Saturday, May 3, 2025

Is Armstrongism Defined By Its Identity And Authority In A Lineage Of Ministerial Ordinations?


Classic “Armstrongism,” for want of a better term, teaches that the “True Church” is defined in its identity and authority by a lineage of ministerial ordinations (sometimes termed “apostolic succession”). Christ ordained the original apostles, who ordained people, who ordained people, yada-yada-yada, who ordained people, and at least one of those people personally ordained by the laying on of hands Herbert Armstrong. All of these people will have followed “true” Christianity, which means they were seventh-day Sabbatarian. They will not have descended from the supposed Simon Magus counterfeit religion, as Armstrong would elaborate, and at no point will there be a non-Sabbatarian in this lineage. 

This was the explanation given by Andrew Dugger, Jr and CO Dodd in their 1930s book “A History of the True Religion” (originally titled, “A History of the True Church”). Armstrong embraced this concept, and intensified it in the 1950s. See “Must God’s ministers be ordained by the hands of man?” (1960 version). The idea is that to be a “true” Christian minister, one must have been ordained by the literal action of a minister in that succession.
 
This is not my opinion. This is the teaching of your faith tradition. If you found a minister of a small congregation somewhere meeting on Saturdays and perhaps teaching a few doctrines traditionally associated with your faith tradition (Armstrongism), that would not necessarily mean that church is a “true Church of God” (or “branch of the Church,” the terminology preferred by some like the late Roderick Meredith). The minister would had to have been ordained in that discussed lineage. He couldn’t have been, say, ordained as a Presbyterian minister, looked at the Decalogue, and said, “Oh, wait! We should be observing the seventh day, not Sunday!” and then led his congregation to do so. Likewise, lay members of your faith tradition meeting without a minister could not say to you, “Hey, dude! You’re doing the job of a minister. We think God wants you to be a minister,” then all lay hands on you and declare you ordained, and have it be legitimate (in the eyes of your religion). You wouldn’t have ministerial authority, and your “congregation” would simply be a gathering of individual adherents to your faith.

It is this claim of ordinational lineage that gives the ministry of your faith tradition their legitimacy as a binding authority. Thus it is core to the claim of Herbert Armstrong being an “apostle,” “the Elijah,” etc. If that lineage does not in fact exist, then the claim of his authority is false, as is that of the ministry ordinationally descended from him.

Craig White of Australia has done decades of research in “True Church history,” and has sought to demonstrate the alleged linkage going here in North America. Whatever doctrinal commonalities the different Sabbatarian groups may have possessed (and doctrines can be transmitted or developed in the number of ways with no ordinational or organizational succession), he admits failure to find the requisite linkages.
 
From White’s writeup, A Note on the Seventh-Day Baptist Relationship to the Church of God:




Note Point 4: “4. if there is very little linkage between them and there is no evidence of ongoing sequence of laying hands upon subsequent leadership or elders from one era to the next, how does one know it is legitimate?…”

He acknowledges “no evidence” of the ordinational succession, and then asks the resultant question of how to evaluate the “legitima[cy]” of the Armstrongist “True Church” and ministry claim.


And here is the answer: Ezra 2 and Nehemiah 7 include a reference to a number of families claiming Levitical descent at the rebuilding of Jerusalem, but whose names are not listed in a registry of such descendants. This results in them being declared “unclean” and set aside from the functions and privileges of the priesthood (until objective verification could be had). Putting this in jurisprudential terms, this is a “precedent,” an event which sets out how situations like this ought to be handled. The “burden of proof” lies with the people claiming the succession exists. It does not lie with somebody challenging it.

The Armstrongist ministry has long and strongly drawn a direct parallel between itself and the Levitical priesthood. No remotely experienced Armstrongist can deny this with a straight face. That said, I will include a few of my favorite examples to illustrate the depth your religion takes this. The reference to “Levites” in the Deuteronomy 14:28-29 discussion of “third tithe” was used to justify the use of the assistance fund to pay for home renovations of ministers. I even recall a minister at a WCG Feast of Tabernacles saying that it could be used to directly augment ministerial salaries because of this (though he denied it had ever happened). Much of the authority and prestige of the Armstrongist ministry comes from drawing such parallels. A UCG minister after the 1995 event even said that they could call themselves “priests” because of this if they so chose. Another minister, then still in WCG post-1995 but now pastoring for UCG, told me of how at WCG headquarters in Pasadena, since ordained ministry were called “spiritual Levites,” they went full-circle terminology-wise and referred to non-ordained church workers as “PHYSICAL Levites.” Armstrong himself took it so far as to even roll it over into a theory that many of his ministers were descended literally – genetically – from the Levitical line

(Here is a comedic story touching on this, involved security at the Ambassador campus. The writer is obviously very discontented with Armstrongism. It seems that security volunteers on the Sabbath were given a technical consideration of being “spiritual Levites” in order to justify their work on the Sabbath. As all good satire is based in truth, it demonstrates just how truly serious the Armstrong faith tradition has taken the supposed Levitical parallel. )

The Levite-“True Church” minister analogies go on and on, and every minister of the Armstrong tradition knows that.

Ergo, following the parallel laid out by the ministry of your faith tradition, it is on them or their supporters to show the lineage exists. And if that cannot be done – and up to now it has not been done – they are to be considered set aside, and their doctrinal and spiritual authority nonbinding.

Despite this, Armstrongist apologists not only seek to avoid the general issue, but actually play dumb on the whole matter. Note the following exchange on LCG’s “Tomorrow’s World” YouTube channel. “TommygunNG” is yours truly.







“HUMAN lineage” (emphasis added). Is that genetic or actional (by ordination)? This purposeful distortion of the issue is shocking in its audacity. Obviously, this being more of an outreach channel, LCG is attempting to hide the reality of their faith from the uninitiated – that is, prospective members. They will think in general terms about a lineage or succession, believing there’s nothing to what I asked, while members can CHOOSE to take it as referring to genetic reproduction in order to deny to themselves the disingenuousness. But in reality, all their muddling does is show the legitimacy of my point, and their own complete lack of a genuine answer. 

To their credit of sorts, at least they were attempting something vaguely substantive. When I asked a comparable question to LCG via Facebook Messenger in 2021, this one specifically regarding who ordained Armstrong himself, their only response was, “Mr. Armstrong explained his ordination in some of his articles, autobiography, etc.” On the other hand, UCG did not reply at all, and COGaWA only replied after a second message noting that they did not reply, with them saying, “Hello! Thank you for your message! We will personally reply to your message as quickly as possible. In the meantime, feel free to check out our website at […]!” Of course, no such “personal reply” ever came.

Even attempting to deny the direct applicability of the scriptural example (and thus losing much of the power and prestige in the ministry gained by the Levitical typology), the precedent sets the parallel in establishing the burden of proof for succession claims. Think about it. If a woman from your past claimed her child was the result of a union between the two of you, you would not simply accept her claim. You would demand affirmative proof that the child was yours. How much more important than the genealogy of a single individual is being sure that the doctrinal authority you believe you are bound to is the correct one? 

Today we have DNA tests to determine physical paternity. But unfortunately, there is no spiritual DNA test that can track ministerial ordinations. People have to rely on verifiable documentation for that. And unfortunately for your religion, the Armstrong faith tradition cannot even determine what elder(s) ordained Armstrong himself, let alone who ordained him/them, etc., back to the original apostles.

Church of God (Seventh Day) history shows that the early ministers of that denomination held ordinations from mainstream non-Sabbatarian protestant churches. CG7’s founders were simply ministers who became involved in the Millerite/Adventist movement and adopted seventh-day Sabbatarianism. Few if any came in as Sabbatarians. The same can be said of most of the lay members. They were not “rebaptized” upon this change in their practice. The whole claim of such a lineage preceding the formation of what became CG7 did not exist until the 1920s. Dugger himself claimed in a 1926 article that his “first insight” on the idea came from an event in 1922:





History simply does not bear the claim out, and in fact points against the claim. Contrary to the impressions given by people like Herman Hoeh, there are no (known) ordinational linkages between them and any sort of Sabbatarian line back to antiquity. A clever and perhaps typical example of an attempt to give this unfounded perception is found in LCG’s booklet on the subject, discussed above in the YouTube screenshots. In a particularly odd case of attention to detail, it attempts to mislead readers into thinking Roswell Cottrell, a Seventh Day Baptist who entered the Millerite/Adventist movement in 1851 and became a leading figure in the movement, was a “long time Sabbatarian minister” at the time of his entrance. The truth is, while his family has a long Sabbatarian history (back to the 1630s) and his father John was a former in SDB minister who entered Adventism the same year, he himself was not apparently ordained until 1854 – that is, already within the Adventist movement, and two years after his father’s death. (Plus, at age 34, he wouldn’t have been a “long-time” anything!) The apparent intent is to imply to the initiated reader that the supposed “True Church” ordinational succession might have entered Adventism through him. Yet without a prior ordination, it obviously could not.

Speculative thought: I have to wonder if the writer actually intended critics to look into the fellow and find his family’s descent from European nonconformist groups often mentioned in “True Church” histories. The problem, though, is that actual attention to detail and a refusal to simply accept their unfounded presumptions defeats the effort. (Good try, though.😁)

And thus, based on the Ezra 2/Nehemiah 7 precedent and the most basic of common sense, your religion’s claim of exclusively being “true Christianity” and that the teachings of your ministry — INCLUDING THAT OF HERBERT ARMSTRONG — ought to be disregarded as authoritative in the sense traditionally held in Armstrongism. This does not mean that you or they are or were wrong about any other given point of biblical doctrine. It’s simply means that you are not bound before God to believe those ministers, and thus are free to study doctrinal questions and arrive at different conclusions. You are not bound to Herbert Armstrong, WCG, or their legacy. 

In a very real sense, I personally do not care what days you rest for worship. I do not care what you believe about the state of the dead. I do not care whether or not you doctrinally allow or prohibit makeup or interracial marriage. I can even sadly tolerate the denial of civic duty among many Armstrongists and Armstrongist fellowships (it is a free country, after all). What I do care about is that people are feeling held to a faith tradition – that is, Armstrongism – which bases its doctrinal authority over adherents on a fundamentally flawed and false premise [fraud, perhaps?]. And thus, I will confront its adherents with the historical reality and the scriptural precedent laid out here. 

I was an Armstrongist (WCG 1988-95; UCG 1995-2000; ICG 2000-01), as you are now. I do know what you believe. I understand your take on John 6:44. I understand how powerful it is believing that you have been given a special opening to knowledge. But I will put this to you: Jeremiah 17:9 - “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it.”

What I present to you is not my opinion or my specific doctrinal conclusions. It is historical fact and scriptural precedent. It is my hope that you will look into this matter and consider it objectively. A deceived man does not know he is deceived. No matter how deeply you intuitively believe something, it can still be wrong. If you look at this objectively, you will understand. 

Contact me on TruthSocial at @LTWalker03 to respond.


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NOTE: If an Armstrongist minister ever denies the ordinational succession claim and/or its centrality to the defining and operation of their supposed “True Church,” ask him if there is even a serious possibility that his church might possibly recognize as a “true” minister someone claiming to be a minister, but definitely without such succession. If he says that it is at all possible, then the hold on members that the Armstrongist ministry claims is gone. His church will be no better than any other Christian denomination. Anyone will be free to leave their current church and be declared a “minister,” and members will be free to follow him or any other professed minister – or none at all. The Armstrongist minister and his church will have no justification on those grounds for denouncing the new “fellowship.” On the other hand, if he says that here is no chance that the succession-free minister would be so recognized, then he is essentially yielding the point.

Lee Walker

Bob Thiel, The Demon Slayer

 

Well, folks, our Great Bwana to Africa and a few Caucasians, the highly esteemed and world reknowned theologian, historian, scientist, archeologist, and peddler of religion based conspiracy theories, the Great Bob Thiel has a new attribute that he can add to his long list of appropriated names; he can now add exorcist to his amazing portfolio. We are not worthy!

With the recent breaking news that he reported about his right-hand man in Africa baptizing a demon, unknowingly, according to Bwana Bob, and the propensity for some of his African followers being involved in witchcraft, it should come as no shock that demons are attracted to Bwana Bob.

Demons are an intriguing and frightening topic. Both the Old and New Testaments give countless examples of the children of God fighting against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, and against spiritual wickedness in high places. In the modern world, demons are dismissed as more of a fantasy than a reality. Yet, demons do exist.

Apparently, in the so-called "continuing" Church of "god"! They even baptize them, now!

Some in the Continuing Church of God are claiming victory over demons through Jesus Christ. However, there are still others that actually create coloring books of demons made especially for little children. Little children that may be highly susceptible to demonic influences. This is a shameful act at best.

Dr. Thiel tells of ways the Continuing Church of God is fulfilling the commissions that Jesus gave. He also quotes scriptures related to demons and even casting them out in this video.

RCG: Exploiting the Dead (Part 3)



Second Update May 3, 2025: This article on the exrcg.org website has been updated to reflect the additional property that listed as sold on May 3, 2025. The total sales are now $3.1 million by twenty-three people for thirteen houses.

Update May 2, 2025: RCG sold two more houses valued at $465,000 to members, bringing the total to twelve properties. One of the new buyers is also a widow.

Keep an eye out for 341 Akron Road to be sold soon. The two other external Campus properties are not viable options for new buyers. No one attending The Restored Church of God can afford the $500k Eyesore, and the Hartman Road property hosts the horse barn and pasture.

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Exploiting the Dead

For years, David C. Pack has coerced members of The Restored Church of God with the threat of God’s punishment. The Pastor General has consistently pressured brethren to “sell all that you have” so the church could “powerfully do the Work” of boldly proclaiming the Gospel of the soon-coming Kingdom of God worldwide.

But since David C. Pack’s spiritually corrupt 501(c)(3) nonprofit religious organization offloaded $2.8 million of corporate debt onto twenty foolish Headquarters congregation members and RCG started turning a profit, the Pastor General has announced that fulfilling the First Commission of Jesus Christ to preach the Gospel to every creature comes with caveats, exceptions, and dilemmas.

Part 559 – February 22, 2025
@ 1:21:53 We could go on and do a an unbelievably powerful work and have no debt…

@ 1:22:42 …we could get very, very loud. And rattle a lot a teacups. And the church would boom with growth in a way we couldn’t. But that’s not our goal. We gotta be careful.

David C. Pack now has the money to declare the Gospel loudly to the entire world but heeds the wisdom of exercising caution.

His carefulness is selective.

He has not been careful about counseling a married member at the Feast of Tabernacles to divorce her husband so she could get “her half” and give it to RCG. Planting fifty new 10’ evergreen trees along the horse barn property beside Interstate 76 did not require him to be careful. He was not so careful when he exploited widows to get his hands on the money their husbands secured for their wellbeing. 

He is also not so careful when it comes to exploiting dead members.

David C. Pack gladly cashes the checks from the deceased but do not expect him to show any gratitude about it. Instead, be prepared for your corpse to be dragged out of your grave and publicly taken behind the woodshed.

The thanklessness and disrespect that Pastor General David C. Pack openly expresses for the dead members who irritate him reveals who and what he is. Yet, brethren choose to stay, accept his abuse, and keep paying his salary.

One mercy for the members who gave Common after they died was being spared the knowledge of what David C. Pack said about them to the entire church.



After Death Is Not Good Enough

“The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 536),” given on September 18, 2024, was an 85-minute message centered on members surrendering their Common funds to The Restored Church of God. David C. Pack disguised himself as a shepherd wanting to help his sheep. Only the gullible, All-Believing Zealots bought that ruse.



Part 536 – September 18, 2024
@ 18:59 Selling all that you have is serious.

@ 29:32 The command, by the way, is to "sell all," not "leave all." Let me explain.

Even the posthumously generous escape not the ire of David C. Pack.

@ 29:53 Now, there there was a man. You could never guess. Long time ago, who gave a huge sum of money. Huge to the church in his will. Didn’t give a dime while he was alive. Not a dime.

Stop

Do not believe that for a second.

The only people attending The Restored Church of God who "didn't give a dime" are the ones in Dave's imagination. I knew an unemployed elderly widow on a fixed government income who still gave her mites joyfully to support the church, going so far as to knit items to sell as a fundraiser.

The idea that this man “didn't give a dime” to The Restored Church of God is a disingenuous exaggeration at best but a flat lie at its core. Dave even tells on himself in the very next moment when the last Truth Neuron in his brain fired, reminding him to add a fat asterisk to his overly dramatic statement.

@ 30:08 Except his tithes.

Clearly, the man gave more than a dime. This was just Dave exercising his self-righteous theatrical flare for the sake of grandstanding and shocking the brethren.

Just letting David C. Pack talk exposes who and what he is. The brethren of The Restored Church of God have heard him say stupid things like this for so long their ears have grown callouses.

Not a dime. Except for the barebones minimum 10% of his annual income. David C. Pack loves his oxymorons. “Something never happened. Except that one time.” The one time invalidates never.

Nobody in The Restored Church of God escapes the watchful eye of the Business and Accounting Office income spreadsheet monitors, especially with Carl Houk at the helm. Members with any kind of wealth, including regular employment income, are subject to the church receiving first tithe, excess second tithe, tithe of tithe, third tithe, Holy Day offerings, free-will offerings, fundraisers, and those pesky loose change drives. Do not forget about Common.

Members who do not give enough are flagged. Headquarters then directs the field mollusk to inquire.

Carl Houk is the Business and Accounting Office Manager, making him David C. Pack's dutiful watchdog. He also assumed the leading role in Church Administration, nudging Dr. Jaco Viljoen to the side. Since the church is now “booming” again, surely that will no longer be a part-time job. Maybe Jaco will get his old job back.

@ 30:09 And he was sitting on a vast array of wealth. He left it to us, and he died, and we got it when he died. Now here’s the here’s the irony. The church was benefited by what happened. He gets no credit whatsoever for doing that because he never stepped out in faith. Give it all? He didn’t give any of it. Decent man. I met him quite a long time ago.

So did I. Mario Furtado was born in 1959 and lived in Marana, Arizona. I first met him at the Feast of Tabernacles and would chat with him when he visited Headquarters over the years.

“He didn’t give any of it” is another David C. Pack drama queen exaggeration. Those will fly right past you if you are not quick to listen.

Before Mario died in February 2024, he changed the name on his living trust to Carl Houk as the sole beneficiary.

Mario Furtado bequeathed The Restored Church of God
his estate worth $700,000.


Just the value of Mario’s home was $440,000. It is still listed on Zillow.


This publicly available information can be found on Arizona's Pima County Auditor’s website behind a paywall. If anyone wants a copy of the complete record PDF, email exrcgwebsite@gmail.com.

Even after receiving about $700,000, which greatly assisted RCG in getting out of Campus debt, David C. Pack was still panty-twisted that he could not get his grubby hands on those funds sooner. Months after the check cleared, he was still compelled to speak ill of a dead “decent man” because he wanted to frighten the faithless who still had not surrendered their Common to him.

Edward Winkfield needs to insert a new chapter to the Doing the Work Through Your Last Will and Testament booklet on rcg.org. Just add that to the pile of outdated literature, Ed.

It was a blessing for him that twenty Headquarters members still had not yet “sold all.” Otherwise, he would never have gotten rid of that troublesome $2.8 million Campus debt problem.



Ingratitude for the Dead

David C. Pack was only warming up. There were plenty of breathing bodies in the Main Hall and across the world who should think twice about holding their Common back until they die.

Part 536 – September 18, 2024
@ 30:41 And you’d just be shocked at how much he had. But couldn’t part with any of it. So where where was the faith? He’s dead. He’s dead. Now, it’s better than not than than giving it to relatives or something.

Proverbs 13:22
A good man leaves an inheritance to his children's children…

@ 30:54 But the church could have benefited. Believe me, a lot had he done it sooner. So, it says, "Sell all," not "leave all." It duddn't mean leave it in your will. If you say, "Well, I'm gonna leave it to the church," you have said, "I am going to disobey God, or I'ma leave it to my kids because I can't I'm my my. I've made a decision…

@ 31:24 And don't leave the decision to your husband or wi–“Well, my wife duddn't want to do it.” Then split it. “My husband duddn't wanna do it.” Then demand your half. Being part of the last to go first is an honor of unbelievable proportion. A micro flock leading 100 billion people for seven years bring brings with it a high bar.

Pastor General David C. Pack would gladly have members of The Restored Church of God destroy their marriages so he could attain access to their money. An old shepherd who cares for the sheep, indeed.

Like widows, dead members are financial resources to David C. Pack and are worthy of being besmirched if they do not give him Common soon enough. That Campus debt was not going to resolve itself.



Ingratitude for the Living

Hearing Dave’s falsely angled tirade against a dead man reminded me of a very similar occurrence during the 2016 Ministerial Conference at Headquarters. He was incensed at a field minister sitting in the room and accused him of “costing the church $100,000” in front of the entire global ministry.

But that is not what really happened. In this instance, RCG lost not a dime. Not a dime.

That is how you use the phrase, Dave.

The minister who received the public tongue-lashing held his peace, and he let Dave vent despite the Pastor General conveniently forgetting about the other six figures that The Restored Church of God actually received. Dave was too busy raging about the $100,000 the member wisely held back.

A member living in a large residential building worth about $950,000 in Toronto, Canada, wanted to give Common by selling his property. However, his living arrangement with his wife and son was complicated. The house was segmented like an apartment building, and his son's girlfriend also lived there. The wife and son were not attending RCG. The Toronto member was only legally entitled to half the sales value minus other business equity obligations, further lowering its liquidity.

These nuances only angered David C. Pack. He wanted the Toronto member to sell the house from under his wife and son anyway, kick them out, and give RCG all the proceeds from the sale regardless of the personal consequences.

However, the local minister advised the member otherwise. Rather than donating all his portion of the funds from the house, he suggested giving the wife $100,000 so she could feel financially secure and help the man maintain peace in his marriage.

This was unacceptable to Dave. When the Toronto minister tried to reason with him, he received cold responses. “If your wife won’t sell, then you know what she wants for you.” When the subject of the member’s family came up, David C. Pack said, “Let the dead bury their dead.”

This is classic David C. Pack when money is involved.

After Dave was done spanking a grown man in front of all his peers via global live stream, he turned his disdain to the Toronto member who stepped out in faith and just paid six digits in Common.

Like the dead man who gave his money too late to be shown any appreciation, David C. Pack proceeded to verbally ridicule the Toronto member because the man wanted to spare his marriage in the real estate deal.

Giving to the church without losing your wife was seen as a faithless attitude.

Dave said with disgust, “He listened to bad advice and cost us $100,000. He listened because he didn’t want to sell all. He valued his wife more than the church and gave her the money because he’s weak. He’s probably gonna to lose his wife anyway.”

This statement is also classic David C. Pack because the man cannot get anything right when it comes to foretelling the future. The Toronto member is still married.

Being an unordained lay member, those moments during the Conference shocked me, but the real kicker came a few weeks later when that same Toronto member visited Headquarters. He often stayed with me, but I did not speak a word of this to him.

On the Sabbath in the Main Hall, I got a glimpse of the real David C. Pack. I will never forget this moment:

David C. Pack walked into the room, saw the Toronto member he slandered, and gave an enthusiastic “Hey!” with a full-faced smile. He then put his arm around the member’s shoulder like they were the best of friends and gave him a side hug.

The Toronto member grinned ear to ear with his eyes beaming. And he had no idea that the Pastor General hovering over him with warm smiles while cracking jokes had just torn him apart, calling him weak and faithless in front of the entire ministry because he did not give $100,000 more.

This is how I learned that David C. Pack was a two-faced fraud. He was a user. A manipulator. To your face, he is charming and warm. But after you leave the room, he will shiv your reputation in the gut.

Even Bradford Schleifer cannot deny this behavior of his human idol.

Current RCG members and curious Bible enthusiasts should read Who is David C. Pack?



Longtime Headquarters congregation member Chet Echelbarger passed away on April 11. I did not meet him until after his stroke, which kept him from being able to preach. Many people told me he was a dynamic speaker who was appreciated for his great sense of humor.


Even when someone dies, David C. Pack and The Restored Church of God find the money angle. Exploiting the dead is almost an automated no-brainer.


Instead of offering comfort to the family and honoring the man, just give The Restored Church of God your money. Wow.

David C. Pack respects not the widows nor preaching the Gospel loudly. He respects not the living nor the dead. But what he does respect is the money you pay him. And you better pay him before you die or the rest of the church will hear what he really thinks about you.

There is more with David C. Pack’s “The Greatest Untold Debt Story!” This is Part 3.


Marc Cebrian

Friday, May 2, 2025

News Flash May 2, 2025 Exploiting MORE Widows—The Restored Church of God Sells Two More Houses

 



News Flash May 2, 2025
Exploiting MORE Widows—The Restored Church of God Sells Two More Houses

The story of David C. Pack manipulating his way out of Headquarters Campus debt and amassing corporate wealth continues to evolve. The Pastor General of The Restored Church of God managed to net another $465,000 this week from his members and exploited another widow while doing it.

As of May 2, 2025, twenty RCG members have bought twelve external Campus properties.

RCG Sold Properties to RCG Members Worth $2,877,200.
RCG's home sales profits rise to $943,600.

David C. Pack gained $209,000 from two widows.




Part 1 of David C. Pack’s “Greatest Untold Debt Story!” article, Exploiting Widows, has been updated to reflect the latest information. Part 2, Exploiting the Gospel, has also been edited.

Three external residential Campus properties remain under The Restored Church of God’s ownership. But not for long. Keep an eye out for 341 Akron Road to be sold soon and the total to slide past $3 million.

The two other homes are not viable options for RCG buyers. No one attending The Restored Church of God can afford the $500k Eyesore, and the Hartman Road property hosts the horse barn, pasture, and easement.

As the story continues, it only gets worse. Part 3 will be posted tomorrow morning.


Marc Cebrian


 

RCG: Exploiting the Gospel (Part 2)

Second Update May 3, 2025: This article on the exrcg.org website has been updated to reflect the additional property that listed as sold on May 3, 2025. The total sales are now $3.1 million by twenty-three people for thirteen houses.

Update May 2, 2025: RCG sold two more houses valued at $465,000 to members, bringing the total to twelve properties. One of the new buyers is also a widow.

Keep an eye out for 341 Akron Road to be sold soon. The two other external Campus properties are not viable options for new buyers. No one attending The Restored Church of God can afford the $500k Eyesore, and the Hartman Road property hosts the horse barn and pasture.

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Exploiting the Gospel

After David C. Pack announced that his 501(c)(3) nonprofit religious organization was out of debt and turned a profit with extra money in the bank, he boasted big things could be done. With a catch.

Part 568 – April 5, 2025
@ 00:23 I wanted just to tell everybody …the debt is gone. Completely gone, and income is still pouring in.And not only that, we’re growing faster, literally, every week than the week before.

@ 06:22 You’ll be surprised. You’d be you’d be amazed at what we could do.

Thanks to the dedication and sacrifice of The Restored Church of God’s members, twenty people, including two widows, allowed themselves to be exploited by purchasing twelve Headquarters Campus-adjacent houses worth $2.8 million.


This public information can be found on the Medina County Auditor’s website. Under the Advanced tab, type in the Seller's Name field: "restored church" to see the property records.

David C. Pack coordinated his financial freedom while preaching the Kingdom of God was just around the corner. Two widows in Wadsworth now enjoy part of the financial debt David C. Pack once held.

Jesus said His burden is light. But David C. Pack’s is heavy.

Instead of focusing on preaching the Gospel to all the world as a witness before the end comes, David C. Pack has made a concerted effort to remove the Campus' debt while simultaneously preaching the impending arrival of the Kingdom of God just a few days away.

The Kingdom of God did not arrive on Abib 1 or on Passover. But David C. Pack laughed all the way to the bank thanks to twenty well-meaning but gullible members.



Preaching Under a Bushel

Now that The Restored Church of God Headquarters Campus is out of debt, what do they plan to do with that money? If David C. Pack is to be believed, practically nothing.

David C. Pack has made a church-wide spectacle of their financial journey by using it as leverage to extract more funds from nervous members. Brethren sacrifice so the church can “do the Work.” It must have been disappointing to learn their Pastor General has no intention of spending that money to loudly proclaim the Gospel of the Kingdom of God because it would fight against prophecy.

David C. Pack Announces Preaching the Gospel Loudly
Fights God's Purpose

Leading up to the corporate debt relief, Dave tugged on the heartstrings with promises of amazing things for the church. If only there was more time. If only they could afford it.

During “The Greatest Untold Story! (Part 501)” on March 30, 2024, David C. Pack said this to the church while plotting to sell three houses and preaching that the Kingdom would come on Abib 1.


Part 501 – March 30, 2024 
@ 1:46:37 But I do want the church to know this much. I do want you to know this 'cause I'm gonna give a compliment to the church. If we had another year, take heart in this. It's not the Kingdom. But we could carry out (and I promise you this) an unbelievably powerful work.

@ 1:46:57 You cannot imagine how God has intervened. I I It's so great, and so much has happened since I told everybody to, you know, consider their situation. The the response to that is, wow, on steroids by orders of magnitude. And it's so much, I found myself thinking, "Is this a signal we're gonna go on?" 'Cause we could we could drop an atomic bomb on the world, assuming we weren't shut down.

It was David C. Pack who intervened when he privately approached select Headquarters members and asked them to purchase three houses worth $679,700.

@ 1:47:26 We we're in we're in a we're in a position you can't imagine. God's people have responded like you wouldn't believe, and I couldn't have imagined.

Dave imagined it because he made it happen. The secret real estate deals were being worked out in the Business and Accounting Office behind closed doors while the church was hearing that Jesus Christ was to return in a few days.

The people who responded to Dave’s request were Pablo Ruiz ($200,000), Justin “Mr. Snappy Fingers” Frazier ($325,000), and Raymond and Kirsten Garb ($154,700).

@ 1:47:38 We had a lot of little debts, by the way. …They're all gone. They're all paid off. Every one of them. Except one central mortgage that would go a long time.

Removing three properties off the balance sheets while netting a sales profit of $237,700 gave RCG the leverage necessary to refinance and consolidate their bank loans.

@ 1:47:51 And so we have saved a tremendous amount of money to be able to do the work. Plus, we've been just bombed by God. So I just want all of you to know, if we went on for another year, and frankly a year after that, I don't think we're going one year. Two years from now would be almost unfathomable how big we'd be.

With this tremendous financial blessing by Dave’s god and the responsiveness of three people, RCG could finally set “The Greatest Untold Story!” Series down and really start preaching the Gospel. But…Dave lets the brethren know he has no intention of spending the money on actually preaching the Gospel.

@ 1:48:16 But then, would we be the little flock? Would we be disrupting an events that's supposed to happen like a thief? Probably. It's hard to argue that you wouldn't. No one wants more time, but you'll learn our plan soon enough before we would do it.

The Restored Church of God.
We could do great things. But we won't.™



Anti-Gospel

2 Corinthians 11:4
For if he that comes preaching another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if you receive another spirit, which you have not received, or another gospel, which you have not accepted, you might well bear with him.

The financial good news/bad news theme repeated itself.

The good news is how well the church is growing financially, and all the wonderful things they could afford to do were countered by the bad news that preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom of God with power would fight God’s purpose.

Part 501 would not be the last time David C. Pack made it known that preaching the Gospel was not the plan for The Restored Church of God going forward.


Part 507 – April 16, 2024
@ 1:16:54 Let's say we were given another year, and we entered it in a strong financial position. Again, God's people have been wonderfully responding.

The people responded by purchasing RCG’s houses because he asked them to.

@ 1:17:28 And we're in a position where we can make a lotta noise. We could rattle some teacups in China. But there's a giant problem with that. You're directly fighting prophecy, and you're subverting it.

STOP

David C. Pack told the brethren of The Restored Church of God that loudly proclaiming the Gospel fights God’s will.

@ 1:17:50 This becomes a metric to me now that I know the plan of God. Literally, doing eh-everything in our power to undermine, to subvert the word of God. The alternative is sit idle. I'd be down in that little, you know, building down there eh-every time I could. And every time I'd do it, would I be, would I be just flat out disobeying God?

David C. Pack just said that recording a World to Come could be a disobedient subversion of God’s word.

@ 1:19:42 But I'll bet you never thought of it quite like that because it would be on me to decide to to sit idle and disobey God or blast this Kingdom against prophecy and disobey God.

@ 1:20:14 And I I just wanna say again, we're in a strong position. I didn't think we'd ever be this strong. I prayed that we would be. …Couldn't be in a better position with the bank. We used to have ten different debts. We got one now. Within a few weeks, we'll have one.

Brethren of The Restored Church of God, if your funds are not used to preach the Gospel of the Kingdom of God, why are you paying your tithes, offerings, and Common to that church? Why even attend? So, what is the point of “doing the Work?” What is “the Work?”

Mark 16:15
And He said unto them, Go you into all the world, and preach the Gospel to every creature.

Galatians 1:8-9
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that you have received, let him be accursed.


Part 559 – February 22, 2025
@ 1:20:59 Wonderful bit of good news. …But I think it's possible that by more than a little, the church will be out of debt in five weeks. And through, you know, [chuckles] it’s an incredible it’s an incredible picture, actually. We’re not just gonna get outta debt, we’re going to explode out of debt. Way beyond anything I could have imagined. There’re couple little things we were able to do.

The “couple little things” involved selling $2.8 million in real estate to twenty Headquarters members and ushering them into financial debt. To David C. Pack, widows are resources to harvest from.

@ 1:21:53 We could go on and do a an unbelievably powerful work and have no debt and no monthly payment.

@ 1:22:15 We had enormous assets, and we were able to convert some of them in an extraordinary way.

Extracting $2.8 million from church members is not exactly extraordinary. Neither is converting your corporate debt into the private debt of others.

@ 1:22:22 And it it it puts two paths in front of us. Do we go on and do God’s work as we know it now? You got–we hafta be careful because …even though we could, we could get very, very loud. And rattle a lot a teacups. And the church would boom with growth in a way we couldn’t.

This all sounds like excellent news. But the bad news in 3…2…1...

@ 1:22:55 But that’s not our goal. We gotta be careful.

David C. Pack has picked up on Bradford Schleifer’s greasy verbal maneuvering. Dave weaves in and out, up and around the financial relief while blending it with cues he will not spend the money on preaching the Gospel.

@ 1:23:47 And and you could get excited about that. And it has been a prayer that the church would have no debt. …We'll have none, and we'll have a lot in the bank…

What should the brethren be excited about? What is the point if the church is debt-free but will NOT preach the Gospel? Why has David C. Pack been praying for years about removing the corporate debt while preaching nonstop since 2018 that Jesus Christ was about to return?


Part 536 – September 18, 2024
@ 32:17 And and and brethren, it should be pretty clear, there’s no way I am doing this so the church can benefit from it unless I am an unbeliever and do not believe the Kingdom is coming this fall. So, there’s no way I could be doing this. It's impossible, unless I am a grand liar, that I could be saying, "I don't want your money." 

Thou hast said.


Debt Gloating

David C. Pack was giddy with excitement, anticipating the real estate deals he covertly orchestrated would soon be executive. Sugar plums of gold danced in his head, knowing the bank would no longer own the grass he coveted.


Part 565 – March 22, 2025
@ 1:14:24 Let me thank the church. By April 12th, it will be wiped out. There’ll be no more. Not only that, we’ll have more money in the bank than we have ever had and no debt. And the church is growing faster than it has in ten years. Those are my prayers for a long time. We’ll have no debt. 

The church is growing faster and just in time to not preach the Gospel because Jesus Christ is not about to return. The Kingdom did not come on Abib 1 or Passover, and it will certainly not come during this Pentecost.


Part 567 – March 29, 2025
@ 1:10:36 The church will pay off its debt on either Tuesday or Wednesday of this week, either April 1st or April 2nd. …We're in a we're in a position so unbelievable I I almost I I don't think I could find the words. It's unimaginable. We don't need any Holy Day money to do it. We've got huge additional funds coming in. We're growing even faster than a week ago.

What is the point of an unbelievable position if they do nothing with it?


Part 568 – April 5, 2025
@ 00:23 I wanted just to tell everybody, and I trying to remember if it was April 1st or 2nd, but the debt is gone. Completely gone, and income is still pouring in. And not only that, we’re growing faster, literally, every week than the week before. …but I just do want to say that how grateful I am to God. I've had a long-standing prayer that the church would close because we all believe we’re in the right year. That the the church age would close with us booming in every way. Solid, stable. Again, in not just no debt but a lot left over. I couldn’t have dreamed.

@ 01:19 And you can this Campus is worth, obviously, many millions of dollars. The amount that we still owed on it was not many millions, but it was millions. And we had some other things we were we were getting rid of, as well. And to be able to do that and to give large raises and schedule more if we had to go on… but we’ve doubled the media media budget, which is causing more growth.

Ten houses were "gotten rid of" from RCG's spreadsheets but sold to naive members so the properties stay in the family to keep the heathens away from the borders of Dave’s lawn. On Akron Road, a little leaven leavens the whole neighborhood.

Kudos to yellow-bellied Ryan Denee for placing advertisements in my MSN feed to attract new members who can foolishly give unbiblical Common so that The Restored Church of God will NOT preach the Gospel of the Kingdom of God.

@ 02:00 Certainly, God answered these prayers that I I’ve had and had a lot of work from other’s help to get to this point where we we have no debts and we’re just in a in a wonderful place but.

It was not a miracle that The Restored Church of God escaped Campus debt. It was David C. Pack's maneuvering and exploitation of members, including two widows. He approached them, sat them down, and pitched how it would benefit the church if they bought their properties and assumed the debt.

If Dave wanted to be honest, Paul Ruiz, Justin Frazier, Raymond Garb, Garrick Oxley, Jim Habboush, Sam Baxter, Charlie Sarracco, Frank Lydick, Sam Maiden, Chantel and Calah Houk, and two elderly widows answered his prayers because he asked them to.

 


If More Debt-Free Time

David C. Pack has been boasting about what he would do if he had more time so frequently, a YouTube Playlist highlights them. The earliest clip is from February 2023. To date, Dave has done nothing he verbally fantasized about.


Part 568 – April 5, 2025
@ 05:45 We’ve tried and tried and tried to grow. It’s one of the reasons I wonder, “How can we have another year?” We’re poised to really take off. In fact, we are. Every week better than the last week.

@ 06:05 But it’s almost a prophecy that we have this right because I’m just telling you. One more year, within a year, with the open door that has been set in front of us long ago, within another year, we could be making tremendous noise in the world. You’ll be surprised. You’d be you’d be amazed at what we could do.

Members of The Restored Church of God may now sit in their chairs completely at peace because their struggles, hard work, and financial sacrifices for the Work’s sake have paid off.

Brethren have endured bruised family relationships, tense workplace circumstances, broken marriages, eating out of cans, ignoring grandchildren on their birthdays, and putting off the dentist so David C. Pack can lay out a clear direction for the church in the year ahead.

@ 06:26 But there not a one of us in this room that wants to do that. And we could almost be directly fighting a prophecy where the work ends in a day of small things.

What is really important to brethren should be what is important to their Pastor General.

@ 06:39 Beautiful, big Campus. Wonderful staff. People all over the world. Huge amount a literature of just sterling quality. Every magie-then-zine that comes out just pops your eyes out. Beautiful Feast sites. Camps. Conferences. Socials. But we’re small. And we were never gonna get big.

Even post-debt, do not hold your breath that anything will change in 2025. Especially now that Dave sitting on his hands has become a doctrine of The Restored Church of God.

Perhaps curious brethren will ask their field mollusk or Headquarters hireling why the Pastor General keeps saying what they could do but will not do it. Responses to those fair questions will be just as satisfying and warm as when people point out David C. Pack contradicts the Bible and fits the precise definition of a false prophet.

2 Peter 2:3
And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you.

Ezekiel 34:3
You eat the fat, and you clothe you with the wool, you kill them that are fed: but you feed not the flock.

Brethren of The Restored Church of God, heed these words because David C. Pack does not.

1 Corinthians 9:16
For though I preach the Gospel, I have nothing to glory of: for necessity is laid upon me; yea, woe is unto me, if I preach not the Gospel!

David C. Pack’s “The Greatest Untold Debt Story!” is not over. This is Part 2.


Marc Cebrian