Saturday, March 5, 2022

UCG Council of Elders Refuse To Reconfirm Vic Kubik For A Fourth Term

From a reader:

Mr. Kubik's "Letter from the President" this week is quite transparent. He says he wanted a fourth term as President, but was "not reconfirmed" by the Council. A politely way of saying: you're fired. Mr. Kubik says he plans to retire, and probably move back to Indiana to spend the rest of his days running LifeNets. Best wishes to him for that - but I can't help thinking about other ministers who "retired" from UCG and wound up preaching elsewhere (like Mark Mickelson in Pacific COG).

Here is what Kubik wrote: 

As many know, my wife Beverly and I went through a major change in our lives this week. Len Martin, chairman of the Council of Elders, earlier announced that I was not reconfirmed by the Council to continue as President of the United Church of God, an International Association. Mr. Martin and the Council composed a statement, which was distributed shortly after the ballot and which you may have already seen.

He also writes:

As was relayed to me, one of the Ambassador Bible College (ABC) students heard the news and asked instructor Steve Myers, “What will Mr. Kubik do now?” Mr. Myers replied, “He will continue to serve God’s people, just in a different way.” 
That was well said and eloquently reflects our thoughts. 

And then makes this weird statement:  

To be certain, Bev and I are praying for a peaceful transfer, and that God will inspire and lead the new president. We ask and pray that you will do the same.

Is there trouble brewing under the surface in UCG?  Are we about to see another shitfest in a COG break out with more power-hungry men jostling with each other to see who makes head honcho? We have never seen that happen, have we? After all, UCG is the most unified and loving Church of God to ever hit the scene, after Bwana Bob's improperly named "continuing" Church of God, of course.

Kubik had wished to stay on for more years and do more of his pet projects, but now that he has been made redundant, those fantasies are out the window. 

To be honest, Beverly and I had wished to continue in this role and complete some projects that were in progress. But we accept this decision graciously. We are so thankful to have served nine years at the helm of the United Church of God. We will forever be thankful to God for this extended period of peace and stability in the Church of God. Our greatest blessing in the Church is you and the many personal relationships that we have shared with so many around the world.

As was noted by the reader above, Kubik will continue his good works with LifeNets:

I plan to retire from full-time work for the Church after the new president is named. As Mr. Martin mentioned in his letter, Bev and I founded LifeNets International 22 years ago, a humanitarian 501(c)(3) organization that has helped many thousands of people—including many Church members—around the world. We have been privileged to help so many people with education, habitat, mobility, food security, agriculture and fresh water—things that are easy to take for granted. We will continue that work. 
We also very much look forward to spending more time being grandparents. We had already discussed plans to move back to Indianapolis, where we once worked together in 1995 with many others to organize and found the United Church of God. 

He makes the next statement, like so many other COG's do as they add on burdensome laws and other old covenant pet doctrines, that he is saved by grace, even though he rarely ever talks about that dude that supposedly provided it.  

The knowledge of the truth and the ability to freely practice it and worship God remain the most important parts of our lives. We are saved by grace and the understanding of our incredible human potential—observing God’s way with the help of the Holy Spirit to become more like Him and be part of His Family—is and will always be a humbling focus for Bev and me.

As I close, I urge you to “draw near to God and He will draw near to you” (James 4:8). Seek Him through prayer and the study of His precious word. Pray for each other, pray for the Church, and remember that God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, One whose sacrifice opened the way to salvation, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life (John 3:16). God is love! (1 John 4:16) Paul instructs us: “Be imitators of God, therefore, as dearly loved children and live a life of love” (Ephesians 5:1-2, New International Version).

As UCG joins all the other COG's in their rapidly shrinking relevancy, what remains to be seen of them? Will they ever really accomplish anything good and fruitful?



Friday, March 4, 2022

Cry Baby False Prophet Still Letting Rod Meredith Live In His Head


The endless comedy routine that is Bwana Bob Thiel continues unabated as he is whining AGAIN about how Rod Meredith refused to listen to him when the all-knowing One tried to educate him about the "man of sin".  

Not only is the most important prophet to have ever lived in the entirety of Christendom still angry at Rod Meredith, but he is also pissed off at the Church of God the Eternal.

A while back (in its 3/8/19 newsletter), after making attacks against me (but without mentioning my name) CEG (Church of the Eternal God), a group whose leaders were once part of the old Global Church of God, then published the following:

the fact that the man of sin is not the beast, but the false prophet, 

If you are a Christian who stands firmly with the rest of Jesus Christ, as Christians have done for millennia, no one and I repeat NO ONE has to worry about WHO the 'man of sin is'.  It is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. It is still only relevant in the disturbed minds of certain false COG prophets and end-time speculators.

The Great Bwana and Savior of Africa yanks his homeopathic knickers higher than ever with more whining about Rod Meredith.

On multiple occasions from 2008-2012, I sent Dr. Meredith detailed biblical information explaining why the man of sin was not the second beast of Revelation 13, and until I saw the above, I never really received a negative response from him (though he had previously published older information with a similar position). Instead two leading LCG ministers (including at least one LCG evangelist) told me I was right about this. 
It is absurd that Dr. Meredith’s April 17, 2013 letter suggested that if one does not agree with the conclusion that the false prophet is the “man of sin” of 2 Thessalonians 2, then one does not understand prophecy. Dr. Meredith also called knowledge of this chapter VITAL. But is the man of sin the false prophet, the second beast of Revelation 13, or not? 
No, it is not, thus those who follow LCG or CEG (or RCG or COG-ff) are not following leaders that understand this element of biblical prophecy.

It's amazing how long Rod Meredith has retained residency in Bwana Bob's deluded mind.

Everyone in the COG's is wrong and needs to be educated by the Great Bwana to Africa. After all, he knows bests as teh greatest human prophet to ever exist in human history!

The man of sin is the ‘beast of the sea” (also known as the King of the North) and not the false prophet. 
Those in CEG, LCG, RCG, etc. really need to pay more attention to the scriptures related to that. 
Furthermore, groups such as COGWA, PCG, and UCG also have the identity wrong.

After a long tirade of useless drivel, he has this:

The truth about the identity of the man of sin is one that the CCOG has restored. 
In closing, let me add that leaders in both LCG and UCG told me in the past that the position that the ‘man of sin’ in 2 Thessalonians 2 is the King of the North Beast and is NOT the false prophet is correct, even though their respective organizations teach the opposite, essentially because of a misunderstood tradition. 
Jesus condemned religious leaders who relied on tradition over the word of God:

8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men. … All too well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition. (Mark 7:8-9)

Jesus more importantly condemned lying false prophets who set about trying to deceive church members with lies and false teachings. The lies of Bwana Bob are getting close to surpassing Dave Pack and Gerald Flurry's lies combined! 

Bwana Bob's butthurt is epic and demands that people acknowledge him as a true prophet of God, though no one does. LOL!

In the Continuing Church of God, “We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:” (2 Peter 1:19, KJV). 
Yet, sadly, most end time Christians are Laodicean and do NOT accept how the Bible shows that God works. 
The Bible shows that part of the final phase of the work is being done by God’s Spirit through His people (with God and angels directly handling other parts, e.g. Revelation 14:6-11), but many will not have the faith to believe:

Most Church of God members have enough understanding and faith to discern that Bwana Bob is a liar and a false prophet. That is why 99.99 % of the Church of God ever went with him.  Partially thanks to Rod Meredith and others lambasting him from the pulpit. Never has a self-appointed COG upstart been such a failure. The best part about Rod Meredith casting a shadow on Bwana Bob's name is that Bob had to learn about Rod Meredith's banishment of him from THIS blog! That had to have been the best moment in the 10 year run of this blog. That alone makes this all worthwhile!


Thursday, March 3, 2022

What Happens If LCG Members Grow In Wisdom And Realize They Dont Need To Stay In The Church?

Doug Winnail says that LCG members need to grow in more wisdom. LCG faces a problem if this happens because once LCG members grow in that wisdom they will realize they no longer need to tithe to the organization. After all, wisdom is more precious than rubies or gold. If you grow in wisdom and finally realize that tithing is not a New Covenant command, imagine how freeing that would be. Even better, growing in wisdom will lead many, if not most, out of the church. 

The Need for Wisdom: Solomon wrote that one of the most important goals in life is to gain wisdom (Proverbs 4:7), and that wisdom is more precious than rubies or gold (Proverbs 8:11; 16:16). The book was written to help others gain wisdom (Proverbs 1:1–6), and the key to gaining wisdom is developing the proper fear of God—having a sincere desire to follow His instructions (Proverbs 1:7; 9:10). Wisdom helps us discern between right and wrong and leads to happiness and a longer life (Proverbs 2:10–11; 3:13–16). As Jesus grew up, He “increased in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men” (Luke 2:52) and He obviously followed advice in Proverbs (2:1–5). We are instructed to ask God for wisdom (James 1:5) and to study the Scriptures “which are able to make you wise” (2 Timothy 3:14–17). Do a word study of “wise” and “wisdom” to gain a better understanding of this vital subject. As you grow in wisdom, you will develop one of the very attributes of God and Jesus Christ (Job 9:4; Romans 16:27). 
Have a profitable Sabbath, Douglas S. Winnail

Crackpot Prophet Proclaims: " an ordained prophet; the only known such ordained prophet in any legitimate Church of God group"


It has only been a few weeks, days, hours, minutes since we have mentioned our great and illustrious Bwana Bob Thiel here, the Saviour of Africa and 304 Caucasians, so here we are again. šŸ˜ˆ

God's greatest gift to humanity since Moses and Herbert Armstrong is back AGAIN trying to prove to us that he is a true prophet of Gawd.

After several decades with the Worldwide Church of God, Global Church of God, and Living Church of God refusing to ordain him, our Great Bwana had to self-appoint himself up as the only true prophet on the earth today.

Bwana Bob is so desperate in his need for validity that he regularly has to publish articles quoting Norm Edwards and other Church of God heretics as his proof of legitimacy.

Former Global Church of God board member says PRIDE is the reason most in the COGs will not accept a true prophet

What really frosts Bwana Bob's homeopathic knickers is that the Church of God movement only looks at him with derision and apathy. Never has the Church of God had a more useless prophet in its midst than what it has today! It is all our fault and not his. He claims that anyone who rejects him is prideful. Yes, you heard that right, PRIDEFUL!  Not only PRIDEFUL but LAODICEAN PRIDEFUL! Oh, Noes!!!!!  A double whammy condemnation!

Mind you, this is coming from a man who constantly seeks to have his ego stroked and be admired by everyone in the church as a prophet and leader of the ONLY true church. His endless, "look at me" postings drive that point him at a shockingly frequent rate.

Norman Edwards was the editor for Shepherd’s Voice magazine. He is not part of the Continuing Church of God, where, I function as its human leader (and am an ordained prophet; the only known such ordained prophet in any legitimate Church of God group). 
While Norman Edwards and I have long disagreed about aspects of church governance and various matters of doctrine, we both agree that many who are in or claim to be in the Church of God (COG) wrongly do not accept that God has any prophets today and that Laodicean pride gets in the way. We also agree that most have severe difficulty identifying one who really is a prophet because of various unscriptural biases and improper criteria that they have. 
Because of false prophets in a couple of COG-related groups and a disbelief in prophets by most of the COG groups, the non-Philadelphian COGs have a lot of severe prophetic misunderstandings.

Yes, brethren, Bwana Bob says you are too STUPID to understand why he is a prophet. 

Remember that the Bible teaches:

7 Surely the Lord God does nothing, Unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets. ( Amos 3:7) 
So in the last days, groups who do not believe there are prophets or those who listen to false prophets will not understand.

Norm Edwards has no more legitimacy as a spokesman for God than Bob Thiel does. While Edwards is certainly better at doing "good works" than Thiel is, it still doesn't mean he preaches truth.

Bwana Bob goes on to let his pride take over, again, when he whines about LCG and UCG ignoring him when he sought to "correct" them. because these leaders failed to acknowledge his magnificent words of instruction Bwana Bob's god is going to close their minds to be able to understand when it is time to flee to Petra or some other hell hole that Bwana Bob's god has set aside for them.

Some will come up with their preferred rationale as why not to agree with the position of the Continuing Church of God (CCOG) on these matters. Yet not only is CCOG’s position biblical, it should be noted that leaders in the Living Church of God and/or the United Church of God confirmed to me personally that I was biblically correct on nearly all of the above points, despite the fact that their respective churches hold to several of the errors pointed out above. Those who rely too much on a compromised ministry (Ezekiel 34:7-10) to teach them prophecy that is not truly in accordance with scripture need to realize that according to Jesus’ words in Revelation 2 & 3 and Luke 21, only relatively few Christians will be protected from the hour of trial that will come upon the whole world. 
As Norman Edward’s article points out, it is scriptural to now have prophets according to the New Testament. But many who truly believe that they live by the word of God have discounted or overlooked what the Bible actually teaches and/or have been influenced by others who have done the same or worse. The COG has at least one demonstrably true prophet today, yet most in the greater COG world seem to be able to ignore the truth about that, like most ignored John the Baptist and others in their day. 
Pride is a bigger problem for Christians than most realize.


Wednesday, March 2, 2022

CGI: Bill Watson – A Traditionalist?

Bill Watson – A Traditionalist?

I apparently hit a nerve when I characterized CGI’s Pastor Bill Watson as a traditionalist. For those who may not have read (or remembered) my post on the Church of God International’s messaging problem, I outlined the ongoing struggle between the folks within that organization’s leadership who see real problems with some of Herbert Armstrong’s theology (I called them reformers), and those who embrace most of his teachings (I called them traditionalists).

According to Bill, such characterizations are misguided and misleading. He insists that the stark differences which many of us have discerned in the messaging of the two camps are really illusions and are not indicative of real discord.

Last Sabbath, Bill delivered the second part of his message on the twelfth chapter of Romans, Processing Unity by Love. For the pastor, the key passage from this chapter is: “Just as our bodies have many parts and each part has a special function, so it is with Christ’s body. We are many parts of one body, and we all belong to each other. In his grace, God has given us different gifts for doing certain things well.” (Verses 4-6) In other words, just because Bill’s messaging is different that doesn’t mean it’s bad. Unfortunately, the pastor seems to be conflating gifts and messaging and doesn’t understand the real differences between the two.

To underscore his point, Watson also referenced Paul’s first letter to the saints of Corinth. Specifically, the pastor was interested in the place where the apostle wrote: “I appeal to you, dear brothers and sisters, by the authority of our Lord Jesus Christ, to live in harmony with each other. Let there be no divisions in the church. Rather, be of one mind, united in thought and purpose. For some members of Chloe’s household have told me about your quarrels, my dear brothers and sisters. Some of you are saying, ‘I am a follower of Paul.’ Others are saying, ‘I follow Apollos,’ or ‘I follow Peter,’ or ‘I follow only Christ.’” (I Corinthians 1:10-12) Apparently, this was meant to refute my observation that the reformers had the preferred or correct messaging. Notice, however, that Paul was talking about folks who expressed loyalties and/or preferences for one personality over another. There is no indication here that Paul was talking about differences in the messaging of the various leaders he mentioned.

To be clear, Paul believed that different people within the church had different offices/functions/gifts/talents to contribute to the edification of “the body.” Nevertheless, Paul believed that there was only ONE message that was acceptable for a minister of Jesus Christ to be preaching. Paul said that they all preached “Christ crucified” (I Corinthians 1:23). He wrote to the saints of Galatia: “I am shocked that you are turning away so soon from God, who called you to himself through the loving mercy of Christ. You are following a different way that pretends to be the Good News but is not the Good News at all. You are being fooled by those who deliberately twist the truth concerning Christ. Let God’s curse fall on anyone, including us or even an angel from heaven, who preaches a different kind of Good News than the one we preached to you. I say again what we have said before: If anyone preaches any other Good News than the one you welcomed, let that person be cursed.” (Galatians 1:6-9)

Hence, I say again: “A message to the English-speaking peoples of the earth which is focused on warning them about their sins and God’s impending wrath is NOT the equivalent of teaching all nations about Christ and his teachings and baptizing them into the Church in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit! The headline theology (preoccupation with current events and prophecy) and political messaging of Bill and his allies is NOT appropriate messaging. In other words, this is not some benign and/or superficial difference which should be overlooked by folks inside and outside of the Church! These folks are NOT simply filling a necessary and beneficial niche that others have ignored or overlooked!

Indeed, Bill’s reaction to the “traditionalist” and “Armstrongist” labels is particularly telling in this regard. He throws out several straw men in his attempt to make those labels appear ridiculous. He suggests that if his support for Holy Day observance, the Torah, rejection of paganism, or his belief in the resurrection of the dead means that he’s a traditionalist or Armstrongist – then so be it! For the record, my posts have NOT taken Bill to task for his positions on ANY of those issues. Instead, I have questioned his messaging about British-Israelism, warning Israel, culture wars, headline theology, right-wing politics, conspiracy theories, and Covid-19 public health measures.

Unfortunately, Bill’s messaging has gone “off the rails” over the last decade. Once again, it is INAPPROPRIATE for a minister of Jesus Christ to be discoursing on these topics! Moreover, when Bill’s messaging returns to his former focus on salvation through Jesus Christ, he will NEVER hear another peep out of me (and he won’t have to worry about unity in the church either)!

Lonnie Hendrix

Tuesday, March 1, 2022

The Gates of Your Enemies: Anglo-Israelism and the Problem of Iberia


The Gates of Your Enemies:

Anglo-Israelism and the Problem of Iberia

By NeoTherm


Anglo-Israelism is a shaky theoretical structure but nowhere is it more vulnerable than in its treatment of Iberia: Spain, Portugal, and the Basque country. This opinion piece focuses on the people of the Iberian Peninsula and their erroneous categorization by the followers of the Armstrongist version of Anglo-Israelism.  And this evokes a memory for me of an old World Tomorrow Broadcast.  It was sometime in the Seventies and Garner Ted Armstrong (GTA) mentioned how that the fairest portions of the world were given to “Israel” (Northwest and North Europeans).  And this included lands in the temperate zones in both the northern and southern hemispheres.  Then he referred to Argentina, located in a temperate zone, as if it were an “Israelitish” nation.  I remember mentioning this to a fellow Worldwide Church of God (WCG) member at the next Sabbath service and we found it an interesting departure.  But I never, ever heard this mentioned again in my 30 years of membership.  But, at that one point in time long ago, there was a hint of insight In GTA’s statement that I believe briefly and gingerly acknowledged historical fact that would require a revision to Anglo-Israelism.  Let me hasten to add, that this opinion piece invokes the views of Classical Armstrongism.  Post-Classical Armstrongism, as now practiced by the various denominations derived from the now-defunct WCG, may have updated views on this topic.  Throughout this writing, the term “Anglo-Israelism” refers to the Armstrongist version of Anglo-Israelism as documented in Herbert W. Armstrong’s book “The United States and British Commonwealth in Prophecy”, 1967.  The term “Israelitish” in quotations marks refers to the putative descendants of Biblical Israel as defined in Armstrongist Anglo-Israelism. 


 Iberia: Global Sea Power, Colonies and Sea Gates


Spain and Portugal both became major sea powers before Britain.  Both became global colonial powers prior to Britain’s ascendancy.  Both became a “company” of nations. And both Spain and Portugal controlled many strategic sea gates.  It is useful to have a look at a map of the colonies that the Iberians established around the globe.  Such maps can be found on the web. At their zenith, both Iberian nations held a collection of strategically placed sea gates and colonies that is quite impressive especially when considering that one putative “Israelitish” nation is landlocked.  The following statement is from the World Atlas website:


“In fact, Spain held 35 colonies at various points in history, exacting its power so widely it was called "the empire on which the sun never sets," an expression that also began to be used in reference to Great Britain when the latter's prominence overcame Spain's.” (Note 1)


Anglo-Israelism makes much of the idea of controlling “sea gates” as a marker for the identity of “Israel” (Genesis 22:17).  Spinning the commonplace Hebrew idea of “gate” into the imperialist “sea gate” just happens to fit nicely into the British colonial expansion scenario.  In Hebrew, the word translated as “gate” has no maritime connotations.  It simply means gate.  City gates were a place of city government and public gathering.  They were also weak points in the city wall.  Hence, to possess your enemies’ city gates was to gain control of them.  The idea of “sea gates” in the Genesis context would have puzzled the Israelite audience.  Israel was not a maritime power until much later in history during the reign of Solomon and then Israel’s navy was likely really Phoenician.   The concept of sea gates, rather than having Bronze Age substance, is a device of modern Anglo-Israelism.


But even if there were merit to the idea of sea gates as espoused by Anglo-Israelism, the Iberians controlled many sea gates. A case in point is Gibraltar.  Gibraltar was originally held by Spain.  Britain acquired control of Gibraltar in 1704 from Spain.  One might assume that this meant that “Israelitish” Britain was in ascendancy and Gentile Spain was descending.  But as I will establish this was actually a transfer between two branches of the same people.   


A Brief Anthropology


Dr. Herman Hoeh, the one-time Armstrongist historian and apologist for Anglo-Israelism, identified the Iberians as the descendants Tarshish the son of Javan the son of Japheth the son of Noah.  (Note 2)   This is based principally on identifying the harbor city and surrounding culture of ancient Tartessos, on the coast of modern Andalusia, with the Biblical son of Javan named Tarshish.  This is all semi-mythical and hinges on similarity in names.  It is possible that some of the descendants of Tarshish, if he is not allegorical, settled in this area.  Iberians do reflect some Middle Eastern heritage in their genetics. But this may have originated with the Sephardic Jews who have been in Spain, known to them as Sephard, since ancient times. Even if Hoeh’s historical connection between Tartessos and Tarshish has merit, this small population of Tartessians has apparently been absorbed into the Spanish population which is principally Indo-European.   So, equating Iberia to Tarshish has no scientific traction. 

An additional argument that is used in several places on the web by the followers of Anglo-Israelism to oppose the idea of Spain being an “Israelitish” nation is that they cannot be associated with any “Israelitish” tribe.   All the tribes have been nicely mapped to various nations in Western Europe and there are no nations or tribes left over.  This is a sophomoric argument and rests upon the shallow idea that political boundaries and racial boundaries must coincide.  If one is going to be a follower of Hoeh, the Iberians can be easily connected to whatever tribe is in Scotland, for instance.  The Milesian Scots allegedly resided in North Africa then Iberia and then migrated to Scotland.   Opponents of Iberians as “Israelites” will likely argue speculatively that the Milesians Scots moved out of Spain to the last person to Scotland.  This has more to do with bias than honestly interpreting Hoeh’s semi-mythic data.  Now we will depart from interpretative mythology and move to science.

This will be to the point but requires some familiarity with genetics.  Both the people of the British Isles and the people of Iberia are Indo-Europeans and they principally possess the same Y chromosome haplogroup.  The haplogroup is R1b.  I am haplogroup R1b M-269.  This haplogroup is found densely in Iberia.  But my ancestors are Scottish and other British Celts. R1b is also found densely in the British Isles.  R1b is the genetic hallmark of the Celtic people of Northwestern Europe and Southwestern Europe.  R1b has particular frequencies of certain genetic codes (called SNPs for single nucleotide polymorphisms).  Geneticists refer to the modal frequency profile within R1b as the Atlantic Modal Haplotype (AMH).   The term “Atlantic” refers to the people who live along the Atlantic littoral of Western Europe where this modal haplogroup is concentrated.  This genetic tag occurs from Gibraltar to Denmark where it intergrades to Haplogroup I and R1a. People whose genome is marked by this AMH are referred to as Atlantics.  I am an Atlantic as are many Americans of British or Iberian extraction in the New World.  Some of the highest frequencies of the R1b haplogroup among Atlantics are found among the Welsh (92%), Basque (87%), Catalans (81%), and Irish (82%).  (Note 3) 

Sidebar: the nations of Fennoscandia, all traditionally considered “tribes of Israel,” are a problem for Anglo-Israelism.  Denmark, Norway, Sweden seem to be haplogroups I and R1a and are not predominantly Atlantics.  The Finns carry, in addition to I and R1a, a large percentage of haplogroup N that reflects Mongoloid ancestry out of the Siberian sphere. Further, if Britain is Joseph and Norway is Benjamin, the younger brother of Joseph as Armstrongists claim, then only 25% or Norwegian men have the right haplogroup to be related to the British.  It is a big stretch to make the Scandinavian countries and Finland homogenous, stand-alone “Israelitish” nations.  They are a mix of haplogroups R1b, R1a, I and N.  In addition to the native haplogroup I, The people of Fennoscandia have genetic affinities for the eastern Germans, Slavs and, especially among the Finns, Asians.  One can argue speciously that God conserved these people in a state of national purity in a miracle of logistics as they filtered through “the nations” but genetic science does not lie. 

I anticipate that the first objection to this will be that the Spanish and Portuguese do not look exactly like the British.  How could they be the same people?  Most Iberians look like other Western Europeans but for those who differ there are two sources of this differentiation.  First, the mitochondrial haplogroups (tracing female descent) among the Iberians though quite similar to the British are slightly more varied.  Second, genetic studies indicate that there is a presence of Sephardic Jewish and North African ancestry among the Iberians.  One study (Note 4) found the following Y Chromosome haplogroup frequencies among Iberians:


1.     Haplogroup R1b (Celtic) – 66% 

2.     Haplogroup J (Jewish) – 19.8%

3.     Haplogroup E (North African, Berber) – 10.6%


Although most Iberians look like light-skinned Western Europeans, some are olive-skinned.  The profile cited above explains how this can be true. The North African contribution cited here likely represents the influence of the Moorish invasion.  The Moors are North African Caucasians that are the antecedents to today’s Berbers.  And the Sephardic Jews have a lengthy history in Spain.  If we combine the Celtic and Jewish components, 86% of the haplogroups of the Iberians derive from what would be termed in Hoeh-speak as “Hebrews.”  This would indicate that they belong in the “Israelitish sphere” – certainly more so than the people of Fennoscandia.  (Let me be clear that in the real world of genetic science neither the British nor the Iberians are remotely descended from Israel.  They are Gentile West Europeans and cognate branches of the same Indo-European people. But for this article, again, I am addressing the internal inconsistencies in the methodology used in Anglo-Israelism.) 

I have no certain data on why the architects of Armstrongist racial theory did not regard the Iberians to be “Israelitish”.  While they did not have DNA analysis available to them, it was well understood by anthropologists in that time that the British and Iberians were closely related Indo-Europeans.  This is speculative but I believe that it is very difficult for White Armstrongists to consider the mixed people of Central and South America as peoples related to them and to some degree within the putative “Israelitish” sphere.  Mexicans for instance are on average 52 percent European and that European component is principally Iberian which makes them closely related genetically to Northwest Europeans.   The Mexican non-European component is Native American. (Note 5) I believe it is the higher melanin level among mixed peoples in Central and South America that make them seem foreign or “Gentile” to Armstrongists.  And by the principle of syndoche, the darker Mestizo population represents to many North Americans the entire New World Iberian Empire including European Iberia itself.  But on the other hand, many North Americans and Canadians are mixed with Native American ancestry though not as much as the Mexicans.  And while there are many Mestizos in Latin America, there are also about 130 million White Europeans living in Argentina, Southern Brazil, and Uruguay - the temperate zone that GTA spoke about – people that might clearly be recognized as Israelitish based on appearance.  It is the confluence of these factors that somehow make Latin Americans clearly “non-Israelitish” to Armstrongists.  It is a rendition of the One Drop Theory prevalent in the Southern United States.  We must finally ask ourselves if a pre-existing bias actually influenced the way Anglo-Israelism was developed – with a teleological focus on Northwest and North Europe.

Summary Argument

In this article, I am not trying to improve and add consistency to Anglo-Israelism but I am, rather, critiquing the methodology used by Hoeh and others in identifying “Israel” among the modern nations.  There are good reasons to believe that Anglo-Israelism is a convenient myth without a scientific foundation and I have written about this in other blog essays.  The methodology used by early Armstrongists to identify the modern-day tribes of Israel did not work.  The test of a theory is how well it describes reality.  If Hoeh found clues in semi-mythological sources leading to the British being Israelites, why did he find no clues revealing the Iberian connection when it is clearly there: Indo-Europeans, sea power, sea gates, and colonial empires? Now we have the incontrovertible evidence of genetics.  And from genetics, we know that the British and Iberians are essentially the same people.  In fact, we know that there is a greater connection between the Iberians and the Jews than between the British and the Jews.  What follows is an outline of the logical dilemma, based on genetic science rather than myth, that Armstrongism must confront just to address the single Iberian problem:

1.    If the British are descended from Israel, then the Iberians are also descended from Israel. This is not based on semi-myth but on the repeatable science of genetics. 

2.    Honesty,  integrity, and respect for truth require that Armstrongism corrects the dogma of Anglo-Israelism to recognize the nations in the Iberian domain, in Europe and the New World, as part of “Israel” as Armstrongists define Israel.  (There is a solid scientific foundation for excluding the North Europeans, the Scandinavian nations and Finland, from the “Israelitish” domain and including the Iberians and, for that matter, western Germany.)   

3.     The concepts of “sea gates” and “a company” of nations and sea power can be and have been manipulated for political and racial purposes and can have no integrity as criteria in establishing the identity of the “Israelitish” peoples without acknowledging the Iberians. 

4.     If Armstrongist leaders make this correction, i.e., including the Spanish realm and presenting the scientific foundation for this to their congregants, one likely repercussion is that many of their members will reject this updated Anglo-Israelism. 

I would conjecture that Armstrongist leaders who still affirm Armstrongist Anglo-Israelism, if ever confronted with this issue, will reject, with many watching, the idea of revising their doctrine of Anglo-Israelism and, in the final analysis, we will know that the dogma is not about anthropological truth but about the tribal promotion of Northwest and North Europeans only as the chosen people of God.  


If it is a point of pride with you that you are a pure-as-the-driven-snow “Israelite,” you should gut up and take a genetic test.  There are many available on the market, but get one that measures Neanderthal ancestry in addition to everything else.  It will be a worthwhile and maturing experience.  You will finish the project knowing more about genetics, your ancestry and you will get the concept of race in perspective.  And the next time your odd uncle (maybe you are the odd uncle) starts his usual bragging about family pedigree at the next reunion, you will know he is blowing smoke. 


1.     World Atlas,

2.     Herman Hoeh, “The Origin of Nations!” p. 7, 1957.  

3.     See articles “Genetic History of the Iberian Peninsula” and “Haplogroup R1b” and “Atlantic Modal Haplotype”, Wikipedia. 

4.     These figures are approximate.  And these haplogroups are detailed in the study as subclades.  For brevity I have just used the basal form.  The exact data may be found in the article: “The Genetic Legacy of Religious Diversity and Intolerance: Paternal Lineages of Christians, Jews, and Muslims in the Iberian Peninsula”, American Journal of Human Genetics, 2008 Dec 12; 83(6): 725–736.  While these are not autosomal studies, the diversity of haplogroups points to the historical genetic influences on the Iberian population.  

5.     Another complicated issue for Anglo-Israelism concerns Native Americans.  Ancient Native Americans who migrated from Beringia to North America are haplogroup Q.  Q is closely related to haplogroups R1b and R1a, both Indo-European haplogroups, as the alphabetic designations indicate. Haplogroups Q and R are both children of haplogroup P.  This means in genetic history, Atlantics are much more closely related to Native Americans than they are to Jews (modern Jews are haplogroup J mostly) – a conundrum for Anglo-Israelism. (See Wikipedia article, “Human Y Chromosome DNA Haplogroup,” for Phylogenetic Tree).  Native Americans are best described as Eurasians.  Geneticists estimate that ancient Native Americans were about 30% European with the remainder being East Asian.  It is not unusual, then, for Mestizos, a mix of Native American and European, to have a strong European (and “Israelitish”) affinity. Phenotype also complicates matters. Ancient Native Americans who migrated from Beringia had a different appearance than modern Native Americas. Further, I know from experience that some modern Native Americans look more Caucasian than others.  (For overview see journal article on the web:  Ed Yong, “Americas’ Natives Have European Roots,” Nature, November 20, 2013, and also on the web: Genetics Society of America, "Native Americans and Northern Europeans more closely related than previously thought," ScienceDaily, 30 November 2012.) This means overall that the Mestizo population of Latin America has a much greater European affinity than is apparent. The status of Native Americans is then a complex and unresolved issue for Anglo-Israelism yet this loose end seems to decisively affect the Northwest European attitude toward the Iberian sphere. 


UCG: Victor Kubik Has Successfully Guided Us Through Difficult Times And Brought Peace To The Church

United Church of God is finally ready for regime change. Will they elect a younger man who does not look backward at the glory days and actually has a forward-thinking vision? 

Don't hold your breath! 

We will probably see one of the same tired old men we have watched UCG keep in their upper echelons over the last 27 years.

Len Martin, Chairman of the Council of Elders, writes on February 28th:

After nine years of a successful presidency directing the United Church of God, an International Association (UCGIA), through some difficult times, the Council of Elders has decided in its normal three-year reaffirmation process it is time to plan for a transition to a new president. The Council will be discussing transition details with Mr. Kubik. 
Thanks to God, the Church has enjoyed a time of peace under the leadership of Mr. Kubik. He was instrumental in the foundation of UCGIA in Indianapolis, Indiana. He served on the Council for many years, and was the operation manager for Ministerial and Member Services before serving three terms as president. 
Victor and his wife, Beverly, have served the Church with many projects—directing UCGIA in all its facets. The LifeNets foundation they started 22 years ago has been very helpful to many people, and they will continue in those humanitarian efforts. 
We thank the Kubiks for their many years of dedicated service. COG News

Monday, February 28, 2022

Why Bob Thiel Will NOT Be Fasting and Praying For Ukraine on March 2


From a reader:

Gentlemen —

I saw that many so-called/self-called “Christian” churches are calling for a Day of Prayer and Fasting for Ukraine on this coming Ash Wednesday. I also saw that some silly people are suggesting that the various Churches of God join in. Whether those suggestions are totally serious I leave for others to decide.

But there is one reason why this cannot happen. It’s on “Ash Wednesday” which is associated with Lent which is associated with Easter, and is therefore pagan through and through. (Forget, for a moment about those Old Testament Folk who went around repenting in sackcloth and ashes. The King of Nineveh being a prime example among others: “Who knows, God may yet change God’s mind so we don’t perish? *)

If doing something loving on the 14th of February is to be avoided — making love with one’s spouse for example — as was recently suggested, then the same logic applies here. Or suppose that you have a long standing tradition of giving flowers to your spouse and going out for dinner every Wednesday. On those years when 14 February falls on a Wednesday you can’t do it lest God get confused and think you’re doing it not because it’s Wednesday but rather because it’s Valentine’s Day.

Same here. Asking True Churchers to do something good (fasting and praying for Ukraine) but on a bad day (Ash Wednesday) is a non-starter. Even if satan’s own bishop, Francis, hadn’t suggested it —- suppose the idea had spontaneously arisen from the people and the Pope merely seconded the idea — his association with it is the kiss of death.

But all is not lost. The COGs can easily cancel Sabbath Services and have their members fast and pray for Ukraine at home this weekend. I expect that’s what they’ll do. But if Gary suggests it on that site of his, The Prophet will probably have an apoplectic fit as he sputters a reply.

* There is much worth considering in the short Book of Jonah, but I’ll save that for some other time.

Sunday, February 27, 2022

Will the COG's Join Day of Prayer and Fasting for Ukraine


Various Churches of God love to declare days of fasting and prayer several times a year. They also love boasting about it and how by fasting and praying they can cause God to do something they want to happen.

Fasting and praying for something, especially during times of war, are common throughout Christianity. However, the Churches of God, particularly the Thielites, discount these actions as empty, shallow, and useless. God apparently ONLY listens to COG members' prayers and honors their fasting.

The Church of England is asking for a day of prayer and fasting, as is Pope Francis. Will the Churches of God humble themselves on their knees on this day and join in this worldwide event? Will Bob Theil set the example and shut down his homeopathic drug peddling shop to join this? Will Gerald Westin have Living Church of God members do the same, especially since Westin loves to declare days of fasting and prayer several times a year in LCG? Will Dave Pack and Gerald Flurry join in? Will the United Church of God? This group above all others should be joining in this event since they love to boast about the Ukrainian Sabbath-Keepers they are associated with there.