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Saturday, May 25, 2013
Twenty Seven years later and Armstrongism is fractured into over 700 splinter groups.
So much for the unity!
COGWA despises UCG,
PCG despises everyone,
LCG laughs at Bob thiel,
Bob Thiel ridicules LCG,
Dave Pack despises everyone because he is SOOOOO superfantabulous.....
and on and on it goes.............
Michael Venish is back with another video and starts out with a question asked by one of Dave Pack's members to his last video calling Dave Pack out for his lies.
Venish has impeccable credibility to the inner workings of for Dave Pack.
There is a new poll in the right hand column under the flags.
How Long Was/Is Your Connection With the WCG or Related Groups?
Bob Thiel: 1974 WCG Hymnal Is Only Hymnal Approved By God and Then Makes Excuses for Video Background Noises
Poor Bob. He has had such a difficult week. First Dennis confronts him about his obsession with death and maiming that his god is prone to do with natural disasters. Then Dave Pack humiliates him with his latest letter mocking all break away group leaders as UNCLEAN. Then on top of all of that Bob has to apologize for the background noise in most of his videos that we so conveniently mock here.
First the ONLY approved songs fit for human consumption are:
Here is our suggested format for Sabbath services on May 25, 2013:
- 2-3 hymns (we are using the 1974 Bible Hymnal from the old WCG, and in most areas, the Choral Accompaniment).
- Opening prayer.
- Sermonette. Here is a link to one: Does God Use Weather? There is also some information related to this in the article titled: Weather Blessings and Sorrows.
- Announcements (if any; though for many it will be this letter) and one hymn.
- Sermon which for most will be a recorded one titled: The Ten Commandments: Loving God. Others sermons are also available at the ContinuingCOG channel.
- Final hymn.
- Closing prayer.
Blaming your incredibly BAD videos on poor mics or unruly guests in the room is really bad.
We recognize, and have noticed, various problems with certain sermonette and sermon videos. We tried another new microphone this week, which also did not work properly, so went back to an earlier one.
The sermonettes we suggest are normally posted at the Bible News Prophecy channel. Those tend to be in the 10-20 minute range. We have an editor for those who live over 200 miles away, and he puts in the scriptures and the opening and closing screens. Otherwise these are not edited. We have also made some changes as to how we video these and I believe that this will result in them becoming better over time.
Our sermons are normally posted at the ContinuingCOG channel. These normally have had no editing. These are sermons filmed live as given here in Arroyo Grande, California. Because of this, audience noises are heard from time to time and we still do not have an appropriate way to totally prevent them. In addition, there were microphone issues for this week’s suggested sermon, and we believe we now know how to greatly reduce those particular ones. So, as you listen to it, please realize that we believe we will have less of those issues overall in the future.
That being said, what excuse do you want to make for the crooked bookcases and door knob next to your head? Do you sit on the floor when you make these videos? All of them look like you are sitting on the floor as you have to look UP to the camera. Please do something about those flailing arms and hands. Waving a floppy KJV bible waved about is not impressive, nor is holding books and papers in front of your face while speaking. For the sake of Herbert Armstrong quality please make some changes!!!!
Dave issues a veiled threat to all COG ministers who do not come over to Dave's group:
Elijah presented a stark choice to Israel, shortly before putting to death in the people’s presence the 450 prophets of Baal: “Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt you between two opinions? If the Lord be God, follow Him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word” (I Kgs. 18:21). The question applies: Will you copy ancient Israel, and “answer God not a word”?
The decision that will soon face you is the same one Israel (the Old Testament type of the New Testament Church) faced over and over, and that many thousands before you have faced since Christ built His New Testament Church. God tells you He does not accept indecision—that you cannot serve two masters—that you cannot halt between two opinions. God does not permit you to “answer Him not a word.” To make no choice is to make the WRONG CHOICE!
In other words, be prepared to die! What a self serving jackass Dave has turned into!
There is simply no way that individual ministers will be permitted to continue in their role without acknowledging the great servant that they had so long rejected—that they had consciously or unconsciously relegated to the dustbin of history. Without Mr. Armstrong’s over 52 years of incredible perseverance, resourcefulness, dedication and faithfulness against staggering obstacles and so many enemies, these ministers would all have been somewhere else doing something else. This is because they would never have learned the truth. Zerubbabel, now having died over 27 years ago, has been forgotten right along with the vast difference he taught between clean and unclean, holy and unholy. Mr. Armstrong must be remembered for what he was—what he did. Several times the ministry is told to “consider” in this context. In fact, until they do, these ministers will remain blocked from an enormous amount of understanding regarding what will happen going forward. They will simply be unable to grasp the coming size and scope of God’s Work that will now ensue. (Just one other point would be that there would be no foundation in place to understand who is Joshua, as well as this man’s role following Zerubbabel and preceding Christ’s Return. Zerubbabel’s identity paves the way to knowing who is Joshua! Without this knowledge, Zechariah 3 [describing and explaining how to identify Joshua] and Zechariah 4 [describing and confirming who is Zerubbabel, but also introducing the Two Witnesses, also of the end-time] would remain locked away from their understanding. While explaining Joshua’s identity is not the purpose here, being unable to recognize who is God’s final leader would COMPLETELY end their ability to serve God’s people. All would agree, no matter who they now think he is, he would only be found in one place—one House—one Church! Finally, Joshua’s identity does not lead you to Zerubbabel’s identity but Zerubbabel’s does lead you to Joshua. This is but one more reason Zerubbabel receives a signet apparently different from all other men.)
You silly men in the PCG, UCG, and LCG. Because of your failure to worship HWA as Zerubbabel you are then too dumb to realize that Davey is Joshua. Until you recognize this amazing truth you will have no place in the final work of God in Wadsworth.
Dave apparently think women in the Restored Church of God need to remain barefoot and pregnant while they are servants to their husband who are lords and masters. God forbid if any women in the Church of God had a theological opinion. The hilarious thing in all of this is that there are women in the Church of God who have more theological education and wisdom than the ministers that were over them.
The United Church of God just published a Council Report that included a large section about the role of women. To watch aggressive, worldly, feminist women “leaders” in the United Church of God virtually dictate to that church in public how they believe women should be “used” and “treated”—and have a voice—is one of the most shocking open displays of rejecting plain biblical standards that I have seen in my 47 years in God’s Way. On top of this, this organization trumpeted their shameful, Bible-rejecting, world-copying position to the whole world on the Internet. This is a classic example of how people (in this case some women, women are half of all whom God calls) who wish to return to true godliness will have to COME OUT of this kind of worldliness—and uncleanness. The alternative for women is to be left out of God’s coming Temple “reformation.” ALL such compromise (standards, traditions and doctrines) will be left behind. Hopefully most women will not choose to be left behind.
Dave Pack: Any COG Minister Coming to the RCG Has To Be Reeducated Before They Can Receive God's Blessings
Woe be to any COG minister in any of the splinter groups who wants to come over to Dave's personality cult. Before you do you need to be prepared to be publicly humiliated and then be reeducated. You will be exiled from RCG until you can bow down ad Dave's feet and kiss them as the feet of God's most highly favored servant. You will need to inculcate all of Dave's extra biblical teachings and prostitute your self to all things Dave all the time.
You have seen that all happen before. Dave poaches ministers form LCG and UCG, blows his fog horn for several days, then these people disappear and you never hear from them again.
The remnant MINISTRY will be told in verse 19 that before they can do more work (pastor and serve brethren) in God’s Church—before they can even receive God’s basic blessing again—they must remember their former shameful conduct. They must never forget the paltry fruits of their collective efforts when they were cut off from God. The next verse continues this reminder from God.
2:17: “I smote you with blasting and with mildew and with hail in all the labors of your hands; yet you turned not to Me, says the Lord.”
This is strong language by God—and action. God says He SMOTE the ministry’s labors with blasting, mildew and hail. The Hebrew for “smote” involves a long, sobering definition. It means “to strike, beat, give wounds, kill, make slaughter, punish, slaughter, slay, smite, strike, wound.” Obvious symbols are again used here because blasting, mildew and hail cannot be literal. God is not sending actual hail onto ministers or groups, or hot, dry winds (blasting) on them. These three elements represent destruction, but not complete destruction. The Hebrew for “blasting” can also mean “blight,” which is disease. Hot, dry winds would certainly have no effect on a church. This picture describes the scene in all the splinters today. These organizations truly are afflicted with spiritual blight and disease. Also, mildew does not refer to too much moisture present. It comes from a Hebrew word that means “paleness, whether of persons from fright.” See the point. God is sending FEAR into these groups in an attempt to WAKE THEM UP. The kinds of things God is doing has left people pale with fear. GET THIS because conditions will grow worse.
Dave Pack has been making the asinine prediction that three COG leaders of the larger COG groups will all die this fall on the same day. When this happens the COG members in each of these groups will suddenly have their eyes opened and will flow into Dave's personality cult.
When you read his malarkey you will see that he considered the Restored Church of God to be the restored Temple of God on earth. Taking that a little farther we will soon see that Dave will be breaking ground of a new Auditorium that he will call the House of God, or Temple of God. Dave already thinks God dwells in Wadsworth.
If you don't know anything about Wadsworth it is considered the pimple upon the Western Reserve in Ohio. It is also the home of the Blue Tip Match company and that is their annual claim to fame. They light a large Blue Tip Match that burns through the festival. They dance and party around this 20 foot burning match for 5 days. Sounds delightfully pagan to me! I see a trip in the future!
Something absolutely fascinating quietly appears in verse 15, and you must not overlook it. Not readily visible without careful reading, there has been a crucial change in the look and SIZE of God’s Church. Let’s see. First, the phrase “from before a stone was laid upon a stone in the Temple of the Lord” obviously refers to individual Christians working in God’s Church again. Think. The subject has not suddenly moved to a physical temple and literal stones put in place thousands of years ago in Zerubbabel’s ancient temple. (Take a moment to stop and read I Peter 2:4-5 describing how God’s people are “living stones” in His Temple.) Now notice that the term “HOUSE of the Lord” is no longer used. God’s Church is now described as a “TEMPLE.” Instead of being a bayith—a “House”—the Hebrew word God now uses is heykal, meaning “in the sense of capacity…a large public building, such as a palace or temple…” Heykal means from this point forward a larger structure is in place, with many more stones having become present to construct “God’s building” (I Cor. 3:9) into something now much bigger—a TEMPLE! This so perfectly fits the description of a significant and maybe very large remnant coming to work in a House that is suddenly now the size of a palace-like Temple. No more or less God’s Church either way, the building has grown much larger. It is no coincidence that the New Testament also specifically describes God’s Church as both a “House” (I Tim. 3:15; I Pet. 4:17) AND a “Temple” (I Cor. 3:16; II Cor. 6:16; Eph. 2:21). The Greek for “House” is oikos and “Temple” is naos. Their meanings line up with bayith and heykal.
This temple, as I mentioned above has dual meaning to Davey. It constitutes his physical property in Wadsworth and the "spiritual" group he thinks he leads. When the tens of thousands start streaming into RCG after their leaders die they will being all of their tithes and offerings to Davey. That is his primary focus. He doesn't give a rats ass about your salvation or standing with God. All he wants is the money. That is the focus of almost all of his sermons and articles now. He wants it all! It's rightfully his because he IS the most important COG leader every to be born on earth. I am surprised he has not claimed immaculate conception as one of his qualifications. He has lied about all of his other qualities so whatnot that one too.
Recalling Haggai 1:4, God’s House plainly no longer “lies waste.” It has become the larger, grander TEMPLE to which Christ will return, and after many more living stones are added as a result of the short but immensely big and powerful Work ensuing from the Temple’s newfound size, strength and resources! Also, all its competition “went away.”
Dave Pack, God's most superfantabulous COG leader ever to life such a pure unadulterated life is laying down the law on what members should not be doing.
The splinters are allowing in more and more of the world’s ways—and not gradually! Here is a list of just some of the wrong ideas now so prevalent in these groups—wrong government—altered definitions of what is the true Church and Body of Christ—birthday-keeping—wearing of makeup—mixing the Person of Christ with the gospel of the kingdom—believers marrying unbelievers and other improper marriages—de-emphasis of Christ’s broken body for healing—voting—compromising or even dismissing some of God’s tithing laws—laxity regarding Sabbath dress—improper hair length for both men and women—tattoos and piercings (men and women)—lax or non-existent childrearing—parading themselves individually to the world on Facebook and other social media—women ruling over men, and children ruling families—never mind immorality, overdrinking and rotten music—there is no literal Place of Safety because God will “protect us right there in the world that we are so a part of and don’t want to give up”—among so many others that could be included. This is what happens when an “open door” policy is administered, saying, “Come on in and join us, world.” Throughout the splinters today, a great many doctrines and traditions of the Church (II Thes. 2:15; 3:6) have been ignored or tossed aside like old shoes. Besides all of the above thinking, a host of other—new and bizarre!— false teachings (often about prophecy) have also appeared throughout all of these organizations.
Friday, May 24, 2013
Dave Pack's Wet Dream
One has to wonder at the sheer blindness or stupidity of the Mayor of Wadsworth when he recently praised Davey pack and his cult for their new HQ buildings. Little does he know that Davey considers all non-COG folk to be infidels.
A second reason “this people” is described as unclean is that they have not remained separate from the world. Here is the level of purity that God expects from His servants: “Be you not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship has righteousness with unrighteousness? And what communion has light with darkness? And what concord has Christ with Belial [Satan]? Or what part has he that believes with an infidel? What agreement has the temple of God with idols? For ye [the plural is used throughout] are the temple of the living God; as God has said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. Wherefore COME OUT from among them, and be ye SEPARATE, says the Lord, and touch not the UNCLEAN THING; and I will receive you, and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be My sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty” (II Cor. 6:14-18). Things being clean or unclean, holy or unholy, separate or together with the unclean, are here seen to be NEW Testament concerns, not merely dusty Old Testament rules and regulations for ancient Israel. See this!
Dave Pack Says COG Members of Other Groups Are Unclean
Dave Pack is back with his weekly message to the apostate whores in all the various splinter groups, Today he starts off by telling COG members that they are unclean as long as they follow the splinter group leaders and evangelists. He particularly despises UCG, COGWA, LCG and PCG. Of course these are the four major COG's that take millions of dollars in tithe money away from Dave's pockets.
God now also calls “this people” a “nation.” I Peter 2:9 describes God’s Church as a “holy nation.” Verse 14 is a powerful summary statement about the remnant’s prior condition—when they were abiding in their own “houses.” This was a condition that the ministry played a large role in bringing about. God describes His people as “unclean,” including “EVERY work of their hands” and “that which they offer” in the period before they were brought back to His Church. But why does God say this to His people?
The large splinters have slowly come to resemble the world’s churches much more than God’s Church. This is true of standards, appearance, doctrines and behavior—their degeneration in all these areas is truly across the board! The members of these groups cannot see where their leaders have either led them—or stepped out of the way like a matador and permitted them to go. The United Church of God and the Church of God, a Worldwide Association are the worst, but no longer by much. The Living Church of God over time worked hard to successfully close the gap. The Philadelphia Church of God is another matter altogether, having additional problems on top of what is described here. Having become so blind in the Laodicean age, these organizations cannot see their collective degenerate and worsening condition. They have grown absolutely oblivious to what GOD sees.
We saw in an earlier part that this group of Christians is cut off from Christ and the Father. (Read “God’s People Back Together—SOON!” if you have not done so.) Therefore, what they are producing and “offering” cannot be guided by Almighty God and the living Jesus Christ, Who is NOT the Head of their organizations. As a result, no matter their feelings telling them otherwise, their fruits are simply works of men—all unclean. A series of New Testament verses clarifies what the people knowingly chose or were permitted to unwittingly “fall into,” bringing this uncleanness.
Gerald Flurry: God Reveals The Most Startling Prophecy To Me Ever - There's A WHIRLWIND BUTT COMING!
Here’s one definition of that word, that “whirlwind.” It says: “Sweep away,”
but a better definition is:
“WHIRL away.” It just WHIRLS away!
Gerald Flurry has always been known to be several watts short of bright, but this article by him from May 1st shows just how delusional his mind works.
Gerald starts out his video by telling his viewers on the PCG has been predicting that Germany was going to invade Iran and conquer it. It was more speculation than anything else. Now, Lord Six-Pack has had revealed to him the most astounding revelation regarding Germany. Even God's most superfantabulous Dave Pack is willfully ignorant on this prophecy. Poor Dave, he's been made a fool of again!
Greetings, everyone. We have taught for about twenty years that Germany was going to conquer Iran and its allies (or radical Islam), but we’ve never taught you HOW it wasgoing to happen, and today we’re going to do THAT. We’re going to show you HOW it’sgoing to happen because UNTIL now, we never taught you THAT. The Bible reveals how it’s going to be done.
So how did Six Pack get to this magnificent discovery? Supposedly his god revealed to him the meaning of the "one" word in Daniel.
The most startling prophecy, in a word, is actually a word. That magical word is "whirlwind."Now, there’s just one little word in a prophecy of Daniel that shows us HOW it will happen. Now, Germany has had a decade or more to prepare for this clash that they have expected to come. They believed it would someday come, and this prophetic word tells you HOW they’re going to come against Iran and radical Islam and how they’re going to destroy them, and it’s one of the most startling prophecies, in a word, that I think I have ever had revealed to me. But I want you to think about this and think about this prophecy that we’ve covered so many times.But it is just one prophetic word and yet it reveals the STRATEGY that Germany is going to use, and they’ve almost completed that strategy ALREADY. It’s a strategy that is I think a MASTERFUL stroke by the German people, who are very strategy-minded and love to prepare for battle when they think there’s a war. But also I’m going to show you FACTS from a map that REVEALS this strategy so clearly that is prophesied in the book of Daniel. It’s right there in your Bible, and this one word reveals a lot more than we have realized in the past.
No, I am not talking about the tornado that recently struck Edmond, OK because they have allowed a cult in their midst. This is a whirlwind from Scripture that Six Pack has interpreted to be Germany. That whirlwind is circling helicopters, planes,and ships.
Six Pack wants you to know that HE, and he alone, knows exactly how Germany will conquer Iran. He knows it in MASSIVE DETAIL!
Notice verse 40 of Daniel 11. “And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind,” LIKE a whirlwind, “with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships;” MANY ships, air and sea, “and he shall enter into the countries,” plural, “and shall overflow and pass over.” So they come at them like a FLOOD against Iran and their allies. So it’s a HUGE attack; it’s not some SMALL attack, and obviously it would have had to be PLANNED very meticulously for them to IMPLEMENT this plan. But it’s LIKE a whirlwind. It is a military attack, but the emphasis is on the STRATEGY; it comes at this radical Islam LIKE A WHIRLWIND, like a whirlwind. It is a VERY revealing word if you look into itcarefully
Now, this reveals to you what is going to happen in the very near future because this plan is almost completed, and I’m going to just map it out for you and let you see what is happening and how it is all prophesied in such detail that it’s just SHOCKING! It is truly SHOCKING if you understand these prophecies, and if you don’t, we certainly have material that we will give you and it costs you absolutely nothing. We want you to have access to these prophecies so that you KNOW what is about to happen in this end time. It’s all prophesied in MASSIVE DETAIL
So I’ll show you a map today that will illustrate something that I know you’ve never seen before, and you need to keep it in your mind because it IS telling you what kind of a future we’re going to have and how it’s ALMOST upon us. Because that CLASH between Germany and Iran is going to TRIGGER World War III. It is that significant! Notice what the word “whirlwind”—Gesenius Lexicon, what it says about it: “To sweep away in a storm, terror-stricken,” it’s really something that strikes great terror in MANY, many people, and it says they “shiver with fear.” Another one says: “The creeping of the skin of a person terror-stricken.”
BUT there’s more to it that you need to see here. Let me read to you the Moffattranslation of that verse 40: “When the end arrives, the king of the south shall BUTT at him, but the king of the north shall STORM at him like a WHIRLWIND.” All of them say it’s like a whirlwind, “with chariots and cavalry and large fleet, air and sea, and invading his lands and flooding into them,” just FLOODING into them, “like a whirlwind,” it’s whirling round and round and round, and that is the SIGNIFICANCE of this if you understand it fully. I mean this is a carefully-planned strategy, and Iran and its allies are caught up INSIDE a whirlwind, and you know how a whirlwind whirls round and round and round.
Skipping a lot of sheer stupidity you coemto this as justification that Germany is goignto invade Iran:
Well, they have 4400 soldiers, roughly, in Afghanistan. And why would they want to keep those soldiers there? Well, Afghanistan JOINS Iran on its eastern border. To the Germans, that is a very STRATEGIC area because they’re thinking WHIRLWIND, they’re thinking about a circular attack on Iran and its allies. Let’s be honest. If things build to that, and they feel confident they will. I mean anybody with a little common sense knows that nothing’s going to stop Iran but war! Just look at the way they conduct themselves! A little power by comparison, and yet they’re terrorizing the world in many ways. Nobody’s going to stop that unless they can stop their military.
So you can see on this map how that Iran and its allies are SURROUNDED. They’re surrounded! And that’s the ONLY REASON and the ONLY WAY that Germany and the Holy Roman Empire could come against them like a WHIRLWIND! I mean on every SIDE it’s just a WHIRLING DEVASTATION of violence and bloodshed, and frankly, Iran won’t have a chance. They may think they do, but they won’t because this is ALL a carefully-laid plan that’s going to shock the world. But we’ve just been following the history of Germany throughout the years and telling people what was going to happen in this end time. And it is happening!
And let me just read you one last quote and show you what they're doing today. This is from a secret meeting the military was having, and I believe it’s in Cologne, Germany. I’m pretty sure that’s where it was, but the germanforeignpolicy.com reports that the secret meeting was held under the title of International Symposium on Ballistics, and “dealt with explosives and projectiles, as well as armoring.” Media representatives were refused access to the Urban Congress Center under threat of using force. I mean, they told the media, “OK, you come in here, we’re going to use force. You don’t come in here!Stay out of here!” Now, this is what an intelligence unit says INSIDE their own country!
Yep, blood, guts, death and destruction certainly does bring joy and hope to Armstrongism. Without the bloodshed the belief system cannot be validated.That’s how close this is and how urgent this prophecy is. And we need to look into our Bibles and see that all of this IS leading to wonderful news of hope and joy. That’s terrific!
Thursday, May 23, 2013
Bob Thiel, the non-ordained self-appointed false prophet, has went to great lengths today to point out that his vengeful god truly does delight in killing, maiming and destroy with tornadoes.
Bob started out with:
While the terms ‘tornado’ and ‘cyclone’ are not in the NKJV, KJV, or the DRB (Douay Rheims Bible), some translations of the Bible (like THE MESSAGE) do use them, and those that do not tend to use the term ‘whirlwind,’ which is basically what a tornado/cyclone is.
The Bible shows that whirlwinds are one of the forms of weather that God controls:
3 The Lord is slow to anger and great in power,God teaches that because of disobedience He will scatter people and use a whirlwind:
And will not at all acquit the wicked.
The Lord has His way
In the whirlwind and in the storm,
And the clouds are the dust of His feet. (Nahum 1:3)
8 Then the word of the Lord came to Zechariah, saying, 9 “Thus says the Lord of hosts:
‘Execute true justice,11 But they refused to heed, shrugged their shoulders, and stopped their ears so that they could not hear. 12 Yes, they made their hearts like flint, refusing to hear the law and the words which the Lord of hosts had sent by His Spirit through the former prophets. Thus great wrath came from the Lord of hosts. 13 Therefore it happened, that just as He proclaimed and they would not hear, so they called out and I would not listen,” says the Lord of hosts. 14 “But I scattered them with a whirlwind among all the nations which they had not known. Thus the land became desolate after them, so that no one passed through or returned; for they made the pleasant land desolate.” (Zechariah 7:8-14)
Show mercy and compassion
Everyone to his brother.
10 Do not oppress the widow or the fatherless,
The alien or the poor.
Let none of you plan evil in his heart
Against his brother.’
21 A cyclone sweeps them up — gone!
Not a trace of them left, not even a footprint.
22 Catastrophes relentlessly pursue them;
they run this way and that, but there’s no place to hide
He then has to drag in British Israelism into his brewing pot:
The following is telling of a time when at least some of the descendents of Ephraim (currently dominating lands such as the UK, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand) will face a major destruction from a tornado:Bob particularly likes vs. 16 in hte above quote from The Message. He takes delight in babies smashed against the rocks and pregnant women ripped open. He can't talk about Jesus but loves to quote his vengeful god by somehow tying the USA into the above Scripture. Oh yeah, I forgot, its British Israelism so it is 100% fact.
5 Even though Ephraim ran wild,
the black sheep of the family.
“God’s tornado is on its way,
roaring out of the desert.
It will devastate the country,
leaving a trail of ruin and wreckage.
The cities will be gutted,
dear possessions gone for good.
16 Now Samaria has to face the charges
because she has rebelled against her God:
Her people will be killed, babies smashed on the rocks,
pregnant women ripped open.
(Hosea 13:15-16, THE MESSAGE)
In the above, notice that Samaria is also affected. This seems to be a reference to the ‘melting pot’ of the USA (Samaria was a melting pot mixture of Babylonians and Israelites).
Then, he ties his invading German armies into taking citizens of he USA to Germany as slaves:
7 “They sow the wind,
And reap the whirlwind.
The stalk has no bud;
It shall never produce meal.
If it should produce,
Aliens would swallow it up.
8 Israel is swallowed up;
Now they are among the Gentiles
Like a vessel in which is no pleasure.
9 For they have gone up to Assyria,
Like a wild donkey alone by itself;
Ephraim has hired lovers. (Hosea 8:6-9)
The passage in Hosea 8 is clearly referring to the descendents of Israel, including Ephraim and Samaria. Notice that they are among the Gentiles and some go to Assyria (end time Germany). There are enough references to whirlwinds and the end time descendents of Israel that it seems like one or more major tornadoes are prophesied to affect them.After being mocked for the last couple of days for defending his vengeful god Bob claims that the people killed by the tornadoes were not necessarily the worst sinners out there. Though they might have had a little good, they were essentially all evil people.
Thus, though some of these passages may also have a figurative sense, major tornadoes are forecasted in biblical prophecy.He ends with his always encouraging tone:
Now, does this mean that those most affected by tornadoes are necessarily worse sinners than those less affected?
The biblical answer is no.
Notice the words of Jesus:
45…He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. (Matthew 5:45)
4 Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them, do you think that they were worse sinners than all other men who dwelt in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no; but unless you repent you will all likewise perish. (Luke 13:4-5)
God uses weather and other events to try to get people’s attention.
God does not want people to suffer, but to turn to Him
He uses weather for correction and for His mercy (Job 37:13).
Will you heed the weather warnings?
Wednesday, May 22, 2013
Over on the All About Armstrongism Blog he has up all of the expected tithes and offerings that the Worldwide Church of God expected/demanded from members. Do you realize that if you had participated 100% in Armstrong's expectation that you would have given the Church 76% of your income?
Flurry, Meredith and the others carry on this same obscene tradition today. The worst offender is Dave Pack who expects members to turn over all retirement programs, mortgage homes and businesses and give every last penny you have to him.
Here is what was expected of true followers:
- First tithe – which was 10% of gross income.
- Second tithe – which was another 10% of gross income.
- Third tithe – which was another 10% of gross income.
- Regular Offerings 3% of gross income
- Holy Day offerings. 4% of gross income.
- Emergency Fund – No percentage given.
- Fourth Year Fruit From Trees (I remember my mother doing this)
- First-fruits – estimate the value and give the money to headquarters
- Firstborn male of cattle (I know farmers who did this)
- Firstborn child – buy back with an offering to headquarters.
- Building fund expectations were 4% of gross income
- Tithe of Tithe expectations were 10% of gross income
- Loans to the work were also expected of members (I remember when the receivership happened and Tkach and Webber stood up in the Hall of Ad and told members to mortgage their homes and businesses to help stop Satan)
- Gifts to the Church
- Special Emergency gifts when the Work was in trouble were also expected of members
- Also mentioned were library funds, recreational funds, spokesman club dues, and social funds.
Check out his entire article at the link above for much more detail on what we were conned out off. These percentages and giving opportunities were from John Pruner's sermon.
All of this to fund a work that was embarrassed to talk about Jesus or God. What impact did HWA have traveling the world talking about a "strong hand from someplace?"
A reader on Gavin's blog made the following comment:
"I have come to realise that nothing is better for people than to be happy and to do good while they live. (Eccl. 3:12)"
Apparently there are NO happy people anywhere in the world and certainly not one single human on the entire planet that does good. Everyone is just miserable human filth that is destined to the worm pile to be eaten by maggots. Such a lovely outlook on life from a typical right wing Armstrongite.Yet I challenge anyone to name a happy person or one that does good.
I am so humbled to just be able to read the 100% accurate prophecies of E. W. King. Can there be any greater human on earth today? Dave Pack thinks he is the greatest, but apparently that is not true. Bob Thiel thinks he is a prophet after getting a double portion of gas. Yet these two little men pale in comparison with the mighty prophecies of King.
Here are a few of his latest 100% accurate utterings. Read them and be amazed!
- E.W.King predicted more Gov-Computer Control!In 2011 and into 2012 I predicted that the US government would continue to try and get more control over the internet. I stated in 2012 my predictions for 2013. I stated in my prophecy forecast:“We will see strong government control over the internet. Government will try and control freedom of speech.”We now have learned that since I stated this last year we find that the Semphonic Monitoring system of computer data is being accomplished by the US Government through the new Utah Data Center which is a new huge government facility.
- E.W.King predicted new illness! MONTGOMERY, Ala.A mysterious respiratory illness of unknown origin has killed two people in southeast Alabama and put five more in the hospital.A May 21 statement from the Alabama Department of Public Health says that seven people have been admitted to a hospital with a fever, cough and shortness of breath in recent weeks.
- E.W.King’s warning about FOX News legal battles continues!In 2012 and in 2012 I informed COGSR members that in the year 2013 FOX News would face legal battles. All of you have been reading our articles know about this and the original posted articles are still up. Remember my rant? I stated in more than one article:“FOX news will face legal battles.”And in today’s news we learn…behold, yet another: Newly uncovered court documents show the Justice Department seized phone records associated with several Fox News lines as part of a leak investigation — a revelation that comes as the White House Correspondents’ Association spoke out against the administration’s monitoring of reporters.
- Mr. E.W.King’s Tornado predictions just won’t stop!Isn’t it amazing? All of the things that COGSR ministries has warned about are coming to pass yet the world continues to close it’s eyes to the TRUTH. How sad. I have several articles about tornados…I have continued to warn about these terrible events.Many of you have sent me emails regarding my tornado predictions. Now…look at what has happened since all of these warnings: A massive and powerful tornado hit Moore, Okla., yesterday, causing widespread destruction, including at least 51 deaths.
- COGSR Against Homosexuals Showering with Straights! “If you are going to let gays shower and change with straights…then let opposite sexes shower and dress together in public facilities with tax payer money!” [This message was given by God’s servant: Mr. E.W.King, founder of COGSR on January 17th, 2012 in Utah. Will the major News Networks address this issue? Probably not! FOX & CNN have ignored Mr. King’s accurate prophecies. They have ignored God’s true Last Day Church!” COGSR]
- China Earthquake: Here’s what we know about Saturday’s massive earthquake that has, for the second time in five years, thrown China’s Sichuan Province into despair: Over 200 people are either dead or missing. Over 11,000 are injured. 17,000 more are homeless, a number that will surely go up.
- Heatwaves! Mr. E.W.King posted in a letter another recent dream, strange indeed! Here is how it goes: “I was watching ships, I think they were military, but not sure. A beam of light came from a land mass and was directed, like a laser, to one of the ships…from there it was reflected to other ships. The dream then went to me being with some other people in a house where we were told that a heat wave was coming our way..this heat wave had already killed many people. They said it should hit around 2012 [perhaps military time?]..then it came, the heat wave. we jumped in a small pool of water to try and cool off…them I woke up. Very strange indeed!”
- Mr. E.W.King gave warnings about the current terrorist attacks!
- Mr. E.W.King warned about UFO freaks in 2013! Look what there doing now! Thank you to everyone who participated in the 2013 International UFO Congress. The event was a success thanks to our wonderful speakers, volunteers, vendors, and of course our attendees. We’re back in the office and are already beginning the preperation for next year’s event. The 2014 International UFO Congress will take place February 19-23, 2014 so mark your calendars!
- “We will see violence of the strange kind enter our homes…through the News!”And what do we see on our televisions? “This is so, so sad… not to mention SCARY!
Here is a little blurb from the Seventh Day Adventists. It seems that just like Armstrongism, they cannot wrap its head around alternative views and scientific data when it come to bible stories.
It is either you believe and teach a literal 6,000 year old earth or you are out the door. Obviously critical thinking is not a well used tool at the "university."
La Sierra, a Seventh-day Adventist university, has teachers who do not believe in a young earth. This upsets the General Conference so much that the teachers who believe in an old earth are to be fired.
PERSONAL: Before I continue with today’s post on Proverbs I wanted to tell a personal story which illustrates some of the focus of Proverbs, much other scripture and the problem in the COG Groups today.
Many years ago my wife and I applied for a job managing a government building. We were well qualified and immediately had a good rapport with the interviewer, being able to answer all their questions correctly and amicably. We did not get the job!
We had wanted this particular job and were disappointed, however by analyzing the interview we learned an important lesson. This may help those out job hunting and as we are hopefully all seeking a “job” in the Kingdom of God, it should help us in understanding the kind of kings and priests that Jesus Christ wants working for him.
At one point in the interview we were asked what we would do in a particular situation. Eager to show off my knowledge and impress them, I said that we would do this and this and this. My answer was CORRECT but it was THE WRONG ANSWER!
The answer being sought was: “I would follow your policy on the matter”!
These folks would be paying someone to manage a huge building and they had a right to have their decades long established policies learned and followed!
THINK! How much more do the Father and Christ have the right to KNOW that their policies of countless millennia, are being followed by candidates for a “job” assisting them and affecting the lives of millions?
If you want to rule, you must learn to live an example of true godliness; and to teach and rule in a godly manner; or we will not get the “job”.
The above screen capture is of a comment a reader here posted on PCG's site the other day. She was responding to a comment by a PCG member claiming that their god had protected his earthly sanctuary in Edmond Oklahoma on the PCG compound.
As if God is actually coming down to Edmond for a cup of tea every once in a while. The "earthly sanctuary" belief is just as stupid as claiming the Ambassador Auditorium was "Gods House."
I had the nerve to write to PCG. They had a whole big article on their site. They mention their booklets, how they missed out on the tornado and how bad they feel. See attached photo of my comment. Its under moderation. I’m Michelle Ruscansky, a critical thinker. Other comments published right away.Publish if you like. We all need to start holding their feet to the fire, and have them put their money where their mouth is.