Presumption Circus
David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God was able to brave his way to the Prophecy Cooking Table without a police escort this past Sabbath to deliver “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 392).”
He got in front of his own failure again, with only minutes to spare.
That poor Headquarters congregation just cannot get a break. Oh, joy…another after-meal Bible study. How they fight the yawns is a testament to their fortitude.
Part 392 was sold initially as a "just in case" message but turned into a little more. The "backstop" of Elul 20 was pitched at the very end, being the last possible chance for anything to happen this year on the Feast of Trumpets.
Keep watching each day until Thursday at sunset. Or don’t. Because the result will be the same as Thursday turns into Friday. I just got chills down my arm.
@ 01:12 We had an extraordinary meeting on Thursday. The Chamber of Commerce and our vendors, and some who were in both, came to what turned out to be a truly wonderful event. It lasted about three hours or so. Well-attended. Probably a good hundred people came. And to say they were impressed is the all-time, you know, understatement, I guess I would say.
Notice he did not call it an “Open House.” I told you they read my articles.
“Well-attended” is a salt-water taffy comment stretched through the Dave Filter with no measurement basis. I could say my party was "well-attended" when only ten people showed up. That is great if you invited twelve. If you invited fifty, you have a scale on which to compare.
His “good hundred” has to be framed with how he perceives that term. Recall my rainbow story. They have the exact number. Dave had the exact number. As Brad showed him, if the number is not impressive, just be vague and give the impression of it being noteworthy.
If it was “well over a hundred,” he would have said that. The insertion of “probably” gives him a lot of wiggle room with the truth so he can intentionally hide in the fog. That is the RCG way.
The Wadsworth Chamber of Commerce has 1,200+ individuals who were eligible for the RCG UnOpen House invite. That number is in addition to the vendors. Now reread his comment with that in context to see if it feels any different.
Very few at Headquarters will ever know the actual numbers, especially if Dave had to squint and include the staff to get “close” to one hundred bodies on the Campus within a 3-hour period.
When Dave historically crows about people "being impressed," the comment enters his ears because the question is posed, like when a woman asks her husband, "Do I look good in this?" What are you going to say? No?
I stood next to Dave when he did this to visitors. "Impressive, right?" "Oh yes, Mr. Pack. Very impressive." I have heard him do this in my presence. Multiply that by him asking twenty people in the same way. Now reread his comment with that in context to see if it feels any different.
To add a bit more color, I received this Disneyland Map handed out to visitors on Thursday.
Note the absence of the houses inside the Campus. The $1.1 million horse barn also did not make the cut. No, it is not to scale for all your architects out there.
Former Wadsworth Mayor Dr. Caesar Carrino attended the UnOpen House and then wrote a glowing letter to Dave, who was tickled pink to read it to the church. It was complimentary, and I do not doubt that gentleman's sincerity.
Dr. Carrino is also a historian and shared an interesting fact when he spoke with Dave.
@ 02:31 He said, “Did you know what this property used to be used for?... This is where the circus came to town. The circus was on this property for years.”
What a softball pitch, Dave. The circus is still on the property. Dr. Carrino returned to the circus of his youth. The members of The Restored Church of God are trapped inside your spiritual circus.
Be dazzled by the RCG spectacle under their big top of prophetic fraud and feel your logic and critical thinking fade away.
[Shout out to my two buddies who pointed this comment out after I did not catch it.]
Near the end of the letter, Dr. Carrino asks Dave an earnest question:
@ 07:02 “Would you consider making the grounds a destination point for people in Wadsworth? Or from anywhere else, for that matter, to see the Eden on earth that has no parallel anywhere around here that I have seen. I think it would be extremely well-attended.”
Dave does not answer that question because we all know it already:
“A cordial hell-no, sir. Good day.”
@ 28:11 I finally, truly, completely understand what it means that "three shepherds also die in one month.” One lunation. 29 days.
I have been hearing Dave “understand” the three shepherds of Zechariah 11 since December 2012. Dave left out all the names of men who carried that title in the past. One of them is now a high school math teacher in Texas. That does not sound prophetic.
@ 29:15 Now, follow me very carefully. I’m gonna break out the month of Elul in a way we’ve never understood it. And it’ll be impossible to argue with.
After the Feast of Trumpets comes and goes, he will make the impossible possible by arguing with himself and that insolent "we." He seems to be doing a lot of that these past few weeks.
@ 32:34 But here is one whole month that now I understand involves a flock being fed at the last before God does anything. There is no other way to read that.
@ 37:09 I kept asking, Could we go past Elul 15?
@ 38:19 So, there’s no way it’s a 15-day Kingdom. And I knew that a week ago when I told you we would probably be looking at next Saturday night. That’s what I thought. So, I thought we were waiting for the 15th [of Elul].
He reverses his own 15-day Kingdom teaching from last week. He also dis-invites Elul 15 (September 11, 2022) as the day RCG receives salvation.
Let the past go, brethren. Last week IS the past, brethren. Do not let past words confuse us, brethren.
David C. Pack tells you everything you need to hear to make a judgment call if he is true or not.
@ 38:30 But I may have presumed something, and I wanna clear that up, and maybe God knew we would‘cause we’re bounding over all kinds of things. Bounding over mountains. And have to sometimes go back and touch up a few details. So, I wanna do that.
Here are “a few details” from one week ago in Part 391 that need some "touch-up."
Part 391 – September 3, 2022
@ 29:53 …and we’re gonna find we’re right on time in a way we could’ve never guessed.
@ 42:00 We’re gonna bring prophecy and history and math together.
@ 1:11:35 Blessed is when salvation comes. And it looks like it’s attached to 15 days before something. I’m pretty sure it’s Trumpets.
@ 1:13:52 There’s no way the [70th] week would start any other day [Elul 15]. If God’s gonna do it on another day, we could never know that. And I’m just gonna say that to you.
Only David C.raptacular Pack can consider delaying the arrival of salvation for the members of RCG as a “touch up a few details” item. But, the people choose to continue to sit and listen. The enablers choose to continue to support and excuse.
The wise Obi-Wan Kenobi once said, “Who’s the more foolish? The fool or the fool who follows him?”
Amen, Ben.
My heart still goes out to the brethren of The Restored Church of God, but I want to ask them, "Why do you continue to put up with this? Your Pastor General continues to admit to the end of the message that he has been presumptuous. What do you make of that?”
If “presumptuous” were a drinking game, you would need to have the ambulance on speed dial.
@ 39:04 Is this a 15-day Kingdom? Is it a 10-day Kingdom?
In the article Seven Times Fraud from August 16, a certain non-prophet/non-psychic wrote:
Either world events happen tomorrow [August 17] to begin the punishment for all of Israel, or Dave digs back into his Bible to find a 30-day count. Then a 20-day count. Then a 10-day count. Then a 7-day count. Then a 3-day count. Then a “big fat never mind because it was The Last Great Day all along!”
Dave continues his Part 392 “presumption” confessional.
@ 39:50 Nowhere is a definite length for this period listing, and I do not want to presume to say that I knowbecause it is still possible. In fact, probable we don’t know the day.
Whew. He just rolled the clock back on RCG doctrine to a pre-2012 teaching.
@ 40:03 But we know it cannot go more than 4 ½ days. It could go all the way to 10 days. That's a round number.
Never mind. Back to presuming. That is literally the following sentence with a breath in between.
@ 48:14 I’ll explain the 1335 in a minute. We might have made a presumption there.
"We" the fartface is back at it, making the days feel longer than necessary.
For all those stone hearts out there who enjoy watching Dave squirm while admitting how presumptuous he has been, this video is right up your alley. Watch this as if he were a little child you just caught stealing money from your dresser drawer and then asked him to explain himself.
Watch how another prophecy problem “will just work itself out naturally.”
@ 48:39 The 1335. Is this really a known date? Is that really today? Are we in the 1335 today? Or did I presume something coming off of Elul 15 and Artaxerxes’ decree…I presumed Elul 15.
@ 49:32 I presumed off of Elul 15 and the start of 69 weeks of seven years. 2,500 years ago, when they started, I presumed that the seven years, the last week, the 70th week would start on Elul 15. Now, look, I hope it’s tonight. Let me just say that. But that's a presumption, partly because this last week where God “confirms the covenant with many” cannot be exactly seven years. Brethren of God, it's literally not possible. And I knew that last week, but I hadn't sorted it out exactly. It has to be...seven weeks and a few days for the first kingdom.
He was wrong, but he knew before everyone else. Finding a way to be right about something he was wrong is a classic Dave Pack move.
No matter how big a hat he eats in front of the Headquarters congregation, the "learning opportunity" will soon be forgotten, and the pattern will repeat.
@ 51:10 So, I assumed, “Well, that’s Elul 15. I guess this last week is seven years and fifteen days. And maybe that’s why it’s 1335. Oh, the fifteen days lines up. Presumption complete.
If you go back (and nobody will do this, I know) and listen to Part 391, David C. Pack did a “masterful” job of masking his wild presumptions as biblical fact. As is his custom since 2012.
David C. Pack tells you everything you need to hear to make a judgment call if he is true or not.
He continually exposes himself as untrustworthy to all the “ministers” and all the members inside The Restored Church of God.
How could a human being broadcast more plainly, “DO NOT TRUST ME!” than David C. Pack? Your answers are all before you in his own words.
@ 51:28 But if you think about it…I have no authority. I made an assumption. I have no authority to say that the First Kingdom, the 1335 has to be 15 days…
Last week, if members inside RCG disagreed with this teaching verbally to their minister, they would have been suspended on the spot and shown the door with a spankin' for good measure. Seven days of history prove they were right.
If you disagreed with “God’s apostle” seven days ago, you would have been on the right side of the truth fence. Let that sink in.
Why are all the “ministers” at Headquarters on board with every whim and fancy that Dave conjures week after week and month after month?
Because that is what hirelings do. The only “ministers” left inside The Restored Church of God are hirelings.
@ 52:49 I don’t wanna just sit here now and build a case for 10-days from now, then we all go to sleep. It may be tonight or maybe Monday night or something. I’ll give you an interesting idea here in a moment. But, I made that presumption.
He just admitted repeatedly that he has been "presuming," yet he does it again and continues presuming until the message's conclusion. Nine more minutes of it. Speculation upon speculation upon speculation.
That is pathological. No joke. No snark. He cannot stop what he is doing. He is compelled.
Deuteronomy 18 will get you suspended from RCG these days if you ask your minister about it, but how interesting that Dave sometimes "coincidentally" mirrors God's word.
Deuteronomy 18:20-22 - But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
The biggest presumption by David C. Pack is that he is right and that God is leading him. The members of RCG are also guilty of the same thing.
David C. Pack is a biblical fraud, and God is not leading him. If He were, Dave would have been perfectly accurate the very first time in 2013. At that point, he was disqualified forever. So says the Bible.
@ 58:38 …we are hearing the final message on the 15th.
More presumption.
@ 58:59 Maybe. See? Maybe. You know it can’t go more than about four and half more days.
More presumption.
@ 1:00:48 So, to conclude, stay alert. Keep your lights burning every day. Cling to the solar system [of Trumpets] as the backstop of Elul 20. Ya have to have 10-days. Can’t go under that, or it means it’s another year away…There are cases for each of the next few days leading up to Thursday, which is the ultimate backstop before we must go another year which, to me, is unthinkable.
Lesson not learned. Does not compute. Presumption to be continued.
When it comes to Bible prophecy, David C. Pack talks up a pretty good game, but when push comes to shove, the man just cannot deliver.
History proves that.
Elul 20 is September 16, which begins at sunset on Thursday night.
The circus is not leaving town any time soon.
Speaking of the circus,…time to have a little fun.
Dave was quizzed on why there was a police vehicle parked at the front gate for Thursday’s UnOpen House. He sang about his plight to the congregation.
53 comments:
Here’s a man that, knows more than he understands.
Maybe I don't have the right background to understand all of this, but I just don't see how all of this speculating makes a damn bit of difference for anyone's life. If you are close to God, it shouldn't matter whether Christ returns tomorrow or 20 years from now. And if you are in a hurry to take part in the first resurrection, you can die tonight and your next moment of awareness will be that you've been caught up with Christ.
Obviously you cannot commit suicide. But if you are tired of Pack's failed speculations, what's stopping you from starting to eat a very unhealthy diet and starting to take stupid physical risks that could get you killed? At some point, will Pack's followers figure this out and start dying in increasingly alarming ways and numbers?
Quite bizarre way of thinking. Is waiting on earth for Jesus return the commission Jesus gave to his disciples ? No it's not.
Anonymous said...
Here’s a man that, knows more than he understands.
Here is a man who understands nothing about what he mistakenly imagines he knows depending on the day of the week.
Now I understand the phrase white men speaks with forked tongue. As the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety so should your minds be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
So vendors who sell stuff to RCG showed up. WHOOPEE!
Of course you show up to a customer who is BUYING STUFF off of you! LOL! It ends up being a form of customer appreciation and a sales call for goodwill and your continued purchasing of product!
"The Wadsworth Chamber of Commerce has 1,200+ individuals who were eligible for the RCG UnOpen House invite. That number is in addition to the vendors. Now reread his comment with that in context to see if it feels any different."
So let me get this straight.
The Wadsworth Chamber has over 1,200 members in the organization and less than 100 cared to show up?
Many of those people were vendors, who, if they are like those that supply my company, eagerly show up at events to keep their business, plus its free food and a look inside the mysterious property that isolated itself from itself the community.
Blustering and thumping their chest over how fabulous you are does not impress the business community. All of that showmanship does not go very far if you have armed police at the front entrance and then lock the damn gates as soon as they leave, prohibiting them from ever returning.
The purpose of a human life isn't to just be "close to God." If that's the case, why get an education, a job and get married?
The Wadsworth Chamber has over 1,200 members in the organization and less than 100 cared to show up?
Dave said there were nearly 100 people at the event. How large is the RCG HQ staff? Subtract them from the 100 to get a more accurate idea of how many outsiders came.
Tonto nailed it. So did Anonymous September 12 @ 9:26am.
I wrote a paragraph about the logic of including vendors in your numbers because it is "business politics" and they would HAVE to go, even if they did not want to just for the sake of keeping the financial relationship on good terms. The article was already getting lengthy and my HOPE was that readers would understand without me spelling it out.
"All of that showmanship does not go very far if you have armed police at the front entrance and then lock the damn gates as soon as they leave, prohibiting them from ever returning."
HA! So true. Great point.
One factoid I did not remind folks of is that DCP is an "idiot savant" when it comes to numbers. He remembers numbers way better than he remembers conversations and facts. Those close to him who left confirm this. That number business of his brain is no exaggeration. -- He had the EXACT number of attendees and CHOSE to withhold it. It was a conscious, calculated move.
That should SCREAM that the true number is underwhelming. "Well attended" certainly includes any physical body standing around. Technically, the police officer "attended" the event in Dave's mind.
:)
PS - I updated the Chamber number from 1000+ originally to 1200+ this morning when I got a phone confirmation.
And don't forget the High Security: those Big Steel Gates (that you can walk around if you like)
I stopped watching the Unending Adventures of David C. Pack years ago so I may have missed something. Did Dave's Unending story have a "jump the shark" episode, or has his life been slow descent into madness?
WHO MADE THE CLOWN MEME OF DAVE PACK! I CANT STOP LAUGHING BAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Once again I held my nose and decided to watch Dave's latest video. Once again just like every other video I have watched, I was left with a smirk on my face. This man is deluded. This man is not living in reality. His pronouncements are ludicrous as well as ridiculous. He has no Idea what he is talking about. He speaks with total gibberish. None of the idiotic crap he spews forth makes any sense, nor it it biblical. Multiple kingdoms, lol. All he does is combine a bunch of numbers with a bunch of Hebrew months, and out pops his special insight and revelation, which just always happens to be wrong. All this false and erroneous vomit that comes forth from him is just a bunch of maniacal ramblings. That is why he has to keep the train going after each and every failure. Lastly to any followers of this charlatan, if he was truly being used by God, would God's revelations be "insane ramblings" that have to be modified continually after each failure?
I, too, loved dave's updated look! He should consider changing is hair-style. It is a great look for him!
It seems that you people are obsessed with this guy, he lives rent-free in your heads, you dream of him, and spend the day thinking what to write about him.
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You are one of the prime reasons so many sick disgusting men are leading COG’s today. You want to gloss over their vile putridness and let them continue to destroy peoples lives, both spiritually and financially. As for the rest of us here we will continue to hold these agents of darkness accountable for their grievous sins and abuses so that further generations are not destroyed spiritually and financially.
No Dave, you don't live in our heads, rather, we are living in yours!
I know you hate Mr. David C. Pack I love Mr. David C. Pack that's my way your way is to hate Him but I'll never hate Him.
Why do you hate Mr. Pack so much? tho I guess You hate Him I don't know maybe just looking to see why He won't run the church the way you want him to? It's his church let him do what he wants.
God is not the author of confusion, 1 Corinthians 14:33. Yet Davey boy's sermons are so confusing as he rambles on like a complete idiot, he seems to be tripping over himself. I cannot stand listening to this man. Does he even know what he's yammering on about?
"Why do you hate Mr. Pack so much? tho I guess You hate Him I don't know maybe just looking to see why He won't run the church the way you want him to? It's his church let him do what he wants."
David C Pack is not a Christian. He is a certified liar who is a false prophet that the Bible specifically condemns. That alone makes him a non-Christian. The minute he started his extra-biblical teachings he voided any chance of being a follower of Christ. Those that enable him are not Christian either. While there may certainly be some wonderful genuine Christians in RCG who seek to serve God and each other, they are few and far in between.
Exposing the truth about an outright fraud and charlatan is not hate. It is just revealing what an out and out fraud Davie C is. No hate, no lies, just the truth. The man is a false prophet which he has been proven to be using biblical criteria.
He further proves his shortcomings in his nonsensical sermon messages which make no sense whatsoever and are "Always Wrong".
If Mr. Pack isn't a true apostle and for real then why do people who hate Mr. Pack and how is it that it is always RCG bashed by ppl who hate Mr. Pack the most why isn't Grace communion International bashed or mocked or the Catholic church ?? It's a good question ⁉️
i dont have a relationship with him but as his son i find it odd. after spending some time here for a couple weeks around the time the original wadsworth videos started coming out i somewhat quickly found myself almost wanting to defend him with the nature of this place..
the cog's are what they are. most of the people there are happy. deal with it. dont be vile. move on. dont look back.
Anonymous 4:00 PM, Sep. 12, said:
Why do you hate Mr. Pack so much? tho I guess You hate Him I don't know maybe just looking to see why He won't run the church the way you want him to? It's his church let him do what he wants."
You got it a bit wrong. It’s Dave’s church he runs with YOUR money. You are correct he won’t run it the way anyone wants it. Dave is a narcissist. The people here aren’t trying to change how the great Davester will lead his church but more along the lines of making people think before they join or people (possibly you) think before they continue with his church. Not God’s church as Dave insists but Dave’s church as you correctly pointed out.
"bashing the Catholic church"
Um, in case you have not noticed this blog is about the cult of Armstrongism and its abusive leaders and churches. Far too many of the COG's are graceless personality cults centered around narcissistic leaders.
GCI is not discussed much because it is basically a protestant church now who at least properly understands grace. Far more people understand where they come from doctrinally here though the overwhelming majority of us are not members of it.
"i dont have a relationship with him but as his son i find it odd. after spending some time here for a couple weeks around the time the original wadsworth videos started coming out i somewhat quickly found myself almost wanting to defend him with the nature of this place..
the cog's are what they are. most of the people there are happy. deal with it. dont be vile. move on. dont look back. "
I think the broad majority of us here have removed on, however, none of us want to see more people's lives destroyed by the prophetic lies and theft of money by your Dad. Every single week now for over 5 years he has lied weekly to his followers, and particularly within the last couple of years by setting specific dates for his made-up creature he calls "christ" to return on. Look at the hundreds and hundreds of lives he has destroyed due to his vile teachings and you think it is all right? His own family will not even speak to him, as you attest. That is sure not something worth defending!
Your father has zero accountability to anyone, not even the 15 or so enablers that surround him. People have lost homes and businesses to your father by following his command of "common". It is one thing to defend him as your father, but not as a false teacher and a false prophet that has ZERO concern about any of his followers.
I am not going to play this anymore I believe in Mr. Pack that's my way you believe there's no new end-time apostle that's you.
Anonymous 4:00 PM, Sep. 12,
What you have written above ... "It's his church let him do what he wants".
should make it super clear to you.
You should be saying "It's God's church and Pack needs to do what God wants.
I am not going to play this anymore I BELIEVE in Mr. Pack that's my way you BELIEVE there's no new end-time apostle that's you.
Belif. Belief. Belief. I want proof, proof, proof. What do I care what people believe? People believe all sorts of things.
In my opinion, it is important to not believe lies. Alot of problems occur in your life if you believe lies. Because then you act upon the lie. And, if the Bible is to be believed, and I believe it is, than it is hard to not believe lies because the god of the world is the father of lies. So, not only is it hard to not believe lies, we actually prefer to believe the lies. We want to believe the lie.
A brief illustration is here in Nebraska with our college football coach. We all wanted to believe he was a football savior. Even when the proof, year after year after year, was mounting up that he was not. We still, up until the very end, believed he was because we wanted to believe the lie.
Same thing with the followers of the Armstrong version of COG7. There is ample evidence that the apostolic era is over. Christ is the Head of the Church. Not a main who claims divine titles. But people want to believe the lie that there is a man in place of Christ on earth. The Catholic Church has been promulgating that for millenia. The Catholics believe in lies too.
So if people want to believe in lies I guess you have to let them.
"There is ample evidence that the apostolic era is over."
It's a trait of the human mind for feelings to lag the reality. Hence a poor person who suddenly becomes rich, still feels poor for a considerable time. Likewise a rich person that is losing their wealth, still feels rich for some time.
At this point in time, a maturing Christian should have mentally left behind their daddy church leader and his minions.
Anonymous said...
Tuesday, September 13, 2022 at 6:13:00 AM PDT
and also:
Anonymous said...
Monday, September 12, 2022 at 6:04:00 PM PDT
Firstly, It's God's Church not David Pack's Church! I can hear the gnashing of teeth now! Members screaming at DP and his ministers for losing their crown and the lake of fire as their only fate.
The reason why Grace Communion International isn't bashed currently is because those of us that left RCG do not know anyone that is currently attending there. We understood many years ago, if truth leaves the Church of God start a new doctrinally sound Church of God across the street. Just as Mr. Armstrong taught us.
As far as the Catholic Church, Really! All Church of God members know that's literally the seat of Satan on Earth.
Mr. Pack is a wolf not an apostle, his teachings will land him straight into the lake of fire it not repented of and that fate is going to land his ministry and the members the same awful fate. Members thinking it's going to get better if DP dies, it wont. God has already left RCG and will need to take care of DP personally.
If it was you and you knew that DP was lying for his own gain, teaching delusions that Satan is filling his head with and knowing their fate. You would try your best to save the people you dearly love them from an awful fate. No spending eternity with them they will be gone forever, screaming about how DP ruined their chance, losing crown and being thrown into the lake of Fire. Maybe you wouldn't care but I do! I wake up in the morning and see their faces and cry because if they don't wake up from their comas, it'll be to late for them. They have accepted false doctrines throwing away God's truth and once they did that God's says he will send them strong delusions to believe lies. God has certainly allowed that to happen in the last eight years. No more love left in RCG, only fear and hate left and they don't even realize it.
God gave us his bible and everything we need to know has already been provided for us to make into his kingdom in his word. Don't think you need an apostle to save you. You only need God.
Most of us don't hate Mr. Pack, we pray that he repents before it's to late. Once God sends strong delusion, he is not try to work with RCG or save them it's over as far as God is concerned. RCG left the truth they once know and loved. Members individually will need to seek God and his truth again and stop letting DP get in-between them and God.
Read the original HWA Bible Correspondence Course again and you will see were DP has perverted so much of the truth. It's easy to find online every Church of God member should read it every year, it would stop all this mess. This isn't just about false date setting, it's about leaving God's truth. Satan is cleaver, he knows he has to compromise the leaders in the Church of God. DP is arrogant and full of vanity just like Satan and that vanity has spilled to his ministry as well. It's awful!
Free moral agency is a wonderful thing, it's your choice to die in the lake of fire for believing lies, others we pray will wake up from their comas and understand they are being lied to and run as fast as they can from RCG and go back to the truth they once knew.
RCG once taught the truth, but they do not now. RCG ministers have disqualified themselves! The campus is beautiful, God said Lucifer was beautiful as well till iniquity was found in him. Don't be fooled by DP and the carrot of the Kingdom he keeps putting in front of you every week and wind up losing your crown! Open your bible and prove it yourself, that's what God expects if you are really serious about making it into his kingdom.
I love how people get on here and get all pissy about criticism of Dave here. If you do not like it, then don’t read the blog. I mean it’s simple it can be. Yet these very same people come back here religiously every single day looking to be titillated by something.
You clearly do not read this site often.
Was Pack crucified for you? Were you baptized in the name of Pack?
Odd that so many are appearing on a single post. Either there's some sockpuppeting, or someone within RCG is promoting the site. In the latter case, thanks for the free press, guys.
I disagree that the members of RCG are going to lose their eternal lives for following David Pack. None of them are deliberately moving against God and they are unfortunately deceived that God is speaking through David Pack. We serve a merciful God and there is no way He is going to eternally punish the members who are not wicked people. They are some of the kindest people on the planet, in unfortunate circumstances being led by a false prophet. Let us not make those judgments against the membership, God will free them someday.
Satan is cleaver
Ward, June, Wally, or the Beaver?
If Satan is Cleaver, Dave Pack must be Eddie Haskell.
Davis Pack is no Eddie Haskell he’s a liar and Satan is clever.
I’m sure there are posts on here from current RCG members or even employees. Maybe it will help them see how blind they have been when it comes to Dave Pack. If their feelings get along the way it’s only because the truth hurts.
"Did you know what this property used to be used for?... This is where the circus came to town. The circus was on this property for years.”
MY COMMENT - Way too funny! You can't make this stuff up.
Of course, in the R/WCG this tidbit of local history would have been played up as something very significant. It would be "Waterhousian" in nature and speculation.
Richard
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It's not that simple. Good people can be deceived. Many people here, including myself were deceived by many of HWAs lies. But when the lies became obvious, they were ditched for the truth. When people refuse to accept correction, God holds them responsible. There is no mercy for people who knowingly embrace error over correction.
I respectfully disagree, as I feel that is contrary to the doctrine of grace. God desires that no man will perish but that ALL will be saved. So He will mercifully give them a chance to repent when He reveals our Savior to the world. If they do not want to obey, then He will deal with them. Judge not, lest you be judged.
Also, "For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment."
James 2:13
We must not proclaim judgment for those trapped in an abusive situation. It is the same as making judgments against an abuse victim. It can be hard to leave an abusive situation, but God in His goodness and grace has the power to free them, and He eventually will. The false church RCG will not last because all the members will eventually leave and it will collapse.
Elijah the prophet is one of Christ titles, it's not going to be a man. Just like That Prophet and Joshua are Christ titles. When God sends Elijah the prophet, he is sending Christ, not a man.
The only warning that RCG will get from God will be the two witnesses in Jerusalem that start warning God's people and the world that the tribulation is about to begin if they do not repent. The two witnesses start only a few days before the midnight call goes out before sudden destruction. What kind of shape spiritually do you think RCG will be in when that day comes if they are still listening to DP. They need to leave now and get close to God while they still have a chance to realize what's going on.
RCG members will lose everything (eternal life) if they don't leave.
David Pack and his ministry will be judged for their lies harming God's people. That's why the ministry is held to a much higher standard. The members know that they should not fear losing family, friends, physical possessions in order gain eternal live. RCG members know these scriptures. They also know what happens when they are fooled and listen to a evil Shepard and do not leave. This is all text book examples of the warnings to God's people not to believe a false Shepard. It's end time prophecy in our day, they really have no excuse it's gone on the over eight years. If one year when by and they left maybe but eight years. Come on stop making excuses for them.
They should fear God not lies that DP preaches to them. They are not trusting God, they are trusting a very evil man.
I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to be frank, I believe you are wrong to proclaim the membership of RCG is going to lose their lives eternally for being spiritually ABUSED by a false prophet. They are VICTIMS, who need loving help and guidance. Only God will determine who is going to lose eternal life. If God could forgive Paul for severely persecuting the Church, he can certainly forgive RCG members for getting unwittingly deceived. I was once in RCG and know many of the people there. NONE of them are committing anything close to the unpardonable sin and they are still striving to obey God. They are confused and hurt and don't know what to do. Trust me, I've been there and it is a hard thing to leave what you believed was the true church. Saying God will punish them for all eternity with death is going in the territory Christ forbade us to go in. It gives God the appearance of an unmerciful MONSTER. I've learned the true God, He is loving, kind and will NOT kill people off for what they did not know. Take this from someone who was there. So with that said I have to agree to disagree with you on this.
DP is obsessed with saying people are going to die, so saying that the RCG members are going to die is basically the same thing he's doing. It's kind of hypocritical.
I have to agree that RCG members are in real danger by supporting David Pack! The members are financing it and so it continues! I was a member of RCG for approximately twelve years, and in World-wide Church of God before that and I have to say that God is giving RCG members no excuse to get it right with God by leaving RCG. They have been hearing false doctrines for many years and plenty of time to make a decision. It's very hard to leave RCG when you think is the right Church, we can agree on that. God will probably allow RCG to continue till the last day possible to save every last person possible. They are not physically abused they can leave anytime, they are mentally and spiritually abused. I have many friends still there that I love very dearly. God has already given them everything they need in the bible, they need to trust God. They are not reading their bibles. RCG members are able to leave anytime they decide they have had enough of the lies. Maybe it's time for the RCG ministry to step up and start their own Church and start protecting the brethren for once. We are admonished by God to always be testing our leaders and to take action immediately if we find they are preaching heresy. Ignorance of God's clear warning is an excuse, humane nature maybe to not admit the true danger they are really in. I pray that all of RCG members makes it out alive even David Pack, all he has to do is repent and ask for forgiveness. Some may not like it but that's all he needs to do. Even after all the pain and lies he has caused God's people over the years.
I personally think RCG will just collapse, because the members will realize he's a fraud and stop giving him money.
So as his son you can sleep at night, knowing he's taking money from hard working people. You're ok with him kicking people out who devottheor lives & ask questions? You're OK with the fact he calls himself a prophet making up dates almost weekly? While you "move on" dozens of other people are being brainwashed into mak8ng them belive the outside world needs to go to hell? If you've moved on why do you read these blogs & furthermore why do you take the time to comment? You probably haven't moved on, just shut the door & walked away. We don't get to pick out parents, your defensive not because he's your father. You're defensive because you probably feel embarrassed & that other's judge you. People are happy that his children are not part of his deception & they're safe living their lives. People are coming forward slowly that have left or looking to leave. Looking to find connections & other's to talk to as a way to heal. Mr. Cebrian's efforts have helped that along, along with your brother inlaw doing the podcast. You can keep the door shut & walk away or you can find a way to help others get educated on RCG. Maybe even not walk out broke with no life savings & a pit to piss in.
I don't see how the members still in RCG can sleep at night, my daughter still has night terrors and she's an adult. It's all to much all the lies and deceit! I don't expect the coward ministry will stand up and protect the members, God fired them many years ago, they just refuse to be fired.
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