The Banner of Truth
Christ speaks of two men, one in the city of Jerusalem, like an olive branch on the rooftop, for the Feast of Tabernacles.The other is in the field, separated, but repents in time to ESCAPE, for Christ tells him NOT TO RETURN to grab his clothing.It shows the people gathering together in Jerusalem, in the fall festival season!Now we come to Ezra 9-10. It is talking about the body of Christ. Some have joined themselves to “strange women” or other churches! They call themselves the Church of God, yet are joined to other churches! They are fence riding!Those who make the separation in obedience to God, away from these groups, will escape the tribulation by coming to Jerusalem! Because obedience matters to them! They love God and Love His Truth! God is priority!!!!Are you obedient? Do you love God brethren? Or does assembling with “another church” outweigh your obedience to God?Will that red soup taste good later on when it’s gone?In Ezra 10, we read about the council of the Lord, and the council of the elders.Aaron Dean is the last member of the Adisory Council of Elders, established through obedience and by the name and authority of Jesus Christ , through the apostle of Jesus Christ!He is the duly appointed!I’m going to Jerusalem, this fall season, with other members of the Worldwide Church of God, to stand up and support God in obedience, to lift up the banner of truth, and to support and lift up the Philadelphia candlestick! To fetch the olive branches!I had hoped there would be more brethren coming, but by the mouth of two or more witnesses the matter is established.Mr Dean would be in the field, then, but like a branch plucked from the fire!I don’t see anyone else saying these things brethren! No one else is fighting and going through the pain thraws of birthing a restoration of the Worldwide Church of God! They all want to build up their separate group! But we must be obedient to God. And BELIEVE WHAT HE SAYS IN HIS WORD!Do you believe?
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Comment was made saying: "...I’m going to Jerusalem, this fall season, with other members of the Worldwide Church of God, to stand up and support God in obedience, to lift up the banner of truth, and to support and lift up the Philadelphia candlestick! To fetch the olive branches!
I had hoped there would be more brethren coming, but by the mouth of two or more witnesses the matter is established.
Mr Dean would be in the field, then, but like a branch plucked from the fire!
I don’t see anyone else saying these things brethren! No one else is fighting and going through the pain thraws of birthing a restoration of the Worldwide Church of God! They all want to build up their separate group! But we must be obedient to God. And BELIEVE WHAT HE SAYS IN HIS WORD!
Do you believe?..."
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Who is going to be in Jerusalem, which is spiritually to be called Sodom and Egypt (Rev 11:8)?
Taking scriptures and putting them together here a little, and there a little (which we learned to do via WCG/HWA), may result in what? A bunch of false prophecies, causing one to: "...fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken."
Jeremiah mentioned those who prophesied false dreams:
"Behold, I [am] against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the LORD, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the LORD." Jer 23:32
To believe or not to believe: that may be a question. How does that “believe” come?
As far as the words of the Bible are concerned: "And what [is] the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power," Eph 1:19
But to believe Samuel's words? How much shall anyone profit by any belief in Samuel’s words/thoughts?
Time will tell...
John
Well now. How many other of the I, me, my people have we watched delude themselves, inserting themselves into end times prophecy, instead of simply leaving it up to God to work out? But, some people insist that they just have to be the Elvis of Armstrongism!
If you wake up one morning, go into the bathroom to take care of your three "S"es, and as you are looking into the mirror while shaving, you exhale and are shocked to find that you are breathing fire, and the mirror has just cracked, congratulations! You gonna be one of the two witnesses! Anything else is faked, imaginary, and total bullshit! Cue "Insane in the Membrane"
Nehemiah 8:1
“And all the people gathered themselves together…”
The people stood up in Jerusalem for an important reason. Much like the stand-ins of the 1979 receivership, those who valued what belongs to God stood up and fought and defended it!
What is wrong is doing that, if I may call myself a Christian and a member of the Church?
If you read the scriptures concerning what Jesus Christ Himself preached about His return, you see how he REFERRED to Nehemiah and Ezra, many of times.
Matthew 24:15-18
“When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
“Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
“Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
“Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.”
In Nehemiah 8 we read about “olive branches” being fetched from the Mount of olives and the people sat under them while observing the Feast of Booths/Tabernacles.
Now we can look over to Zechariah 4, and read how the two witnesses are called two olive branches, and also in Revelation 11:3.
But standing up in Jerusalem, has been no claim to be one of the two witnesses!
It is true the two witnesses are called “two candlesticks”, and in Revelation 1:20, candlesticks is merely a symbol of the Church of God.
Back in Zechariah 4, we see a picture of a candlestick, with two anointed ones feeding it the golden oil, and when asked what it is about, the angel tells Zechariah “this is the word of the Lord unto Zerubbabel”.
Through whom did Jesus Christ raise up the Worldwide Church of God? Herbert W Armstrong. That’s the answer and matter of record. I did not raise up the Worldwide Church of God! I was not used to establish the foundations of it!
But I have been highlighting the foundations of it, and am bringing attention to the builder and maker who is God through Jesus Christ, who also is chief and the cornerstone!
In Zechariah the candlestick is called the Temple! It was raised up through a man who was not sinless, but nevertheless forgiven of sin and used by God! And in the new testament the Church of God is also called a Temple, and the Temple whom Jesus Christ meets at His return!
Now, genuinely believing the Word of God for what God says in it, hurts no one. We are not going around FORCING AND trying to convert the masses. Those who are still here are here voluntarily.
There isn’t anything else than God’s Holy Spirit keeping us here and leading us.
I think to some, hearing Aaron Dean is the last remaining member of the Advisory Council of Elders, scares them.
Imagine, spending time, sweat and money to dismantle a church you didn’t like, just for it to stand back up like the apostle Paul after being murdered and begin its journey into the city! This is not a human organization. It is not an institution of men. Its creator is God, and our head is Jesus Christ! After 40 years, after the death of Mr Armstrong, we are still around, and gaining momentum in spite of all the odds against us,
The smoke screen against us are these cog groups. It really has gotten the lot of you focused on the results of attacking this church, so you can be entertained and you can laugh at and mock us. So you draw attention to every break away, in order to keep division pressurized against the Worldwide Church of God.
It really is a systematic deprogramming program that we are seeing with the cog groups, and you being the observers to report some data.
Some say dead men tell no tales. Some say the dead rise up. And boy do we have a report to talk on!
How many times must we point out to Samuel that God's church isn't a physical organization. Rather it's made up of those who follow Christ.
Samuel is like Catholics who believe that the Vatican is the true church. And he's moving to Jerusalem, just as will the False Prophet. Hmm.
Matthew 12:48 He replied to him, “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49 Pointing to his disciples, he said, “Here are my mother and my brothers. 50 For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother.”
I must be one of the few who shares the same perspective as Mr Armstrong who wrote: “Actually the Worldwide Church of God is a spiritual organism, created by GOD — not a legal corporate organization created by this world's laws.”
You, a nobody, keep gaslighting everyone you meet with the sentiment that the “Worldwide Church of God is a physical organization”. That is the opposite of what Herbert W Armstrong believed, and those of us in the Body of Christ believe!
If you want to talk about how we should be organized, we are organized spiritually by the Spirit of God! The Church of God is organized(bound in heaven and earth) through the apostle, into what now known as the Worldwide Church of God!
Every other cog group, minister or member that left us, had zero authority to ORGANIZE into a different group.
The UCG organized through a meeting of the regional pastor structure that was established in 1993 by Joe Jr and Victor Kubik! That was in disobedience to the directing made by the apostle, and was one of the apostate ideas that divided the church and pushed people out!
What if the regional structure was never made? Changes would have been harder to make, and the ministry would have been forced to deal with the apostates! They would have filled Pasadena with members, and forced recollection of God’s property!
It would have been overwhelmingly in the favor of the Worldwide Church of God against these who wanted to be “transformed” like some transvestite!
Oh, Sam! (@ 10:37) That HWA quote is either from an earlier version of HWA's paradigms, or he's speaking from both sides of his mouth. Don't you remember the term "corporation sole"? That is how he and his lawyers set up the WCG as he left Pasadena for Tucson, AZ during the receivership era so he could escape accountability for his gross financial misdeeds.
And then, of course, he ended up escaping that accountability because then CA Governor George Deukmejian was persuaded to intervene for him, leaving the many issues of fiduciary malfeasance exposed but never resolved. In the end the HWA sham was covered up by another sham! And, HWA died with the most toys, and won! Left everybody else with a horrible mess to sort out. What a scoundrel you support!
I really wish you could actually get out of the quicksand and get a life! I hope you are not incorrigible like some of the others we discuss here!
What if the regional structure was never made? Changes would have been harder to make, and the ministry would have been forced to deal with the apostates! They would have filled Pasadena with members, and forced recollection of God’s property!
If the Worldwide Church of God is not a physical organization, how can it hold physical property? Looks like Samuel hasn't thought this through very well.
Do a quick google search. “Can a church hold property without incorporation?”
That’s why you answer anonymously, because then people would know who said such stupid things.
I tend think, and chuckle at the thought, that Gary Leanard(NO2HWA) is really every anonymous commenter here. Just one dude, replying. How funny is that!
Gary! -SpongeBob
You obviously don’t remember 1977 and the total heart failure Herbert W Armstrong had, and why he ended up in Tuscon, Arizona. That’s right, you were probably watching the news reports on Elvis dying that August.
Gross financial misdeeds? What a bunch of manure! They were audited, and the state found no misconduct. The State even was burning through the church accounts and money trying to destroy any financial future for the Worldwide Church of God! The state mishandled the money of church members! It’s a matter of record!
Did you take your stupid pills this morning? I didn’t. lol
“Died with most toys”??? What are you Peewee Herman? You want some toys little fella? He didn’t have anything to his name! Hahaha everything belonged to the church and those of the church were HAPPY WITH HOW HE RAN THING! Oh I’ve talked to many of the church and I don’t know….Gary. These ideas you have, and some others have…do you hear them when talking to the rubber wall in your room?
Mr Armstrong died 92 years old. Those who had crappy diapers needed to learn to clean themselves up! They didn’t need him. He didn’t crap in their pants. It wasn’t his. So nature took its course.
The problems were those who disobeyed. They didn’t get the “toys”! lol boo hoo. You lost it because of your attitude. I have a life. I’m not whining like a baby over toys you didn’t get and things that happened 40 years ago! Your story is all
Mcfuzzled! It’s time to see beyond the French fries!
Gary didn't write that 10:49 anonymous comment that set you off, Sam. I did. But, now we know who has been making all the anonymous comments claiming that Gary makes all the anonymous comments here.
Why are you trying to revive something that God had to divide and confuse and destroy because of the horrible sex sins of its founders?
And, what are you even doing commenting on a blog during the sabbath?
"He didn’t have anything to his name! Hahaha everything belonged to the church."
Samuel, at the most fundamental level, ownership is consumption. HWA lived in a mansion, used silver and gold dinnerware, was chauffeured in a Rolls-Royce, used private jets, stayed in five star hotels etc. That these weren't legally in his name meant diddly-squat. Such guile is typical of the man.
"Gary didn't write that 10:49 anonymous comment that set you off, Sam. I did. But, now we know who has been making all the anonymous comments claiming that Gary makes all the anonymous comments here."
He fails to realize I rarely respond to comments here. Samuel is not our regular accuser here. That is another antisemitic, misogynistic, homophobe that tries to post here. That guy is probably a perpetual bachelor still trying to date women who don't want to be near him.
I only comment using my name. I’m never anonymous. I haven’t paid much attention to other comments, but hey I do get tired of people playing cowardish games. If you have something worthwhile and genuine to say, stake your name to it.
I'm not saying that this was HWA's intention, but there are actually criminals who make their riches untouchable, therefore unseizable, by using shell companies, charities, even by starting churches. There are instructional books that have been written on this.
Insofar as HWA is concerned, who wanted the Rolls, the jets, the mansions, the silver and gold table ware? Who had the authority to make the purchases? Who was permitted to utilize and enjoy them? He may not have "had" them in the sense of holding title to them, but he had them for his exclusive use, or for his designated guests to use via his permission or invitation. If others, from misguided reverence, were furtively purchasing these things for him, he certainly did not decline these things or correct his followers for providing them! Seems like he had a dose of the character flaws of Gehazi! Widows on food stamps were part of the collective which financed his opulent lifestyle! And, the dude was a chronic alcoholic whom his son and grandson frequently had to carry to his bed! I am sure they would not lie about such a thing! He could have chosen a modest, temperate lifestyle, dedicating himself to fulfilling his hunger to get the work done, but instead set a trend which many televangelists have followed until it became a literal stereotype!
Before the era of the megachurch, community churches throughout America had living quarters for the minister and his family on the church grounds. The Protestants called them parsonages. The Catholic priests did not marry, so had no wives or children, but had living quarters within the church. I do not know what sort of living arrangements Rabbis have, but am sure they are equally modest. This set a certain tone. Show me a clergyman who lives in opulence, and I will tell you exactly where his heart is! They have forgotten the metaphor of the camel and the eye of the needle!
Who's fooled by this Samuel Kitchen repeated agenda? A younger man allegedly obsessed with the WCG last years of HWA life, which are the only Aaron Dean years of being with HWA. Doesn't make sense. Supposed to have a life goal for pushing forward man worshipping of Aaron Dean as ultimate leader of all COG's?
Why? Who's paying whom for this job? Yet Dean remains silent.
I'd remain silent, too, 10:53! Even people in an ACOG can tell when there is just something wrong with someone. Making a positive or a negative comment acknowledges, and encourages someone who should be ignored!
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