Wednesday, April 18, 2018

Church of God, The Eternal's Jon Brisby Sinks To A New Vile Low

One of the vilest teachings of the church that was brutally enforced over the decades was the "divorce and remarriage" doctrine/teaching.  Countless stories have been told over the decades of loving couples and families ripped to pieces by the Church of God's vile stance.  Most had probably thought those days were long gone, but it is not.

This letter was posted on Exit and Support and describes the vile and unChristian teachings of Jon Brisby:

I wanted to write and thank you for helping people who have left or will leave the "Armstrong cult groups." I was born into the WWCG. It helped to destroy my whole family--my parents, my siblings, and up until this year, even me. We all made some mistakes and bad choices on our own but Herbert Armstrong and his ministers, splinters, and even some members, helped destroy my family emotionally, just with the judgmental attitudes, being made to feel we were in "hot water" with God, telling us that outsiders were of the world, etc. My most recent minister Jon W. Brisby (Church of God, the Eternal) has even told me that my lack of financial comfort is the result of my "not living in a pleasing enough way for God." I was also told that my family is the "church" now and no longer my kids, since they are not members. Luckily, my kids grew up against the Armstrong teachings and have their own beliefs. As for me, I am finally what I consider to be "out of the dark" of these Armstrong worshippers. I emailed my minister two weeks ago and explained my decision to leave. He has yet to respond. 
Church of God, The Eternal (COGE) is a small group. The lead minister is Jon W. Brisby (age 55). He has some wild ideas. A married couple came to the group from LCG a few years ago. They had been married for about 18 years. Brisby soon found out that the man had been married briefly to someone else when he was a really young man. They divorced and his ex married someone else. Anyway, this married couple of 18 plus years were instructed to split up and live separately but not get divorced. Jon Brisby told him that if his ex wife happens to die then and only then can he and his current wife live as a couple again. The couple have remodeled their home and made it into a duplex. They each live in one of the side by side units. They are allowed to go back and forth to each other's apartment for meal times but not allowed to sleep, shower or linger at each other's place. At the Feast of Tabernacles and Pentecost they were not permitted to sit together for services. This couple is in their 50's also.
There is another man, a single man around age 60. This man was also married but years ago his wife left him and married a Seventh Day Adventist. Brisby told him he must never remarry. This man said God would not allow him to marry unless his ex died. Brisby stays in total control of the dating and marriage relationships in the group. He comes off as very intensely and genuinely kind, but if he feels you cross him, then he gets an attitude and can be very arrogant. 
--Kandice Cunning (Child survivor of WCG; Former member of COGE)
Church of God, the Eternal has on its page the following which is used as a weapon to stop members from writing such things as was done above.  They seek to create the myth that all of the things they teach are directly from Christ, passed down through the apostles to Bisby and others today.  To deny what they teach is blasphemy and denial of the truth which separates the "rebellious" from God.

What God gave to Moses, He gave to Christ. What Christ taught to the apostles, He commissioned them to proclaim in their designated areas. What Christ and the apostles taught was the same as was revealed to Paul. And what all those servants taught is exactly what was given to an end-time servant (Matthew 28:19–20). For those who will hear, our purpose is to honor and proclaim that same way of life—the faith once delivered. In that way is found no part of the way given to Gentiles—people of the world (Deuteronomy 12:1–3; 4:1–40, Acts 14:16). We want the ways of God. We are not interested in any of the traditions or customs of this world. God’s servant of these last days at no time made the pagan customs of this world a part of the doctrine. The spirit which introduces change, and/or a relaxation of the doctrine is as much at work today as it was in the past. The called of God must be on guard incessantly. That spirit is a deceiver. He will do anything to destroy.
One concluding observation seems to be necessary. Those who believed and loved the Truth of God have remained strong, loyal, and faithful. On the other hand, it seems that everyone who was “argued” into acceptance of the “faith once delivered” has failed ultimately. It, indeed, seems like God is separating those who believe and love the Truth from those who must surely have accepted only on the basis of their own personal intellectual prowess.
Satan and his demons hate the ways of God. They will do anything to disrupt, challenge, and destroy. Such behavior is a manifestation of who and what the true people of God are all about. They persecuted Christ. In like manner they will do the same thing to those in whom Christ lives. The faithful of God will count it a privilege to suffer for the cause of righteousness. They will be persecuted and lied about with abandon, but these chosen children of God will know who they are. They love the Truth and will for no cause allow themselves to turn from it. They are the ones who will endure to the end.
Who are we? We are estranged members—a remnant (Romans 9:27–33; 11:1–5, Isaiah 1:8–9, Revelation 12:13–17)—from the apostate body (2 Thessalonians 2:1–3) who sincerely love God’s revealed Truth from the heart (2 Thessalonians 2:10), willing to remain faithful to the end (Matthew 24:13). That Truth which was taught by Christ (John 14:6; 12:48–50), that Truth which Christ commissioned the Twelve Apostles to teach (Matthew 28:20). Which was the same message taught by the Apostle Paul (Galatians 1:6–16, 1 Thessalonians 2:12–14). Which was the same message taught by an end-time servant (Matthew 28:19–20). Which had significant beginning with Moses (Hebrews 4:1–3). The Truth which is now obeyed from a spiritual premise (2 Corinthians 3:1–11).
These are the people that God’s true ministry desires to serve. It is our purpose to give you our energy and our love.  Letter from Raymond Cole


Byker Bob said...

I’m not terribly surprised by this. Many people remember the early to mid ‘70s as a time when liberal ministers and members revolted against HWA, and left the church. And, this was in spite of the doctrinal changes that HWA had made, partially addressing some of the widely held concerns of the ministry. But, there was also a smaller and lesser-known conservative backlash. Raymond Cole would not allow visiting ministers to take the guest spot and preach on the sabbath in his churches unless they had brought along and would wear a white dress shirt. This was told to me by an elder who worked for Mr. Cole. When the D&R doctrine was modified, Mr. Cole believed that HWA had made a grave error, and had in essence left his own church. He stuck to the original teaching, and started COGE. Jon Brisby is adamantly sticking to the things that Raymond made a federal out of. For those who wondered, that’s where this happy horsecrap is coming from.


Anonymous said...

The bibles 'prove all things' does in fact mean "arguing" with at least ourselves in our own minds. It does mean "using our own personal intellectual prowess." These complaints of arguing and intellectual prowess is the minister claiming the right to lord it over members faith.
There's no 'love of the truth' in this grievious sin.

Reading the Bible, God punishes people for their physical behavior. King Saul being a good example. God condemned and replaced him with David by listing specific physical sins. God does not punish people for their beliefs ie, He is not a thought policeman. Unlike many ministers, God Himself respects the separation of church and state.

Opinionated said...

Evil bastards.

Alan Dexter said...

If you are going to be a member of some paticular church it would be best NOT to let the ministry know your private life. Keep your personal life secret & separate from church members.

Connie Schmidt said...

My advice to all six people who belong to this tiny dysfunctional group.... GET OUT!

What About The Truth said...

It is a disconcerting to hear of another example of people abiding by the directives of men with no understanding and foolishly not even proving them or there so called understanding.

The true understanding of D & R is very simply laid out by Christ and Paul. The main cause of all the problems was the putting away of a spouse who pleased to dwell. This was the causation of adultery when one or both then go on to marry another after the putting away action.

In a age when most of these churches believe they are in the peak of their enlightenment of all knowledge we have an example like the one in this letter where an 18 year marriage is broken up by a man under the false authority of Jesus Christ. The RCG causes division in marriages by their 50% money grab, which causes the breakup of marriages as well and is caused by a man who puts himself in place of Christ. And these wreckage of marriages are all justified by men who operate with corrupt theology.

God said; "My people are destroyed (Cutoff, ruined) for lack of knowledge Hosea 4:6. This happens when the membership (My people) trust in men with no basic understanding of scripture let alone the deep things (Mind) of God. This will continue to happen when people believe and obey a false government that is in no way shape or form, for their spiritual edification.

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately, I have had my dealings with the man who heads up this organization. The lady who wrote the piece for this post is correct in her assessment of his character. At first, he is kind, cordial, etc..., but then begins to exude arrogance. If you get on his bad side, he is a totally different animal. Many times he has stated that he will always win when it comes to anything that arises in his church. I have seen this happen first-hand many times when he is in complete error. Some who may read this that attend there may think they have never seen this behavior, but they have. They have just not scratched far enough below the surface to see and choose to look the other way. Fear is a powerful motivator sometimes to keep people doing nothing. Afterall, have not many been indoctrinated to believe that the minister is always right, even though the Bible tells us contrary?

Since the time this man took the reigns in 2001 from Raymond Cole, there has been much error. My suggestion to any brethren currently attending there that is reading this post, if you have any doubts about anything that has come up during your time there; go back and revisit old material (letters, audio, etc...), and compare it the word of God. You were called and baptized. You have a measure of the Holy Spirit, and my Bible tells me that you have the ability to distinguish right from wrong.

Just because a group keeps a specific Holy Day different from others, is not a requirement to stay in an organization if there is error. Nowhere in your Bible will you find that requirement. You are however, tasked with knowing what is wrong, and what is right.

Kandice Cunning said...

From now on I am on my own as far as church. I read, pray on my own, not saying I will never set foot in a church again. But no more controlling groups or cults. I probably wouldn't even join any church officially. My church is the bible now. I left COGE as of March 31, this year, 2018.

Anonymous said...

Good for you Candice. I left in 2009 after spending most of my life in COGE. I have not changed what I choose to keep religiously, but like you; I will not be apart of a group that is under complete control being driven, instead of led. That is not the spirit of Christ at all.

Jason Guthrie said...

I attended this church from the age of 13. They were a much larger group then. Raymond Cole and Bryce Clark both ministered. It was a much different atmosphere then. This goes back to late 80’s, early 90’s. Then there was a split in the late 90’s. From that point on EVERYTHING was about which side you were on. My marriage was sabotaged by Raymond Cole and his goon squad ( deacons) simply because my wife and her family backed Raymond and my parents backed Bryce. Notice that I did not say I backed anyone. I watched however as people that had been friends for years turned on me like a pit of vipers simply because they chose to step into something God had joined together. I have never reconciled with my wife and have since remarried. I think the main area these people miss is that bulk of Christ’s teachings and examples were how to treat others.
I still believe a lot of the doctrine but not the politics!

Jason Guthrie

Jason Guthrie said...

I attended this church from the age of 13. They were a much larger group then. Raymond Cole and Bryce Clark both ministered. It was a much different atmosphere then. This goes back to late 80’s, early 90’s. Then there was a split in the late 90’s. From that point on EVERYTHING was about which side you were on. My marriage was sabotaged by Raymond Cole and his goon squad ( deacons) simply because my wife and her family backed Raymond and my parents backed Bryce. Notice that I did not say I backed anyone. I watched however as people that had been friends for years turned on me like a pit of vipers simply because they chose to step into something God had joined together. I have never reconciled with my wife and have since remarried. I think the main area these people miss is that bulk of Christ’s teachings and examples were how to treat others.
I still believe a lot of the doctrine but not the politics!

Jason Guthrie

Anonymous said...

Raymond and the women in the office. Anyone knows if this was a true at the time ? Mr Clark was brave standing up to bad behaviour? What really occurred and happened with Raymond and Clark ? Answer as Anonymous . I’m new to The group and need more information as a guide. Why Clark left cole? Appreciate your help. Love 💕 to all in both groups. Brisby seems to be off track in some messages about Christ in flesh. Seems little odd that teaching . Cole said in a message he Christ comes back every now and then think about it. I’m confused or deceived ? Not happy Brisby is selling a book about Armstrong. Freely u have recived freely give. Why try and recover funds for his own project and name. Cole refused to write books! His not following Cole and claims to follow. Maybe there will be another separation soon- as Cole reinforced in messages over many years. Man go off course but God don’t change men change. No last day warning messages in both groups in regards to United States 🇺🇸 in prophecy. Hwa 📻 church of God stepped out in faith had a message and it’s come to pass . That book was 💯 % correct . Brisby told two leading ministers there not allowed to speak about prophecy. I do believe nations are mentioned and we can know and do know there modern identity. May the sheep 🐑 not fear man 👨. God has already shown us and these truly belong unto us and our children. Prove all things- follow God not man !

Anonymous said...

Jason Guthrie as above can you help?

Anonymous said...

I, too, was in CGE in the 90s and BCG after that. It does not matter whether RCC had a problem with a woman in the office, and it doesn't matter why BGC left. What matters is that RCC began his campaign about "who and where is Christ since His physical days in the flesh." He began to make himself the pope, the ultimate authority, usurping the authority of Gods Holy Spirit in the lives of the members of the Church of God. It was a test for the members; some supported him no matter what he said or did and others left.

We need to fight that child in us that always longs for another man to tell us right and wrong. We go from one broken organization to the next giving the minister veneration that belongs to God alone, or, we criticize and pick at him and don't give him the love and respect due a brother in Christ. Since we have Gods Spirit, we must work out our salvation with fear and trembling as well as with love for our brethren. We need to stop looking for someone to tell us what to do, and stop being so angry at the ones who failed us when we put them on a pedestal. We shouldn't have put them in the place of God in the first place. I am sure God will deal with them for their abuse, but we need to set aside childish things and take personal responsibility, have faith, trust God, and go to Him for direction.

That said, it is really hard to be alone and not have fellowship on the sabbath.

Anonymous said...

mixed up turn out. I’m holding to the original truth given to HWA including The knowledge of phrophesy given to Armstrong. To be told that our country here in the United States could be the beast of revelation is a lie. It’s lack of knowledge by the leadership claiming to hold fast and at the same time destroying the original revealed truths Mr Amstrong taught us all. To suggest hwa was wrong is the subject of end time events go back and read the old good news magazine and his books before 1975. His sermons are still valid today we the church are dead spiritually because we refuse to hold fast.

Anonymous said...

Them Monday Pentecostal groups rejected Mr Armstrong on end time events. The USA is not part of a beast but all nations have drunken from her cup. It’s Rome ! It’s members should question and study more why them rejected Armstrong was to look different from other groups. The keys of phrophecy where revealed to mr Armstrong in a book called revelation unrevealed at last. the seals trumpets 🎺 were Devine Revelation . If we reject this you rejected Christ. I feel God will allow a new group to have a Monday Pentecost and the original teaching on phrophesy . The radio church of God was not started in error. We have followed and departed over time from revelation. Let’s hold firm the original beginning true. Don’t let men take crowns of correct understanding from our heads. Let no man take your crown 👑.

Anonymous said...

The Book of Revelation Unveiled at Last go re read this book and allow Jesus Christ to show you. Blow the dust off your bible follow God not a man!

The Book of Revelation Unveiled at Last by Herbert W Armstrong. Church of God the Eternal members should know better and repent of not holding fast the correct teachings.

Yes it's a Monday Pentecost but we have lost much truths over the years. Time to get back to the fact Christ put truth into the church under HWA!

Anonymous said...

Cole said Herbert W Armstrong was God's true servant. The REVEALING of CHRIST Christ is the REVEALER -NOTE : John NOT the Revelator

We hear the expression so commonly — and erroneously — "John the Revelator." But JOHN is not the Revelator. This is not the Revelation of John, it is the Revelation of JESUS CHRIST. It is CHRIST, not John, who does the explaining, the revealing. That is another vital KEY to understanding. So it originated with Almighty God the FATHER. God gave it to CHRIST. Christ sent and signified it by His angel unto His servant John — so John is merely a SERVANT, who BARE RECORD — that is, who RECORDED the Revelation in WRITING. He was merely the private secretary — the stenographer, so to speak — not the Revelator.
And now notice, John bare record — or recorded in writing — THREE THINGS: 1st, the Word of God; 2nd, the Testimony of Jesus Christ; and 3rd, all the things that he, John, saw!
And so the Book of Revelation, like all Scripture, is the plain Word of GOD. But part of it is the direct saying, or quotation, of Jesus Christ — the very words of Christ Himself. If you have a "red-letter" Bible or New Testament, printing all the words in red which Christ spoke directly Himself, you'll find a good many passages in the Book of Revelation are printed in RED. And then, John recorded the things that he SAW, in VISION, or, as it is worded, in SPIRIT. Most of the actual PROPHECY of the Book is contained in the things that John SAW, in VISION — and most of these things are SYMBOLS.
And then, the third verse states: "Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand."
A BLESSING is pronounced on you for READING these words — provided you are submissive and obedient to KEEP those things which are written therein!
The beautiful salutation begins with verse 4, continuing through the remainder of the first chapter. The dominant keynote of the Book — its subject, its theme — is struck in the 10th, or MIDDLE verse of this chapter.

It is IMPORTANT to get our bearings — to get off to a right START — to get the FUNDAMENTALS straight.

The Book of Revelation Unveiled at Last members of the church of God The Eternal go re read ! Bethel Church of God memeber go re read.

I call on you all to remember the truth given Once given unto the saints. Hold fast . Do the 1st Works cry aloud and lift up your voices like a trumpet.

Dan said...

Wow this is a real good read . I think we have all been given in CGE mistaken impression that Cole was the One with new truth and Mr HWA was in error .

Anonymous said...

The Nickels article that is linked in the post, is accurate in regards to many thousands who attended an 8 day event for the DUB in 1962. The actual Good News article can be found here...

This is why God allowed the church to fall apart. We never held fast to D&R Monday Pentecost and the teachings of Herbert W Armstrong . Never forget the church is build upon a foundation that never changes . Brisby and others know this but will not get back to the Original because the members don't wish to take time off Work.

Anonymous said...

Italy signs massive deal with China despite cautions from France and Germany. Rome ancient Silk Road from China into Europe is what Mr Armstrong said would happen. He said Rome Would rise again . My friends it's time ask questions.

Anonymous said...

Robert J. Litz Told me personally that his been told to keep his mouth shut -with regards to speaking on last day events as related in the bible. Many unhappy members. And many support him in the efforts of Armstrong teachings here in states. The bible teaches to one the gift of phrophesy to another healing ect. God is the one that uses a man for different roles at different times in church history.

Chance said...

Turkey 🇹🇷 ? In phrophesy message at the feast ? Really sorry to hear he was told to shut up

Anonymous said...

Insider information please post here-

Anonymous said...

Prophetic Speculation under the Microscope By Mr Brisby. Well a book called -The United States and Britain in Prophecy is this also Prophetic Speculation?

Read this Book

Hold Fast all things as we have been taught. This book has a special message for the end time church please re read and see the new light . HWA was ahead of his time- and did know that this key would be lost and was lost. God's own people have lost it again today. Because we refuse to listen to his end time servant .

Anonymous said...

Hi from South Africa. I agree with your comment. Can we leave and join your group? What is your name? I feel alone but knowing there are others inside church of God the Eternal that are unhappy because of wrong interpretation by brisby. He has lost the testimony of Jesus Christ which is called the spirit of prophecy. And yet claiming that Christ is come in flesh and comes back every now and then. Think about it brethren. Raymond gave Clark the subject of prophecy and never spoke against Herbert Armstrong but always insisted God gave him the truth. Would God allow truth and error to exist in the radio church of God when Mr Armstrong was proclaiming a message about our modern day identity? Did Christ lie?

Anonymous said...

Brisby should know better than say our United States is the beast of 10 nations. He seems to have his own views while at the same time speculating himself.

Anonymous said...

That is the only thing I ever heard Bisby say that is right. It is the best of all the natjns!

Anonymous said...

Best thing ? you dude ok joe ?

Anonymous said...

Guide us Lord help us to know all things

Anonymous said...

Kenya member hear i seek new group hold to radio church teachings were is it?

Anonymous said...

The only Monday Pentecost keeping groups -
Church Of God Santa Rosa
Bethel Church Of God
Renewed Church Of God
Church Of God,The Eternal

freely ye have received, freely give.

Anonymous said...

1 Corinthians 1:11
“For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.” Is Christ divided?

Anonymous said...

Christ is not divided but His own People are. The only hope as a group or body you need the faith Once Delivered . This was once given Once under Herbert W. Armstrong. God's own Sheep would be stunned—dumbfounded if they knew and would re study The United States and Britain in Prophecy. The Radio Church of God had a mission & Message with the aim to make known the truth hidden from other ages. The truth was lost to ancient Israel the Key was found in this book. My Question to you all as the sheep - ( If you had lost a child of yours, you’d be desperately seeking to find that child Right?) Why would you not seek to find the Lost Key that spiritual Israel has Lost or being lost. If you claim to hold fast the faith Once Delivered and will not believe' The Original teachings on the subject of Prophecy you reject The Bible not a Man But a God. Of Course every man will and does make mistakes in his own life time. Such as the Time Frame expected to come to pass or happen to take place. Remember These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, God allowed his own people to see and understand the truths but the timing is in God's time. Did Not the Apostles Thought that Jesus was Coming in Their Day? What about the disciples also? All along, God has designed things so that God's book would always be relevant to God's people because the Bible is pointing to an event that is yet to happen. It is to happen in the last days of this Earth's history.Bible were written especially for the last generation of this world. Daniel was promised that knowledge about the book would be increased and people would run to and fro, in the book to understand its meaning in the last days-The book is sweet as honey because their understanding is suddenly increased. However when they start living through the experience of the last days, as described in the little book, it will be a very bitter experience! It's wishful thinking Mr HWA never has the truth in the Radio Church of God . Go re read this book and the link below- copy paste.

With deep love your devoted supporter

Anonymous said...

John Bisby has demon problems. He is a vile man who is leading people astray. His demonic filth needs to be thrown in the trash where it belongs

Jack said...

why is wrong? What is Jon Done ?

chang wong said...

Raymond Cole had 21 new truths? Really ? Why don't you all keep the original revealed truths . Did God lie to you all? Will you follow Christ or a man? Jon has the The Fear of Prophecy. This group is Not following the Radio Church of God teachings . What a real shame i'm in China and know it's a Monday Pentecost . I will keep searching for the correct Church of God

Anonymous said...

THE COMING CHURCH SPLIT IS PROPHESIED AND WILL SURELY HAPPEN . No wonder your all told you can't understand last day prophecy.

Anonymous said...

good to see no Armstrongism with Jon. He hates Armstrongism deep down in his heart. His trying to free many with old truth. Cole has new truth. Get with the new out with the old!

sam said...

shut up or get out!!!

Courtney said...

I will break the pride of your power,God already begun to break the pride of American power . Will you believe this long range end time message. It was PROPHESIED to come to pass.

Anonymous said...


Anonymous said...

A Must Read for Church Of God The Eternal
Why does God command we give Him offerings?
Are there different types of offerings we should be giving?
How should New Testament Christians observe offerings?
How often should we give Holy Day offerings?

Anonymous said...

Abraham, Israel and Prophecy
• God’s promises to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob of physical blessings are being fulfilled currently in the twelve
tribes of Israel.
• God’s promise to Abraham of “Grace” for all mankind is fulfilled through Abraham’s descendent, Jesus Christ.
• Salvation is offered only to the faithful descendents of Abraham. However, any individual regardless of race or
sex becomes a “spiritual descendent” of Abraham through conversion.
• The key to understanding the prophecies of the Bible is to know who the descendents of the twelve tribes of
Israel are in this current age.
• The Jews represent only one tribe of Israel and the promises to Abraham of wealth and power are not fulfilled
in them alone.
• The “lost ten tribes” are not lost, only ignored by history and current academia. A significant percentage of the
following tribes can be proved to be found in the following nations:
o Manasseh (Joseph) United States
o Ephraim (Joseph) Great Britain, Canada and Australia
o Reuben France
o Zebulon Netherlands
o Issachar Finland
o Naphtali Sweden
o Benjamin Norway
o Dan Ireland and Denmark
o Gad ? central Europe: Luxembourg, parts of Germany and/or Switzerland?
o Asher ? South Africa and/or Belgium?
o Levi scattered among other tribes, predominately Judah, some as ministers or
o Simeon scattered among other tribes,

Silvers said...

Many have already left - Were shall we go ?

Imperial Schools said...

Jon is great . We at Grace Communion International fully understand his view point on prophecy
But Know this Church Of God The eternal -JESUS ANNOUNCED
God wants everyone to live forever in love…

We pray Jon will seek the good philosophy of Christ. His trying to help his Church Group in this way as follows 1) In with the new 21 New truths! 2) Out with the old Herbert W. Armstrong Revelations of Truths.

No Church eras - we agree we are all One Body. Join us

Bob said...

Jon has the desire to share the good news of the grace of God in Jesus Christ inside his group with change. Well done. Now it's time to tell others about his modern miracle