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Bob Thiel: I Have Been Betrayed Just Like Herbert Armstrong and Jesus - Therefore That Makes Me A True Prophet
In yet another proof that Bob Thiel is a false prophet, he has placed himself on equal footing with Jesus. Thiel has been betrayed just like Jesus was, but more importantly, just like Herbert Armstrong was! The world is full of big bad meanies and Bob's delicate little soul can't take the humiliation.
The Bible shows that the Jewish religious leaders somewhat knew about Jesus (cf. John 3:1-2), yet betrayed Him (Matthew 27:18).Sadly, although various LCG evangelists knew/suspected my role, in their own manners, they all betrayed me.Notice something that Herbert Armstrong wrote:PERSECUTORS HAVE CALLED me a "false prophet." Now how would you KNOW whether the accusation IS true-or false?...Actually, it probably is not very important to you to know whether my persecutors are right or wrong, when they call me dirty names, hurl epithets, resort to innuendo, impute sinister motives, strive to discredit, attempt character assassination. What is important to YOU is whether what you read in The PLAIN TRUTH really is the truth-whether what you hear over TheWORLD TOMORROW broadcast is true-not whether I, as an individual, am true or false.I think our readers know by now that we always say: "DON' T believe what we say because you believe in us." We say " Listen with open mind, without prejudice, then CHECK UP in your own Bible-prove whether it is true, and BELIEVE what you find proved! " I don't seek to induce people to believe in ME-I seek to lead them to believe in JESUS CHRIST!
As far as accepting what I write, I only expect people to believe me as I teach matters consistent with the Bible and facts. Don’t simply believe me, believe the truths preached that are backed up by the Bible and/or historical or other facts. Page 93
Prophet Bob Thiel is now using "dreams" to legitimatize his position as a prophet of God. Remember Loma Armstrong's dream she had that spurred HWA to start the Radio Church of God? Bob Thiel is claiming that he also has had a woman dream about him. Because she dreamed about him it therefore make shim a true prophet and COG leader.
Its too bad that he does not heed HWA's own words about crazy kooks proclaiming themselves prophets!
In all the years I worked in Pasadena, hundreds of nut jobs paraded through the church proclaiming they and they alone had the truth. Many even carried picket signs in front of the Hall of Ad proclaiming their prophet status. Bob Thiel is just one more in a long line of false prophets to lie to the church.
Dreams and the Continuing Church of GodDo dreams and prophets have any place in the Christian Church today? Are any related to the Continuing Church of God? The Bible shows that God often chooses to work with prophets through a dream (Numbers 12:6), and I had a confirmed one.The Bible records that God often has used dreams to give messages Genesis 20:3-7, 28:10-17, 31:10-13, 31:24, 37:5-10, 40:5-18, 41:1-32; Numbers 12:6; Judges 7:13-15; 1 Kings 3:5-15; Daniel 2:3-45, 4:4-27, 7:1-28; Matthew 1:20-25, 2:12, 2:13, 2:19, 2:22; Acts 2:16-17; 16:9).Of course, not all dreams come from God. Here is something that the late Herbert W. Armstrong wrote about dreams:
Prophet Thiel claims that he also had a dream about himself. He cannot prove that in any manner whatsoever. Yet, he expects people to take his word for it. Sadly, deceived people have.Let me say here that in about 99,999 times out of 100,000, when people think GOD is speaking to them in a dream or vision in this day and age, it is pure imagination, or some form of self-hypnotism or self-deception. I have only come to believe that this dream was a bonafide call from God in the light of subsequent events.And that is correct. Most dreams are not from God, even if people think that they are. Dreams from God are shown to be correct in the light of subsequent events (though just because a dream ends up being correct, that does of itself, not prove that it was from God as there can be other factors, cf. Deuteronomy 13:1-5, but God Himself does sometimes use dreams, Numbers12:6; Acts 2:17-18).Though many discount all dreams, many also forget that Herbert W. Armstrong believed that his wife Loma Armstrong had a dream from God prior to the start of the Radio Church Church of God, although it took him some years to accept the validity of it:Within 30 or 60 days after our marriage God spoke to my wife in what might have been an intense unusual dream, or a vision—but it was years later before we came to realize that this really was a message from God.So, there was a dream from a woman that preceded the start of the old Radio Church of God that Herbert W. Armstrong led.A question to ponder is have there been any dreams from God in more recent years?
In order to bring in a second "opinion" he claims a woman in New Zealand also had a dream about him. Notice his use of Matthew 18:16 as further proof of his legitimacy.In addition to my dream (which seemed consistent with Number 12:6 and Acts 2:17), there also seems to have been at least one other dream that essentially confirmed that the mantle had passed to me and the Continuing Church of God.
This dream came to a woman named Fesilafai Fiso Leaana of New Zealand after going to bed on December 8, 2012. Portions of it, too, were also confirmed by subsequent events.Although some have chosen not to believe all the facts about how and why the Continuing Church of God began, recall that the Bible teaches: 16 ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’ (Matthew 18:16) 19 Do not receive an accusation against an elder except from two or three witnesses. (1 Timothy 5:19)Of course, since Gaylyn Bonjour always freely admitted that he did the ‘double-portion’ anointing, there long had been a second witness.
Yet, in addition to various facts, the dream from Fesilafai Leaana (who I did not meet until late 2013) looks like perhaps God was planning on making it clearer for true Philadelphians to see that the mantle location had truly changed.
Of course, some will discount dreams and their confirmation as proof of anything they do not wish to believe. Many want more dramatic signs (Matthew 12:38; 1 Kings 19:11-12), but God does not always do it that way (Matthew 12:39-42; 1 Kings 19:12-14). Page 96