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So why is this here? Are we supposed to be impressed about people who are of this world? Sure the man may love his son, but his son is obviously suffering because of the sins of his parents or their parents. It also could be a demon, so I see noting to be applauding here. They have turned their back on the TRUE God just as all of you here have. God is not mocked and you will soon be paying the piper for your hate site.
So why is this here? Are we supposed to be impressed about people who are of this world? Sure the man may love his son, but his son is obviously suffering because of the sins of his parents or their parents. It also could be a demon, so I see noting to be applauding here. They have turned their back on the TRUE God just as all of you here have. God is not mocked and you will soon be paying the piper for your hate site.
So why are you here, anon? You got a hankerin' fer some mockerin'?
Annon #1 You are a fool of the highest degree. Post your real name. I'd love to be in touch with you. If that's a serious comment, you are a more ignorant and god haunted excuse for a human being than most.
When my brother was born 3 months premature at a pound and a half, the hospital poured on the oxygen which effectively destroyed his retinas, small ear bones and as a result can not and never has seen, spoken or heard anything.
The Presbyterian minister at the time inferred to my parents that the reason my brother came into this world this way and had these problems was because it was OBVIOUS my parents had sinned in some way. I suppose fornication , even though he was the third child in the marriage.
My mom bought into that. That's what one did back then. Dad did not. This is why I undertand that it's not just WCG ministers or members capable of saying and believing the most unbelievably stupid things and relate it to God, Jesus, the Bible and the deep blue sea.
The hospital did it and it was the time before they figured out that oxygen also needs nitrogen in it or the retinas are destroyed etc.
Certainly your God did not intervene for them in any way. When I was ordained a local elder way back as a puppy, the first human I 'anointed..and the sick shall be made well...' was my brother. It was funny. I was curious to see if God was waiting for me to be able to do this and then heal him. Of course, that was not to be and the look my brother gave me as I prayed the prayer of faith and did the James 5:14 thing was priceless. It was the the WTF look only two brothers could share.
You have helped me to see where my mistake was. He is not sick. He is demon possessed by the Demon TooMuch02. When I go home next month, I will cast it out and let you know if the deaf hear, the blind see and the family now leaps like a hart.
If I tell my 96 year old dad what you said and how you process your god-experience, he'd prolly beat the shit out of you, in love though because he is a really nice guy.
I was going to delete Anon1's comments, but now have decided to leave them up for all the world to see what Armstrongism does to the human mind and heart.
PS At 18 I had been accepted to another seminary in NY but made the choice to go to the WCG "Seminary" as I thought it was with all it's amazing theologians and professors. Its views seemed more accurate with the Bible and they addressed issues my Presbyterian background did not.
Bible god called me to WCG so I was thankful I had not made the mistake of picking the wrong one, Roberts Wesleyan College or Calvin College in NY and Mich.
Whew..close call there.
Alas, Flip flop Jesus worked another miracle undoing the last one and the rest is history.
You are a perfect example of a good armstrongite, quick to judge, slow to sympathy, and quite frankly, a pathetic excuse for a human being.
As for paying the piper for this and other "hate sites"?
I've been free of Armstrongism since April of 2010. I've been an Atheist since Feb of 2011. During this time, I've written numerous scathing articles attacking armstrongism, their backward beliefs, and their myriad moron followers just like you.
And during this time, I've been promoted twice at work, received a total of 3 raises (will get a 4th in December) not to mention, having kept my job in a down economy, and more specifically, in a state with higher unemployment than most of America.
I have had people tell me that I was "instrumental" in freeing them from Armstrongism, and in one case, in making the case against god. I am the closest thing to an enemy of your cult and your god, and yet, my life has only dramatically improved for it.
On two occasions now, I have found myself outside during a thunderstorm, and on both occasions, I have (jokingly) challenged any "god" to strike me down for my apostacy. Once was during a quick dash from my vehicle to a house - nothing happened. The second time, I was being absurdly stupid, standing on a beach in a thunderstorm with a metal tripod (I'm a photographer) to get shots of lightning over the ocean. Your all-powerful deity could not even spare a bolt for me, an easy target on an empty beach. Me, admitted antichrist, enemy of the church, actively working to get people to turn away from your precious god.
There is no piper to be paid. You are living in a dream world, where "demons" and "satan" are blamed for the bad, "god" gets credit for the good, and where hateful, closed minded people like yourself think they'll be calling the shots one day.
I totally understand your comments and frustration. As far as being an "Atheist" - If by this comment you mean anti-theist with respect to the god of the bible, I can understand and somewhat agree.
However, if you mean there is no creator or "source" of all that exists, I disagree. If we can learn to disconnect the concept of the god of the bible with the "source" of all that exists, we may be able to understand the purpose of man's use of the word god.
As time goes on I realize more and more that the "source" of all that exists is not the god of the bible. I realize the god of the bible is man's feeble attempt to explain that "source" and make god in man's image as a means of control.
I do not claim to understand all there is to this subject. I too have separated myself from the COG thinking as it was for nearly 40 years. However, I will not stop my forward direction in trying to understand. I feel like I did in my early years of elementary school, just beginning to see the vastness of all ahead of me. I want to learn as much as I can with the time I have left (using logic and reason of course) but realizing there is much more than I can possibly understand in this life.
That "source" is the "force" that keeps things going in this universe. May the "force" be with you.
Homer, by Atheist, I mean to say: I do not believe in the existence of a divine, intelligence that is responsible for the creation of the universe. When it comes to “Anti-theist”, it is not that I am opposed to the possibility of such an “source” - I simply do not believe that one exists. I am of course deeply opposed to the man-made gods of the Bible (and Book of Mormon) and the Qu’ran, as well as any other such “deity” who impedes the development of our species.
I, too, have seen nothing but improvement in my life and circumstances ever since I cut myself loose from the blindness and deception of Armstrongism and later, religion in general.
Theism answers nothing about origins. Those answers lie in ever expanding reseach into quantum physics and related subjects. I regret that I'm getting too old to see much more of those enlightening discoveries, but what I have seen so far has only served to unwed me even further from the ignorance of faith and theistic delusion.
I've had my fill of Moseses, Isaiahs, Jesuses, Pauls, Mohameds, Joseph Smiths, Armstrongs, L. Ron Hubbards, etc., etc., ad nauseum.
I don't care what you deceived reprobates think about me.
I know for a fact that you are blasphemers here under the influence of the god of this world. You are Legion and you are many!
Your maligning of God's Apostle and those who have trained at his feet is appalling and sickening.
God's truth does not reside out side what Mr. Armstrong taught.
This man and his son are not TRUE Christians and do not deserve any sympathy.
As for the atheists here you are part of the bottom feeders of society bent on destroying the truth of God. The good news is that you will fail! You are deservedly destined to the lake of fire.
"The good news is that you will fail! You are deservedly destined to the lake of fire."
Wow! I love the fact that this cultist doesnt beat around the false pretense bush: "I'll be praying for you" or "God will give you a second chance" or some other rosy armstrongite sentiment. No, Anonymous not only wants us to burn, he's itchin' for it! He can't wait for us to get our "deserved" end in the lake of fire. This guy don't play! lol
Why should I be praying for you? God has cast you out. I am not afraid to say God's truth. Chances are you will be in the third resurrection so why waste my time.
Anonymous said... Why should I be praying for you? God has cast you out. I am not afraid to say God's truth. Chances are you will be in the third resurrection so why waste my time.
MY COMMENT: Hey, moron! Just like everything else you learned at the feet of Herbie the false profit...there is no such thing as a third resurrection. It ain't Biblical.
The eyes of the godless are always blinded to the TRUTH! Mr. Armstrong was right that half of the brethren were not converted. Your rebellion has cast you out from God's presence. You deserve what ever the wrath of God is going to bring upon you.
"Your rebellion has cast you out from God's presence."
So which is it, moron?
Actually, neither. I cast myself out of your cult. I did something you're utterly incapable of, I used my brain, thought for myself and confronted my own bias.
Are you not the least bit concerned at the level of wrath your "god" exhibits? Seems like something of a psychopath to me...
The wrath that "my God" exhibits is done out of love. It is a God of mercy that corrects His children. God's ultimate act of love will be the lake of fire where the unrepentant will be put to death so they can no longer suffer. Sin and rebellion make the lives of the unconverted terrible to live with. A just God will not allow them to continue living such lives.
"God's ultimate act of love will be the lake of fire where the unrepentant will be put to death so they can no longer suffer"
Roll this one around your noggin, Anonymous:
Just because we aren't repentent does not mean that we are suffering. As I no longer live "god's way of life" I am now happier than I've ever been. Wouldn't a true "ultimate act of love" be, to instead give those people (who don't choose the genocidal maniacs way of life) their own little corner of the universe and leave them to their own devices? That shouldnt be too tall of an order for an all-powerful deity right? But hey, this is the same loving maniac who supposedly gets his jollies drowning all of humanity, raping virgins, and sending his own "son" to die. It'll be fun!
MY COMMENT: Hey, moron! Just like everything else you learned at the feet of Herbie the false profit...there is no such thing as a third resurrection. It ain't Biblical.
Anonymous said... The eyes of the godless are always blinded to the TRUTH! Mr. Armstrong was right that half of the brethren were not converted. Your rebellion has cast you out from God's presence. You deserve what ever the wrath of God is going to bring upon you.
MY COMMENT: I see you didn't try to prove me wrong about one of many of your false doctrines. Who's the one who's blinded here? Armstrong was the godless, unconverted one. He saw an opportunity to make money in his plagiarism, Judaism, and Catholicism mixed into one, and it worked for him....for a while. He still has many of you duped into thinking he is the best thing going since sliced bread. Guess what? He's dead. Why do you continue to follow a dead man who rebelled against God and the true gospel and will receive his ultimate award for being the lying, greedy, drunken, incestuous pervert that he was. And, he won't come up in a "third" resurrection.
The uncaring, callous and downright hateful attitude expressed by the "Anonymous" poster here towards those who have left his particular brand of Armstrongism is what led, among other issues, to my leaving it behind me. Those who claim to have "Gods love" and then can express this kind of psychotic "kill them all, let god sort them out" blood lust are far too common in the Armstrongist churches I have attended. For an example, Gerald Flurry, in one of his more poignant moments of rage, claimed, about one former member, he would like to "blow his brains out, and then resurrect him and teach him a thing or tow about law."
Sick, twisted; he thought he was being all spiritual and deep, but he was exposing himself for the mentally deranged monster he is. I think this "Anonymous" poster will go far in helping others to see the hotbed of despotism that is Armstrongism.
Why should I be praying for you? God has cast you out. I am not afraid to say God's truth. Chances are you will be in the third resurrection so why waste my time.
AH, you may not be afraid to say God's truth, but you ARE afraid to use your real name evidently .
Truly truly I say unto you, you need to join On and On Anonymous and reveal your real name lest you be found ashamed of the Gospel of Christ...
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So why is this here? Are we supposed to be impressed about people who are of this world? Sure the man may love his son, but his son is obviously suffering because of the sins of his parents or their parents. It also could be a demon, so I see noting to be applauding here. They have turned their back on the TRUE God just as all of you here have. God is not mocked and you will soon be paying the piper for your hate site.
So why is this here? Are we supposed to be impressed about people who are of this world? Sure the man may love his son, but his son is obviously suffering because of the sins of his parents or their parents. It also could be a demon, so I see noting to be applauding here. They have turned their back on the TRUE God just as all of you here have. God is not mocked and you will soon be paying the piper for your hate site.
So why are you here, anon?
You got a hankerin' fer some mockerin'?
Annon #1 You are a fool of the highest degree. Post your real name. I'd love to be in touch with you. If that's a serious comment, you are a more ignorant and god haunted excuse for a human being than most.
To Aholeanonymous'
When my brother was born 3 months premature at a pound and a half, the hospital poured on the oxygen which effectively destroyed his retinas, small ear bones and as a result can not and never has seen, spoken or heard anything.
The Presbyterian minister at the time inferred to my parents that the reason my brother came into this world this way and had these problems was because it was OBVIOUS my parents had sinned in some way. I suppose fornication , even though he was the third child in the marriage.
My mom bought into that. That's what one did back then. Dad did not. This is why I undertand that it's not just WCG ministers or members capable of saying and believing the most unbelievably stupid things and relate it to God, Jesus, the Bible and the deep blue sea.
The hospital did it and it was the time before they figured out that oxygen also needs nitrogen in it or the retinas are destroyed etc.
Certainly your God did not intervene for them in any way. When I was ordained a local elder way back as a puppy, the first human I 'anointed..and the sick shall be made well...' was my brother. It was funny. I was curious to see if God was waiting for me to be able to do this and then heal him. Of course, that was not to be and the look my brother gave me as I prayed the prayer of faith and did the James 5:14 thing was priceless. It was the the WTF look only two brothers could share.
You have helped me to see where my mistake was. He is not sick. He is demon possessed by the Demon TooMuch02. When I go home next month, I will cast it out and let you know if the deaf hear, the blind see and the family now leaps like a hart.
If I tell my 96 year old dad what you said and how you process your god-experience, he'd prolly beat the shit out of you, in love though because he is a really nice guy.
amen
I was going to delete Anon1's comments, but now have decided to leave them up for all the world to see what Armstrongism does to the human mind and heart.
PS At 18 I had been accepted to another seminary in NY but made the choice to go to the WCG "Seminary" as I thought it was with all it's amazing theologians and professors. Its views seemed more accurate with the Bible and they addressed issues my Presbyterian background did not.
Bible god called me to WCG so I was thankful I had not made the mistake of picking the wrong one, Roberts Wesleyan College or Calvin College in NY and Mich.
Whew..close call there.
Alas, Flip flop Jesus worked another miracle undoing the last one and the rest is history.
Anonymous #1:
You are a perfect example of a good armstrongite, quick to judge, slow to sympathy, and quite frankly, a pathetic excuse for a human being.
As for paying the piper for this and other "hate sites"?
I've been free of Armstrongism since April of 2010. I've been an Atheist since Feb of 2011. During this time, I've written numerous scathing articles attacking armstrongism, their backward beliefs, and their myriad moron followers just like you.
And during this time, I've been promoted twice at work, received a total of 3 raises (will get a 4th in December) not to mention, having kept my job in a down economy, and more specifically, in a state with higher unemployment than most of America.
I have had people tell me that I was "instrumental" in freeing them from Armstrongism, and in one case, in making the case against god. I am the closest thing to an enemy of your cult and your god, and yet, my life has only dramatically improved for it.
On two occasions now, I have found myself outside during a thunderstorm, and on both occasions, I have (jokingly) challenged any "god" to strike me down for my apostacy. Once was during a quick dash from my vehicle to a house - nothing happened. The second time, I was being absurdly stupid, standing on a beach in a thunderstorm with a metal tripod (I'm a photographer) to get shots of lightning over the ocean. Your all-powerful deity could not even spare a bolt for me, an easy target on an empty beach. Me, admitted antichrist, enemy of the church, actively working to get people to turn away from your precious god.
There is no piper to be paid. You are living in a dream world, where "demons" and "satan" are blamed for the bad, "god" gets credit for the good, and where hateful, closed minded people like yourself think they'll be calling the shots one day.
What a joke.
A comment for Jace...
I totally understand your comments and frustration. As far as being an "Atheist" - If by this comment you mean anti-theist with respect to the god of the bible, I can understand and somewhat agree.
However, if you mean there is no creator or "source" of all that exists, I disagree. If we can learn to disconnect the concept of the god of the bible with the "source" of all that exists, we may be able to understand the purpose of man's use of the word god.
As time goes on I realize more and more that the "source" of all that exists is not the god of the bible. I realize the god of the bible is man's feeble attempt to explain that "source" and make god in man's image as a means of control.
I do not claim to understand all there is to this subject. I too have separated myself from the COG thinking as it was for nearly 40 years. However, I will not stop my forward direction in trying to understand. I feel like I did in my early years of elementary school, just beginning to see the vastness of all ahead of me. I want to learn as much as I can with the time I have left (using logic and reason of course) but realizing there is much more than I can possibly understand in this life.
That "source" is the "force" that keeps things going in this universe. May the "force" be with you.
Homer..I like how you think!dd
Homer, by Atheist, I mean to say: I do not believe in the existence of a divine, intelligence that is responsible for the creation of the universe. When it comes to “Anti-theist”, it is not that I am opposed to the possibility of such an “source” - I simply do not believe that one exists. I am of course deeply opposed to the man-made gods of the Bible (and Book of Mormon) and the Qu’ran, as well as any other such “deity” who impedes the development of our species.
Best of luck to you in your quest for knowledge!
I, too, have seen nothing but improvement in my life and circumstances ever since I cut myself loose from the blindness and deception of Armstrongism and later, religion in general.
Theism answers nothing about origins. Those answers lie in ever expanding reseach into quantum physics and related subjects. I regret that I'm getting too old to see much more of those enlightening discoveries, but what I have seen so far has only served to unwed me even further from the ignorance of faith and theistic delusion.
I've had my fill of Moseses, Isaiahs, Jesuses, Pauls, Mohameds, Joseph Smiths, Armstrongs, L. Ron Hubbards, etc., etc., ad nauseum.
I don't care what you deceived reprobates think about me.
I know for a fact that you are blasphemers here under the influence of the god of this world. You are Legion and you are many!
Your maligning of God's Apostle and those who have trained at his feet is appalling and sickening.
God's truth does not reside out side what Mr. Armstrong taught.
This man and his son are not TRUE Christians and do not deserve any sympathy.
As for the atheists here you are part of the bottom feeders of society bent on destroying the truth of God. The good news is that you will fail! You are deservedly destined to the lake of fire.
"The good news is that you will fail! You are deservedly destined to the lake of fire."
Wow! I love the fact that this cultist doesnt beat around the false pretense bush: "I'll be praying for you" or "God will give you a second chance" or some other rosy armstrongite sentiment. No, Anonymous not only wants us to burn, he's itchin' for it! He can't wait for us to get our "deserved" end in the lake of fire. This guy don't play! lol
Why should I be praying for you? God has cast you out. I am not afraid to say God's truth. Chances are you will be in the third resurrection so why waste my time.
Anonymous said...
Why should I be praying for you? God has cast you out. I am not afraid to say God's truth. Chances are you will be in the third resurrection so why waste my time.
MY COMMENT: Hey, moron! Just like everything else you learned at the feet of Herbie the false profit...there is no such thing as a third resurrection. It ain't Biblical.
The eyes of the godless are always blinded to the TRUTH! Mr. Armstrong was right that half of the brethren were not converted. Your rebellion has cast you out from God's presence. You deserve what ever the wrath of God is going to bring upon you.
"God has cast you out."
And
"Your rebellion has cast you out from God's presence."
So which is it, moron?
Actually, neither. I cast myself out of your cult. I did something you're utterly incapable of, I used my brain, thought for myself and confronted my own bias.
Are you not the least bit concerned at the level of wrath your "god" exhibits? Seems like something of a psychopath to me...
The wrath that "my God" exhibits is done out of love. It is a God of mercy that corrects His children. God's ultimate act of love will be the lake of fire where the unrepentant will be put to death so they can no longer suffer. Sin and rebellion make the lives of the unconverted terrible to live with. A just God will not allow them to continue living such lives.
God's ultimate act of love will be the lake of fire
Methinks somebody's nuts.
Norm
"Methinks somebody's nuts."
Methinks somebody's correct! ;-)
"God's ultimate act of love will be the lake of fire where the unrepentant will be put to death so they can no longer suffer"
Roll this one around your noggin, Anonymous:
Just because we aren't repentent does not mean that we are suffering. As I no longer live "god's way of life" I am now happier than I've ever been. Wouldn't a true "ultimate act of love" be, to instead give those people (who don't choose the genocidal maniacs way of life) their own little corner of the universe and leave them to their own devices? That shouldnt be too tall of an order for an all-powerful deity right? But hey, this is the same loving maniac who supposedly gets his jollies drowning all of humanity, raping virgins, and sending his own "son" to die. It'll be fun!
One crazy religion...
MY COMMENT: Hey, moron! Just like everything else you learned at the feet of Herbie the false profit...there is no such thing as a third resurrection. It ain't Biblical.
Anonymous said...
The eyes of the godless are always blinded to the TRUTH! Mr. Armstrong was right that half of the brethren were not converted. Your rebellion has cast you out from God's presence. You deserve what ever the wrath of God is going to bring upon you.
MY COMMENT: I see you didn't try to prove me wrong about one of many of your false doctrines. Who's the one who's blinded here? Armstrong was the godless, unconverted one. He saw an opportunity to make money in his plagiarism, Judaism, and Catholicism mixed into one, and it worked for him....for a while. He still has many of you duped into thinking he is the best thing going since sliced bread. Guess what? He's dead. Why do you continue to follow a dead man who rebelled against God and the true gospel and will receive his ultimate award for being the lying, greedy, drunken, incestuous pervert that he was. And, he won't come up in a "third" resurrection.
The uncaring, callous and downright hateful attitude expressed by the "Anonymous" poster here towards those who have left his particular brand of Armstrongism is what led, among other issues, to my leaving it behind me. Those who claim to have "Gods love" and then can express this kind of psychotic "kill them all, let god sort them out" blood lust are far too common in the Armstrongist churches I have attended. For an example, Gerald Flurry, in one of his more poignant moments of rage, claimed, about one former member, he would like to "blow his brains out, and then resurrect him and teach him a thing or tow about law."
Sick, twisted; he thought he was being all spiritual and deep, but he was exposing himself for the mentally deranged monster he is. I think this "Anonymous" poster will go far in helping others to see the hotbed of despotism that is Armstrongism.
Why should I be praying for you? God has cast you out. I am not afraid to say God's truth. Chances are you will be in the third resurrection so why waste my time.
AH, you may not be afraid to say God's truth, but you ARE afraid to use your real name evidently .
Truly truly I say unto you, you need to join On and On Anonymous and reveal your real name lest you be found ashamed of the Gospel of Christ...
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