David C. Pack’s Butterfly Defect forbids him from ever being right.

Marc Cebrian

Aaron Dean, Whether Dead Or Alive, Will Direct You To Jesus Christ!

More words of wisdom from Samuel Kitchen:

If you find yourself in the Great Tribulation, remember the name Herbert W. Armstrong, and remember Aaron Dean the assistant. 
Whether Mr. Dean is in a place of protection, or in Jerusalem, or laying dead in martydom, I am certain he will direct you to Jesus Christ. 
I am mentioning him, now, as a name to remember and to look for. 
My enemies might not like it. But perhaps this is a branch plucked from the fire? 
We of the Worldwide Church of God are assembled under the authority of Jesus Christ, fitly jointed with the apostle, and holding fast to what we have been given. We are NOT another church. We did not get destroyed. 
Aaron Dean, is a friend. Pray for him so that he may be protected. Pray that the chains may be released over the ministry, and pray that those of us who are on the front lines may boldly stand before all our foes and that Christ may accomplish His work in us! 
This rotten attitude against the ministry MUST GO! We must get clear in our minds, who the Worldwide Church of God IS, and what it is NOT! We must not listen to those who call apostates the name of the true Church. You will be CONFUSED!

Crackpot Prophet Makes A Shocking Revelation!!!!!


The Church of God, Armstrongist dispensation, does not realize how blessed they all are to have in their midst the greatest prophet the church has ever seen in the history of humanity. Never has the church had a more intellectually and spiritually blessed prophet walking among them than we do today in 2024 with our Great Bwana to Africa and the occasional 100 Caucasians.

God, Jesus, and that mischievous and unpredictable Holy Spirit knew what they were doing when they planned the arrival of the Great Bwana to thrust himself upon us in 2012 as the new revelator to restore the church to the faith once delivered.

Ever since then, we have received an astounding array of knowledge that was previously hidden from the world until the words came forth from the holy lips of our Great Bwana.

On Friday, May 18, The Great One revealed to us previously hidden knowledge in his article, Nanobots, 666, and eternal life?.

Like any good conspiratorial Church of God prophet, The Great Bwana To Africa sets about to instill fear about nanobots. But, since everything he posts has to always mention himself, he says this:

Let me add that back in 1966, my parents took me the the drive-in theater to watch a movie titled Fantastic Voyage where people were somehow shrunk to go into a microscopic submarine to remove a clot in someone’s brain. 
While people cannot be shrunk like that, here is some general information from Wikipedia on the nanorobotics:

Nanoid robotics, or for short, nanorobotics or nanobotics, is an emerging technology field creating machines or robots, which are called nanorobots or simply nanobots, whose components are at or near the scale of a nanometer (10−9meters).[1][2][3] More specifically, nanorobotics (as opposed to microrobotics) refers to the nanotechnology engineering discipline of designing and building nanorobots with devices ranging in size from 0.1 to 10 micrometres and constructed of nanoscale or molecular components.[4][5] The terms nanobot, nanoid, nanite, nanomachine and nanomite have also been used to describe such devices currently under research and development.[6][7]
Nanomachines are largely in the research and developmentphase,[8] but some primitive molecular machines and nanomotors have been tested. (Nanorobotics. Wikipedia, accessed 05/17/24)

Whew! I am glad he cleared that up! Here all along I thought humans could shrink down to remove clots from brains! Satan surely is a wiley dude! So deceptive!

The Great Bwana Bob goes on to quote the favorite doomsday evangelical Michael T Snyder, whom the conspiratorial-laden Church of God considers a modern-day truth sayer, even though he is a so-called Christian. It's funny how Armstrongists always make exceptions to their rules when someone they find in the world fits their narrative, but that's another topic altogether.

The Great Bwana Bob Mzungu wet his holistic knickers when he found Michael T Snyder had posted this headline: We Are Being Warned That Nanobots Will Be Flowing Through Our Bodies “By 2030” And Will Be Used To Connect Our Brains To The Internet

Once thousands of nanobots are zipping around inside your body, will you still be in control of your mind, will and emotions or will the nanobots be running the show? According to Google, a nanobot is “a hypothetical, very small, self-propelled machine, especially one that has some degree of autonomy and can reproduce”. Scientists here in the United States have been working on nanobots that can travel through our bodies at astonishing speeds, deliver medicines to targeted locations, and even enter our brain cells. Eventually, researchers hope to use nanobots to connect our brains directly to the Internet. …

Being God's most important prophet ever, The Great Bwana's brain immediately sprung into action and came up with this conspiratorial scenario, as only an Armstrongist could:

Being connected to the internet that way would pose many risks. The “by 2030” comment is interesting as a totalitarian system is likely to be in place then.
The Bible warns that a totalitarian system will be put in place:

15 He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666. (Revelation 13:15-18) 
When Jesus had the Apostle John pen this 1900+ years ago, there was no way to monitor most buying and selling. With computer software, including AI, much is already being done, and more will be done. Perhaps nanobots will be a mark of the beast. 
We will see.

The good ol'mark-of-the-beast! What would the Church of God do without it? 

The Great Bwana, the all-knowing one, then goes on to talk about how nanobots will not extend human life and help people to live forever. He says:

The belief seems to be that nanobots will one day be able to figure out everything that promotes aging and death in the human body and fix it so one never dies. 
An obviously worldly hope. 
But, no, nanobots do not hold the key to eternal life. 
Jesus does...

Christians have never thought otherwise, but this is a new concept to the conspiratorial Church of God's self-appointed prophets. 

The Great Bwana to Africa and his occasional 100 Caucasians then makes this shocking revelation:

Nanobots do not believe in Jesus as Savior nor do they have the ability to keep God’s commandments.


Well, CRAP! How could we have been so deceived all these years? 

Nanobots don't keep sabbath? 

Nanobots commit adultery and covet other nanobots? 

Satan sure is a crafty dude! How could we have all been so easily deceived?


Friday, May 17, 2024

Is It Wrong For A Christian To Doubt?

"When one permits DOUBTS to enter his thoughts and reasonings, he is on dangerous ground. He is thinking negatively. Whoever DOUBTS is damned. I want the reader to learn that lesson. 
"If one is not certain -- if he has not PROVED a doctrine or a fact -- then the teaching of God is, with open mind free from prejudice, to seek all the facts -- to PROVE it. This is not negative, but positive thinking and procedure. Doubting is not proving. Doubting is not intelligent! It is negative thinking about something one does not know enough about to warrant this form of unfounded disbelief." - Herbert W Armstrong, Autobiography Volume 1

When it came to Herbert Armstrong there seemed to be NOTHING that church members could ever do that was right. Do you honestly remember any time he did a sermon praising members for being strong in the faith, doing good in their lives, and following God faithfully? 

All we got was one miserable shouting sermon after another with jowls flapping and a face red with anger. as he pounded the podium/desk in anger. "You just don't get it!"

Herbert's comment that whoever doubts is damned is absurd and just one more link in the chain of cultish mind control of the church.

The very essence of faith produces questions to a believer and doubt is working through the questions. Doubt is not a dirty five-letter word. Doubt is not some dark struggle that we need to keep secret. If we are honest, all believers experience doubt at varying times and in varying degrees in their faith life.

Think about all the examples of people in scripture who doubted. Two examples stand out in the New Testament. Thomas who is often referred to as "doubting Thomas" and John the Baptist. You could really call Thomas a realist because he just wanted to see to believe. He said, "Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe." I can relate to him.

John the Baptist began doubting after hard circumstances came into his life. He found himself sitting in prison for doing what was right and standing for truth. In prison he began to have doubts so he sent two of his disciples to Jesus and asked, "Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another?" In his doubt, he was questioning if Jesus was actually the Savior that he had believed in.

In both instances Jesus did not respond with disgust, by telling them they were wrong, or by making them feel embarrassed or ashamed. Instead, His response was to help them through their doubts and to fix the missing element in their faith. Thomas needed to see to believe so Jesus showed him His hands and His side and told him to touch the wounds. John the Baptist just needed to take time to remember. Jesus sent back the two disciples to tell John, 
Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see: The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them. 
Remembering these facts resolved John's doubt and strengthened his faith. Is it ok for a Christian to doubt?  
I have heard church members claim they have never had a day of doubt. They say they have proven all they were taught as true and have nothing further to worry about. Talk about foolish thinking! It's like the Mormons who talk about feeling "a burning in their bosom" so they do not need to prove anything else or question.

Truthfully, the church was NOT a safe place to let doubt be known. The second you did you were looked at as a backslider or lukewarm in the faith. Even worse, you were labeled as a Laodicean, the ultimate epithet of the church. The church quickly and efficiently shut you down. If you dare to doubt then you dare to doubt what the minister or Dear Leader says and they cannot have that happening! Proper church government, remember! Doubt means you do not respect church government and that is the ultimate sin, one step above the unpardonable sin.

Many faithful honest Christians talk about seasons of doubt in their lives as they walk through the desert.

If you’ve struggled with doubt or are currently struggling with it, before you do anything else, you simply must know that going through these seasons — those ones that wreck you about Jesus and God — is normal.

And not only is it normal, but it’s also necessary.

Doubts are the growing pains of the faith. It’s always been that way. They’re usually seasons of discomfort, and sometimes they bring us to tears. It’s real pain. But they’re seasons we must endure if we want to grow in our faith. Is it Okay to Doubt God?

One of the best stories in the bible is about a man seeking Jesus to heal his epileptic son. He said he believed but yet needed help in his unbelief (doubts).

For those coming out of Armstrongism (or any other church, for that matter) with their faith shattered, finding community with others who struggled with doubt was a refreshing thing to behold. Sharing that doubt, talking about it, mulling it over, spitting out that which was no longer needed, and struggling with others who found ways to overcome doubt is a wonderful journey. A journey where one finally realizes that doubt is a good thing and creates space for learning, investigating, mulling it over, and discarding the useless things that really have no meaning or bearing on one's Christian walk. God knows there were a LOT of useless things in Armstrongism that are not necessary for an honest Christian or doubter.

Many left the church because they felt the church was an unsafe place to question or have doubts. How can you trust a church that isn't honest and open? “Just have faith” and “don’t ask questions” are the mantras of the church and are believed by far too many, without any reservation, as biblical truth.
Doubt is often used as the opposite of faith in the church. But that isn't true. The opposite of faith is unbelief.

Even John the Baptist wrestled with doubt:

Near the end of his life, John was in prison facing imminent death. He called two of his disciples and requested that they go to Jesus and ask, “Are you the one who is to come, or shall we look for another?” (Luke 7:19). John was essentially saying, “I think I believe you’re the Messiah, but in this moment, I’m not 100 percent sure.” 
Really? After all John had seen and testified about? After calling Jesus the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world? After hearing the Father’s audible voice identifying Jesus as his Son? After all that, the precursor to the Savior himself doubts that Jesus is the actual Savior? 

Now, such facts about John the Baptist might make someone scoff at his lack of faith. If I’m honest, though, I’m comforted by his doubt. Why? Because if he could doubt and admit it plainly—to the point that it’s recorded in Holy Scripture—surely I have liberty to doubt and be candid about it, too.
John’s doubt means I’m free from the shame of admitting my own. I’m free to honestly stumble along in faith, knowing God is big enough to handle it when I quake.

And let’s not forget how Jesus responded to John’s questions: he was patient and gracious. He wasn’t turned off by John’s sudden doubt. He calmly answered the question and gave assurance that he was the Messiah (Luke 7:21–23).  My Comfort in John the Baptist’s Doubt

Armstrongism taught us to pray harder or more often to alleviate doubt, and of course read everything the church published, since it had ALL the answers. All that really did was make the questions even louder causing the shame and unworthyness to set in.

Christians should take stock of the fact that all of the disciples wallowed in doubt, especially at the end. Did that doubt lead them away from faith, or from being a follower of Jesus? It did not and neither should you worry if you have doubts. The true enemy of the faith is not doubt but fear. Armstrongism lived in a world of fear. Christians live in the world of grace. A world where doubt has a home.


The Lord's Day in Revelation 1:10

The Lord's Day in Revelation 1:10

In his infamous booklet, The Book of Revelation Unveiled at Last!, Herbert Armstrong wrote: "And so here is the very KEYNOTE verse, sounding the THEME of the whole Revelation! And it is here that most people begin to stumble, and to misunderstand! The theme is THE DAY OF THE LORD. Let us read it: 'I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet' (verse 10). As this is not understood, endless controversy and strife and confusion have come from arguing as to whether the day of the WEEK on which John WROTE this message was Saturday or Sunday. John was NOT referring to any day of the week. The day of the week on which this happened to be written - IF it could have been all written within one day - is not important, and that is not what this verse means at all. It does NOT refer to any day of the week - but to that prophetic period referred to in more than 30 prophecies as 'The Great and Terrible Day of the Lord.'" Armstrong made clear which of the three ways which various Christians have interpreted this passage that he subscribed to - the prophetic "Day of the Lord." So, the question is: Was Herbert Armstrong right? OR Does the reference refer to the day on which John received the Revelation? AND If so, can we know if he was referring to Saturday or Sunday?

In the first of six answers to the question "What is 'the Lord's Day' in Revelation 1:10?" on Biblical Hermeneutics, we read:

It's unlikely that John intended the phrase to refer to the 'day of the Lord' as found in the prophets.
While the phrase found in Revelation 1:10 isn't found elsewhere in the New Testament, the phrase "day of the Lord" is found in several places. When the phrase is used elsewhere in the New Testament, the grammar matches that found in the prophets. In 1 Thessalonians 5:2, for instance, the phrase 'day of the Lord' is ἡμέρα κυρίου, where κυρίου (Lord) is in the genitive case. The same is true in 2 Peter 3:10. In the LXX, the phrase 'day of the Lord' always appears with the genitive case. 
In Revelation 1:10, the phrase used is κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ, where κυριακῇ is in the dative case and is being used as an adjective. This doesn't rule out the possibility of it referring to the same thing, but it does make it highly unlikely and puts the proof of burden on those who would claim otherwise. Authors tend to retain phraseology when it carries a heavy theological weight. 
The context also suggests that John does not intend to refer to the eschatological 'day of the Lord' found in the prophets. The phrase in the prophets is accompanied by a dread of expectation and judgement. Yet John's experience, while disturbing, is not shaped after the day of the Lord but after Daniel's experiences with his visions."

This answer is also reinforced by references to the "Day of the Lord" in the Hebrew Scriptures. In the book of Isaiah, we read: "Wail, for the day of the Lord is near; as destruction from the Almighty it will come!" (Isaiah 13:6, ESV) And, in the ninth verse of the same chapter, "Behold, the day of the Lord comes, cruel, with wrath and fierce anger, to make the land a desolation and to destroy its sinners from it." (Isaiah 13:9, ESV) Likewise, in the book of Jeremiah, we read: "That day is the day of the Lord God of hosts, a day of vengeance, to avenge himself on his foes. The sword shall devour and be sated and drink its fill of their blood. For the Lord God of hosts holds a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates." (Jeremiah 46:10, ESV) Also, in the prophet Joel, we read: "Alas for the day! For the day of the Lord is near, and as destruction from the Almighty it comes." (Joel 1:15, ESV) Likewise, in the book of Amos, we read: "Woe to you who desire the day of the Lord! Why would you have the day of the Lord? It is darkness, and not light..." (Amos 5:18, ESV) In the prophet Zephaniah, we read: "The great day of the Lord is near, near and hastening fast; the sound of the day of the Lord is bitter; the mighty man cries aloud there." (Zephaniah 1:14, ESV) And, finally, in the prophet Zechariah, we read: "Behold, a day is coming for the Lord, when the spoil taken from you will be divided in your midst. For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city shall be taken and the houses plundered and the women raped. Half of the city shall go out into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be cut off from the city." (Zechariah 14:1-2, ESV)

Hence, we see that the "Day of the Lord" referred to a particular event in the Hebrew Scriptures - a terrible time at the end of the age of humankind. Now, while the book of Revelation includes this event within the context of the many predictions that are made there, we can clearly discern that it is NOT the theme of the entire book! In other words, there is a great deal more contained in those pages than the story of the "Day of the Lord."

In one of the supplemental answers on the same website referenced above, we read:

kuriakē(i) (LSJ) (from κυριακῇ ἡμέρᾳ) is an adjectival form of kurios, 'lord', which could be rendered 'lordly' (on analogy of 'royal' = 'kingly', roughly!). As the adjective "royal" indicates something belonging to the monarch ("the royal palace"), so kuriakos indicates something belonging to the 'lord'...

...Some other early Christian writings use the Rev 1:10 phrase. In Didache 14:1, for example: 
'On the Lord's Day of the Lord come together, break bread and hold Eucharist, after confessing your transgressions that your offering may be pure' 
Which precise day is in mind of these options (first day? Sabbath day? Easter Day?) is not specified. However, one or two of the early Christian apocryphal writings are explicit about which day this is, e.g. Acts of Peter, in the prologue [scroll down to second line of I. THE COPTIC FRAGMENT]: 
'On the first day of the week, that is, on the Lord's day...'

Moreover, as the word "sabbaton" (Sabbath) appears sixty-eight times in the Greek New Testament, it seems very unlikely that John would use the "Lord's Day" to describe the Sabbath. Hence, the notion that this revelation was given to John on a Sunday seems the most plausible and likely conclusion about its usage in Revelation 1:10.

Miller Jones/Lonnie Hendrix

Thursday, May 16, 2024

Gaslighting in the COG: When the questioner is the problem


How many times have we heard these phrases!

Crackpot Prophet claims to be turning the hearts of the children to their fathers through his animations


It's another day in paradise and God's most important prophet to ever walk this earth is presently turning the hearts of the fathers to their children and the children to their fathers. How amazing, considering the youth, teens and young adults will look at his rather sad animations and just laugh. Even more fun will ensue when he takes this to TikTok! Isn't the Great Bwana Bob Mzungu Thiel an amazing person!!!!!!!!

YouTube Shorts as Animations
Consistent with biblical admonitions, we need to reach and teach who we can (Matthew 28:19-20) as well as “turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers” (Malachi 4:6) we utilize many methods 
In the 21st century, animations are one way to do that for youth, teens, and young adults. 
With shorter and shorter attention spans, we decided to try something we have had not tried before. 
We have reworked some of our animations to produce what are called ‘YouTube Shorts.’

In the past week or so, we have put up dozens of short animations for ‘YouTube Shorts.’ You can find them at the CCOG Animations Channel
We have had over 15,000 total views on these in the past week! 
We plan to modify future ones to make it easier for viewers to get more information. 
We are also laying the ground work to go on the platform called TikTok. 

Malachi 4:6 will be fulfilled before Jesus returns.

Did Armstrongism Lead You To Moral Reasoning And Ethical Behavior?

 From the Unfundamentalist Facebook page.

For those recovering from fundamentalism.

What are your thoughts? 

Did the constant reminders of losing your salvation for some indiscretion that was taught in Armstrongism lead to moral reasoning and ethical behavior?

Wednesday, May 15, 2024

Yisrayl Hawkins Took Armstrongite Craziness To A New Level


It has been a while since we have featured Yisrayl Hawkins here. He was a former Church of God member who started the House of Yahweh in Abeline Texas. It is a sacred names group that is considered by most to be a borderline dangerous cult. Hawkins also died in 2021 and like Herbert Armstrong, his writings are regarded as sacred scripture worthy of being promulgated to the world as truth.

Hawkins was like Fred Coulter in that he produced his own version of the Bible that he claimed was corrupted by none other than those evil Catholics, the bogeymen of all things fearful in Armstrongism. His take on how the Bible was formed and its canonization is about as crazy as Bob Thiel's take on it all.

He changed the names of many of the names of the Bible to fit his sacred names nonsense.

These are all quotes from the latest cult magazine, The Prophetic Word.

ISAYAH 34:16 
Search out The Book of Yahweh, and read. Not one of these will be neglected.
For it is written: Yahweh is their shepherd; for His mouth has commanded it, and His spirit has gathered them. 
The Book of Yahweh is the complete writings of the inspired prophets of Yahweh and the apostles of Yahshua Messiah, all in one Book. However, many are unfamiliar with The Book of Yahweh because it was taken to Rome during the removal of The House of Yahweh (Temple) in Jerusalem, and hidden in Rome for over 1,500 years. Later, the Catholic Church was forced to let a rendition (King James version) of it out to the public but only with the true Names of the Creator, Yahweh and the Savior, Yahshua replaced with the titles Lord and God. 
Many hours of research went into restoring The Book of Yahweh, which was made available in 1987 by The House of Yahweh in Abilene, Texas. For more information about the history behind the conspiracy of the Catholic Church to take away the pure word of Yahweh, call, write or email The House of Yahweh.

The craziness continues:


In the 1970s, Yisrayl Hawkins spoke to his family about reestablishing The House of Yahweh; so, the decision was made to cast lots to determine if it was indeed Yahweh’s will for His Work to begin again. From that very lot casting the keeping of the weekly Sabbath and ordained Feasts at the homestead started. Shortly thereafter, what is now known as the pressroom was built on a ten acre plot on T&P Lane in Abilene TX.

Yisrayl, having worked in a press shop in his youth, alongside seeing the mistranslations in the King James version of the bible, wanted to write a scriptural commentary like the ones he had read in bible college. Therefore, printing would become and continue as a mainstay in the Last Days’ Work of Yahweh.

During the early 1980s, Yisrayl edited the book he had written in 1976, which would be called The Mark of the Beast. His desire had always been to fulfill the Word of Yahweh, as taught to him from the womb. Yahweh’s Two Witnesses, Yaaqob and Yisrayl, had seen the name Yahweh at the very top of the title page of the 1611 King James version in the Hertel bible during the 1950s.

Yisrayl knew from scripture that the message of Yahweh must be preached to all the world (Mattithyah 24:14) and published throughout all nations (Yahchanan Mark 13:10). So while the work was slowly building, it was with those scriptures in mind that Yisrayl used the inspiration of Yahweh to create The Prophetic Word magazine (Yeremyah 23:36).

In all these Prophetic Word Magazines, Yisrayl Hawkins had a sense of urgency in warning the world of what rejecting Yahweh’s Laws will bring, and the peace obtained by accepting and following those same Laws 

And more:


The word Catholic means universal, showing they worship all Gods, bar none. However, they do not worship Yahweh because Yahweh is not a God. Yahweh is the Creator and is the only Being responsible for the creation of mankind. Yahweh is the only Being Who has a Plan for mankind. Notice:


Then Yahweh said: I will make man in My Image, according to My Likeness; they will have Authority over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, over the cattle, and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.

Satan is female:


The serpent and her Gods are not in unity with Yahweh. They had high positions in the universe and left them. They were totally rebellious and undependable. For full details call, write, or email and ask how to acquire the sermons about the sons of Yahweh who left their first estate. 

The words in the Bible that refer to  God and Lord is a Catholic conspiracy.

Satan deceives the whole world? It’s shown in:


1 Now the serpent was more subtle and crafty than any beast of the field which Yahweh had made. And she said to the woman; Has Yahweh indeed said: You shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2 And the woman said to the serpent; We can eat the fruit of the trees of the garden;

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, Yahweh has said: You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, or you will die.

4 And the serpent said to the woman; You will not surely die.

5 For He knows that in the day you eat of it, your eyes will be opened, and you will be as Gods (elohim), knowing righteousness and evil.

Does that seem at all like the Gods and Satan are in unity with Yahweh? Of course not! When the Roman Catholic Church removed the Name Yahweh and replaced it with the words God and Lord was that at Yahweh’s request? Of course not! 

And more craziness:

The whole world is worshipping Gods today because this religious system removed The Book of Yahweh from the whole world in 70 A.Y. (After Yahshua). At that time, they also murdered about three million Sabbath keepers, and removed the very stones of The House of Yahweh, which they called the Temple, because they hated Yahweh and Yahshua. 

Hawkins's abomination is forbidden reading at the Vatican... 

The Book of Yahweh was only introduced in English in 1987, but it’s still forbidden by the Vatican.  

The Vatican no more cares about Hawkins's abomination than it does about what Bob Thiel preaches. Armstrongite leaders think too highly of themselves. 

I just love it when Armstrongists think they are God's gift to the world and that their writings are so superfantabulous that it ticks off the Catholics (Yes, Bob I am also speaking of you).

The Sabbaths, written in your bible, are a sign between you and Yahweh. That sign is that those who keep these appointments—Yahweh’s Sabbaths and Feasts—belong to Yahweh and have been set apart for Yahweh’s Plan. Satan and the Gods do not want you to keep these appointments; that is, Satan, the Gods, the Coptic Catholics, who called themselves Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, and Herodians before they made their move to the seven hills of Rome where they took back the name Catholic. Catholic means universal, showing they worship all Gods and belong to the devil. Read this in your own bible and believe.

I YAHCHANAN 3:4, 7-8, 10

4 Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Laws; for sin is the transgression of the Laws.

7 Little children, let no man deceive you; he who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.

8 He who commits sin is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of Yahweh was manifested; that He might destroy the works of the devil.

10 In this the Children of Yahweh and the children of the devil are manifest. Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of Yahweh, and he does not love his neighbor!

You should now start understanding why the popes hate The Book of Yahweh so much and why they did not want it translated for the people. Six million Sabbath- keepers were murdered in Germany alone. Three million were murdered in Israyl in 70 A.Y. when the Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, and Herodians made their complete move to Rome.

Right on cue, Hawkins, like Bob Thiel, Dave Pack, Gerald Flurry, and Ron Weinland believed he was one of the two witless witnesses. How many of these looney tunes does the church need in its midst? After all, Samuel Kitchen and Aaron Dean are the two witnesses so we should stop looking for others right now!

The Prophet Daniyl was shown two men preaching the prophecies in this prophesied generation. 
DANIYL 12:4-10
4 But you, O Daniyl, shut up the words, and seal the Book to the time of The End; many will run to and fro, and knowledge will be increased.
5 Then I, Daniyl, looked; and behold, there stood two others, one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river.
6 And said to the man clothed in linen, who on that future day is teaching: How long will it be to the end of these wonders?
7 Then I heard the man clothed in linen, who on that future day is teaching, when he held up his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and vowed by Him Who lives forever, that: It will be for a time, times, and a half, when Yahweh will have accomplished pouring out His Power through His righteous people, all these things will be finished.
8 So I heard, but I did not understand. Then I said; O my ruler, what will be the end of these things?
9 But he said: Go your way, Daniyl, for the words are closed up and sealed until the time of The End.
10 Many will be purified, and made white, and tried; tested; but the wicked will do wickedly; and none of the wicked will understand, but the wise will understand. 
Verses 5-6 – two others teaching. All other prophecies show these two as the Two Witnesses. Yahweh’s Prophet Isayah shows these two brothers are given their names by Yahweh. The younger of these two brothers was born August 28, 1934. 
Another prophecy shows the actions of these two brothers, whom Yahweh refers to as My Two Witnesses. The prophecies show the Two Witnesses will bring to the public The House of Yahweh in this same generation. 
1 But in the Last Days it will come to pass that the mountain; promotion, of The House of Yahweh will be established in the chief of the nations. It will be raised above all congregations; and all peoples will eventually flow to it. 
2 And many people will go and say; Come, and let us go up to the mountain; uplifting, of Yahweh, and to the House of the Father of Yaaqob, and He will teach us of His Ways, and we will walk in His Paths. Because the Laws will depart from Zion, and the Word of Yahweh from Yerusalem.

3 And He will judge between many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they will beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, nor will they learn war anymore.

Did you notice where The House of Yahweh would be established? This prophecy shows The House of Yahweh will not be established in the nation Israyl, but rather in the United States of America.


Is this a valid will for House of Yahweh leader? Yisrayl Hawkins leaves behind 30+ kids, 200 properties, $5 million in assets