Saturday, March 11, 2023

COGWA - We Don't Do "Watered Down" - Best Gaslighting Ever!


Every time I click on the COGWA home page the above image pops up where they make the hilarious claim they "don't do watered down" religion.

It's pretty hard to water down something that is already watered down and ignores Christ and the New Covenant. Being double apostates and professional Juadizers is not spreading a gospel message.

The "standards" that built the COGWA empire were one of rebellion and deceit, not something that real Christians practice.

These are the same people that meet with Kubik and others to form the United Church of God while still employed by the Worldwide Church of God and while being paid by them to be loyal ministers. We watched as they all came and went from Kubik's South Orange Grove Apts in the months leading up to their rank apostasy. Then, once they had enough numbers in place and guaranteed income, they jumped ship to start UCG, ensuring their comfortable lifestyle continued on.

Then, in another rebellion, they took over half the ministry and members of UCG with them to form the Church of God a Worldwide Association splinter group. The same corrupt men who had a chance to start something new in UCG took the old ways of management and legalism with them to continue on doing what they were comfortable with and what benefited them the most.

Substitute the word "churches" below with "COG's" and you have a perfect description of the COG movement today in 2023.

COGWA and UCG's Slight-of-Hand When Dating Their Existence


One of the slickest sleight-of-hand tricks many of the COGs employ is how they date their anniversaries. While most of the major splinter groups started around 1995-1997, they elect to date their existence to the early years of the Worldwide Church of God. 

Many of the more aberrant splinter groups like Restored Church of God, Philadelphia Church of God, Church of God Preaching the Kingdom, and the improperly named "continuing" Church of God believe they are holding true to Herbert Armstrong's teaching in spite of the fact the current doctrinal and public face of these churches are light years different than what Herbert Armstrong envisioned or how the Worldwide Church of God acted. 

The uncomfortable fact that all of these groups ignore is that if they had pulled this crap of starting separate churches they would have been disfellowshipped and marked from day one. None of these groups can make the excuse that if WCG had not changed doctrines then they would not have split off. The men in charge of each of these groups were already causing problems in the Worldwide Church of God where they were ministers. These people are no heroes and none of them have any legticmacy validating their existence. Their ordinations became invalid the second they walked out the door of the mother church, the Worldwide Church of God. Herbert Armstrong would have ensured that, rather swiftly.

A reader here sent this:

Here's something I noticed lately. The various splinters like to claim to be a continuation of WCG, as evidenced by the anniversary celebrations they have. COGWA, for example, doesn't have a 13 year anniversary in 2023, they have a 70 year anniversary.

This kind of sleight-of-hand is not confined to COGWA. Thier mother church, the UCG does the same thing:


Friday, March 10, 2023

Bob Thiel Called "Butt Hurt" By 1st Amendment Auditor


Poor lil'Bob. The world is out to get the little guy. There is a video running on Facebook of Bwana Bob confronting a 1st Amendment Auditor in front of the superfantabulous world headquarters for the improperly named "continuing" Church of "god" where he peddles his wholistic vitamins and supplements from. The Bob did not like this! Doesn't he look threatening!!!!!!!

The best part about the video is that the auditor calls him Butthurt! It's not only us!  ROTLMAO!

While it is still up you can see the video here:

Restored Church of God Scrambles To Make More Excuses For Dave's Disappointing Week Of Failures

"Today is Friday, March 10. When the Sabbath begins at sunset, Jesus Christ will establish the Kingdom of Dave, turn everyone in RCG invisible, then return to heaven while Elijah blathers to the world. Like the 1987 ABC series “Max Headroom,” you cannot shut him off. How is that for a dystopia?"

A Servant Knows


David C. Pack has not had a good week.


After dredging up the second-largest fail in The Restored Church of God's history, he tried to put a new hat on Esther’s Purim Fast from 2019. But that did not work out so well.


This example of uninspired preaching cannot be made more plain as I rush to call Dave out.


Part 426 – March 4, 2023

42:54 When you’ve waited as long as I have, just the sheer knowledge, just the comforting knowledge that I know exactly what God is going to do.


Not “exactly,” as it turns out. 


By the next day, Dave was incredibly uncomfortable, and it was not just the lack of fiber and coffee. He was prophetically constipated when he discovered Purim was only “a guide” pointing toward the following Sabbath.


It must have been a tremendous relief to let it all out for 45 minutes on Tuesday after holding it in for three days. During “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 427)” on March 7, 2023, Dave went through a short list of logical points proving how correct the newest-er picture was.


One massive personal proof was that the 1335 of Daniel 12:12 started on February 24. And only he knew it.


The article Demons or Dementia? eviscerated that idea. Actually, Dave eviscerated himself. When you can line up similar statements from 2021 to 2023, and they "sing in harmony,” it should be a slam dunk the man is living, breathing fraud. Members of RCG who read that and stay have no excuse.


Today is Friday, March 10. When the Sabbath begins at sunset, Jesus Christ will establish the Kingdom of Dave, turn everyone in RCG invisible, then return to heaven while Elijah blathers to the world. Like the 1987 ABC series “Max Headroom,” you cannot shut him off. How is that for a dystopia?


Local sunset times for your area are irrelevant because everything is based on Jerusalem time. Mostly.


March 10, 2023 – 10:43 AM ET



As is the RCG Headquarters tradition of exhibiting a total lack of faith in God’s government in action, they step away from a deadline before it passes. The money never goes to where Dave’s mouth is. It goes into the horse’s mouth.


This Pathetic Update was issued last night.


Prophecy Update – March 9, 2023


Brethren, don’t be surprised—at all—if we are here beyond tomorrow and maybe even go several more days. Mr. Pack does not intend to speak on Sabbath, but if he does, it would be a brief message explaining why!


Based on that sentence structure, I am unsure if Dave will explain why he is not speaking or if Dave will explain why nothing happened.


So, were Parts 425, 426, and 427 mistakes or lies?


Which spirit drove David C. Pack to say all of that—Was it the Spirit of Truth or the Spirit of Error?


Which entity has captured the corporate sheepfold of The Restored Church of God?


The proof is in the corrupted pudding.


That update makes an unordained non-prophet/non-psychic look like a real one. I published this yesterday before that update was posted:


I know this will not happen. You know this will not happen. The Headquarters hirelings know this will not happen. But I also think David C. Pack knows this will not happen.


Last night’s update fits PERFECTLY into the context of this planned article. It puts red circles around the rest of the now-embarrassing quotes from Part 427 three days ago.



The paltry fig leaf from last night frames these comments with a different perspective than when they were spoken.


Part 427 – March 7, 2023

@ 42:15 You [God] would have to be sure Your servant knew that he had fulfilled Your carefully defined charge for him. That he kept a charge. He understood it, and he did it, and he knew that he'd done it. You'd have to do that, or he would wonder if, going into future years, "What if the Mystery of God isn't resolved? What if the way's not prepared? What if I didn't make it plain enough?" Believe me, that keeps me up at night, so to speak. I sleep well.


Which one was proven more inept: Dave or his god?


Deconstructing every idea word-by-word stands in complete agreement with official RCG information.


·      Dave’s god did not carefully define the charge.

·      Servant Dave did not fulfill the charge.

·      Servant Dave did not keep the charge.

·      Servant Dave did not understand the charge.

·      Servant Dave does not know what he thought he knew.

·      Servant Dave will forever wonder about XYZ.

·      The Mystery of God is not resolved.

·      The way is not prepared.

·      Plain has nothing to do with being accurate.

·      Servant Dave will not be sleeping well tonight.


The logic argument in Part 427 sounds familiar. Oh boy, is it.


Part 401 – October 10, 2022

@ 1:01:39 So, 400 Parts complete the charge. I have kept my charge, after all.


Part 409 – December 10, 2022

@ 06:34 If he prophesied, would he know that he did? If he rushed to call out a final message, and afterwards, it will surely come, Christ will surely come. Could he know that he called out that message and that Christ will, therefore, surely come so that all those listening to him are in the same boat? Or is he left to guess?


@ 06:56 If I’d finished the charge, would I know it? If I prepared the way (now Malachi, that was Zechariah) prepared the way right in the face of God coming to His temple and Christ, too. Would I know that I did?Or would I be left to wonder on all those verses? “I wonder if I did those things.”


Part 410 – December 17, 2022

@ 1:44:21 Now, if Tevet 2 comes without Jesus Christ, I just wanna say something very plainly. I want everybody to hear me. I’ll have no idea the year God’s Kingdom comes…because I’ve stress tested the living daylights outta this picture. I have no idea.


Dave will say anything at the moment to make his dramatic point seem confident, even if that means swearing before God and cursing himself. He lives only in the present. He forgets the past and ignores the future. Just as you would expect a narcissistic demonically-influenced, mentally ill person to do.



Part 427 – March 7, 2023

@ 42:43 But, You’d have to be sure Your servant knew and knew that he knew and knew that he knew that he knew he was done. 'Cause, so often, he thought he was. So, You just keep pouring out this knowledge till he’d scratched everything between these two black covers that nothing was left to lay out.


Dave knew nothing because the True God does not guide him. What Dave calls “knowledge” is supposition, presumption, fabrication, imagination, and malarkey.


The harsh reality is that what David C. Pack teaches is evil. His followers worship him rather than God. They prove it by believing him and not their Bible.


Dave does not even believe Dave. Nobody should.


Part 269 – October 3, 2020

@ 1:04:05 But You wouldn't let Your servant know it until the last minute because he is commanded to watch, and I've said many times, “I gotta know when to watch.” And how would I know which was the last message? I’d have to be boxed in to know there’s no way out. “Oh, this has to be the last message,” when I would be sent as an apostle to give it.


Part 410 – December 17, 2022

@ 1:09:33 But, if I am God’s servant, then He’s gonna show me, and we were pretty much outta time. So, that's what happened. It was easy, actually. Surprisingly.


You have said it.


Out of his own mouth, the truth is made known. David C. Pack is NOT God’s servant. Reject that to your own peril. You cannot say you were not warned.



Part 427 – March 7, 2023

@ 46:22 There is no visible path beyond this Sabbath. As I used to say in the past, it seems we did, in fact, back into the last possible date this could be. I certainly know there’s nothing else I can tell you. 


Jesus Christ returning on a Sabbath is very possible. But not THIS Sabbath. The Sabbath is prominent in the Scriptures, and the verses Dave presents are in the Bible. However, since he is disqualified from rightly dividing the word of truth and nobody should fear him nor give him regard, whatever timeline he presents is doomed before it leaves his mouth.


Part 231 – January 21, 2020

 @ 1:14:30 The simplest way for God to tell me the Sabbath to watch is to reveal the Series is complete and He has. It ends today. What was for so long, incredibly complicated, finally and rather suddenly, became utterly simple.


Is it possible for a human being who does not suffer from an acute mental disorder to forget so much of what they have said? It must be either physiological or spiritual. Most likely, it is a symbiosis of both.



Purim 2019. Purim 2023.


The 1335 begins invisibly, ends invisibly, and then begins invisibly again for just one man.


The Sabbath is the only day possible. The Sabbath is impossible until it is possible again.


Identifying David C. Pack as a blaspheming liar is reasonable and accurate. Allow him to answer the matter.


Part 10 – January 9, 2016

@ 1:50:46 If you knew about the First Dominion a couple years ago, how does “shortly, quickly, soon, near, fast, hasty, hit the throttle” apply? God (quite literally) could not tell us, or He would make Himself a liar. And He would’ve confused us and misled us, believing we were on a short clock when we were not.


Part 241 – March 27, 2020

@ 1:16:11 Now, a loving God didn’t let us understand what we were into, or we'd have really understood we got to wait another whole year…


Part 382 – July 16, 2022

@ 1:00:22 Now imagine God, at the very last minute, teaching us what I just explained to you because you can’t do away with the math, letting us believe we had made it and we still had one or more years to go. That would be devastating. That would be soul-crushing to the church.


The foolishness of David C. Pack is spoken behind locked doors. But God allows it to come to light beyond the gates of The Restored Church of God. Why?


Perhaps the words of David C. Pack expose who he is really a servant of.

 Marc Cebrian

See: A Servant Knows

God's Greatest COG Leader In Human History Now Knows How Paul Felt When Those In Asia Turned Away From Him


All of the proud, boastful and vain chest thumping by The Great Bwana to Africa and a handful of Caucasians has now had to put on his martyrdom robes and compare himself to Apostle Paul. The Bob admits he has lost all of his followers in Serbia. 

The Bob writes in his letter to his ever dwindling flock about his small group in Serbia that he has touted for a long time as his faithful followers.


I am saddened to report that we no longer have an elder in Serbia as he and his followers decided to go in a different direction. Here is some of what the elder Skype-messaged me last Friday:

I cannot consider myself any more a part of CCOG … We have learned so much from you … In any case, thank you once again for everything. I remain very thankful to you for all the goodness you have brought to my life. 
When I learned of their departure, it hurt. Now, I better understood how the Apostle Paul felt after he learned “that all those in Asia have turned away from me” (2 Timothy 1:15).

If Paul were alive to day he would kick Bob Thiel to the curb so fast all the wholistic herbs and salves in the universe could never cure the butthurt Bob would feel. 

Paul had this to say about apostate heretics like Bob Thiel and the junk theology and myths they preach:

“…stay there in Ephesus so that you may command certain men not to teach false doctrines any longer nor devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. These promote controversies rather than God’s work–which is by faith. The goal of this command is love, which comes from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith. Some have wandered away from these and turned to meaningless talk. They want to be teachers of the law, but they do not know what they are talking about or what they so confidently affirm.” (1 Tim. 1:3-7
“The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron” (1 Tim. 4:1-2). 
“Be diligent in these matters; give yourself wholly to them, so that everyone may see your progress. Watch you life and doctrine closely. Persevere in them, because if you do, you will save both yourself and your hearers” (1 Tim. 4:15-16). 
“If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain” (1 Tim. 6:3-5). 
“What you heard from me, keep as the pattern of sound teaching, with faith and love in Christ Jesus. Guard the good deposit that was entrusted to you–guard it with the help of the Holy Spirit who lives in us” (2 Tim. 1:13-14). 
“Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. Avoid godless chatter, because those who indulge in it will become more and more ungodly. Their teaching will spread like gangrene. Among them are Hymenaeus and Philetus, who have wandered away from the truth. They say that the resurrection has already taken place, and they destroy the faith of some” (2 Tim. 2:16-18). 

If The Bob spent as much time talking about Jesus as he does Marian mysteries, Catholic prophecies, pagan prophecies, political conspiracies, CERN, Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg, and stopped thumping his vainglorious chest all the time, he might be taken a little more seriously. But, No! Foolish and stupid arguments and myths make up 98% of his ministry leaving little to say in regards to the New Covenant or even that seldom mentioned guy named Jesus.

“Don’t have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. And the Lord’s servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Those who oppose him he must gently instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will” (2 Tim. 2:23-26). 
“They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over weak-willed women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, always learning but never able to acknowledge the truth. Just as Jannes and Jambres oppose the truth–men of depraved minds, who, as fas as the faith is concerned, are rejected” (2 Tim. 3:1-8). 
“In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. But as for you, continue in what you have learned and have become convinced of, because you know those from whom you learned it…” (2 Tim. 3:12-14). 
“Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage–with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. But you, keep you head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry” (2 Tim. 4:2-5). 
Elders “must hold firmly to the trustworthy message as it has been taught, so that he can encourage others by sound doctrine and refute those who oppose it. For there are many rebellious people, mere talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision group. They must be silenced, because they are ruining whole households by teaching things they ought not to teach–and that for the sake of dishonest gain” (Titus 1:11). 
“Rebuke them sharply, so that they may be sound in the faith and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the commands of those who reject the truth” (Titus 1:13-14). 
“You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine” (Titus 2:1a).

The Bob then moves quickly on from his disenchanted Serbians and now says he can use the money he was spending on them to buy time on little unknown radio stations to spread his apostasy:

Last week, I mentioned that we were looking at going on some small radio stations in the USA. 
While mourning the loss of our Serbians, it occurred to me that their departure also has freed up funds that we otherwise would have sent to the elder there. 
This brought to mind the following scripture:

For I will turn their mourning to joy … (Jeremiah 31:13)

So much for going after the lost sheep...

Well, before learning of the Serbian departure, we had just signed a signed a one-year contract to be on only some small radio stations in four American cities beginning later in March 2023. While we still mourn the Serbian departure, freeing up of funds normally sent for them has resulted in our ability to increase our planned radio presence. So, we amended the radio contract on Monday and now are to go on 12 stations in eight cities across the USA.