Dave Pack: Tiptoe Just Right

 

Tiptoe Just Right

The righteous are as bold as a lion, but David C. Pack has to tiptoe just right.

The Pastor General of The Restored Church of God did his best to deprogram the brethren away from remembering Jesus Christ had to return at sunrise on Pentecost by force-feeding them his Tammuz Trifecta supposedly occurring on July 7.

The third time's the charm, except for all things David C. Pack. The man is a sitting legend of prophetic failure, atrocious speaking ability, and the most astonishing piss-poor reading comprehension skills of anyone you will ever know. That does not stop him from being The Little Theologian That Could.

After nothing happened on June 16, it was another biblical fraud brainstorming session in the Third Floor Executive Imaginarium where Coffee Kid and Pepper Boy pulled out their “Tammuz 1” notes stored in Bankers Boxes marked 2022 and 2023 from under the sink.

Four crucial messages were essential for the brethren of The Restored Church of God to be adequately prepared to receive salvation to feed a gluttonous ego.

The Greatest Untold Story!
Part 519 on June 20 – 1:27:49     Part 520 on June 22 – 1:51:05
Part 521 on June 29 – 1:58:49     Part 522 on June 29 – 1:28:42

After completing four messages lasting 6 hours, 48 minutes, and 25 seconds, Tammuz 1 should be undeniably proven, and the Series must be over…right?

Well, not quite.

David C. Pack has fully adopted a tiptoe preaching style that avoids definitive assertions brimming over with power and confidence. Instead, the members of The Restored Church of God have to make do with being their own judges about what he might be suggesting:

“Mr. Pack thinks he is pretty sure with all that he can see right now based on what he currently understands since he is doing this all on his own without an oracle from God. He is doing this alone and hasn’t had as much time as Mr. Armstrong to figure this out. He is not prophesying. He is simply teaching what the Bible says."

David C. Pack now timidly slinks through the Headquarters' hallways on his tippy toes, avoiding all "impossible that it's wrong" proclamations since exposing his soft underbelly during Part 520.

Flashback Part 520 – June 22, 2024
@ 1:44:09 You don’t want that pressure on you. I promise you. You have no idea how many of our enemies are sitting out there mocking what I took on that nobody else even saw. You have no idea.

@ 1:45:39 I had under nine years working alone with ferocious opposition. And boy, if I don’t tiptoe just right, you just can’t even believe. You can’t even believe.

Triggered by his internal defense mechanism, Dave carefully worded “our enemies," “mocking what I took on” rather than HIS enemies mocking HIM. He wants to believe the ferocious opposition is focused on the foolish malarkey, not the foolish malarkey maker.

Another observation for budding psychologists and body language experts is that this inappropriate smirk at this moment expresses extreme discomfort.

 

Even though Dave tiptoed just right through his concluding 3 hours and 27 minutes, there were notable changes for the brethren of The Restored Church of God to judge on their own.

•  New Moon services have officially ended.
•  Jesus Christ is NOT the Branch. Again.
•  The Kingdom comes at sunset, not sunrise.
•  There could be a delay until Tammuz 5 (July 11, 2024).
•  The translators got something right.

David C Pack sounded like his usual self at the start of “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 521)” on June 29, 2024. Nobody could have guessed that major tiptoeing was coming later.

Part 521 – June 29, 2024
@ 01:56 I’ve got some of the most wonderful things. Just the most wonderful, wonderful, happy, powerful things to cover here on what I still believe is our last Sabbath before we’re outta time. And …it’s almost like God has saved the best for last.

Dave proves he does not have a clue about his own content in 3…2…1…

@ 12:31 Sometimes, as I like to say, preaching is fun. If you’re teaching the truth, it’s always fun.

As a former eyewitness who sat in the Main Hall at Headquarters from December 2012 until March 2021, I would testify in a court of law that David C. Pack's teachings are not fun. In fact, the misery he inflicts on his audience sucks all the joy and peace out of the room, making the Sabbath a burden to bear.

David C. Pack does not teach the truth. He teaches his private interpretation of the truth. This is why nothing biblical will happen on Tammuz 1 or Tammuz 5 this year. There will be no tiptoeing past that.

 

David C. Pack will either exalt or abase a person, place, or thing when it suits his needs. He will sing praises one day but give a backhanded slap the next. According to David C. Pack, nobody has thwarted him more during his solo journey to ending the Mystery of God than the King James Bible translators.

Before Dave gushes, refresh yourself with his status quo.

Flashback Part 382 – July 17, 2022
@ 16:17 Now we’re gonna go over and look at an almost unbelievable mistranslation. …you’re almost not gonna believe the translators could’ve been so terribly wrong and how it affected my ability to figure outhow the Day of the Lord comes.

Flashback Part 417 – February 2, 2023
@ 03:16 Now, as I like to say, “Our old friend Miss Translations” has revisited us one more time. And it’s powerful. …I can only wish I had learned this long ago. I would have never wrestled if a single word were correctly translated.

Flashback Part 441 – May 6, 2023
@ 52:30 Here’s an example of trying to deal with a terrible mistranslation. …And the answer is a grievous, horrific, the worst mistranslation (probably) in the Bible.

Since the divorce, the Bible translators must have gone on a diet, hit the gym, dyed their hair blonde, and gotten implants because Dave was practically drooling over them.

Part 521 – June 29, 2024
@ 25:26 The translators knew in Colossians 2:16, they knew that this was talkin’ about Pentecost. The translators knew Paul had Pentecost in mind. And the world keeps Pentecost.

@ 26:13 They knew what Pentecost was, and they knew that Paul was talking about Sivan.

@ 26:30 Kind of interesting. So, I just thought you’d find it also very helpful if we’re looking for metrics that the translators understood the shadow month was Pentecost.

@ 27:29 These brilliant men who knew Greek and Hebrew understood exactly what month Paul was talking about.

The same men who kept Dave from correctly understanding God’s word for decades are now brilliant for the first time in his life. Wow. A man who claims his enemies as his allies is in a truly sorry state.

But we can tiptoe past that.

 

Despite the biblical evidence, David C. Pack repeats something until it becomes true. He also ignores verses that disprove his current assumption, only to return later and tout those exact skipped words, claiming they make him right this time.

RCG New Moons No Mo

The fleeting love The Restored Church of God once had for New Moon observances started waning almost immediately, maybe because they sometimes kept them on the wrong day.

Once RCG skipped their first service due to a lack of spiritual food, it was apparent there was trouble in paradise. They signaled their doctrinal distancing back in February, much to the chagrin of Edward L. Winkfield, who is no longer smiling about the wonderful gift of New Moons.

Knowledge-free “Understanding New Moons” in November 2023 did little more than admit they did not understand New Moons. This open shame for Edward Winkfield should cause him to think twice before leaping to the front of the room to be the poster child of non-critical thinking.

Dave tiptoed just right, reversing his New Moon doctrines by teaching what Herbert W. Armstrong already knew in the 1950s.

Ah, gee whiz, fellas. Do you mean New Moons are not Holy Days or Sabbaths and should not be kept the same way? If only those Bible verses were more plain.

Dave likes to hammer the same idea over and over as if saying one thing ten times has the same weight as saying ten things once. He desperately sells the concept that there are no services or messages on New Moons. You know, like they used to teach until November last year.

Instead of just reading two verses and putting a button on it after two minutes, Dave squeezed every bit of exhausting juice from the rotten fruit of his biblical understanding. There is a morbid mental conditioning where he will not relent until his audience is drained into weary acceptance.

To elicit empathy for the brethren in the room, note the timestamps between the droning.

@ 34:32 Now, that’s one of the most astonishing discoveries I’ve ever made. So, when you’re talking about eating and drinking just on a regular New Moon… No indication of any kind of Sabbath. Certainly no Holy Day there. So, we’re thinking the church never kept New Moons.

He could have ended here. Instead, twenty more minutes occupy a singular point.

@ 44:52 You know, one of the things I was noticing as I went back and started doing a more diligent research,we’re gonna we’re we’re gonna see we’re gonna keep learning here. There’s nothing about a message on a New Moon. They’re nothing about a Bible study. Now, the church didn’t keep it.

Instead of plaguing Headquarters with more messages, RCG brethren are “encouraged” to just eat something. You know, like every other day of the week.

@ 45:13 So, if I fear God and I’m faithful, then I have to tell you, I’m learning that New Moons are not for the same purpose as Holy Days and Sabbaths are. It’s revel time. So, brethren around the world can revel in this in little groups even if they–alone to try to do it, but there’s no message to try to tune in to. That’s what I began to notice.

@ 46:24 I did the best I knew. It didn’t hurt us to keep eight Bible studies. But I don’t I I can’t find a single bit of evidence that’s what it [marriage in Cana] is. I'll tell you, I’ll tell you wuh-wuh where the confusion lie. Oh, it’s interesting.

@ 49:09 There’s no evidence here or in John 2 that a message occurred. Sacrifices, yes. God wants His people to have a party, but His kind of party.

@ 49:26 There’s a place for Bible studies. You know, we’re having one now. But, coordinating these worldwide has been a great challenge due just to time zones. How do we do this? And the answer is: You aren’t supposed to.

If Dave is pounding on the table, it must be true.

@ 52:42 You you actually you’re you’re left with you have no choice but to believe that because there’s [pounds on the table] no evidence that [pounds on the table] anything [pounds on the table] was ever [pounds on the table] taught [pounds on the table] on [pounds on the table] New Moons.

@ 57:41 So, that’s the closest you’ll ever get to what a New Moon would be. It would be the Night to Be Much Observed.

Okay. We get it. New Moons are unlike Sabbaths or Holy Days and do not have commanded assemblies. This Church Administration email clarified just how unimportant New Moons are now in RCG.

July 5, 2024
Reminder New Moon of Tammuz 1 – Sunday, July 7

Greeting brethren,

This is a reminder that the next New Moon is this coming Sunday, July 7.

As Mr. Pack mentioned in a recent message, there will no longer be a Bible Study on this occasion. Instead, where possible, we encourage you to gather and enjoy a meal and fellowship to commemorate the New Moon.

If you have any questions, please talk to your minister.

Kind regards,
Church Administration

Wade Cox must be super happy Dave set his ball down and walked off the New Moon field leaving him as king of the kook hill.

If Jesus Christ will bring the Kingdom of God on July 7, why did Dave even go down this disavowal road? Because according to RCG, there will be a New Moon that day. Depending on who you believe, it already occurred at 6:59 PM on July 5 or is to be observed on July 6. Either way, RCG no longer needs to fret about accuracy, which has been their custom for many years.

 

David C. Pack tiptoes just right when seeking members’ approval.

Part 521 – June 29, 2024
@ 1:32:28 Hopefully, I’m givin’ you plenty to buzz about in the first part.

Part 522 – June 29, 2024
@ 20:18 I hope you’re finding this as inspiring as in hearing that as I am in delivering it. I just almost don’t want the message to end. But I know, of course, it has to.

He tiptoes just right when he changes the timing for the arrival of the Kingdom of God.

@ 26:58 I wanna correct something. It’s a minor correction, but it’s helpful. It has to do with dawn. Is a dawn arrival (whatever day it is) is a dawn arrival correct?

The short answer is: No. Dawn is not correct. Dave returns to sunset, but it takes him 14 minutes of tiptoeing to get there.

@ 30:21 Once I went back, and just it struck me what our wait won’t be quite as long. If we’re waiting for the New Moon, we’re waiting for the start of it. Not the end of it.

@ 30:38 So, whatever day it is, we’re not waiting for dawn Jerusalem time. So far, it looks like we’re waiting for dusk Jerusalem time.

@ 40:20 Hopefully, that’s helpful and inspiring. It means our wait is a little bit less than we thought. 

@ 40:39 Earlier, like maybe I’m found so doing if am I at home? Or if it’s the fifth [of July], then I’m here in the office and others are, too. Maybe. Maybe. All right. I hope that’s helpful and also inspiring.

Inspired to do what and feel what? That was always a mystery to me while attending RCG and should perplex everyone still there.

 

Dave tiptoed just right through the caveat that nothing could happen on Tammuz 1 due to a delay, and receiving an oracle from God is not all it is cracked up to be.

@ 1:22:59 If we would been told if we learned the date that this would happen by an oracle, no one would be say, "Wait for it." We woulda heard God's voice. Or Gabriel's voice. Or the Angel of the Lord, Christ. You wouldn't say, "Wait for it, it won't tarry," if you heard an oracle. It was a date that had to be discerned. Now, what I cannot explain today I cannot I don't know if it delay, if it delay. Or when it delays or though it delay.

@ 1:27:15 I don’t know how you delayed the Kingdom if we’re just waiting to the first day of the month after the last message. It reads to me like (and I wish it didn't), but it reads like it’s the a delay off of what you might expect.

The delay verses in the Bible will never go away, giving David C. Pack perpetual insulation when the arms of the clock do not relent. He is not God's inspired preacher. He is just teaching what the Bible says, which makes him utterly worthless as a self-proclaimed prophecy expert. Dave doesn't know Jack.

@ 1:27:37 So, if we’re here next week, I believe it will be because there’s more to tell you. Maybe including more details I haven’t shared about the fifth [of Tammuz].

Despite tiptoeing just right, David C. Pack has no special insight, no special discernment, no special inspiration, and is receiving no divine guidance. He is simply a theological narcissist sitting at the front of the room, conning people into assuming what he says means anything because he quotes the Bible.

@ 1:28:26 And if there’s more to say, I’ll learn it through the week. And maybe we’ll all be watching the horror of breakout if that’s what happens.

 If. If. If. I believe. Maybe. If. Maybe. If.

Dave will ALWAYS have more to say, and calling this “The Greatest Unending Story!” is shockingly accurate even when David C. Pack tries to tiptoe just right during Parts 521 and 522. His brash, impossible boldness was nowhere to be found, which was inarguably missing.

Maybe the Pastor General has converted to becoming a verbal pacifist tamed by the ferocious opposition of unnamed enemies who document what he says.

David C. Pack is a hypocritical, blaspheming liar not led by the Holy Spirit to proclaim dates for the return of Jesus Christ. He is a false apostle, false prophet, and false teacher forever denied the glory and fear of men he so desperately seeks.

The righteous are as bold as a lion, but David C. Pack has to tiptoe just right.

Marc Cebrian

See: Tiptoe Just Right

Rod Meredith's Brutal Take Down Of Bob Thiel And His "Egotistical Ideas"

The Great Bwana Bob Mzungu Thiel loves to claim that Rod Meredith, Richard Ames, Doug Winnail, and other LCG evangelists/ministers ALL reportedly said that he was a prophet. That is just one more in a long stream of lies that the Great Bwana uses to manipulate people. This is exactly why Living Church of God members and the rest of the Church of God movement have all turned their backs on him. This is also why the lies he says about Gaylyn Bonjour and Dibar Apartian are all figments of his delusions and fantastical imaginations.

"However, Bob, your own remarkable vanity and “dreams of greatness” have greatly affected your ability to think clearly many times. Over the last few years, many of us have noted that you have begun to think of yourself in terms that are not realistic. Also, to abet your desires to be a “great one” in the Work, you have carefully and cleverly twisted and enlarged upon many things people have mentioned to you." -RCM 

"Recently, I had a meeting with Messrs. Ames, Winnail, Wakefield and my son, Jim, to discuss this paper you sent to Mr. Wakefield (and now I see you have also sent it to Messrs. Tyler and Weston). All of us in the meeting except Mr. Wakefield have gotten to know you somewhat and have heard many others express concern about your egotistical ideas that you believe you are a prophet or one of the two witnesses. I will not take the time to argue about every single point you bring up in your paper; that is not the important matter. I will just say that over and over you subtly twist, enlarge upon or exaggerate many of the things you think you heard—some of which you may have “partially heard” but enlarged upon in your own mind and received in a way that was not intended by the one doing the speaking." - also RCM

Hat tip RSK 

Carnivores On The Ark

 

Holier-Than-Thou Crackpot Prophet Proceeds To Smear Richard Ames After His Death

 

The Holy Trinity had no idea what would happen when they dreamed up Bob Thiel as the foundations of the world were being laid. They knew perilous times were going to raise their ugly head in the mid-21st century and that people would be looking towards men to save them instead of Jesus. The Holy Trinity knew that there would be a slew of crazy men who would self-appoint themselves in the end times, so they made the Great Bwana to be part of their grand scheme of things. No greater man would ever lead the  True Church.

No other human in the history of the church would ever be of the caliber than what the Great Bwana would possess. No human man would ever be as educated, know more about the Catholic church, nor have the greatest understanding of prophecy. Even St John, as he and others were writing the book of Revelation did not fully understand the hidden things like the Great Bwana would.

That amazing insightful knowledge was revealed to us all once again when the Great Bwana Bob Mzungu Thiel rose up in the early 2,000's as God's greatest gift to the church since Jesus. Astounding wisdom has rolled off the velvety lips of the Great Bwana as the entire historical line of church prophecy was to be revealed through him.

Sadly, other Church of God leaders balked at this revealed knowledge and let Satan turn them away from the "truths" that the Great Bwana Bob came to deliver. The most egregious sinners in this matter were the men of the Living Church of God who rejected the Great Bwana en-mass. Stung by this rejection the Great Bwana continues to lash out in fits of rage and anger.

Rod Meredith, his spiritual father in the church turned his back on him. Various other evangelists and church leaders in the Living Church of God also turned their backs on him, many times after puffing up his ego as they smiled and told him all kinds of meaningless platitudes in order to keep his tithes coming.

Lately, after learning that Richard Ames was in the hospital and not expected to live, the Great Bwana made sure everyone knew that Ames was in his prayers. His expectation was that if Ames would repent of his rejection of the Great Bwana that God would heal him for some kind of amazing end-time push as the world has never seen.

The Great Bwana never got to see that happen and today had to lash out at Ames and other Living Church of God ministers for their rejection of him.

The Great Bwana Mzungu writes:

His death was not unexpected as Richard Ames has been quite ill for some time. 

 

His wife Kathryn is in my prayers. My wife Joyce and her, long got along well. 

 

Anyway, I first met Richard Ames at Ambassador Auditorium in Pasadena, California back in 1980. 

 

I have mixed feelings about him, which makes writing this difficult.

The Great One continues by trotting out Gaylyn Bonjour:

The late LCG minister Gaylyn Bonjour made the following statement about him:

Richard Ames is loyal to a fault. 

 

Gaylyn emphasized the last word. Gaylyn also emphasized that Richard Ames had great difficulty admitting mistakes. 

 

Richard Ames, himself, said he wanted to be remembered as one who, “Turned many to God.” 

 

Yet, his acts of omission tended to allow many to not be Philadelphian.

Poor Richard Ames, you did not acknowledge the awesomeness of the Great Bwana so you deliberately sent many Church of God members into the tribulation. Shame on you!

Like EVERYTHING the Great Bwana writes, this ends up being a story about HIMSELF and how great he is and how incredibly insightful and knowledgeable he is.

Richard Ames, along with the late Dr. Roderick C. Meredith and Dr. Douglas Winnail, was one who stated that he believed I might be a prophet of God. 

Given the track record of these men in Pasadena and them saying such blasphemous things is appalling. They watched as hundreds of crackpots came and went in Pasadena claiming to be prophets. The idea of these men publicly telling the Great Bwana this to his face is comical, at best.

Next, we learn that the Great Bwana was having "visions" as early as 2009, which clearly demonstrates that the delusions had started creeping in early on.

Furthermore, in a meeting with the Charlotte evangelists on December 15, 2011, Richard Ames commended me for an article I had posted earlier that morning defending various fasts that LCG had called (LCG Fast Comments and Complaints). We specifically discussed my view that “I personally received certain spiritual insights/gifts as the result of LCG fasts in 2009, 2010, and 2011” related to me and the matter of prophecy, spiritual gifts, and insight into how acquiring certain information on Greco-Roman Catholic prophecy was helpful. 

Next, we get to see just how absurd the mind of the Great Bwana works. After a prayer was said and they all said "Amen" it further sealed in the Great Bwana's mind that he was now special and set apart. Who knew saying the word amen was such a powerful incantation! 

Did you know that the Great Bwana's writings were to become an "additional witness" much like Joseph Smith's Book of Mormon was claimed to be.

At another meeting with the then LCG evangelists in Charlotte (North Carolina) on December 16, 2011, Richard Ames prayed, with “Amen” concurrence from Dr. Meredith and Dr. D. Winnail, that “Dr. Thiel” would continue to do the work that God has had given me to do, etc. He also specifically called my writings/work “an additional witness.” Hence, there was a concurrence with the evangelical and prophetic fruits of that work I was doing. This, also in my view, was unintended confirmation from all the Charlotte-based evangelists of LCG that I was authorized to speak out in an evangelical and prophetic role; like a “prophetic evangelist” or “evangelistic prophet.” 

The Great Bwana will latch on to anything that he thinks promotes himself and lift him up into his adulterous position.  

But I do not believe Richard Ames shared that type of information in proper detail with people like LCG’s current presiding evangelist Gerald Weston.

Bad meanie, Ames refused to share much of the information that the Great Bwana supposedly revealed to him. This was the beginning of Ames's death sentence.

The Great Bwana then goes on to list several things Ames was guilty of:

Richard Ames also agreed in meetings over the years that LCG taught the wrong prophetic sequence regarding the 11th chapter of the Book of Daniel as well as the start of the Great Tribulation and that LCG should adopt what I proposed on that. But that was never corrected by him nor LCG.

Because they refused to heed his demands, the Great Bwana lays out this overused warning:

Unless that changes, LCG will NOT know when the Great Tribulation will begin until it is basically too late.

The Great Bwana continues:

Richard Ames also concurred that various statements in LCG’s Official Statement of Fundamental Beliefs needed to be corrected. And even though he and the then presiding evangelist of LCG said they would fully correct it by the and of January 2012, that never happened.

Finally wise men were waking up to the lies that the Great Bwana was trying to blackmail them with.

On October 8, 2012, Richard Ames told me he was still willing to see why LCG’s then new (officially taught in 2012) falling away doctrine was wrong–but although he never corrected it

Note that in 2012, the Great Bwana Bob Mzungu apostatized from the Living Church of God in a fit of rebellion to start his own church. The butthurt from constantly being rejected stung too much (and still does as he never stops talking about it). 

Also on October 8, 2012, Richard Ames again agreed to consider fixing various errors that LCG taught related to church history (which he originally did in 2008 or 2009), but he never actually did

Being the narcissist he is, he ends by quoting Aaron Dean who comments that with the death of Ames, there are not many left of the "old guard".

That said, last week Aaron Dean, currently in the United Church of God, sent me the following: 

 

Dear Bob,

Thanks for the letter and the links in it. Glad you finally got a French hymnal for your people.

I heard Richard Ames is in palliative care with his organs shutting down. Seems the old guard is leaving fairly quickly. A few of us will be the ‘old guard’ pretty soon.

All the Best,

Aaron 

 

Yes, there are less and less of us who were once part of the old Worldwide Church of God who are still around.

The idea that the Great Bwana Bob believes he is one of the few "old guard" left is comical and absurd. Herbert Armstrong would have smacked his icky narcissistic ass to the curb so fast his head would still be spinning. The great Bwana Bob Mzungu is no more the old guard than he is a true Church of God leader. 

 

UCG: United in Spirit and Truth, Growing in Love

 

United Church of God recently held a conference in Australia for their ministers in that region (9 from Australia, 1 from New Zealand). 

This is the result of the conference, though whenever a COG starts proclaiming they are the most unified COG, there is trouble on the horizon.

Unity is a rare thing 

In a world where division, discord and an attitude of “lawlessness” clearly exist in governments and political parties, and in many of the world’s churches, true unity is a rare thing. How many of the churches of the world—which say they follow Christ—have divided in recent years over differences in opinion concerning the promotion of alternate lifestyles? How many have decided to appoint ministers who live one of those alternate lifestyles? How many have changed their position on women in the ministry, or on their teachings of how Jesus Christ looked at “love”? 

 

People and religions change their beliefs and violate the clear word of God, simply to fit in with trends in society. 

 

Yet, as we have the opportunity to visit God’s people around the world, we find brothers and sisters who are grounded in the Bible and truth. We have and we preach the same doctrine that Jesus Christ taught and commanded His Church to observe. We worship God on the day He sanctified and set aside for worship, and we observe His Holy Days that provide a clear vision of His plan for mankind. 

 

God has made known to us, all over the world, the same truth and the same vision of His Kingdom. He has given us all His Spirit that makes us a worldwide family, united in spirit and truth, growing in love and one-ness with each other and Him. 

 

Thank you, brethren around the world, for your continued commitment to God and His work and His plan. Thank you for striving for the unity that God desires for all of us, and thank you for following Him, continually coming out of the world and embracing and applying His ways and principles to your daily lives. 

 

And thank you for raising godly children who understand His plan and way and see the benefits of His way of life as you live the way of the Kingdom, teaching His way daily “when you rise up and when you lie down.” Thank you for letting God, through His Spirit, lead you and us into truth, understanding and unity. And thank you for practicing true agape in your lives.

UPDATED: Challenging Bob Thiel To A Truth Test

Bob, I challenge you to a truth Test. 

You say I'm an accuser of the Brethren. 

You say I bore false witness against Bradox Ouma Ocheing. 

You say he didn't run in the election of 2022 as an MCA. You said publicly that you accept the truth that Bradox Ouma Ocheing didn't run in the 2022 Election. You say that you accept the excuse that someone put his name on the Ballot. 

You say that I'm spreading lies. 

Admit I'm right and Bradox Ouma Ocheing and his Father Big Man Evans lied to you and fire them or don't say anything at all about this, and people will know who is telling the truth. 

Let's go to Kenya and go to the Election Board and get this resolved once and for all to know the truth. You up for it Bob!!! 

Will you accept the findings and admit!!!! 

I don't want to hear any of your Fairy tale excuses, on this or anything else. 

Do this if you want to show yourself right, or simply shut your mouth and let the people figure out your silence on the subject!!! 

LCG Ministers know you would have destroyed the church, that's why they finally got tired of your demands, I mean you can't even discern fantasy from reality. 

Richard Ames has a clear conscience in regard to you, they see what crazy stuff you're doing in Africa and now they're glad you are gone.

Terry Nelson

Addendum:

Yeah, I know, Bob is in deep Denial, but I figured if he really wants to set the record straight, he'll do it. So until then old CCOG Friends - pressure the Prophet to put this to the Test. Remember you must prove all things. WILL YOU ALL DO IT !!!!!! 

Will you do it Louis Rubin, or are you Afraid? 

Will you do it Teresa D.? 

Will you believe what you can see and read? I think you wouldn't be that gullible. The same goes for everything that was revealed here; it's all True!!!! 

We Pleaded with Dr Thiel and the former Elder Sasha Veljic told me and others he felt Thiel was insane or under A Demonic Spell. I'm 100% sure when you see the truth and ask him, you will be shocked!!!! 

Dr Thiel has deceived himself into believing he is a Prophet of God and these African shim sham men have blinded him and fed him his Delusional Dream of Greatness. 

This could be another JONES TOWN INCIDENT. 

Sasha Veljic concluded.

IN THE NEAR FUTURE, I FEAR FOR MY FORMER FRIENDS IN CCOG, AS I'M STARTING TO REALLY BELIEVE DR THIEL IS BEING LED BY SATAN AND WHEN SATAN LEAVES HIM, HE MOST LIKELY WILL DO AS JUDAS ISCARIAT DID, BUT MOST LIKELY HE'LL TAKE MANY WITH HIM. WHEN MEMBERS CAN'T DISCERN FOR THEMSELVES PICTURES, POSTERS, MANY EYEWITNESSES, OFFICIAL DOCUMENTS, WHAT DOES THAT SAY!!!!? IT SCREAMS JIM JONES BABY!!!! African Rubbish!!!!

These Words of Wisdom come from our late friend Sasha Aleksander Veljic. Sasha Veljic before his Death told me former Worldwiders and Believers and other Folks should write and call Dr Bob Thiel. Demand an investigation, call the State of California to determine and investigate what Dr Thiel is really doing in Africa, crimes against Humanity, and Witchdoctors and human Sacrifice financed by a Man that claims to be a Prophet of God

Terry Nelson

Richard Ames Could Be Healed If He Would Acknowledge The Great Bwana Bob Mzungu Thiel Was Correct

Just when you thought the idiocy that comes out of COG leaders' mouths could not get any more vile, along comes the Great Bwana to Africa Bob Mzungu Thiel to erase all doubt. Even Gerald Flurry and Dave Pack fail in comparison to the wicked diarrhea that Bwana Bob lets sprew forth from his lips almost on a daily basis now.

Richard Ames, a long-time Church of God member and ordained as an evangelist has been seriously ill over the last month or so. He is in the intensive care unit at the hospital now and some are suggesting he is getting palliative care. (Note: Richard Ames died July 4th, 2024)

Ames, along with Rod Meredith and other church leaders of the Living Church of God were "warned" by the Great Bwana Bob Mzungu that they were doctrinally wrong on several subjects, particularly when it came to prophecy. According to the Great Bwana Bob Mzungu, he and he alone has the correct interpretation of scripture and prophecy and the Living Church of God was expected to heed his demands. Rod Meredith and others, including Ames, ignored Bwana Bob Mzungu's demands, and that caused him to get his wholistic panties all in a knot, apostatize, and create a new splinter cult.

Ames along with many others counseled Meredith to ignore Bwana Bob's demands and that has left a permanent butthurt on the Great Bwana that he has never recovered from.

Yesterday, the Great Bwana hinted that Richard Ames could be healed and used as a powerful end-time voice IF and only IF he would acknowledge the Great Bwana Bob was right. Healing would be immediate and God's endtime work would go forth in power.

0702/24 a.m. In his latest posted letter, LCG's Gerald Weston reported the following:

I’m sure that Mr. Richard Ames and his wife Kathryn are on the minds of all of you. As of this writing, all I can pass on is that Mr. Ames is in critical condition in an intensive care unit.

Richard Ames and his wife Kathryn remain in my prayers. If Richard Ames will let God use him to reveal various facts he is aware of, I believe God will give him that opportunity soon.

False Teachers Walk Among Us

Everyone is always out to get LCG/COG members. If they have such "infallible proofs", why do they not have confidence and faith in the one they claim to follow? Living in fear seems to be more comfortable for the church.

Prove Your Beliefs: Many today assume that simply “believing in Jesus” and “accepting Him into your heart” is all that is required of Christians. However, the Bible teaches differently. Numerous scriptures warn of false teachers who will talk about Jesus and deceive people (Matthew 24:3–5), even labeling them as ministers of Satan (2 Corinthians 11:1–15). This is why the Apostle Paul urged Christians to “Test [examine carefully] all things; hold fast what is good” (1 Thessalonians 5:21). Luke writes that the beliefs of early Christians were based on eyewitness accounts and provide “many infallible proofs” of Christ’s miracles and resurrection (Luke 1:1–2: Acts 1:1–3). The Apostle Peter urged believers to “always be ready to give a defense to everyone who asks you a reason for the hope that is in you” (1 Peter 3:15) as Paul confidently did before Roman leaders (Acts 26). If we take time to prove our beliefs, we can do the same thing.

Have a profitable Sabbath,

Douglas S. Winnail

Is It Your Mission To Become A God So You Can Reign At The Right Hand Of Christ?

 

Stay Focused on Our Mission: The lessons of history show that mankind and God’s Chosen People have drifted off course again and again. Adam and Eve made wrong choices that sent human history off in a wrong direction—due to Satan’s influence. Ancient Israel turned away from God and reaped serious consequences. Modern Israelite nations are following the same path. Jesus called disciples and raised up His Church to preach the Gospel (Mark 1:14–15; 16:15), warn the world of consequences of sin, and announce events that indicate His return is near (Mark 13, Matthew 24). The mission of God’s Church also includes preparing individuals to reign with Jesus Christ in the Kingdom of God (Luke 1:17; Revelation 5:10). To obtain this challenging and exciting reward, we must avoid being distracted by the cares and temptations of this world and stay focused on our mission (Matthew 13:10–23).

Have a profitable Sabbath,

Douglas S. Winnail

New Book: The Christian in the Cult – And How to Discover Humanity in Christ, By Jim Valekis

Buy it here: Kharis Publishing

The Christian in the Cult – And How to Discover Humanity in Christ, By Jim Valekis
Kharis Publishing announces the release of The Christian in the Cult: And How I Discovered Humanity in Christ, by Jim Valekis. He uses his life story to take readers deep into the culture of the Greek Orthodox Church,...
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Jim Valekis was born in Alabama with a “bouzouki” on his knee. His Greco-American parents raised their family as part of a thriving Greek Orthodox community in Birmingham. As a teenager captivated by the radio teachings of Herbert W. Armstrong, Valekis defied his roots and eventually followed a call to pastor in the Worldwide Church of God. When the former cult transitioned into Evangelicalism, Jim followed, continuing to pastor in Grace Communion International. Most recently, Valekis co-founded the vision for the Tipp Center, a faith-based business and resource hub, where he is the chaplain. It this rich history of faith that informs Jim’s expansive and immersive narrative in The Christian in the Cult.

Jim spent 21 years in the Worldwide Church of God, a Pasadena, California-based American church many called a cult. And spent 19 years and most of his pastoral career pastoring working to transform and replant one of its churches when this cult reformed doctrinally in 1994. He saw God turn a socially isolated commuter church into an outreaching community church, and was at least verbally acknowledged for having done so on a national website. He experienced personally what it took to transform biblically from a very non-orthodox narrow view of the Scripture to a “new covenant” biblically correct one. In the process, he learned what makes a “cult” a cult from personal experience. Jim has an amazing “insiders” story of what really happens when a universally recognized cult attempts to transform, and behind-the-scenes struggles that occur within such a culture. He also has had personal experience with how the evangelical world has “cultural” limitations that go back to a misunderstanding of what Luther intended in the Reformation. Jim is now calling for a reformation to the Reformation and a new way for being church - not just for Protestants, but Catholics and Orthodox Christians as well.

Therefore, Jim Valekis’ The Christian in the Cult - And How I Discovered Humanity in Christ uses the author’s life story to take the reader deep inside the culture of the Greek Orthodox Church, Herbert Armstrong’s Worldwide Church of God, and modern Evangelicalism. After journeying through three versions of “the only true church,” Valekis deftly invites his readers to join him in his ongoing discovery of humanity in Christ and what it can mean for the church and the world.

Here is how Andrew Manis, Emeritus Professor of History Middle at Georgia State University, Macon, Georgia, describes The Christian in the Cult: 

Millions of religious believers will clearly recognize the spiritual journey narrated by Jim Valekis in this powerful story. A son of the Greek Orthodox Church finds himself in Herbert W. Armstrong’s Worldwide Church of God, which eventually takes him into more traditional Christianity and out again. Where he ends up at the end of this fascinating pilgrimage will be a big surprise. But Valekis astutely narrates his journey and brings readers along with him to a spiritual destination that includes the whole world. In a religious and political that has become a culture war of all against all, Valekis’s final message of oneness and wholeness in Christ is a welcome antidote.

On his part, Chuck Proudfit, who is president of At Work On Purpose, sees Jim’s work as a testament to how faith in Jesus Christ can get one grounded and stablished spiritually despite the pains of a broken world. According to him, 

In your hands is a book that speaks powerfully to both the complexities of living and growing in the Church, and to the way God moves in our individual lives as believers. Through the story of author Jim Valekis, we see a riveting faith testimony passed from one generation of family to another -- across cultures, continents and denominations. We experience through Jim’s journey how our Christian faith can ground us and cover us spiritually, despite a fallen world, broken relationships, and vocational volatility. Jim reminds us that while our conditions and surroundings rise and fall, our steadfast relationship with Christ is All. I commend this book to you.

For Terry Wardle, Founder of Healing Care Ministries, it was the way Jim seamlessly interwove a complex personal story with historical and scriptural insights that resonated with him. According to him, 

Jim Valekis has written a journey narrative that bends the reader continually toward wholeness in Christ. His writing is deeply personal, clearly theological, and thoroughly biblical, mining the depth of each discipline to unearth the force of God’s transforming love. There is in these pages a complex personal story, interwoven with historical and scriptural insights that can guide the reader through the fog of theological compromise to the clarity that comes when Christ alone is the Lord of life. It has been said that life is a journey of formation, with the looming question, “Into what am I being formed?” Jim Valekis shines an uncompromising light on the person of Jesus Christ and bids us to surrender to the formative power of his Presence, alive in the human heart.

Jim holds a master’s degree in biblical studies from Earlham School of Religion. He enjoys hanging out with his wife Becky, biking, painting, and sharing (especially over Greek comfort food) how his new theological understanding connects back in profound ways with the ancient Trinitarian fabric of his Orthodox upbringing, a relational Christ-centered fabric expansive enough to include every human being.

Buy it here: Kharis Publishing

The truth about Bob Thiel and the Continuing Church of God is one of deception

The Truth about Bob Thiel and the Continuing Church of God is one of Deception, I've been on the ground in Africa 4 times spending months there. Bob has no clue what is really going on there. His numbers for one thing are complete fabrication. I was there. His so-called fake ministers are lying to him about numbers and a great many things. 

Bob calls me and the former Sasha Veljic accusers of the Brethren. We told the truth and we were basically ignored by Bob when we realized what he was doing. We lost all respect for him and concluded he wasn't a Man of God and the Continuing Church of God is definitely a Sham.  

I challenge anyone to go there and check it out to prove me wrong.  

To my old friends in CCOG, you really better prove this to yourselves, because if you don't, that's on you!!!!! Nothing else to say. 

I'm glad God revealed to me the truth before it was too late. God grant Dr Thiel to see and repent for his actions of treating persons he sent to Africa with contempt. He was the one who asked me and Sasha to find out what they were doing down there, and then we were accused of talebareing, only when we told him the truth. 

I mean who ignores official government documents in favor of some elderly man saying it isn't true, not to mention eyewitnesses and pictures and check receipts? 

Same with Malawi. Pictures and video testament from witnesses, including the adulterous Radson's own children and ex-wife. More lies that Bob knows about but hasn't admitted yet. 

Bob, I know all about a great many things, how are you going to spin Sosten L.  Really a repented publicly former Malawian Minister that you publicly admitted on video as having skimmed money and committed adultery and has admitted to Hope of Israel Worldwide Church of God leaders in emails that he has 10,000 members members, and you say that this man has repented? Then you tell one of our leaders it's Rumors? 

Bob Thiel do you even remember what you are saying about any of this, and you call us accusers of the brethren! 

All I can say Bob is when are you going to admit you were wrong? 

I honestly can say you will never admit any of this because you are not a humble Man. That's why you won't succeed in any of this sham. You know deep down you are wrong. God help you to be humble and repent.

Terry Nelson

Accusers of the Brethren

 

It is always fun to watch as little self-appointed false prophets and inept leaders in the Church of God movement get all pissy and indigent when they receive criticism from both inside and outside the church. 

The one that seems to suffer the most from this self-induced martyrdom complex is our Great Bwana Bob Mzungu Thiel. No church leader in the history of Christianity has ever suffered more persecution than our Great Bwana Bob. Never one to practice any humility and look inward at his corrupt self, he constantly looks outward and lays blame on that busybody Satan. 

Jesus gave the following commission:

19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age. (Matthew 28:19-20)

This involves working to reach people in multiple languages. Jesus’ statements in Matthew 24:14 and Matthew 28:19-20 are the major commissions of the faithful church. The “phil,” as in Philadelphian Christians, means fraternal love/affection, which in the biblical context includes supporting the proclamation of the gospel of the kingdom of God to all that we can.

Satan does not want people reached in other languages.

But as the Apostle Paul wrote of him, “Satan … we are not ignorant of his devices” (2 Corinthians 2:11).

Trying to cast doubt on God, His word, His ministry, His people, and His faithful church is something that Satan and his associates do. That is one of the reason that Satan is referred to in the Bible as “the accuser of the brethren” (Revelation 12:10).

Sadly, many throughout church history have succumbed to his ways.

The Great Bwana Bob Mzungu loves to let everyone know how many more translations he has every week. The problem is, that he can eventually translate his poorly researched book into every single language in the world does not mean he has now spread the gospel to every nation. All he has done is put a bunch of crap on paper that will end up in the trash, line a bird cage, used to light a fire under a pot of food, or used as toilet paper in some poor nation.