Wednesday, May 7, 2025

White Paper: Proposals for Educating Young People in the United Church of God About Herbert W. Armstrong’s Importance to Church Beliefs and Practices



I will just leave this here in its entirety, without commentary, though I am highlighting some things. 

Crap, after highlighting things, I could find NO WHERE in this upcoming propaganda campaign any reference to teaching UCG youth about Jesus Christ and what it means to be a follower of him. Jesus gets the back burner once again.

What do you have to say about this?



White Paper: Proposals for Educating Young People in the United Church of God About Herbert W. Armstrong’s Importance to Church Beliefs and Practices

Authored by: Nathan Albright, Submitted for Consideration to Aaron Dean, Candidate for President of the United Church of God

Date: April 28, 2025


Executive Summary

Herbert W. Armstrong, as the founder of the Worldwide Church of God (WCG) and a pivotal figure in the Church of God movement, played a transformative role in shaping the doctrines, practices, and global outreach of the church. His teachings, including the identity of the Twelve Tribes of Israel in the modern world, seventh-day Sabbath observance, and the emphasis on biblical prophecy, remain foundational to the United Church of God (UCG), an offshoot of the WCG established in 1995 to preserve Armstrong’s core doctrines. To prevent the emergence of “a generation that did not know” Armstrong’s contributions, as warned in the cyclical forgetting described in Judges 2:10, it is critical to educate young members of the UCG about his legacy. This white paper proposes actionable strategies for Aaron Dean, a candidate for UCG President who worked closely with Armstrong, to engage younger generations. These proposals leverage Dean’s personal experiences, modern educational tools, and community-based initiatives to ensure Armstrong’s significance is understood and appreciated.

Introduction

Herbert W. Armstrong (1892–1986) founded the Radio Church of God (later the Worldwide Church of God) in 1934, growing it into a global ministry through his radio and television program The World Tomorrow, the magazine The Plain Truth, and the establishment of Ambassador College. His teachings emphasized the restoration of biblical truths, including the observance of the seventh-day Sabbath, Old Testament Holy Days, and the belief that Western European nations, particularly the United States and Britain, are descendants of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel. These doctrines, collectively referred to by critics as “Armstrongism,” form the theological backbone of the UCG, which was founded to maintain Armstrong’s teachings after the WCG’s doctrinal shifts in the 1990s.

Aaron Dean, having worked closely with Armstrong during his youth, is uniquely positioned to convey the historical and spiritual significance of Armstrong’s work. The biblical warning in Judges 2:10–11, where a new generation “did not know the Lord or the work that he had done for Israel” and “did what was evil,” underscores the urgency of educating young UCG members. This white paper outlines five key proposals to integrate Armstrong’s legacy into the education and spiritual development of UCG youth, ensuring his contributions remain a living part of the church’s identity.

Proposals for Educating Young People

  1. Develop an Interactive Digital Curriculum: “Herbert W. Armstrong’s Legacy”
    • Objective: Create an engaging, age-appropriate online course to teach UCG youth (ages 10–25) about Armstrong’s life, teachings, and impact.
    • Implementation:
      • Partner with UCG’s Media and Communications Services to design a modular curriculum hosted on the UCG website or a dedicated app.
      • Include short videos featuring Aaron Dean sharing personal anecdotes about Armstrong’s dedication, work ethic, and vision for the church.
      • Cover key topics such as:
        • Armstrong’s early life and calling (e.g., his transition from advertising to ministry after intensive Bible study).
        • The growth of The World Tomorrow and The Plain Truth, which reached millions globally.
        • Core doctrines (Sabbath, Holy Days, identity of the Twelve Tribes of Israel, and prophecy) and their biblical basis.
      • Use interactive elements like quizzes, virtual tours of Ambassador College’s history, and discussion prompts for youth groups.
      • Offer a certificate of completion to encourage participation, tied to youth camp or festival credits.
    • Rationale: Digital platforms are effective for engaging tech-savvy youth. Dean’s personal stories add authenticity, while interactive features foster retention. A 2023 Pew Research study noted that 80% of teens prefer multimedia learning, supporting this approach.
    • Timeline: Develop and launch within 12 months, with pilot testing at UCG youth camps in 2026.
    • Budget: $50,000 for content creation, platform development, and promotion.
  2. Establish an Annual “Herbert W. Armstrong Heritage Day”
    • Objective: Create a church-wide event to celebrate Armstrong’s contributions, fostering community engagement and historical awareness.
    • Implementation:
      • Designate January 16 (the anniversary of Armstrong’s death in 1986) as Heritage Day, held during Sabbath services.
      • Organize activities such as:
        • A keynote sermon by Aaron Dean or other elders who knew Armstrong, highlighting his role in restoring biblical truths.
        • Youth-led skits or presentations reenacting key moments, like Armstrong’s first radio broadcast in 1934.
        • A “Legacy Fair” where youth explore exhibits on Armstrong’s writings, media, and global outreach (e.g., his meetings with world leaders).
      • Encourage congregations to host essay or video contests for teens, with themes like “How Armstrong’s Teachings Shape My Faith.”
      • Distribute a commemorative booklet summarizing Armstrong’s life and UCG’s commitment to his doctrines.
    • Rationale: Annual events create lasting traditions, and youth participation fosters ownership. The Philadelphia Church of God’s similar efforts to honor Armstrong have strengthened member loyalty.
    • Timeline: Plan for January 16, 2026, with preparatory materials distributed by Fall 2025.
    • Budget: $20,000 for materials, contest prizes, and congregational support.
  3. Incorporate Armstrong’s Teachings into UCG Youth Camps and Bible Study Programs
    • Objective: Embed Armstrong’s legacy into existing youth programs to ensure consistent exposure.
    • Implementation:
      • Revise UCG youth camp curricula to include daily 15-minute sessions on Armstrong’s contributions, led by camp counselors trained by Aaron Dean.
      • Use Armstrong’s writings, such as The United States and Britain in Prophecy or Mystery of the Ages, as discussion starters, focusing on their relevance to modern prophecy.
      • Integrate Armstrong’s emphasis on biblical obedience (e.g., Sabbath-keeping, tithing) into practical workshops, showing how these practices stem from his teachings.
      • Develop a teen Bible study guide, “Following in Armstrong’s Footsteps,” with weekly lessons linking his doctrines to scripture.
    • Rationale: Youth camps and Bible studies are formative for UCG teens, with over 500 participants annually. Embedding Armstrong’s legacy here ensures broad reach and spiritual connection.
    • Timeline: Implement at 2026 summer camps and roll out study guides by Spring 2026.
    • Budget: $15,000 for curriculum development and counselor training.
  4. Launch a Mentorship Program: “Ambassadors for Armstrong’s Vision”
    • Objective: Pair young members with elders who knew Armstrong to share firsthand insights and foster intergenerational bonds.
    • Implementation:
      • Create a voluntary program where teens (ages 14–18) are mentored by elders, including Aaron Dean and others who worked with Armstrong.
      • Mentors share personal stories, such as Armstrong’s commitment to preaching the gospel globally, and guide mentees in studying his key booklets.
      • Host quarterly virtual or in-person “Legacy Talks” where mentors and mentees discuss Armstrong’s impact on their faith.
      • Encourage mentees to lead a congregational project (e.g., a sermonette or community outreach) inspired by Armstrong’s example of service.
    • Rationale: Personal mentorship builds trust and makes history relatable. A 2024 study by Barna Group found that 65% of Gen Z values one-on-one spiritual guidance.
    • Timeline: Pilot in select congregations by Fall 2025, with full rollout by 2027.
    • Budget: $10,000 for program coordination and virtual platform costs.
  5. Create a Multimedia Archive and Podcast Series: “Armstrong’s Enduring Voice”
    • Objective: Make Armstrong’s sermons, broadcasts, and writings accessible to youth through modern media.
    • Implementation:
      • Digitize and curate a UCG online archive of Armstrong’s The World Tomorrowepisodes, Plain Truth articles, and books, with youth-friendly summaries.
      • Launch a monthly podcast hosted by Aaron Dean, featuring discussions on Armstrong’s teachings, their biblical roots, and their relevance today (e.g., prophecy in 2025 geopolitics).
      • Include youth voices in the podcast, such as interviews with teens who apply Armstrong’s principles (e.g., Sabbath-keeping in school).
      • Promote the archive and podcast via UCG’s social media, targeting platforms like Instagram and TikTok, where 70% of teens are active (Pew Research, 2024).
    • Rationale: Multimedia archives preserve Armstrong’s voice, while podcasts engage youth in a popular format. The Restored Church of God’s similar efforts have boosted engagement among younger members.
    • Timeline: Launch archive by Summer 2026 and podcast by Fall 2026.
    • Budget: $30,000 for digitization, podcast production, and marketing.

Addressing Potential Challenges

  • Skepticism About Armstrong’s Legacy: Some youth may view Armstrong’s teachings, like British Israelism, as outdated or controversial due to modern genetic research debunking it. Emphasize the spiritual intent of his teachings (e.g., understanding prophecy) and Dean’s personal testimony to bridge generational gaps.
  • Overemphasis on Armstrong: Critics within UCG argue that focusing on Armstrong risks venerating a man over scripture. Ensure all materials frame Armstrong as a servant of God, not the source of truth, with clear scriptural grounding.
  • Resource Constraints: Limited budgets and volunteer time may hinder implementation. Prioritize low-cost initiatives like the mentorship program and leverage existing platforms like UCG’s website to minimize expenses.
  • Engaging Diverse Youth: Urban and international youth may feel disconnected from Armstrong’s Western-focused teachings. Tailor content to highlight universal principles (e.g., Sabbath rest, God’s plan for humanity) and include diverse voices in podcasts and events.

Expected Outcomes

  • Increased Awareness: Within three years, 80% of UCG youth (ages 10–25) will demonstrate basic knowledge of Armstrong’s contributions, measured via surveys at youth camps.
  • Stronger Identity: Youth will articulate how Armstrong’s teachings shape UCG’s distinct identity, fostering commitment to the church’s mission.
  • Intergenerational Unity: Programs like mentorship and Heritage Day will bridge gaps between older members who knew Armstrong and younger ones, strengthening church cohesion.
  • Preservation of Doctrine: By embedding Armstrong’s legacy in education, UCG ensures its core beliefs endure, countering the doctrinal drift seen in the WCG post-1986.

Conclusion

Herbert W. Armstrong’s role in restoring biblical truths and building the Worldwide Church of God is central to the United Church of God’s identity. Aaron Dean, with his firsthand experience, can lead efforts to educate young members, ensuring Armstrong’s legacy inspires future generations. The proposed digital curriculum, Heritage Day, youth camp integration, mentorship program, and multimedia archive offer a comprehensive approach to engage youth meaningfully. By implementing these initiatives, UCG can avoid the cycle of forgetting described in Judges, raising a generation that knows and values Armstrong’s contributions to its faith and practices.


Recommendations for Immediate Action

  1. Form a task force by June 2025, including Aaron Dean, youth leaders, and media experts, to prioritize and pilot the digital curriculum and Heritage Day.
  2. Allocate $125,000 in the 2026 UCG budget for these initiatives, with phased implementation to manage costs.
  3. Engage youth feedback via focus groups at the 2025 Feast of Tabernacles to refine content and ensure relevance.

References

  • United Church of God. (2025). Official website and doctrinal statements.
  • Pew Research Center. (2023). Teens and Technology.
  • Barna Group. (2024). Gen Z and Faith.

This white paper provides a roadmap for Aaron Dean to educate UCG youth about Herbert W. Armstrong, ensuring his legacy endures in a way that resonates with the next generation.

55 comments:

Anonymous said...

This is just more proof that this blog is run by cowardly UCG ministers. Seeking to destroy the church. Your evil will find you out!

Anonymous said...

As a UCG member, I am appalled that they look at the Philadelphia Church of God and Restored Church of God as standards of excellence in preserving Herbert Armstrong's legacy. How can two of the most aberrant cults of the church, run by two mentally ill men, be used as a shining example?

Anonymous said...

When i saw the hypocrites face in the photo the thoughts were ones of distaste, sorrow, pity, anger too at the destructive lies.

Anonymous said...

Ensure all materials frame Armstrong as a servant of God, not the source of truth, with clear scriptural grounding.

This will be a challenge as this man always wrote in the dogmatic style he was sent to reveal truth. Further challenges arise to show how his web of lies could ever sustain a story he was a servant of God.

BillW said...

they seem to see some success in these two cults programs to which you refer, without saying just how it was determined to be so, adding to the feeling of inevitability that the look to Armstrong memorial proposal is bound to succeed.

Byker Bob said...

The kids will continue to figure it out, even in spite of this latest hail Mary. Nothing is going to change these churches from their status as greying down nostalgia groups. I certainly don't see the young people as rushing to the local Walgreens to pick up a tube of Brylcream! I'm a little surprised that apparently the leaders are continuing to double down on British Israelism, although they seem to be calling it "the identity of the 12 tribes" these days. That's about as ignorant as the young earthers believing that the dinosaurs were contemporaries of Adam and Eve!

It'd be a miracle if just one Armstrong splinter group self described as a Christ-centered church. It was always very telling that HWA was known by church members as "God's Apostle", while the originals (and only!) were known as Apostles of Jesus Christ. Subtle elevation there, boys! Revival of first century Christianity? Yeah, right!

BB

Byker Bob said...

Oh! I almost forgot! The ministers refer to themselves as modern day Levites.
Apparently they are not satisfied with the order of Melchizedek!

BB

Anonymous said...

As another UCG member, Nathan's white paper proposal is most probably well meaning but highly out of touch. Generational preferences need to be considered and Herbert Armstrong doesn't trend well outside of the 1970s.

His extreme aspirational King style living has not aged well at all and was always openly condemned through the 80s and 90s. And his fractured family relationships ending in a death, with no relatives around, was awful.

The Armstrong legacy lays in God's hands as does everyone's. The grandson of Garner Ted is a newly accredited preacher in the CGI branches, offshoot of WCG and looks like his great grandfather Herbert. Family are people's legacy not some educational roadmap.


Anonymous said...

In one spokesman's club session during the 1980s, it was proposed that many of Herb's writings would be added to the bible on Christ's return. By their body language, most everyone agreed. So he was regarded as a source of truth equal to the bible. In many members minds, his assertions trumped the bible.
As is typically the case, this article whitewashed HWA by leaving out that he was the source of the abusive church culture. All that matters to them is his "restored 30 truths" or similar, which has absolutely no bearing on daily living.

Lee T. Walker said...

I agreed with him in a comment that Armstrong was indeed the center of their church. Even included a link to my succession article on my blog. He responded interestingly with two points. The first was to make a meaningless comment about a satirical story I linked to (trying to shift attention, I guess). The second was to actually agree that there was no connections in the supposed succession. Yesterday, I believe it was, I asked him to address the consequences of that. We will see if I get a reply.

The guy is a younger sort who does apparently speak in UCG services. Interestingly, despite his Heritage Day call, he now has a post up calling for congregational (more “democratic”) governance. I wonder if he will see the dichotomy there.

John said...

Byker Bob, Wednesday, May 7, 2025 at 11:12:51 PM PDT, wrote:

"...It'd be a miracle if just one Armstrong splinter group self described as a Christ-centered church. It was always very telling that HWA was known by church members as "God's Apostle", while the originals (and only!) were known as Apostles of Jesus Christ. Subtle elevation there, boys! Revival of first century Christianity? Yeah, right!..."
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Yes, the originals were known as Apostles of Jesus Christ. Then, there were also evangelists.

For example, there is the example of Doug Winnail, who loves to sent out repeat messages every so often, as though no one paid any attention to his first original message, and he wants to be referred to as an evangelist (like so many other Pasadena fleeing hirelings of the former WCG), but we have the following to consider.

"And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;" Eph 4:11

However, the word "some" is not in the original. Instead, the word some should be changed to the word "the", such that we'd have the following:

"And he gave the apostles; and the prophets; and the evangelists; and the pastors and teachers;" Eph 4:11

So, yes, it is "the Apostles...the Evangelists..." etc. If we already have information from the original
Apostles, and Evangelists, then why do we need any more? I'm still learning from them originals that God inspired to use to serve Him to be helpers of the joy of others.

Byker Bob, Wednesday, May 7, 2025 at 11:15:31 PM PDT, also noted:

"Oh! I almost forgot! The ministers refer to themselves as modern day Levites.
Apparently they are not satisfied with the order of Melchizedek!"

So true, again! 30 years ago, when the manmade United was established the leadership at the Spring 1995 Indianapolis Conference was asked if they could prove that they had anything to do with the Levitical priesthood and allow them to take tithes from the people. Dennis Luker said they'd look into it and get back to the individual who asked that question at the Conference.

To this date, to my knowledge, nobody ever responded with anything.

From that time to this what are some of the fruits? What it a lot of creation of factions, fractions, splits, scattering of those who started out with that organization?

Time will tell, is telling...

John

Lee T. Walker said...

“Create an engaging, age-appropriate online course to teach UCG youth (ages 10–25) about Armstrong’s life, teachings, and impact.”

When one has to include “age-appropriate” as the consideration in talking about a minister’s legacy, that kind of says something.

Dorothy Armstrong Mattson it’s not available for comment.

Lee T. Walker said...

Absolutely. “Spiritual Levites.”

And that can contribute to their undoing if people will play this properly: https://armstrongismlibrary.blogspot.com/2025/05/is-armstrongism-defined-by-its-identity.html?m=0

Anonymous said...

10:21 Couldn’t agree more with you! I don’t understand how UCG would be looking to the PCG and RCG cults as noble examples of how to inculcate into the next generation a respect for HWA and his legacy when he taught so much error that even today remains to be corrected (eg tithing on money; NTBMO is Passover; FOT should be observed locally like the other feasts not forced on members as a 8-day annual holiday; British throne isn’t the Davidic throne; COG is the Israel of God not racial Jews or British; HWA was a false prophet who made over 200 wrong predictions; etc). These 2 cults remind me of the Mormon cult and their devotion to the false prophet that was their founder Joseph Smith. But I guess like Forrest put it, “stupid is as stupid do is.”

Lee T. Walker said...

“Herbert Armstrong doesn't trend well outside of the 1970s.”

Dude, Herbert Armstrong didn’t trend well then. He was known for three things: a church in receivership, Stan Rader on 60 Minutes, and emerging stories of his incest. At least Garner Ted got on Hee Haw.

Lee T. Walker said...

Armstrongism should really simply declare itself a separate religion, even as ultimately Christianity did from Judaism. They could use the Transfiguration, where the disciples saw Moses, Jesus, and “Elijah.” That is, maybe for Elijah they saw a pudgy guy with glasses. After Noah laid the foundation of the world with the Rainbow Covenant and Noachide Law, and Abraham’s lineage became the chosen nation, Moses gave the Sinai Covenant with preexistent circumcision as core to conversion, and Jesus who gave the Calvary Covenant with preexistent baptism as core to conversion. Armstrong could be said to gave set up the… Pasadena Covenant? Oregon? Eugene, Oregon? Whatever. He set up the “Elijah” Covenant (yeah!) with preexistent, laying on of hands as core to conversion. The New Testament says “Moses” was preached, and “Jesus” was preached. Following this pattern, they could quite reasonably say that “Armstrong” is to be preached. Mystery of the Ages would be “another testament.” (Just don’t tell them about the prophecy on page 298 until it’s too late.)

Imagine doing that in the 1950s (albeit without MA). Set up a big tent, and even as the apostles in the first century might quote,a messianic prophecy in the Hebrew Scriptures to introduce preaching Jesus, Waterhouse and the others could have quoted Matthew 17:1-11 (but definitely stop at 11), and said, “He who our Lord foretold would come, it is him we preach unto you.”

They could try to call the new religion “Elijahism,” but even as “Christian” was a title originally given by opponents, I suspect they would be stuck with “Armstrongism.” They could even embrace it as LDS has “Mormon.”

Hey. At least this whole approach would be more honest and forthright.

Br. Alexander said...

I just wrote an article addressing this; "Whose name describes your faith?"

https://orthodoxgc.substack.com/p/whose-name-describes-your-faith

Phinnpoy said...

Which GTA grandson, and which CGI branch?

Anonymous said...

I'd more recommend on The contents of the NEW TESTAMENT.

Rocknroll Hood said...

In the year 2525, Elvis will still be remembered, but nobody will have even heard of HWA.

Lee T. Walker said...

John, I don’t remember that about Indianapolis and people questioning the succession. But it does fit. Do you have any documentation on that?

R.L. said...

One problem is that Aaron Dean will NOT be UCG President. Results from the Council of Elders were announced Wednesday.

John Elliott will be President.

Peter Eddington was "runner-up," in an unusual admission. He'll be right-hand aide to Mr. Elliott.

Thus, Aaron Dean finished third out of three finalists. Did a white paper like this one hurt his cause?

Anonymous said...

Still suspect Daniel 8:23-25 could be HWA's legacy, noting in Hebrew "king" could simply be a leader (Prov 30:27)........."destroy" could be "corrupt"........ "mighty and holy people" could be "numerous saints".........

Anonymous said...

RCG and PCG are losing their youth even faster than we are , so why are we looking to them as an example? This isn't limited to us either; all of the Churches of God are losing their youth. We have nothing of substance to offer. We are an aging church that still tries to live in the past. The fact that so many hoped Aaron Dean would be elected proves that point. So many want to live in the past, hoping that he could rescue the church. He can't, and thankfully will be unable to try to now that the church has selected John Elliot.

Anonymous said...

A lot of people in UCG do not believe the British Israelism teachings, and almost all disregard the Mystery of the Ages as a depository of truth. I have always found it boring and cannot understand the fascination so many have with it. The fact that we still present it as a necessary truth is baffling to me.

NO2HWA said...

BB, the Levite crap is a carry over from Pasadena HQ who trained their employees to believe that since they worked for the church they were spiritual Levites.

John said...

Lee T. Walker, Thursday, May 8, 2025 at 8:02:08 AM PDT, wrote:

John, I don’t remember that about Indianapolis and people questioning the succession. But it does fit. Do you have any documentation on that?
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Yes, there was documentation...transcripts of a lot of the information that was presented during that conference. Somebody (not sure who) gave me a hard copy years ago; I do not have an electronic copy. I've been on travel for about a month and won't return home for another 1 to 1 1/2 weeks. What I wrote was as much from my memory as I could recall.

Somebody must have an electronic version of the transcripts of the days during the conference, but I don't know who. Not sure if you asked Vic Kubik, or Swenson, or one of the other organizers for a copy.

John

Lee T. Walker said...

John, if there is a way that you can take a photo of it, I can be reached on TruthSocial at @LTWalker03.

Lee T. Walker said...

I should add that I have a funny feeling I wouldn’t get much positive response from those folks you mention. Based on feedback I’ve gotten, I know a few of the higher-ups among the ACOGs have heard of me. Not to brag.

Lee T. Walker said...

9:30 AM - Wasn’t Aaron Dean the one who wanted to change the UCG mission statement to literally say that their job was to perpetuate the teachings of Armstrong? It would fit.

I was actually kind of hoping he might win just to drive away their youth and to increase the Armstrong face on the fellowship to drive away prospective members.

Lee T. Walker said...

9:09 AM - Oh, come now. Can you really imagine God specifically prophesying about a jerk of the leader of a small cult like that, a leader whose biggest contribution to world history lies in befriending the king of Belgium and receiving a watch made out of a cannon ball? Do you believe Joseph Smith was prophesied? David Koresh? L. Ron Hubbard? There are billions of people on this planet, and tens, probably hundreds of thousands of religious movement. If the Bible is the Word of God, its Writer would have bigger fish to fry.

Lee T. Walker said...

R.L., do you mean the Project 2025 of the UCG, only without the attention? Oh, wait.

Anonymous said...

Oh wow! You mean all that time I was a spiritual Levite addressing all the PTs and TWs with my Cheshire labeler at Ambassador Press??? Bet they never realized that I was later actually employed by Cheshire!!!

BB

RSK said...

The throneless king of Belgium, at that...

Anonymous said...

If this is all the leadership can come up with, then they might as well dissolve UCG because i can gurantee you with 100% certainty that coming up with "skits to pay homage to HWA's first radio broadcast are gonna go over like a turd in a punchbowl.

Anonymous said...

Preaching about Mr Armstrong would be a false gospel. It would be losing sight of the true commission of the church. It would be "veneration of saints", glorifying ephemeral men rather than God and our Lord Jesus Christ.

If we must look back, then it is necessary to consider some awkward questions. Was everything preached true? Why didn't Christ return in "just a few short years" as he assured? Why have the man's institutions and edifices crumbled? Why are the daughters of the old church a third of what it once was, and severely divided?

Anonymous said...

Lee T. WalkerThursday, May 8, 2025 at 11:07:00 AM PDT asked:

John, if there is a way that you can take a photo of it, I can be reached on TruthSocial at @LTWalker03.
******
Yes, I will fulfill your request after I return home.

John

Anonymous said...

Honestly, I wish the church would go this deranged and extreme on HWA. So many young people (myself included) never really gave him a second thought. He was part of church history, but we had no idea he was the founder and orchestrator of this peculiar conglomeration of doctrine that is neither old covenant nor new covenant theology.

I never considered the dead guy when growing up and honestly knew very little about any of the years gone by. I just thought I was following “the truth” as defined by the pastors and booklets and parents. Until God smacked me so squarely across the face that I could’ve melted from the heat.

Is God a liar? Of course not. Then why is every word of the Lord called into question or given a different meaning? “That verse doesn’t mean that because if you look over here it says xyz (all lifted out of context and twisted).” Questioning why everything seemed to be saying Jesus wasn’t the truth ended with discovering the sordid past of HWA and how he concocted this religion by lying. Outright lying. Historical references lifted out of context. Plagiarism of other cult leaders and the like… so yes, preach HWA as the founder of your religion. That would be the most honest thing these cogs have ever done. Perhaps God will wake more people up.

Lee T. Walker said...

Thank you.

Anonymous said...

Ya know??? It's really a fool's errand to attempt to reform Armstrongism. If you go deep enough to actually get the job done, you are leaving the faith once delivered by quasi-Biblical character, "God's Apostle".

The doctrines of Armstrongism are actually responsible for producing the types of leaders the church always had. People hate the authoritarian ministers who micromanaged them, but laud the doctrines which caused the obsessive compulsive nature of these ministers. What a paradox!!! It's not unlike hating communist dictators, but loving the communism! In either case, one caused the other!

Anonymous said...

Rebellious teenagers of the ACOGs today don't realize how good they've got it! Burner phones for one thing. When I was a kid I got busted for smoking because when my Mom got suspicious she would smell my right hand. These days there is vaping. Parents would never know, because it doesn't leave an odor on clothing. Better transpo, too. Electric scooters and bikes. Computers in the public library for the kids whose parents won't allow them on the internet.
So many options we didn't have!

John said...

R.L., Thursday, May 8, 2025 at 9:05:00 AM PDT, said...
[[One problem is that Aaron Dean will NOT be UCG President. Results from the Council of Elders were announced Wednesday.

John Elliott will be President.

Peter Eddington was "runner-up," in an unusual admission. He'll be right-hand aide to Mr. Elliott.

Thus, Aaron Dean finished third out of three finalists. Did a white paper like this one hurt his cause?]]
******
John Elliott: who is he?
Peter Eddington: who is he?
Aaron Dean I know some.

The United Ass., professing to be God's Church, is just another manmade organization, another one of many factions established, headed up by hirelings who fled Pasadena, and WCG, to go off to do their own thing, striving to do better than HWA, but hoping that establishing another "WCG 2" gravy train for themSELVES, so with this election of John Elliott, when and who will pray to that God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob to tell Him that the United Ass. chose to dump Rick Shabi, and elect another one "of their own choice," especially if that God never had anything to do with their elections?

Will anyone tell God the Father to wake up His Son and then tell Jesus to get on the ball, because He now has another "new man" that was put in charge and Jesus needs to get to know him and must now work with him?

Of course, if God had anything to do with the United Ass. choice, then His Son is already aware of who he must now work with. Who really is in charge of the United Ass. anyway??????

And if God really were the One in charge, then how come He does not have the power to control one man (HWA?), or a Joe Tkach Sr., then how could have the power to control some council of a bunch of self-exalted men? Does anything really "add up" here: whether it be this United Ass., cogwAss., a Pack, Weston, Winnail, Weinland.....etc.?

Time will tell...

John

Anonymous said...

It seems as too many of the leadership of the ACOGs yearn for the old days of Worldwide and try to paint it as a glorious, wonderful almost millenial-type era. Well, i can promise it wasnt and it seems as if thet have elevated HWA into a messiah type of status. I was there and knew some of his relatives and the incest wasnt really questioned, it was more like it was taken as an awful event that occurred. I guess it was a grand time to be a minister and have all the perks and prestige, much like an old VH1 story about a rock band that was a headliner back in the 80s. All those foreign trips of HWA were basically worthless, no real evangelizing about the gospel of Christ was preached, just maybe some vague mentioning of "some unseen hand from someplace" It was usually a paid audience anyway. It really blows my mind how some of the leaders just seem to conveniently whitewash how out of control HWA was from about 1977 to his passing. They seem to just ignore the Kessler letter, his divorce from Ramona and its revelations plus just the fact that he refused all attempts by GTA & his family members for a reconcilation prior to his death. It seems as if their legtimacy is dependent on that of HWA being The end time apostle, quasi biblical figure.

Anonymous said...

Tell me about it 12:25?! I’ve been reflecting on how AI chatbots is changing so much like how it can write essays, novels, scripts, music, art etc. If I knew as a teen back in the ‘80s what I know now I would’ve spent less time wasted on my butt in front of my computer writing up my assignments—and those of my older sister too!—and more time hanging out with my friends and exploring, experimenting and experiencing life instead of worrying about school assignments and exams etc!

Avoura said...

"Designate January 16 (the anniversary of Armstrong’s death in 1986) as Heritage Day, held during Sabbath services" -- that might not be possible most years, as 16 January is not always a Sabbath. Or is this a new annual Sabbath for UCG? Those attending will no doubt be required to give offerings as well. The idolatry on this one is off the scale.

Avoura said...

The Kitchens can still offer Aaron Dean a leadership position in their own version of the WCG. They idolise HWA more than UCG do.

Avoura said...

I agree.

Avoura said...

When David Hulme was President of UCG back in the 1990s, he complained that they were not doing enough relating to HWA, so he left, set up COGaic, and said he was going to promote HWA, if I recall correctly.
Now that UCG have gone back to their vomit, will Hulme return to them?

Avoura said...

Are UCG doing this because they want it to start next year, exactly 40 years after he died? Especially as all the people HWA abused are probably all now dead or long gone from the church, or have forgotten all that happened?

Anonymous said...

UCG aren't doing any of this.

Anonymous said...

What's the ethnic makeup of UCG. Are these kids they speak of all Wypipo?

Anonymous said...

6:13 Herbert Armstrong never taught that NTBMO was Passover. If UCG members had the Feast of Tabernacles reduced to local areas only, then UCG would cease to exist overnight.

Anonymous said...

Only One Pastor, on earth really does understand HWA . Jon Brisby or Jon of God, as some call him. Our little Church has HWA blessings. All fear us and hate us. Pray for Mr Brisby to get power to influence the youth .

John said...

Lee T. Walker, Thursday, May 8, 2025 at 11:07:45 AM PDT, asked:

"John, if there is a way that you can take a photo of it, I can be reached on TruthSocial at @LTWalker03."
******
I have since returned home, and strived to locate you on that address you provided, but was unsuccessful, so I will strive to transcript some of it for you:

The document on page 1-1 is titled as follows:
Indianapolis Conference
Videotape 1
May 1, 1995 -- both morning sessions
(final 10 minutes of second session on Videotape 2))

Must go to page 1-23 for what we discussed on this thread shown above.
Transcript begins:
******
"...Bernie Monsalvo: Thank you very much, I am Bernie Monsalvo from the Big Sandy congregation. I have a question, not so much procedurally, but I think that people will have this question. It is that in the New Testament, you have the ministry of Melchizedek, which is entitled to pick up tithes and offerings from the people. I said, how do you present yourselves, in relationship to the ministry of Melchizedek? Are you claiming that the ministry of Melchiedek has moved from Pasadena to this new board of elders? Can you clarify that from Hebrews 7, how that has happened? Because you have got to explain that to the people; that this is the ministry of Melchizedek?

Dennis Luker: Well, I won't try to give you the answers off the top of my head, but if we are the ministers of Jesus Christ, then we are the ministers of Melchizedek and they don't have to be in any one location, do they? It's wherever they would be and wherever the people are. So we do recognize that we definitely are correct. We'll need to address that issue. And we can do so, whatever Board of Directors is elected. We know tha those things will need to - but remember the Board of Directors is not in charge. Right? Remember the chart, the organizational chart, remember the annual conference of all the elders? Also remember that this is transitional. But that issue will be addressed in more detail, when we have many of us together to discuss it, to make sure we give a proper and accurate answer..."
****** transcripted portion ends

Within the 2 paragraphs only the names Bernie Monsalvo and Dennis Luker are underlined (but I cannot do underlining in the transcript as underlining seems not to be allowed).

Anyway, this is my I.O.U to you fulfilled as I said I would send after returning home.

John

John said...

[[P.S. I checkspelled after sending out that transcript and found I needed to correct 2 words; Following is the transcript corrected. Please delete the previous reply.]]

Lee T. Walker, Thursday, May 8, 2025 at 11:07:45 AM PDT, asked:

"John, if there is a way that you can take a photo of it, I can be reached on TruthSocial at @LTWalker03."
******
I have since returned home, and strived to locate you on that address you provided, but was unsuccessful, so I will strive to transcript some of it for you:

The document on page 1-1 is titled as follows:
Indianapolis Conference
Videotape 1
May 1, 1995 -- both morning sessions
(final 10 minutes of second session on Videotape 2))

Must go to page 1-23 for what we discussed on this thread shown above.
Transcript begins:
******
"...Bernie Monsalvo: Thank you very much, I am Bernie Monsalvo from the Big Sandy congregation. I have a question, not so much procedurally, but I think that people will have this question. It is that in the New Testament, you have the ministry of Melchizedek, which is entitled to pick up tithes and offerings from the people. I said, how do you present yourselves, in relationship to the ministry of Melchizedek? Are you claiming that the ministry of Melchizedek has moved from Pasadena to this new board of elders? Can you clarify that from Hebrews 7, how that has happened? Because you have got to explain that to the people; that this is the ministry of Melchizedek?

Dennis Luker: Well, I won't try to give you the answers off the top of my head, but if we are the ministers of Jesus Christ, then we are the ministers of Melchizedek and they don't have to be in any one location, do they? It's wherever they would be and wherever the people are. So we do recognize that we definitely are correct. We'll need to address that issue. And we can do so, whatever Board of Directors is elected. We know that those things will need to - but remember the Board of Directors is not in charge. Right? Remember the chart, the organizational chart, remember the annual conference of all the elders? Also remember that this is transitional. But that issue will be addressed in more detail, when we have many of us together to discuss it, to make sure we give a proper and accurate answer..."
****** Transcripted portion ends

Within the 2 paragraphs only the names Bernie Monsalvo and Dennis Luker are underlined (but I cannot do underlining in the transcript as underlining seems not to be allowed).

Anyway, this is my I.O.U to you fulfilled as I said I would send after returning home.

John