Saturday, June 1, 2024

Dave Pack Has A Fetish And It Sure Isn't Getting Prophecy Right


David C. Pack’s List Fetish

Pastor General David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God has an insatiable list fetish.

The world’s most prolifically ineffective false prophet, false apostle, and false teacher cannot stop himself from creating comically long and perfectly worthless lists that make temporary points supporting foolish conclusions.

Let your imagination run wild with which definition more aptly applies to him.

– a form of sexual desire in which gratification is strongly linked to a particular object or activity or a part of the body other than the sexual organs.
– an excessive and irrational devotion or commitment to a particular thing.
– an inanimate object worshiped for its supposed magical powers or because it is considered to be inhabited by a spirit.

Whether he calls them points or proofs, hands them out, or waves them franticly in the air, there are not enough pages on the planet that will ever prove that David C. Pack has any idea what God plans to do or when Jesus Christ will return.

But that does not stop him from trying.

Flashback Part 511 – May 4, 2024
@ 1:00:24 You know, I made a list of Iyar points here. I had quite a list for various reasons.

Iyar came and went without incident, proving the usefulness of that list.

@ 1:00:48 I’ve got like 117 points I made here. It’s impossible to have a kingdom of a month in front of two kingdoms.

Flashback Part 512 – May 11, 2024
@ 1:39:12 I have 150-160 proofs there are two kingdoms.

How can you tell when a fetish becomes an addiction requiring professional treatment?

Flashback Part 391 – September 3, 2022
@ 1:24:53 I’m not lazy. I worked as hard as I could. I go to bed 12-1-1:30 [AM] every single night. I'm almost never in bed before 12, and I’m working on all just Greek, Hebrew, lists, piles, papers all over the place.

See. David C. Pack is not mentally ill, folks. The guy just needs to get some sleep.

Flashback Part 395 – October 1, 2022
@ 38:42 I’m gonna show you it’s impossible that this is wrong. If it’s wrong, it’s only because we have the wrong year. Believe me, and you’ll agree long before I get through about 66 proofs here.

When a list fails to become accurate, it is easier for David C. Pack to blame God rather than himself.

Flashback Part 409 – December 10, 2022
@ 18:38 The only way we go further if Christmas and all the proofs were a ruse by God to throw us off. And all the things that point to Sunday, including logic, were a ruse by God to throw us off. Then, there is no Mount Everest. We just built one, and it's a mirage. And God deliberately, with two long lists, threw us off.

The creation of lists denotes David C. Pack’s inherent specialness. It is a frightening thing to consider that if it was not for him, these lists may have never existed.

Flashback Part 413 – January 4, 2023
@ 17:03 I promise you, nobody has ever written down the list I'm about to fire at you like bullets out of a machine gun. But, I’m just gonna tell you, no one was ever led to do it.

Flashback Part 421 – February 18, 2023
@ 43:50 I’m gonna give you, basically, 16 proofs of how long the Kingdom of Israel is with a twist.

Flashback Part 435 – April 15, 2023
@ 36:04 Now, I can’t make this day come sooner, but I will lock it in your mind. There’s no way outta this. …14 points down. 17 to go.

David C. Pack cannot teach about the return of Jesus Christ or the coming of any kingdom without clutching onto his precious lists.

Flashback Part 441 – May 6, 2023
@ 41:01 So, the Day of the Lord has to be, has to be November 6th starting the night of the 5thYou can’t argue with it. I’m gonna give you many more proofs of that in a moment… And then, I’m just gonna overload you with proofs.

Flashback Part 446 – June 3, 2023
@ 21:32 Now, if you just accept that (and I’ll give you more proofs), then the Kingdom of God has to start on Tammuz 1. It’s impossible. I’m gonna give ya many more points.

Flashback Part 461 – July 29, 2023
@ 28:39 Now, as I lay out this absolutely stunning proof to you, I’m not gonna tell you. I’m not gonna tell you when the Kingdom comes.

@ 29:04 You will absolutely know and know that you know, and nobody with a machine gun to your headcould convince you it's other than what I'm gonna show you. All questions are gonna be dead and buried long before we get through this list.

The problem is not with the lists, the points, or the proofs. The problem is that David C. Pack is just wrong, in addition to being incompetent, inept, and arrogantly feeble-minded. This does not stop him from spending his time generating list after list after list.


Only fools believe what David C. Pack says. He is a bruised reed, and anyone who leans on his words will have it go into his hand and pierce it. Woe to all who trust in him.

Flashback Part 471 – September 30, 2023
@ 1:43:41 I just don’t know. And I’m not here to tell you the day. I’ll never do it again. I’ll never do it again.…So, I’m gonna… read a dozen points on a list as to why tonight is a possibility because everybody in RCG will be tonight because this is one way to see it.

The man cannot learn his lesson or hold to his promises.

Flashback Part 512 – May 11, 2024
@ 07:25 But, I know when the Seven Year Kingdom begins. The very day. Absolutely. I know it… I’ve got 50 proofs of when this happens. I absolutely know and know that I know and know that I know that I know.

But a few days later, not so much.

Part 514 – May 25, 2024
@ 1:13:42 I told you I knew exactly when this was, and that’s true. I know it’s in Spring. But… I’m dead down the middle 50/50 whether we’ve got a 12-day wait or 21 minus some hours.

Knowing the very day, absolutely as sure as he knows his own name was NOT true. David C. Pack lied again because it is not just what he does but who he is.

He may have spilled the beans on his latest theory, but wait for him to squirm away from both dates as they approach.

Sivan 1 begins June 6 at 8:56 PM ET.
Pentecost begins June 15 at 9:01 PM ET.
The countdown clock is ticking on

A list of David C. Pack’s fetish list pattern:

1) Get suspicious.
2) Compose and teach a list of proofs.
3) Focus on a Holy Day, the Hebrew calendar, any biblical event, or a New Moon.
4) Repeat how inarguable the list is, and the presumptive conclusion will never change.
5) Declare sharp, absolute statements when the date is far away.
6) Begin waffling and walking it back as the date approaches by dropping hints of uncertainty.
7) Feel incredibly uncomfortable, but hide it from the brethren.
8) Create new twists to dull the edges of his assertions or discredit them entirely.
9) Bitch and moan about how hard prophecy is to figure out.
10) Play the victim card and boohoo over the perceived attacks by perceived enemies.
11) Finally, the doubts held in secret are expressed while proclaiming that everything is still right on track.
12) Just before the date fails, make CAD send a surrender announcement with promises of a more exciting and better future because God has provided Mr. Pack with a new understanding.
13) Brag about how he knew nothing was gonna happen afterward.

He has repeated this pattern for 11 years. This is the pathetic template of a spiritually bankrupt organization known as The Restored Church of God.

David C. Pack is the living fraud in charge of that black hole of mental disorders, which is suffering deeper financial problems than they let on.


David C. Pack has been publicly displaying his list fetish for a long time. One of his most famous lists was the 134-point Many Questions God Answered from 2016, which publicly addressed all the other Splinters groups in the HWA Church of God community. Download the PDF if you are in the mood for a laugh.

As it turned out, all the brethren would not be back together that year or anytime soon.

David C. Pack, Coffee Kid, and Pepper Boy's efforts are so vital to a Christian's salvation that they often distribute a handout for the brethren to study. Until a few days later when that teaching is abandoned.

To experience the torture of being a member of The Restored Church of God, download this Part 156 handout from 2019. It is twelve legal-sized pages with a small font and narrow margins.

No matter what list or handout is provided, the passage of time proves the trivialness of it all.


The failures of Sivan 1 and Pentecost are just over the horizon and are staring at us with perfect certainty. If I could put money down, I would bet not even non-critical thinker Edward Winkfield believes either of those dates will produce anything of substance.

The Restored Church of God Headquarters Campus is like a mental hospital with only one patient: David C. Pack. Everyone else there knows he lives in a fantasy world of his own creation but plays along to pacify him with nods, wide-eyed smiles, and repeating, "Oh, yes, Mr. Pack. That list of proofs was very powerful." Barf.

He is the only one there who believes what he says…but even he has his suspicions.

Flashback Part 513 – May 18, 2024
@ 50:49 But, I want you to see how easy it is to prove it’s Trumpets in the Bible.

@ 1:17:50 That’s a powerful [40-point] list.

@ 1:19:40 Instead of Trumpets, is there an entirely different way of looking at the mysterious date we’re waiting for? I have 133 points…that say Yes.

Only a disgruntled antichrist would dare remind anyone of the following quotes at this most inopportune moment.

Flashback Part 383 – July 23, 2022
@ 25:01 Now let’s look at one of the most powerful proofs not only of Trumpets but that it has to be, has to be Trumpets this year or we have a three-year wait.

@ 21:45 It has become absolute heresy to reject that the Day of the Lord comes on the Feast of Trumpets.

David C. Pack rejects the Day of the Lord coming on the Feast of Trumpets and is labeled a heretic by David C. Pack. No one else needs to raise a hand against him because he does it to himself.


David C. Pack has other men carry his heavy briefcase over-stuffed with insignificant notes, proofs, points, and lists. The physical weight of them contains perceived value because of his list fetish, but the content endures far less than vapor.

Part 514 – May 25, 2024
@ 06:26 About three weeks ago, I created a document which I called “Sivan 1.” And a lotta points on it. About 60 different points that …pointed to Sivan.

@ 58:37 I had prepared an unbelievably powerful list of things, page after page, single-spaced, and eventually, I distilled them that pointed to Pentecost for the start.

One list points to Sivan. Another list points to Pentecost. Oh, the conundrum.

You could almost feel bad for Coffee Kid and Pepper Boy slaving away in the Third Floor Executive Imaginarium as they frantically type, highlight, compile, prepare, and file endless lists week after week after week as their youth and sanity slowly bleed out of them.

Do not hold too much pity because they choose to continue wasting their lives doing so. They see what I see. And more.


David C. Pack says everything you need to hear to know whether he speaks the truth or not. If the brethren of The Restored Church of God paid attention to what he said and believed him, the reality of the need to flee the vile corruption of that sad, hollow organization would be crystal clear.

Observe David C. Pack invalidate his list fetish with two simple statements.

Flashback Part 513 – May 18, 2024
@ 1:20:04 I just proved it's Trumpets, and there's no way it's Trumpets…

Part 514 – May 25, 2024
@ 1:31:35 Virtually every point proving Sivan 1 can be tweaked to fit Pentecost equally.

The members of RCG do not hear David C. Pack when he says what perfectly illustrates the tragic futility of all 514 Parts of “The Greatest Unending Story!” and underlines the emptiness of their doomed hope for his accurate guidance.

And he cannot hear himself either. Those two sentences undermine eleven years of lists and handouts. They also evaporate the value of spending hours and late nights creating, editing, presenting, and teaching lists in the future.

He has said it. Dave can disprove by proving, therefore proving nothing. He can tweak something to shift to something else. His points are pointless.

List fetishist David C. Pack can now be translated into plain English:

I can create a list to prove or disprove anything.
No list actually proves or disproves anything.
Any list can invalidate any other list.

God did not inspire David C. Pack to create any of his inconsequential lists. They are merely figments of the presumptive imagination of a twisted, corrupt mind. History proves this with 100% assurance.

A list of 40 items pointed to the Feast of Trumpets.
A list of 60 items pointed to Sivan 1.
A list of 66 items pointed to The Last Great Day.
A list of 133 items pointed to Pentecost [2024 version]
A list of 16 items proved the length of the Kingdom to Israel.
A list of 117 items disproved the one-month Kingdom.
A list of 150-160 items proved there are only two kingdoms.

That is but the tiniest sample of David C. Pack’s list fetish in action. When a fetish becomes a life-damaging addiction, it is time for an intervention by mental health care professionals.

The mouth of David C. Pack declares all his lists moot. He would be well served to take his unprofitable lists and put them to good use by tossing them into the fireplace. Those countless hours of toil could be used to generate a few moments of warmth rather than a decade of idle misery.

Marc Cebain

See: David C. Pack’s List Fetish

David C. Pack spilled the beans. But do not eat them. Like everything he offers, they are poison.


Spilling the Beans

After weeks of teasing and playing coy, Pastor General David C. Pack finally spilled the beans about exactly when Jesus Christ will return, thus proving to all the mocking naysayer enemy attackers who has God’s ear after all.

But not quite yet.

The resident false apostle of The Restored Church of God really knew how to dangle that taunting carrot on the stick when everyone knew he would eventually flash his prophetic boobies just to see the thrill in their eyes.

At first, he came on pretty strong during "The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 512)" on May 11, 2024.

Flashback Part 512 – May 11, 2024
@ 07:25 But I know when the Seven Year Kingdom begins. The very day. Absolutely. I know it… 

@ 07:47 I’ve got 50 proofs of when this happens. I absolutely know and know that I know and know that I know that I know.

@ 1:40:19 I'll just say one last time and, and nobody gonna get it out of me. I know the date this comes. It’s impossible that it’s wrong. Impossible.

It was very…suspicious…when he held it back. When Dave typically does this, you find out later he was uncertain or just changed his mind entirely. This deceptive stalling tactic becomes less effective each time he leans on it.

True to form one week later, during “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 513)” on May 18, 2024, David C. Pack doubled down on his prophetic assertions and teased the answer was coming. With a twist. Oh, boy.

Part 513 – May 18, 2024
@ 00:22 I told ya that I know the date, and I’m three times more certain of it than I was when I told you it was impossible that it was wrong.

@ 48:50 But, you can’t know anything until you know when the First Kingdom starts. So, that’s what we need to talk about. Now, I want you to stay with me because this is gonna take quite a twist. It’s gonna take an unexpected and very powerful twist at the end. You can't anticipate it. But I want to explain something to you because what we're gonna do illustrates a lot of our challenges.

@ 49:18 We’ve gotta revisit when do the Seven Years start? I told you a week ago, I wuddn’t sure I should get into this. Now I know I have to… And we’re gonna start it tonight. I can now answer when it begins, but I wanna repeat an unexpected, powerful twist arrives at the end tonight. Stay with me.

David C. Pack drags The Restored Church of God through 80 minutes of suffering, wasting their Sabbath away and still not telling them the date. Instead, he does a bait-and-switch by presenting a 40-point list proving Jesus Christ will return on Trumpets. The twist was a biblical middle finger for his audience.


@ 50:49 But, I want you to see how easy it is to prove it’s Trumpets in the Bible.

David C. Pack spends the next 27 minutes teaching 40 points from his list. In the end, the list was declared as not actually proving anything.

@ 1:17:50 That’s a powerful list. But, you’re saying to yourself, “It’s 19 ½ more weeks to go. What?” God waited eight years and eight months from the start of the Series from September of 2015 to reveal the correct Seven-Year Kingdom date now?

@ 1:18:24 Last week, we saw in detail (and I alluded to this a moment ago) the enormous of chal–challenge of what the Seven Year Kingdom is, that it looks better than the Kingdom of God. We eventually saw it’s not the Kingdom of God. But, oh, does it look like it.

@ 1:19:38 Could Trumpets be the same? Instead of Trumpets, is there an entirely different way of looking at the mysterious date we’re waiting for? I have 133 points (some of them strong enough by themself) that say Yes. [laughs] And, unlike Trumpets, they're impossible to overturn. Impossible to overturn. But it illustrates the difficulty of the Series.

This futile exercise demonstrated to the disgruntled membership how hard prophecy is to figure out. That is why men must be Spirit-led and inspired by the True God. True prophets, true apostles, and true teachers do not struggle like this. That subtle detail is lost on David C. Pack and the hireling enablers at Headquarters.

David C. Pack does not realize how his own words invalidate himself. He perfectly demonstrates how no list he ever creates actually proves anything in 3…2...1…

@ 1:20:04 I just proved it's Trumpets, and there's no way it's Trumpets any more than the Seven Years is the Kingdom of God. It illustrates how hard this is. ‘Cause I know some of you, your hearts sank, “Mr. Pack, we’re goin’ back to Trumpets again?”

@ 1:20:30 It is not Trumpets. One of the great, truly great Bible stories comes next. It's so big and so powerful, I can't even do it in the next Sabbath…

@ 1:20:49 In the meantime, stay close to God. Meet all the requirements to go first and be ready. We'll be back next Sabbath, and I’ll tell you why we’re not waiting till October 3rd. Good night.

That was it. That was Part 513. A pure vanity exercise that allowed Dave to procrastinate a bit longer so that the dull-eared among the brethren would not notice that he changed his tune. He switched the beans on them and most probably never noticed.


After toying with the hearts of his eager worshippers, David C. Pack finally spilled the beans on when Jesus Christ would return.

Part 514 – May 25, 2024
@ 00:16 Okay. When do the Seven Years begin? We've been talking about it and sort of at it, around it a little bit for the last two weeks. But when do they begin?

It was a secret for weeks—but no longer.

Jesus Christ Will Return on Sivan 1!
Or Maybe Pentecost.
(June 7! Or maybe June 16.)

Sivan 1 begins at 8:56 PM ET on June 6
Pentecost begins at 9:01 PM ET on June 15
Take your pick.

Is that trumpet giving an uncertain sound? Yes. Yes, it is. For all his bravado, Dave falls short of nailing it down because prophecy is just so darn hard to figure out. But, on the bright side, he has more lists to wave.

During Part 513, David C. Pack used his potent list to prove Jesus Christ would return on the Feast of Trumpets to make a point He will not return on the Feast of Trumpets.

During Part 514 the next week, he performed a similar gimmick with his fascinating points leading to “impossible it’s wrong” Sivan 1. Or, so we thought.

Part 514 – May 25, 2024
@ 06:26 About three weeks ago, I created a document which I called “Sivan 1.” And a lotta points on it. About 60 different points that pointed to that (no pun intended), but they pointed to to Sivan.

@ 20:27 I’m just tryin' to give you easy stuff, so we're thinkin’ Spring. You know it can’t be too long because I’m near the end of the Series. I have very little left to go. I certainly don’t have enough material to get us to Trumpets. 

@ 32:51 It could easily be saying right before Sivan, right before Sivan 1 at sundown (‘cause He would come to us a little before that), He’s gonna come back same Jesus, same way, same time.

@ 36:47 …then it’s telling you that judges and counselors judges and counselors (now, this is important) were appointed on Sivan 1.

@ 38:49 And I’m telling you, it’s impossible to argue with Sivan 1. That’s why it became so important for me…I need to know, are we looking at Christ ascended to heaven for the only time He will ever do that right before Sivan 1?

While making his case for Sivan 1, Dave leaves a trail of beans leading brethren away from the specific day he adamantly asserted.

@ 45:34 God does things in Spring. So, all of this is pointing away from not just Trumpets but any other month other than Sivan 1.

@ 54:10 But, we’d been keeping New Moons. Why have we been keeping ‘em? Well, the answer is pretty obvious now. We’ve kept seven because we’re watching for one. We’ve been trained for a little over half a year to watch for a New Moon.

Wow. The case for Jesus Christ returning on Sivan 1 is pretty solid, right?



Instead of ending the blathering Bible study after 55 minutes and settling on Sivan 1, Dave had to toss some wiggle worms into the can of prophetic beans. My observation he was actually stalling proved correct again.

@ 55:10 But I began to be suspicious of something else, and I don’t know if I’m right or wrong. But I’m gonna lay it out to you.

Dave may not know if he is right or wrong, but everyone else already has the correct answer. He is wrong and will always be wrong. It is impossible for him to get anything prophetic right. He is a professional moron. The perpetual Bible student who never produces anything real. The inept prophecy hobbyist too dumb to realized when he stuck his foot in his mouth.

It is disturbing that he knows what he is about to teach is self-indulgent presumption but pushes forward anyway. If there is a slight, outside chance Dave might be right about something, he is compelled to get in front of it to claim the premature glory. What a misery it would be for him to be finally right about something prophetic and realize too late he lacked the courage to shout it in the streets.

He throws more darts on the prophetic guessing board to see if one finally sticks.

Given his documented track record, why should anyone in The Restored Church of Another god entertain the smallest notion of anything he says next?

@ 55:16 And, and it'll just be whatever it is.

Whatever it is? It is a waste of time. That is what it always proves to be.

Instead of giving the brethren at Headquarters thirty more minutes of their Sabbath back to go do anything else, David C. Pack makes them sit in their chairs to force-feed them biblical fantasy.

@ 55:46 And I I feel compelled to to lay this out for the balance of the of the time. But, it’s it’s fascinating. If if nothing else, what I’m gonna tell you, I mean, confirms in one of the most powerful ways that WE have this right.

David C. Pack hides what he previously said and hopes to speak past it so that only a few brethren paying attention would notice.

@ 56:04 We have the right time of year. But in a in a in a wuh–with a twist. I told you were gonna get into the subject of Trumpets, and there was a twist like here's the twist: it iddn’t Trumpets. That’s a pretty big twist.But, anyway, here we are with a with a kind of a twist.

David C. Pack suffers from a confused, twisted mind. On top of that, the man is a certified liar. He will prove that anyone who cares to listen in 3…2…1…

@ 1:13:42 I told you I knew exactly when this was, and that's true. I know it’s in Spring. But I will I will just tell you, if you wanna know where I am, I’m dead down the middle 50/50 whether we’ve got a 12-day wait or 21 minus some hours. I’m dead down the middle.


Knowing the season is not even close to what he bragged the past few weeks.

Flashback Part 512 – May 11, 2024
@ 07:25 But I know when the Seven Year Kingdom begins. The very day. Absolutely. I know it… 

@ 07:47 I’ve got 50 proofs of when this happens. I absolutely know and know that I know and know that I know that I know.

@ 1:24:30 If God wants me to, I’ll tell you the day it comes. This First Kingdom. ‘Cause I know absolutely as certain as I know my own name.

@ 1:40:19 I'll just say one last time and and nobody gonna get it out of me. I know the date this comes. It’s impossible that it’s wrong. Impossible.

@ 1:41:57 If God wants me to tell you the date …If He wants me to, I’ll tell you.

@ 1:42:58 I always told you when I had the wrong date. Now I know I’ve got the right one. But I’m not gonna do it.

Flashback Part 513 – May 18, 2024
@ 00:22 I told ya that I know the date, and I'm three times more certain of it than I was when I told you it was impossible that it was wrong.

All evidence concludes that David C. Pack is a bald-faced liar.

When someone pays attention to what he says, writes it down, and then reads it back later, that person is a devil-driven enemy of God attacking the church. But when someone teaches 1,200 people while claiming God's name and authority to preach 82 failed dates for the return of Jesus Christ, that person is an apostle and God's only true mouthpiece.

Come on, now. Which one of us here has any real credibility?

Hey, Brad or Ed…. Would you care to take that on?

I didn’t think so.

Being split 50/50 between two dates nine days apart is not “exactly.” Knowing a season of the year is not “exactly.” Any other lunatic could proclaim a season of the year and have a 25% of eventually getting it right.

David C. Pack knew what he was doing when he twisted his words to hold up the flag of “that’s true” when what he said was not true. Not even a little bit.


Dave makes a case for Pentecost with another pointless list, allowing the dark spirit that is moving him to inspire his suspicion. Yikes.

Part 514 – May 25, 2024
@ 1:14:29 Is that when God would raise Elijah? Would He raise others to power? The world first sees God’s power on Pentecost or Sivan 1?

@ 1:31:04 So, if you were me, if if you were I, you you would you would be suspicious of Pentecost ‘cause one a two things is true: God is He either wants to hit Pentecost or come near it.

False prophets also like to come near a target without needing to hit it exactly.

David C. Pack proves what a colossal waste of time it is for him to spend hours locked away in the Third Floor Executive Imaginarium with Coffee Kid and Pepper Boy foolishly crafting stupid lists that do nothing and mean nothing in 3…2…1…

@ 1:31:35 Virtually every point proving Sivan 1 can be tweaked to fit Pentecost equally.

Mic drop.

The Pastor General of The Restored Church of Another god continuously ignores the implications of the words that fall from his lips. He cannot seem to perceive that which is beyond his nose. Unless someone places their hands on the wooden walls of the Main Hall. That he can see from across the room.

Dave made the point exemplifying that every single list he had ever conjured could be “tweaked to fit” anything else, making them of zero value and utterly unremarkable.

David C. Pack is wasting his time. He is wasting the time of the RCG brethren. And the passive, gutless husks at Headquarters permit his madness to continue unabated. Shame on the lot of those desolate hirelings.

@ 1:33:47 We can pray for the first date. I'm very, very, very suspicious and I have a I told ya I had a 133-points. There is way more than what I told you. I’m very suspicious of the latter. Godspeed either. Good night.

There you have it. 

Jesus Christ will return on Sivan 1, but it is equally possible for Him to return on Pentecost. A 50/50 shot is for cowards at the roulette table and false apostles like David C. Pack.

David C. Pack spilled the beans. But do not eat them. Like everything he offers, they are poison.

Marc Cebrian

Friday, May 31, 2024

Crackpot Prophet Claims He Now Has Over 10,000 Followers


God's greatest gift to the Church of God and the best church leader the church has ever seen is back thumping his little chest about how superfantabulous his little group is. He even claims apostolic succession by claiming he has an unbroken history all the way back to Jesus Christ. Heck, even Jesus chuckled at that one!

Imagine if he boasted of Jesus as much as he does himself.

We trace our unbroken history to the start of the New Testament church in the Book of Acts. We are a pacifist church that teaches original Christianity as taught and practiced by Jesus Christ, the original Apostles, their early faithful followers, and others faithful to original Christianity throughout history. We have supporters and congregations around the world. We have free literature online available in over 1500 languages at We have churches in multiple countries (see Congregations of the Continuing Church of God ) and over 10,000 congregants around the world.

Carnal Minded Church Members

Remember these fun times with Herbert bellowing with spittle flying and fists hitting the desk?

You can watch the complete video here: 

Thursday, May 30, 2024

I Don't Want to Read, Hear or Entertain Anything That Might Lead Me Away from the Truth!

I Don't Want to Read, Hear or Entertain Anything That Might Lead Me Away from the Truth!

In the past, I have commented about the self-reinforcing straitjacket which Herbert Armstrong devised for his followers. The psychology is simple, but it is also very powerful. It goes something like this: 1) Convince your followers that the majority of Christians are deceived, and that you alone have discovered the TRUE version of that faith. 2) Spoon feed them the cherry-picked Scriptural reasoning you employed to arrive at your system and convince them that they have proven these "truths" from their own Bible. 3) Convince them that their new understanding is the evidence that they have God's Holy Spirit. 4) Instill in them the fear that it is possible to lose some or all of that understanding and/or lose the "inspiration" of the Holy Spirit. This clever, yet subtle, conditioning of his followers allowed Armstrong to imprison his followers in a perpetual state of circular reasoning! "God has revealed his TRUTH to me, and I must hold on to it with all my might and strength." Research, questioning, and testing are no longer necessary - We've arrived at destination TRUTH. Hence, there is no longer any need to investigate or explore! Add to all of this being immersed in a culture of folks who think the same way, and the fact that they are all led by ministers who were trained to periodically remind them about the danger of losing this "treasure," and "abracadabra" you have a closed mind!

Of course, this all brings to mind Christ's Parable of the Talents. In the Gospel of Matthew, we read:

"'For it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants and entrusted to them his property. To one he gave five talents, [a large amount of money] to another two, to another one, to each according to his ability. Then he went away. He who had received the five talents went at once and traded with them, and he made five talents more. So also he who had the two talents made two talents more. But he who had received the one talent went and dug in the ground and hid his master's money. Now after a long time the master of those servants came and settled accounts with them. And he who had received the five talents came forward, bringing five talents more, saying, 'Master, you delivered to me five talents; here, I have made five talents more.' His master said to him, 'Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.' And he also who had the two talents came forward, saying, 'Master, you delivered to me two talents; here, I have made two talents more.' His master said to him, 'Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.' He also who had received the one talent came forward, saying, 'Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you scattered no seed, so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here, you have what is yours.' But his master answered him, 'You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed? Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest. So take the talent from him and give it to him who has the ten talents. For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'" (Matthew 25:14-30, ESV) Question: What did Christ do to the servant who had protected his one talent (the one who had failed to increase what had been entrusted to him)? Answer: He took away what he had been given!

Moreover, these followers of Herbert Armstrong are WRONG about the evidence that someone has God's Holy Spirit. According to the Gospel of John, Jesus Christ once said: "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another." (John 13:34-35, ESV) Likewise, the Apostle Paul wrote to the Christians of Galatia that "the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law." (Galatians 5:22-23, ESV) Notice something missing in that list? Understanding isn't in the list! Indeed, Paul told the saints at Corinth that they could have prophetic powers, understand ALL mysteries, and enough faith to move mountains and still be NOTHING. (I Corinthians 13:2) He went on to say that "Now we see things imperfectly, like puzzling reflections in a mirror, but then we will see everything with perfect clarity. All that I know now is partial and incomplete, but then I will know everything completely, just as God now knows me completely." (I Corinthians 13:12, NLT) Did you catch that? In the present, WE (Christians) see things IMPERFECTLY! Likewise, in the second epistle of Peter, we read: "you must grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ." (II Peter 3:18, NLT) Doesn't that mean that we will always have MORE to learn? What do you think? Is the Armstrong template regarding understanding really consistent with Scripture?

Miller Jones/Lonnie C Hendrix

Wednesday, May 29, 2024

Do COG Leaders Possess Insights Like No Other Men On Earth?

Apostle, prophet, Chief Overseer, Pastor General, President, Coordinator General, and lots of other self-appointed self-aggrandizing titles have been used by leaders in the Church of God-Armstrongist movement for decades. It is meant as a psychological tool to impress members and to keep them in church under the iron hammers of church government and control.

The other thing their titles were meant to convey to us is that they wanted us to believe that they possess special insights from God that no other human has ever had. Most of the time they try to make us believe that God speaks directly to them and delivers all kinds of fantastical tales and utterances, which actually 99.99% of the time is utter bullshit.

All of these bumptious "men" have proven to be nothing more than vomit-producing loudmouths who have no real understanding of the Bible and the New Covenant, nor do any of them have a real relationship with Jesus, that rascally dude who constantly upsets their applecarts yet is the one who they claim to follow, but actually do not.

Each one of the splinter leaders employs different manipulative catchphrases that are psychological tools to keep members engaged with the mountainous piles of crap they dish out daily, which ultimately have no benefit or bearing on the spiritual life of their followers. Sadly, far too many are still enthralled by cocksure bleatings by these buffoonish men.

Exit and Support Network had this up about Gerald Flurry's manipulation.

Adept at Using Copious Psychological Methods:
May 28 2024 
GF and his evil so-called “ministers” are extremely adept at using copious psychological methods in their literature and videos to pique people’s interest to pull them in. Words such as: lost, lost secret, God’s secret, key to, key of David, unlocks, what is truth, mystery, important message, miracle, end-time bible prophecy, world events, God’s true church; free booklet, etc., etc. 
One of the biggest lies I think I’ve read was in a 2016 article where they said: “Mr. Armstrong possessed insight like no other man of his time because he didn’t speak from his own mind, but from the mind of God—through the truth revealed in the Bible. Before his death in 1986, he accurately prophesied of many world events that were to take place—and they have or are coming to pass today. [Read: Did Herbert Armstrong Set Dates?] … Today, Gerald Flurry continues the same work…” (i. e., the same con game.) 
It’s uplifting to hear many have been brave enough to leave this cult. Gerald Flurry’s final day of reckoning is coming and hopefully soon! –R. O.

Tuesday, May 28, 2024

Crackpot Prophet Has Publicly Declared It Is Ok To Say Amen At End Of A Prayer!


Amen, Bro!

Back in 2017, we reported how Ron Harmon had a meltdown over the use of the word "amen" and disassociated himself from the House of God group. (see: More Upheaval In the COG: Pastor Resigns Over Use of "Amen" at End of Prayers). Harmon had a fit because he says the word "amen" means you are asking the sun god "Aman-Ra" from ancient Egypt to bless your prayer.

We ran another article in 2020 where this idiocy was brought up again, this time claiming the use of amen has Egyptian roots, again rooted in the deity Amun. (see: Saying Amen is Wrong? Missing the point all together.)

Never fear though if you do have concerns, Since the Great Bwana Bob Mzungu Thiel has to weigh in on EVERY jot and tittle he has thus declared saying amen is perfectly ok! 

The Great One says:

While some may say that saying Amen sounds too much like Amon (or that the sun-god’s name is also sometimes pronounced as A-men), we do not stop using words just because they have a similar sound in English as pagan deities.

For an example, one of the main Egyptian deities was Ra. People from certain parts of the USA pronounce the English word “raw” as “rah.” When one is speaking about something that is raw, one is not invoking a pagan deity. Ending prayers with Amen is also not invoking a pagan deity.

Interestingly, after I wrote all of that for the prayer booklet, my family and I actually visited an Egyptian museum in Northern California last month. And there, I was also able to confirm that the way we say ‘Amen’ is not the way that the Egyptian god is addressed. Those who claim otherwise apparently have not looked at this in sufficient detail and/or have dismissed Hebrew and Greek scriptures.

It is appropriate to end prayers with Amen.

So let it be written, so let it be done! 

When all of this stupidity was coming out, a person on Facebook said this:

Thought this was funny. What if we said Amen all those times heartening back to the “pagan” god of Amun in a church SO careful not to do anything even remotely of such origins??! I grew up in South Texas and we took a church youth field trip to a museum where we learned that tortillas were originally round in worship of the Sun god in Aztec culture. No ministers stopped chowing down on tacos. šŸŒ® Tacos continued to show up at every potluck and church picnic where I was from!! My point I guess is that the true roots of a lot of things are convoluted. Many hands have touched, for instance, what a cross means. It’s a very common symbol I’ve see engraved and sculpted by many cultures as I’ve had the opportunity to travel the world. Mrs. Armstrong saw what she thought were Easter eggs engraved in the walls in Egypt and HWA declared them pagan because something that looked like them decorated Ancient Egyptian ruins - I’ve seen those same engravings when I travelled there. Tour guides of multiple cultures have given me so many explanations for the meaning of the exact same symbol. The WCG/COGs not only are hypocritical in this, but they miss the point all together. I think things, symbols, and words hold the meaning we give them. Facebook


Monday, May 27, 2024

Martin Treptow and the COGs


Martin Treptow and the COGs

During WW1, MartinTreptow was a young solider in the 168th infantry of the 42nd Rainbow division.

The division was involved in fierce combat against the Germans at the Croix Rouge Farm
in France. During the assault on Hill 212 a volunteer was needed to deliver a message to a platoon of American infantry. Treptow willingly stepped forward to serve as the messenger. Tragically as Treptow neared the besieged platoon he was cut down by a barrage of German machine gun fire.

After the battle American soldiers found in Treptow's blouse his diary. Under the flyleaf there was a handwritten pledge by Treptow dated December 31, 1917. The pledge stated:

"The end of a long
America must win this war
Therefore I will work,
I will save,
I will sacrifice
I will endure
I will fight cheerfully and
do my utmost as if the
whole issue of the struggle
depended on me alone." 

Treptow's commitment and sacrifice was mentioned by Ronald Reagan during his first First Inaugural Address.

“The crisis we are facing today does not require of us the kind of sacrifice that Martin Treptow and so many thousands of others were called upon to make. 
It does require, however, our best effort and our willingness to believe in ourselves and believe in our capacity to perform great deeds, to believe that together and with God’s help we can and will resolve the problems which confront us. 
And, after all, why shouldn’t we believe that? We are Americans.”

Given all the suffering around us, it is time we all commit ourselves to truly love our fellow man. It is time especially for the COGs that are so vocal about being “God's people” to turn from their hypocritical selfish ways, and to truly love others. Treptow's example calls us all to a better path.

Crackpot Prophet Admits Its All Speculation


The Great Bwana Bob Muzngu Thiel admits what we have all known all along. He has no facts, cannot produce a shred of evidence, can't prophesy, and cannot accurately predict anything because it is all speculation.

On other matters, let me mention that this week’s recommended sermon (watch European Union & 7 Kings of Revelation) contains some speculative materials, but is based on various scriptures as well as what we have been seeing developing in Europe. The sermon puts forth a position about the European Union that I have not seen from any group, COG, Protestant, or Greco-Roman Catholic. Of course, we are not here to simply parrot what others teach, but to boldly teach from the word of God (Ephesians 6:18-20) while we also watch events as Jesus taught (e.g. see the 13th chapter of Mark’s gospel account).

Church of God false prophets have spent decades speculating on various scriptures and each and every one has been found wanting, including the Great Bwana Bob. 

Crackpot Prophet On Memorial Day, "Just Wars", And American Football

Here we are on Memorial Day, 2024, a day set aside to honor fallen soldiers who have fought for the freedoms we have and against tyranny both domestic and foreign. It started out as Decoration Day in 1917 and officially became Memorial Day in 1971.

So this brings us to today when our crackpot prophet has to weigh in with more of his stupidity. It's kind of odd some of the things he says and does considering he comes from a military family. But, like many self-appointed COG preachers, they talk the big talk siding with conservative values while never lifting one of their delicate fingers to ever serve the country or their fellow citizens. Thankfully in the early days of the church, we had a lot of men and a few women who had served in the military and did it proudly.

Many like to say the church was pacifist because Herbert Armstrong had a Quaker background but it probably went deeper than that as he thought himself too good and important to join the military. Joining the military would have meant he had to give up his ego and learn to work as one cohesive unit with the other men in his platoon.  Working hard in manual labor was not part of Herbert's thinking. Look at how he boasted about losing one job after another and sitting there watching his family suffer because he felt he was too important to do manual labor.

We are so blessed today in 2024 to have in our midst the GREATEST prophet God has ever sent into this world to deliver such amazing articles and videos unlike any the world has ever seen, until now. God apparently foresaw that Dave Pack, Gerald Flurry, Gerald Weston, Vic Kubik, Jim Franks, Ron and Laura Weinland, David Hulme, and Alton Billingsley were going to be epic failures, so he preordained that the Great Bwana Bob Mzungu Thiel would rise up in the last dispensation to give a final warning to the church and the world. I guess with Bob we have never really understood that God was a great jokester and that he was pulling a fast one on us.

Here is some of the amazing stuff our Great Bwana thought was worth sharing with us on Memorial Day.

He starts by quoting a snippet from an article on the meaning of this day and how we should strive for peace and immediately has to get snarky mocking what was said. Are COG prophets ever happy about anything?

Today, many in the USA observe ‘Memorial Day.’ It was originally known as ‘Decoration Day.’ It started after the American Civil War to commemorate the Union and Confederate soldiers who died in the Civil War. By the 20th century, Memorial Day was extended to honor all Americans who have died while in the military service. 
A secular source posted the following:
May 29, 2023
On Memorial Day, we honor those who died in the service of our country. Let us do everything we can as a people and a nation to stop war and all its brutality.
A peaceful future without war and all its awfulness is the best way to honor our troops, even as we cherish the memory of the heroes who gave their all. The best way to honor sacrifice is to seek an end to war and militarism

The  Great Bwana then adds this:

While that would be great now, that type of peace will not happen until after Jesus, the Prince of Peace, returns. 
A reader sent me a link to the following article about it:

Memorial Day a time to question war

It is proper to pay respect to those who made the ultimate sacrifice for the rest of us. Memorial Day should also be a time of reflection on when it is moral for the United States to wage war and, if allowed, how this country should conduct war. 
War is awful. In these days of shallow, sanitized news coverage, the real horror of war rarely confronts us with the terrible death it levies against fellow humans, soldiers and civilians alike, and the maiming injuries, physical and psychological, it leaves behind in its wake… 
Over the centuries, religious leaders and moral philosophers have clarified moral principles for commencing a “just war.” Choices about war and peace involve not only military and political options, but also moral questions

The Great One then adds this about "just wars", something that was preached over and over in the pulpits of Armstrongism as a necessary evil at times. The Great Bwana blames the "just war" concept on Catholics.

The ‘just war’ concept, to a major degree, is based upon the writings of the Roman Catholic theologian Thomas Aquinas and was a term used by early followers of Martin Luther. In the 16th century, Martin Luther’s followers condemned those who did not believe that Christians were to be soldiers. Notice what the followers of Martin Luther declared in 1530:

Article XVI: Of Civil Affairs. Of Civil Affairs they teach that lawful civil ordinances are good works of God, and that it is right for Christians to bear civil office, to sit as judges, to judge matters by the Imperial and other existing laws, to award just punishments, to engage in just wars, to serve as soldiers...They condemn the Anabaptists who forbid these civil offices to Christians.

It should be noted that some of those called Anabaptists were in the Church of God. Martin Luther would have also condemned groups like the Continuing Church of God which hold to beliefs that he condemned on these matters. 

Martin Luther is in good company considering that even God condemns the improperly named "continuing" Church of "god", but that's another story.

Yet, from the beginning of the New Testament church true Christians (and even most of the heretical apostates) would not participate in carnal warfare.

Yet, Armstrongist ministers have been heard justifying "just wars" over the decades.

Then, being the Great Bwana that the Great Bwana is, this talk of  "just wars" and war itself deteriorates into Roman Colosseum gladiator battles and then into American football. WTH? Only in the mind of a warped COG prophet can "just war" be stretched to fit this mindless scenario.

Athenagoras, a professing Christian apologist, wrote around 170 A.D.:

What man of sound mind, therefore, will affirm, while such is our character, that we are murderers?…
Who does not reckon among the things of greatest interest the contests of gladiators and wild beasts, especially those which are given by you? But we, deeming that to see a man put to death is much the same as killing him, have abjured such spectacles (Athenagoras. A Plea for the Christians, Chapter XXXV). 
Even today, many Christians realize that watching brutal events intent on causing physical harm, such as real boxing and American football, is inappropriate.

Now, here is something from Theophilus of Antioch (who apparently was part of the Church of God) perhaps written about 180 A.D.:

Consider, therefore, whether those who teach such things can possibly live indifferently, and be commingled in unlawful intercourse, or, most impious of all, eat human flesh, especially when we are forbidden so much as to witness shows of gladiators, lest we become partakers and abettors of murders. But neither may we see the other spectacles, lest our eyes and ears be defiled, participating in the utterances there sung. Theophilus of Antioch. To Autolycus, Book III, Chapter XV.
So, true Christians did not believe that they were to fight nor even watch the violent sports that were popular in the second century.

The Great One ends with this:

So, as many remember the soldiers who died in warfare today, Christians can look forward to the time that there will be no more war nor pain of war.

Christians look forward to the day self-appointed lying false prophets leading the Church of God are eliminated and will no longer have any power to destroy followers' lives; physically, mentally, and spiritually. 

May that day speedily come!