United Church of God is finally ready for regime change. Will they elect a younger man who does not look backward at the glory days and actually has a forward-thinking vision?
Don't hold your breath!
We will probably see one of the same tired old men we have watched UCG keep in their upper echelons over the last 27 years.
Len Martin, Chairman of the Council of Elders, writes on February 28th:
After nine years of a successful presidency directing the United Church of God, an International Association (UCGIA), through some difficult times, the Council of Elders has decided in its normal three-year reaffirmation process it is time to plan for a transition to a new president. The Council will be discussing transition details with Mr. Kubik.
Thanks to God, the Church has enjoyed a time of peace under the leadership of Mr. Kubik. He was instrumental in the foundation of UCGIA in Indianapolis, Indiana. He served on the Council for many years, and was the operation manager for Ministerial and Member Services before serving three terms as president.
Victor and his wife, Beverly, have served the Church with many projects—directing UCGIA in all its facets. The LifeNets foundation they started 22 years ago has been very helpful to many people, and they will continue in those humanitarian efforts.
We thank the Kubiks for their many years of dedicated service. COG News
26 comments:
We should PRAY and HOPE that UCG will no longer exist in the future!
Define a "younger man." Five of the current council members are under the age of 60 and they all came from the business world. Only one of those five even attended Ambassador College. Would you consider them young and forward-thinking?
11:09, They won't! By the looks of it all of the ACOGs are dying a slow & painful death because of the incompetent "leadership" they have.
You know what I've noticed about splinter groups is that members like one of the LCG would not give anything to a single poor person who is asking them, which violates Christ's command to give to those who ask of you, but they love to be co-workers so that your gospel can go to the world they are assholes because they would leave a poor person struggling, but they feed ministers who are already rich.
He is 74 years old, so this is not san unusual happening.
UCG was a progressive step and at least , (like in the Magna Carta) the nobles were given the right to vote for leadership positions.
It is now time for FULL ENFRANCHISEMENT of the brethren to have the right to vote for their leadership. Technically, under its incorporated structure, the only members of the UCG are the ministers. This needs to change.
The ministers and elders of the UCG have zero faith that their congregants are led by the Holy Spirit, or are capable of any leadership or critical reasoning.
They give cash to ministers who are as of now rich, yet not to the unfortunate who truly need it.
And what is the sense of that? Doesn't it show they are just out for the money and the hard-working tithe payers are suckers?
So you hope ...but those hopes ...shall be dashed athiests.
OK two faced ungrateful ones on this blog or should it be x100 faced ones. How do you ever keep a track of oneself?
Comparing Kubic to a fallen despot dictator says more about this blog than anything else.
Vic Kubic showed great character and courage through his leadership over his nine years as UCG president. He earned a great deal of respect off those who saw him take over from Luker and expected the worst. Kubic has been one of the best Presidents UCG has ever had. He seemed to fit the role well as a President and out-shone Frank's Presidency at COGWA and Weston at LCG enormously. How well he did as President should never be taken away from him. It's a terrible loss and dreadful timing for him to step down now.
I only hope he wanted to step down as President to concentrate on his humanitarian work. I do hope he hasn't been forced out as UCG would be on a terrible road to ruin if they've turned on him at this point in history.
Whoever is the next President of UCG is vital. He has to be extremely up to date on social media, podcasts and such otherwise he will look 'old fashioned' and completely of it compared to Kubic.
Kubic came across internationally well, if the next President is only looking inwards towards America then again UCG could be in trouble.
Whoever is the next UCG President will be a difficult job to follow Kubic.
Don't you mean jealous that their congregants are led by the Holy Spirit, or are capable of any leadership or critical reasoning? Jealous as in God is dead to them but deals with others.
Listen we need to be abolish UCG and get more better groups.
UCG: Open (at least partially) the door (Rev 3:20) and begin teaching tithing is not mandated now (Heb 7) and the 14th is the first day of 7 days of unleavened bread.
UCGs literature is all flat. There's no attempt to stir up their readers. This consistency must mean that it's by design. It's The-we-are-asleep-Church-of-God. It's next leader should try to wake it up. Oh wait, he would lose his job if he tried that.
1:38, You have such a Christian attitude, NOT!
"Whoever is the next UCG President will be a difficult job to follow Kubic."
I think Jelly is up to the task.
UCG is not able to make any authority I know one person who should have been suspended but never was, even though that person did unnecessary harm at a local congregation, pastor named Lewis Van Ausdle let the bad guy off the hook.
"Comparing Kubic to a fallen despot dictator says more about this blog than anything else."
The two-faced lies of Kubik and others as they sat in the Worldwide Church of God for two years planning and scheming on how to start a new group, take as many members as they could and as much money as they could while still on the payroll of the Worldwide Church of God showed us exactly what a despot and the disgusting hypocritical man that he is. During those two years, he disfellowshipped scores of people for not agreeing with the changes all the while not agreeing with them himself as he hob-nobbed and yukked it up with the WCG elite. All of his "good works" with his charity are a smokescreen on how disgusting he is underneath.
During those two years, he disfellowshipped scores of people for not agreeing with the changes all the while not agreeing with them himself as he hob-nobbed and yukked it up with the WCG elite.
WRONG. Kubik didn't care about the doctrinal changes. He cared about WCG losing money and members. He cared about losing his position of power and ease. If he could have kept himself in power in a big church, he would have taught whatever he needed to teach to make it happen.
Given what is going on in Ukraine, it’s a peculiar time for him to be replaced.
Earl exactly but I think their lawlessness is a big problem.
I only knew the Vic Kubik who was my fellow student at Embarrassing College, years ago. The Vic of those days was sincere, inquisitive, affable, and had a very well-developed sense of fairness. I've been out of Armstrongism for many years now, but over the past twenty years, the things I've read about Vic on the sites which hold Armstrongism accountable have mostly been good. There were others of our fellow students who were basically good people when they came to AC, but whom the system corrupted, and unfortunately they became authoritarian monsters who ran roughshod over those who looked to them for spiritual guidance, and caused great misery.
Certainly nobody is perfect, but some of the ACOG leaders were more benign and altruistic human beings than others, and they deserve a bit of good press and recognition for maintaining this in spite of being part of an evil system. Hope you enjoy your retirement, Vic!
They did this in the SOG apartments (360 Apt C). The best part was to watch them a few years later as they started battling with each other over control and how much each of them was loyal HWA followers. This led to the COGWA faction splitting off to set up their own brand of worshipping at the altar of Herbert Armstrong.
There are experienced pastors. We have to accept differences and not expect a pastor to be "God-led" to help in useful ways, as I did. 🙂 One of the pastors we counseled with on marriage told us that he was not comfortable with the gravity of the issues involved (my words, but that was the gist). So, of course, I, in my optimism and hope, thought, "Wow! This is so humble. God will surely guide you to help us." I think God really did. He met us separately! But then I think he gave up as there seemed to be no progress and my husband was quite threatening towards him. But there was progress, because I was seeing that I was not alone.
One thing he kept reinforcing was mutual submission, because the only thing my husband complained about was that I didn't submit (ie, I didn't give him everything he wanted when he wanted it, including my mind).
lol The professionals we went to were let go, because my husband didn't like that they "were not in the church". 🤪😄. I'm sure that was the real reason. I'm being sarcastic.
In fact, I've never had a pastor or even a pastor's wife say that to me. I know there are people who hear this rubbish though and there are those who think so. If you really want to help your friends, knowledge is a good step.
What is this rambling rubbish that you write anon 12:27. The post is about Victor Kubic.
Yeah, but wasn't it interesting and insightful about Armstrongism, the topic of this blog?
You need to adjust your corn cob, 6:06.
6.06 AM
I found her rambling rubbish interesting. Especially the concept of "mutual submission" which includes lording it over your mates faith.
Since the ACOGs twist and distort everything, I know that their under the table definition of mutual submission is nothing more than non biblical, bully morality.
Mr. Kubik's "Letter from the President" this week is quite transparent.
He says he wanted a fourth term as President, but was "not reconfirmed" by the Council.
A politely way of saying: you're fired.
Mr. Kubik says he plans to retire, and probably move back to Indiana to spend the rest of his days running LifeNets.
Best wishes to him for that - but I can't help thinking about other ministers who "retired" from UCG and wound up preaching elsewhere (like Mark Mickelson in Pacific COG).
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