Friday, December 13, 2024

The Cosmos as Seen by the Ancients: Armstrongism in Contention with the Cosmology of Genesis

A Hebrew Cosmology (Fair Use)

The Cosmos as Seen by the Ancients:

Armstrongism in Contention with the Cosmology of Genesis

By Scout

 

“Why haven't scientists compared the record of Genesis with the facts of geology? NEVER has there been an age like this one. An avalanche of scientific information is pouring down upon specialist and layman alike. No one is able to keep up with the torrent of new knowledge. But is man the wiser for all this new knowledge? Are the latest conclusions of geology, of archaeology, or history any nearer the truth? Or are we being crushed by the sheer weight of new ignorance new superstitions, this time garbed in the respectable clothes of Scientific Knowledge?”  - Herman L. Hoeh, “Genesis vs. Geology,” Plain Truth Magazine, July 1966.

 

When I was a kid, if found the first chapter of Genesis to be very confusing. The discussion it contained of “waters” and “firmaments” seemed odd.  This is because the Ancient Cosmological Model (ACM) used by the author of the first chapter of Genesis does not comport with what we know of the Cosmos today.  It is, rather, an ancient model that had currency in the Middle East at the time of the composition of Genesis.  A version of this same model entered the Greco-Roman world. Herman Hoeh’s anti-science statement above is not an apologetic for this scriptural ACM.  Rather, in his comprehensive article on Genesis, cited, he provides an alternative explanation for the events of Genesis.  Hoeh omits any reference to the ACM.   Why the omission?  We can only conjecture on this.  Since Hoeh overlooks the critical data concerning ACM, his exegesis is then rendered incomplete and inaccurate.

This essay will make the case that Genesis uses the ACM.  Hoeh did not admit this fact or address it that I can find in my research.  And how does the use of the ACM affect the validity of the Bible? 

The Ancient Cosmological Model

In ancient Semitic cosmology, the Cosmos looked a lot different than it does to us. They believed in a Three Story Universe: Heaven, Earth and the Underworld. We have the modern science of astronomy and they, back then, did not. They envisioned the sky as a ceiling of solid material. Apparently, they thought it was transparent because they believed that the ceiling (firmament) held back water and the water is what made the sky blue. They also believed there were windows or floodgates in this ceiling that permitted water to come down out of the sky.  They also believed that the ceiling was not that far away, hence, the attempt to reach it by building a tower. And above the vault of heaven, above the waters, was where the Throne of God was located.

So, to these ancient people, the Universe was shaped like a big plate with a bowl inverted over the top of it. The plate was the Middle Story or the earth. The bowl was the Top Story which is the vault of heaven and beneath the plate was the Bottom Story or the underworld which also held water. And there was empirical evidence that supported this view. The ancients could see the circle of the horizon. Rain fell out of the sky.  And if you dug into the ground deep enough you found water. This ACM is what was described in the Book of Genesis.

In Source Criticism, the description in Genesis 1 is attributed to the Priesthood. I think they were the educated class in ancient Israel.  At its origin this concept may have been provided by Moses and only curated by the Priesthood.  No doubt, Moses, educated in Egypt, was familiar with the ACM.  So, it is not surprising that their view of Genesis was pretty much what was found broadly in the Middle East.

An interesting statement of this history is found in the following video by The Bible Project:


Hoeh’s Omission

Herman Hoeh posited a different idea entirely about Genesis 1.  This was the idea that the creation took place billions of years before Genesis 1 and then a great destruction occurred.  And the “Creation Week” was not that at all.  In the Hoeh cosmogony, it was more of a “Housekeeping Week.” It was a clearing of the chaotic environment surrounding the earth, already created, to some depth in space.  While this theory can be made to fit some parts of Genesis 1, what Hoeh does not do in his theory is account for all the Genesis data.  We have the following on the Second Day:

“And God said, ‘Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.’  And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.  And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.  And God said, ‘Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear’: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called the Seas: and God saw that it was good. (KJV, Genesis 1:6-9).”

First, this is a creation activity not a housekeeping activity.  Next, this description from the KJV corresponds to the ACM.  In this model, God creates heaven and this separates two great oceans.  One in the Top Story and one in the Middle Story.  Then God exposes land in the Middle Story by concentrating the waters in certain locations.  At other places in scripture, we find “The Pillars of the Earth” and “The Fountain of the Deep” that also fit with the ACM.  

But the publications of the Worldwide Church of God (WCG) nowhere address this important data in Genesis 1:6-9 that I have been able to find.  The term “firmament” does not appear often in WCG publications and it does not appear in Hoeh’s article cited above at all.  Hoeh writes of the clearing of the Earth and its celestial environment but does not write of the direct connection of Genesis to the ACM.  He is in contention with scripture but it is subtle rather than explicit.  He simply does not exegete Genesis 1:6-9.  My guess is that Hoeh knew that the ACM was an ancient theory about the organization of the Cosmos and that it did not agree with modern scientific findings. There is no great ocean of water being contained behind the vault of heaven.  The earth is not a disc and the sky a half-dome.  And the world does not float on the waters of the Great Deep.  But, perhaps, it was easier to let sleeping dogs lie. 

The Impact on the Validity of the Bible 

One reason Hoeh may have ignored a direct reference to the ACM is that it connects the Bible to a model of the Cosmos that ancient peoples believed in but which science has demonstrated to be incorrect.  In Genesis 1:1 there is even a description that corresponds to the Primordial Chaos of ancient Semitic cosmology.  The Bible, however, presents the creation event in stark abstraction (q.v., Jewish Study Bible) that does not portray the drama found in Semitic cosmology.  But should the use of the ACM lead us to invalidate the Bible?

It is important to recognize that the Bible spoke to people in terms that they recognized. You could not write a treatise on modern quantum mechanics and expect the readers at that time to understand it without some preparation in modern physics.   For that matter, we probably could not now understand a treatise on the Cosmos written a couple of thousand years in the future. What was to the Ancients state-of-the-art cosmology has perforce become to us now allegory. This ancient view has staying power throughout this transition from cosmology to allegory because the spiritual principles carry forward and have not changed. I have no doubt that when the Priesthood wrote or redacted this physical description of the Cosmos, they actually believed their view was realistic and accurate. It was based on the astrophysics of their day.  Their hard science now serves us as poetry and allegory.

Summation

The fact that the Bible contains the Ancient Cosmological Model does not make the Bible antique or irrelevant. Genesis is not in contention with geology. Only certain interpretations are in contention with geology.  The Bible is foremost a work of theology – a work of spiritual principle.  These spiritual principles may be carried in a physical framework that is subject to revision as human knowledge grows.  Even now we are people who only know the “observable” universe.  Much is yet to be revealed. To avoid the constraint of the growth in human knowledge, the Bible would have to become totally abstract.   Instead, it is a book of an ancient people and their behaviors in their time and place, yet comprehensible to us based on our lived experience.

The Mystical Light Of The Great Bwana That Was Not Normal


The kind of cultic nonsense you will read below is not normal for the average Christian believer. No one's faith depends upon a Great White Bwana as a leader in the dreams and visions of deluded people or wild, fantastical prophecies and utter pseudo-Christian balderdash.

I am sure the follower in the below quote, from the improperly named "continuing" church of "god" blog,  is a very sincere man, but placing one's trust in such a spiritually bankrupt man and that elevates him into an almost mythical persona, is NOT normal. It is appalling. 

Dear pastor

Greetings pastor.  I believe you are doing good though you are having great thrust of fulfilling Matthew 28:19 of which we must do before the return of Christ. …

I had two dreams

1. Before our family joined CCOG my father was then working with voice in the Wilderness Church of God. When I was sleeping I had a dream and in my dream I saw a light and the light was not normal, the one who was standing by the was You pastor Bob according to my dream. Then I had voice shouting, “Arise you who are sleeping, for the Lord is near.” I again I heard another voice shouting, “Come up Evans and let us do the work we are called to do.” I then saw a man dressed in white clothes join hands with my father walking together towards a very big lake then I woke up.

2: In my second dream some weeks after my first dream and in my second dream I saw almost the same dream and now this was in New Zealand. I did not know about the CCOG group in New Zealand before I had the dream.

Fred


 

Thursday, December 12, 2024

COG Myth 3,789: Christmas is Pagan

 

Naked Bible 195: Is Christmas a Pagan Holiday?

There is much discussion online at this time of year as to the presumed pagan origins of Christmas. December 25, we are told, was a date stolen from pagan worship, specifically from the festival of the “Birth of the Unconquered Sun” (Sol Invictus)? Should Christians have Christmas trees? Aren’t trees pagan objects of worship? How should Christians think about, and respond to, such questions? Do these questions have any relationship to the content of Scripture? Listen to find out.

Links and sources:

William Tighe, “Calculating Christmas: The Story Behind Dec 25” Touchstone Magazine (December, 2003)

Thomas J. Talley, The Origins of the Liturgical Year (The Liturgical Press, 1991)

Aaron Gleason, “How Christmas Baptizes Norse Mythology into Powerful Christian Archetypes,” The Federalist (December 15, 2017)

Origin of the names of the Days

Jewish month names from Babylon

Mission Impossible: No really, Mission IMPOSSIBLE.

 


...as well as inarguable and cannot be questioned! Just try to argue with it. You can't!

This compilation leaves me personally asking

"What the hell is wrong with this man?"

religious delusion is defined as a delusion, or fixed belief not amenable to change in light of conflicting evidence, involving religious themes or subject matter. Religious faith, meanwhile, is defined as a belief in a religious doctrine or higher power in the absence of evidence.



Although many researchers have brought evidence for a positive role that religion plays in health, others have shown that religious practices and experiences may be linked to mental illnesses of various kinds (mood disorderspersonality disorderspsychiatric disorders). In 2011, a team of psychiatristsbehavioral psychologistsneurologists and neuropsychiatrists from the Harvard Medical School published research that suggested the development of a new diagnostic category of psychiatric disorders related to religious delusion and hyper-religiosity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_delusion



Tuesday, December 10, 2024

"Decking the Halls" With God's Greatest COG Leader In The History of Humanity

 


This podcast episode discusses Bob Thiel's article challenging the traditional image of St. Nicholas. Thiel, an Armstrongist minister, argues that the popular Santa Claus figure significantly differs from the historical St. Nicholas, whom he portrays as a flawed and possibly unsaintly individual. His arguments draw on historical accounts and interpretations of scripture, contrasting with both common perceptions and mainstream Christian theology, especially regarding the Trinity and the veneration of saints. The podcast hosts challenge Thiel's research while emphasizing the need for critical analysis of his perspective, given his unique theological viewpoint and potentially biased source selection. Ultimately, the discussion prompts reflection on the evolution of Christian traditions and the importance of nuanced historical interpretation. Ai-COG

Jon Brisby Gets Investigated Over His Requirements For Baptism

 

This podcast episode examines the conflicting views on baptism within the "Church of God the Eternal", a group stemming from Herbert W. Armstrong's teachings. John W. Brisby, a minister in a splinter group, establishes three rigid criteria for valid baptism, emphasizing lineage to Armstrong and adherence to specific doctrines. However, Brisby's criteria contradict Armstrong's own baptism, leading to a discussion of religious authority and the problematic nature of establishing exclusive truth claims. 
The podcast encourages critical thinking about religious legitimacy and the importance of independent spiritual exploration.

PCG: Hidden Dangers in Keeping Christmas. Gets investigated in a Deep Dive.

 

This podcast episode analyzes Gerald Flurry's controversial views on Christmas. Gerald is the leader of the Philadelphia Church of God. Flurry, rooted in Armstrongism, argues that Christmas is inherently pagan due to its traditions' origins, claiming they stem from the worship of Babylonian deities. He asserts that celebrating Christmas is unchristian and leads to spiritual harm, citing the secularization of the holiday and potential childhood disillusionment. However, the podcast counters these claims by presenting historical evidence showing that many Christmas traditions, like the Christmas tree, have Christian roots or were adapted from other biblical practices, and that the Bible doesn't explicitly forbid such celebrations. Ultimately, the podcast encourages critical thinking and independent evaluation of Flurry's extreme perspective. Ai-COG

Monday, December 9, 2024

Commercial Break: And Now a Word About Christmas from the Elijah to Come-David C Pack (Mr Passover to you)

  Stars are Evil 

 

Dave Pack: Preserver of Fringe Theology and the Age of Cosmological Ignorance. 

Note: Moloch, Remphan and Chemosh do not actually exist. Saturn and Venus, on the other hand....

 

"I'm gonna tell you some fascinating things no one has ever understood and I am sure of it!"

David C Pack

 

 “I know more about Christmas than anybody who’s ever lived. Period.”

 “I I maybe there’s somebody who knows more about [Christmas] than I do,

BONUS FOOLISHNESS

 “I’ve studied prophecy, I am sure, by far, more than anybody who ever lived.”

"I know prophecy better than any man alive."

“Look, maybe there’re people who know New Testament Church history better than I, but I but I I’ll bet there aren’t three in the last two thousand years,

but I doubt it.”

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Stars ain't all that bad Dave...



When the morning stars sang together and all the sons of God shouted for joy?


Saying, “Where is he who has been born king of the Jews? For we saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him.”


In his right hand he held seven stars, from his mouth came a sharp two-edged sword, and his face was like the sun shining in full strength.


As for the mystery of the seven stars that you saw in my right hand, and the seven golden lampstands, the seven stars are the angels of the seven churches, and the seven lampstands are the seven churches.


And a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.


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MY CHRISTMAS MESSAGE TO DAVE

 

"I know astro-theology like no Dave Pack ever could"  :)





“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”

 


NOTE: Lucifer, "the light bringer" also is given this title in scripture. It is the source of the idea that Jesus and Lucifer were brothers. Kinda like the good Horus (God of light) and the bad Set (God of Darkness) of Egyptian mythology. 

 

 Isaiah 14:12:

“How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! 

 

NOTE: The story of the fall of Lucifer, the light (Sun) bringer, is simply the phenomenon, not understood back in the day when stars were spirits and Venus, as an inner planet rose and then "fell back to earth." made a great story explaining their world. 

 

This rise and fall of Venus, especially in the morning prior to sunrise,  is due to it being an inner planet. This phenomenon was the source of many a rich tale in antiquity. 

 

 

Anyway...Merry Christmas from the world's greatest mind and expert on Christmas.

 

David C Pack

 

(And please don't forget that Jesus, for sure and it cannot be argued, returns next week on December 16th at 9:37 EST.

 

Unfortunately I have to work so I won't be available :)