An Admission:Reincarnation is True
The Apostle David and the Apostle Paul Are One
And The Same
I would like to believe that reincarnation is a
possibility in life. The Bible seems to indicate that some mistook John
the Baptist for Elijah of old or even Jesus as a reincarnated John. Jesus
was the new Adam and even now today we have the Apostle David Pack as the
reincarnated Joshua. Of course, HWA was the reincarnated version of
Zerrubb...Zurub....oh you know who.
But I have to admit, and this pains me,
the Apostle David Joshua Pack and the Apostle Paul are one and the same.
This comparison is without refute. I suspect the Apostle Paul, who by his
own account was a lousy speaker, somewhat unpleasant to look at, unwanted by
any women which is the real reason he was so able to avoid the burden of
marriage to one and a weak bodied presence, seems to have gotten a second
chance and was allowed to return as the Apostle David Joshua Pack for such a
time as this.
Here is the inescapable proof from scripture
itself. Not only that, but I am going to go boldly where few COG ministers
go....the New Testament.
Paul's apostleship was unrecognized by others nor is Dave's.
"Of the 22
times in the Bible where Paul is referred to as an "apostle", only
twice is he referred to as an apostle by someone other than himself! These two
instances came from the same person. Not from Yahshua, or any of the original
apostles, but from Paul's close traveling companion and personal press
secretary Luke. Both accounts are found in Luke's record of the Acts of the
Apostles, (chapter 14:4,14). Here Paul is referred to as an apostle along with
Barnabas. By this time in the story, Luke would have been very accustomed to
Paul calling himself an apostle, and he would no doubt have been in agreement
with Paul's assessment of himself. By these statistics alone, it is evident
that Paul is by far his own biggest fan... and his side kick Luke was his
number two fan. This leaves no one else anywhere in the Bible going on
record recognizing his apostleship!"
the twelve apostles who spent three and a half years with Yahshua, no one other
than Paul can be identified as having claimed for themselves the title of
"apostle". Barnabas was referred to as an apostle along with
Paul by Luke in Acts 14:14, but there is no record of Barnabas claiming the
title for himself."
(thanks to the above site for the insights)
And so it is with
the Apostle David Joshua Pack. I can find NO ONE ELSE on the planet, save
for those in RCG who have ever called DJP an Apostle. Truly, truly proof
of this reincarnation.
"I wanna talk about me!
Dave also wants to talk about him! Awesome coincidence!
epistle author in the Bible wrote like Paul. This would be true on a number of
levels, but one aspect is of particular interest when we are considering how
Paul views himself. He had a way of drawing attention to himself with his usage
of personal pronouns. When it comes to how often he uses words like, "I",
"me", "my", or "mine", the overall
rate in his epistles is almost three times that of his next closest rival.
There are a number of reasons why many scholars today believe Paul was not the
author of the book of Hebrews. One obvious reason is, in the other epistles
credited to him, Paul doesn't hesitate to identify himself along with his
supposed credentials. The author of Hebrews is strangely silent on these
matters. Many scholars believe Barnabas was the author of Hebrews, but I think
Apollos is a far better candidate... but that's a different subject. The point
is, no one knows for sure. But Paul certainly couldn't be in the running
as the author of Hebrews when one also considers the statistical rate of the
personal pronoun usage. The author of Hebrews refers to himself only 9 times,
which is approximately 1.3 personal pronouns per thousand words. To help put
this in perspective, let's compare the book of Hebrews to the book of Romans.
They are both relatively large books of similar length, divided into 13 and 16
chapters respectively. Yet in only the first half of the first chapter of
Romans, which is 16 verses worth, Paul uses twice as many personal
pronouns as the author of Hebrews uses in his entire book! In the book
of Romans, Paul refers to himself 103 times, which is rate of about 18.2 per
thousand! That is 13x greater than Hebrews. In 1 Corinthians, Paul refers to
himself 175 times, in 2Corinthians 103 times again, and in the relatively short
book of Galatians, he refers to himself 69 times which is a rate of 25 personal
pronouns per 1000 words!
It should be
evident that Paul is at least as concerned with making a statement about
himself as he is in communicating what he believes to be the truth about
huh? It's the same with the Apostle Dave. How much proof does one
need! I don't think I have ever quite been able to explain this ever
before as I do today. Well, maybe once in 1997 at 3:30 in NY in a sermon, but
really..nothing like this....I recall thinking how awesome this is when I read
the obituary of Shirley Pack (who was a very nice person by the way,) and the
Apostle Pack had his own picture on the Obituary. Awesome. Just
like the Apostle Paul..well if he had a wife.
The Apostle Paul
was the only source of true truth and got to write the final way it all is in
Christ. Paul Polarized and Dave Plagiarized maybe? No matter...no
one quite understood it all like Paul as so it is with Dave. All of Asia
forsook Paul and rather than wonder why, he just turned them over to God for
forgiveness. Not unlike today...The Apostle David has been often rejected
and persecuted by WCG but he forgives them and has asked God not to charge that
to their accounts..no wait. He just hates them for it. Ok, not just like
Paul in everything.
take a survey of the New Testament, we notice that Paul is the single
greatest contributor to it. When we read the book of Acts, we can't help but
get the impression that the great bulk of what God was doing in the early
church was happening through Paul. But it is misleading, because the book of
Acts was written from only one man's perspective... Luke's. Luke traveled with
Paul on his missionary journeys and the bulk of the book of Acts is the account
of those travels. What we have in Acts is only one man's point of view, and
from Luke's perspective, Paul's story would no doubt have appeared to be front
and center stage. There is a likely reason why Luke chose to follow Paul and
record his story in the first place. Paul branded himself the apostle to the
Gentiles, and Luke, being a Gentile, would have seen Paul as where things were
happening for him. When we consider Paul taught that there is no difference in
God’s eyes between Jew and Gentile, but all believers in Yahshua now constitute
"the true Israel of God", what Gentile who desired to get close to
the God of Israel wouldn’t be absolutely thrilled with Paul? But even though the
view from the book of Acts is polarized and biased, it is still very important
in helping us understand what was happening at that time. Without it we
wouldn't have much of an idea at all. What was done and said as recorded by
Luke is priceless, and we have no good reason to question what he saw and
heard. Luke's own personal thoughts that he interjected occasionally may be
questioned, but they are few and far between. I see no good reason to accuse
Luke of malicious intent. The important thing to remember is that the book of
Acts was written from a very singular point of view.
No doubt, God was
doing other things at that same time. We don't have a detailed record of it,
but we do have some clues. God was certainly working through the original
apostles, and some of those things are recorded in the beginning of Acts. The
apostle John was hard at work for his Lord, but we hear very little from him
until we get to his epistles and the book of the Revelation at the end of the
New Testament. "
Paul's and Dave's claims of
apostleship And YES brethren...I AM an Apostle!
not at all shy about calling himself an apostle. In fact, in nine out of
thirteen of his books, he introduces himself as an apostle of Yahshua, and in
each case states in some way that his apostleship is by heavenly decree.
Here is the question. Should we automatically
believe the testimony of a person who makes grandiose claims about themselves
when all we have for confirmation of their claim is little more than their word
and maybe a statement or two from their best friend? If so, then we should
likewise confirm those like Jim Jones and David Koresh. Unless there is obvious
corroborative evidence to support such claims, all of them should be taken with
a very large grain of salt. Unlike Paul, a true prophet or apostle does not
have to go to such extraordinary lengths to convince the world they are who
they say they are. Even Yahshua said that if he alone bore witness of himself,
his witness was invalid. John 5:31 And of all the people who shouldn't need to
have others testify on their behalf, Yahshua was that person. Yet he had Moses,
the prophets, the Psalms, John the Baptist, the Fathers voice from heaven
saying, "You are My beloved Son..." and hundreds of those who witnessed
his resurrection. Paul had none of these. Though in his conceit, he considered
himself to be God's special gift to the Gentiles, and claimed for himself a
prophecy that was given exclusively to Isaiah in Isaiah 49:6.
"For so the
Lord has commanded us: 'I have set you to be a light to the Gentiles that you
should be for salvation to the ends of the earth." Acts 13:47"
The cycle of
Apostleship is simply amazing. They never go away. They just keep
returning until the planet gets it right! You do almost make me a
Paul, the greatest apostle
and so is David!
Paul's view of himself
as an apostle didn't stop at only claiming to be an apostle. He also did what
he could to communicate to his followers that he topped them all. He even had
the nerve to belittle the very apostles that Yahshua had called and trained for
three and a half years to be his witnesses! Among this braggadocio's
self-flattering quotes are the following.
consider that I am not at all inferior to the most eminent apostles".
...."As the truth of Christ is in me, no one shall stop me from this
boasting in the regions of Achaia." 2 Corinthians
though he knew he should be ashamed of challenging the stature of Yahshua's 12,
he would preface his boast with a statement of unworthiness. No doubt he hoped
people would embrace him as the greatest of apostles because he was so humble.
"For I am
the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I
persecuted the church of God. But by the grace of God I am what I am,
and His grace toward me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than
they all...". 1Corinthians 15:9,10
Aside from the
fact that it was a lie to suggest the ministry had been split up between Jews
and Gentiles ...as though he had exclusive rights to the Gentiles and the 12
were to stay with the Jews..., Paul even had the gall to condescend
specifically on Peter, James, and John when he belittled them to the Galatians.
those who seemed to be something - whatever they were, it makes no
difference to me; God shows personal favoritism to no man- for those who
seemed to be something added nothing to me. But on the contrary,
when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me,
as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter (for He who worked effectively
in Peter for the apostleship to the circumcised also worked effectively in me
toward the Gentiles), and when James, Cephas (Peter), and John, who seemed
to be pillars, perceived the grace that had been given to me, they gave me
and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles
and they to the circumcised." Galatians 2:6,7,9
This is nothing
but an arrogant lie. A couple verses later, Paul takes another cheap-shot at
Peter. With Peter nowhere around to defend himself, Paul brags to the Galatians
how he had determined Peter was a hypocrite, and how he had put him down before
the entire church of Antioch.
Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because
he was to be blamed; for before certain men came from James, he would eat with
the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing
those who were of the circumcision. And the rest of the Jews played the
hypocrite with him so that even Barnabas was carried away with their
hypocrisy. But when I saw that they were not straight forward about the
truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all,
"if you being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews,
why do you compel Gentiles to live as Jews?" Galatians 2:11-14
Galatians 1:8,9, Paul commanded his followers to consider "accursed"
anyone who preaches a different gospel than his. There is little doubt
that Paul wanted the Galatians to think this way toward Peter, if not James,
and John as well. It is obvious to anyone reading the book of Galatians that
Paul was demanding the Galatian church follow no one but him, not even the
original apostles back in Jerusalem.
Aside from Paul's
incredible arrogance, I also need to point out that Paul himself was the
ultimate hypocrite for condemning Peter for accommodating Gentiles when he was
around Gentiles and acting like a Jew around Jews. Here is what he claimed to
do, and commanded the Corinthians to do as well.
I am free from all men, I have made myself a servant to all, that I might win
the more; and to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to
those who are under the law, as under the law, that I might win those who are
under the law; to those who are without the law as without law... that I might
win those who are without law; to the weak I became weak, that I might win the
weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means
save some." 1Corinthians 9:19-22
whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do all to the glory of
God. Give no offense, either to the Jews or to the Greeks or to the
church of God, just as I also please all men in all things, not seeking
my own profit, but the profit of many, that they may be saved. Imitate me, just as
I also imitate Christ." 1Corinthians 10:31-33
When Paul says,
"Imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ" we should do as he
says... because in no way did he imitate Yahshua! Can anyone imagine Yahshua
playing chameleon and saying anything like "I have become all things to all
men" or "I please all men in all things"?
So here we have
Paul, claiming to be greater than any other apostle, belittling Peter, James,
and John by saying they only "seemed" to be pillars of the church,
and that they "added nothing" to him. Then he brags about how he told
off Peter... calling him a hypocrite, and he subtly curses the apostles by
telling the Galatians to consider accursed anyone who differs with him. All
this, while in fact, he was being the greatest hypocrite of all! The
superstitious belief that Paul's words are infallible is so thick that people
can't see the forest for all the trees that are in the way! If anyone else had
even begun to do and say the things that Paul did, we would have recognized
their incredible conceit and rejected them a long time ago. Here is something
relevant that Solomon said.
man praise you, and not your own mouth; A stranger, and not your own
lips." Proverbs 27:2
What can I say
more than this....? Can anyone condemn, pick on, make fun of or label the COGs
better than Apostle David? I think NOT!
Paul and the Ephesians vs Dave and the Buffalonians or Chicagonians
or Rochesterians or....
Now, look at what
was said to the church that we know Paul had been involved in... Ephesus. Among
the things that Yahshua commended the Ephesian church for doing right, is this
"I know your
works, your labor, and your patience, and that you cannot bear those who are
evil. And you have tested those who say they are apostles and are not, and
have found them liars." Rev. 2:2
Yes. I have no
doubts Yahshua was referring to Paul and his companions, and that his claim of
apostleship, as well as his doctrine, were false! Hang in there and
consider all the facts with me for a minute. Here are four of them... with the
silver bullet coming shortly after.
1. Paul's doctrine on
the foreknowledge of God is not only groundless (because he had to abuse
Scripture to support it), it is blasphemous, because it outright accuses God of unrighteousness.
(See previous chapters)
We have record of Paul claiming to be an apostle to the Ephesians.
"Paul, an apostle of Yahshua by the will of God, To the saints who are in
Ephesus," Ephesians 1:1
3. We have no record
of anyone else claiming to be an apostle to anyone anywhere, not even to the
Paul and his doctrine had troubles being accepted in Ephesus.
"And he went
into the synagogue and spoke boldly for three months, reasoning and persuading
concerning the things of the kingdom of God. But when some were hardened and
did not believe, but spoke evil of the way before the
multitude..." Acts 19:8,9
Remember, this is
recorded from Luke’s point of view and he believed Paul's doctrine was
"the Way". Notice that those who rejected Paul are men of the
synagogue and not atheists or pagans. If these men had stood up in front of the
synagogue and said, "Paul's doctrine is flawed. He is a false apostle, and
a liar", Luke would no doubt have seen this as "speaking evil of the
If these four
reasons are not enough to seriously call into question Paul's status as an
apostle there is one more. It is a most interesting quote from Paul's own pen
that finally seals the fate of his supposed apostleship. It comes from his
second letter to Timothy, written during the same Neronian persecution in which
John was given the Revelation. This letter is believed by many scholars to
contain the last recorded words of Paul. Here he makes a short statement of
lament that seems to have gone unnoticed... the implications of which are
devastating to Paul if one is able to hear everything that is being said. Paul
makes this statement to Timothy.
know, that all those in Asia have turned away
from me." 2Timothy 1:15
of them! Rejecting Paul! And when he says, "This you
know", it sounds like this must have been relatively common knowledge at
that time. Asia! The very place that Yahshua told John to write,
where his seven churches were! And they were alive, and obviously
had been established for some time. Paul did not say that Asia had rejected
Yahshua. Obviously they hadn't rejected Yahshua if there were thriving churches
there that Yahshua wanted to address through John. Instead Paul said that all
Asia had rejected him personally! This is also corroborated in the book
of Acts where men from Asia accuse Paul of teaching against the Law, and
bringing an Ephesian friend into the temple.
And when the seven
days were almost ended, the Jews from Asia, seeing him in the temple,
stirred up the whole crowd and laid hands on him. crying out, "Men of
Israel, help! This is the man who teaches all men everywhere against the
people, the Law, and this place: and furthermore he also brought Greeks
into the temple and has defiled this holy place." (For they had previously
seen Trophimus the Ephesian with him in the city, whom they supposed
that Paul had brought into the temple.) Acts 21:27-29
Try to grasp the
profound significance of all this. Here we have in the book of Revelation the
words of Yahshua commending the Ephesian church for rejecting
someone who claimed to be his apostle, while Paul is the only person other than
the twelve original apostles to have claimed to be an apostle... and we know he
has made this very claim to this same Ephesian church. At the same time,
Paul laments himself of the fact that he has been rejected
by them! How could it NOT be Paul and his associates that
Yahshua had commended the Ephesian church for rejecting? Could it be much
more obvious? Here are the facts, paraphrased, one more time.
Paul to the Ephesians: "I am an apostle of Yahshua"
The Ephesians to Paul: "No you're not."
Yahshua to the Ephesians: "Well done!"
I can't speak for
you, but I''m convinced. The Apostle Paul and the Apostle David are one
and the same. Brothers from other mothers maybe but yet the same.
Self appointed, ego centric, terrible team players, making shit up as they go,
rejected by most, braggarts, telling their story differently than reality would
have it and of course, chosen from the womb or in Apostle David's case, chosen
by Haggai in the 6th century BC. Bronze Age Apostle Dave I suppose.
"Let the wise
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