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Church of God men have to be the weakest sex-crazed men who have ever walked this earth and who cannot control their minds or keep their pants zipped. At least that is the impression a group of "older ladies in the Church of God" seem to claim in a recently released "open letter" to the Churches of God concerning all of the immodest women flaunting themselves at church, at weddings, and the beach at Feast time.
Church of God men have to be the weakest sex-crazed men who have ever walked this earth and who cannot control their minds or keep their pants zipped. At least that is the impression a group of "older ladies in the Church of God" seem to claim in a recently released "open letter" to the Churches of God concerning all of the immodest women flaunting themselves at church, at weddings, and the beach at Feast time.
I am just going to post sections here. The link will be at the end for the entire article. (Photo's mine)
Why Immodesty is a Problem
Written by older ladies in the Church of God
(Please do NOT give this to teenagers younger than 18. Parents should read this and reveal as much as they feel their teens need to know.)
In coed sports, when male players accuse female players of trying to distract them with their skimpy outfits, it’s not usually taken seriously. But did you know that the same sort of feminine distractions are the cause of thousands of car accidents every day?! A study done in August 2022 discovered that, in Britain alone, nearly a million accidents a year are caused by drivers—mostly men— being distracted by attractive pedestrians and billboards! [1]
Given the way most women dress today, it’s highly unlikely that many of the women the drivers said they ‘could not help but look at’ were dressed modestly. And you can be almost certain that the beautiful women on the billboards— which many of the men said they ‘couldn’t tear their eyes away from’—were scantily clothed and posing seductively.
We older women remember how fun it was to turn heads and feel attractive to the opposite sex. Like most other young women, we didn’t understand what turned a guy on and were often surprised that something as innocent as a strap of a sundress falling off our shoulder could do it, or the wind accidentally blowing our skirt up. We now have a far better understanding of how those strange creatures called men, work. Of course, we’ve also included many comments from men as we thought it best to ‘go to the horses’ mouth,’ so to speak!
Acting or dressing in a sexy manner creates lust in men. Modesty, femininity, and
sweetness create a desire in men to care for and protect a woman.
The Western world’s morals are on a severe downward spiral with many music and movie stars taking provocative clothing and seductiveness to a whole new low. It likely makes most young women today feel quite modest in their strapless crop tops and mini-skirts, compared to the many outrageous outfits of so many idolized female pop stars.
But merely dressing less immodestly than pop stars is not what a godly woman should be striving for! As quoted by Tomorrow’s World magazine from an article in the magazine, Good Housekeeping, “Surviving Britney Spears”:
Parading through videos in cropped-tops and bikinis, she has incredible appeal to girls as young as eight or nine. Young teenagers are increasingly immersed in an erotic world. The results are quite evident…many, barely into their teens, look and act like prostitutes![11]
Do you really want your teen to be mistaken for a prostitute? But do you know what you are saying by the clothes you’re wearing!? Here is some wise advice that sums up the Biblical principle of modesty: ‘Wear clothes tight enough to show you’re a woman and loose enough to show you’re a lady.’
The same principle applies to any outfit that shows cleavage, is too short, or shows any part of your body that is meant to be kept private. A godly woman does not show off her body in any way. (If you’re not sure whether something is provocative, ask someone you trust—like your parents, a brother, or husband)
This excerpt from the same World Tomorrow magazine should help make it clear:
Skirts that are too short and tight, plunging necklines, high slits and other similar styles are designed to send a sexually seductive message to men. While many young women would deny this is their intention and say that it is just the style, their parents need to help them grasp that, regardless of their motive for doing so, they are projecting an image that is seductive and sexually arousing to men.[11]
A little further down:
Women must understand that most men will be attracted to and look at sexy women—even if they are happily married.
But, as strong as their sex drive is, the majority still value true love, a lasting relationship, and a family, above all else. And women who dress as sex objects are usually not taken seriously, whereas the modest, girl-next-door type are looked up to and valued. For a woman to mix sweet and innocent with sexy and alluring, confuses men, to say the least. Always dress for the type of woman you are!
One of the biggest mistakes women make with men is believing that when a man desires them sexually it means he likes and cares for them. The old saying is true: Women give sex to get love and men give ‘love’ to get sex. Of course, men are not giving love when they are ‘in lust’—they are only doing and saying whatever will get a woman to have sex with them!
Lust causes men to objectify and use women and even despise them because it is focused solely on satisfying the self. This is exactly what happened between Amnon and Tamar. (2 Sam 13) And it’s why ungodly men can have sex with any number of women with no feelings or concern for them whatsoever.
Job said, "I made a covenant with my eyes not to look lustfully at a young woman.” (Job 31:1 NIV)And Christ said, “Whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.” (Matt 5:28)
There is no such command for women! So don’t blame men because their thoughts can so often turn to sex, or because they are much more easily aroused—it’s the way God made them! And, whether a woman shows sexy body parts purposely or accidentally, makes no difference in how it can affect men. It is up to you to wear clothes that don’t even accidentally show off your body! As one long-time minister said,
“I really appreciate it when a woman keeps her top from gaping open as she bends over, to prevent me seeing something that might tempt me to sin.”
All women need to understand that, to a man, a woman acting or looking ‘sexy’ is offering herself to every man around.
So, he assumes it’s just a matter of which man she’ll choose to satisfy her—and him—sexually.
“Dear Girls, Dressing immodestly is like rolling around in manure.
Yes, you’ll get attention, but mostly from pigs!”
Sincerely, Real Men
Too many women know firsthand how aggressive and persistent men can be when they are crazy for sex. The severe emotional and bodily injury that can occur in rape are so disastrous that most women can never get past it. However, while a woman should never attempt to arouse sexual desire in a man other than her husband, she is never responsible for rape or abuse no matter how she acts or dresses! But if you aren’t offering sex, don’t send wrong messages by dressing or acting in a sexy manner!
And don’t think a man’s need for sexual release is somehow shameful—God made men that way! However, He does not condone men fulfilling their needs with any woman except his wife! The Bible addresses this need in marriage quite clearly:
“Do not deprive each other of sexual relations unless you both agree to refrain from sexual intimacy for a limited time so you can give yourselves more completely to prayer. Afterward, you should come together again so that Satan won’t be able to tempt you because of your lack of self-control.” (I Cor 7:5 NLT)
Most women can go weeks, months, and even years without the need for any kind of sex. Men aren’t made that way!
That’s why there are far more men indulging in pornography, strip shows, and sex for hire, than women. But it is not the desire that is evil, it is the way either men or women seek to fulfill that desire. It is meant to be shared in marriage only and wives who deprive their husbands of sex are causing their husbands to be tempted to find sex elsewhere and damaging their marriage big time. Just as food is not much of a temptation when your stomach is full, so a man who is satisfied sexually will be far less likely to be tempted than one who is deprived.
But Women Need to Control Their Wrong Desires too!
If you protest that men should just control themselves, you’re absolutely right! But it isn’t just men that are guilty of lust!
While some few women may be sex-driven, most women just want attention, admiration and affection. This is why so many women ‘compete’ with other women, resorting to immodest clothing as a common strategy. And, even when they know they’re getting the wrong kind of attention, or are even happily married, it’s why many women still want to dress in a provocative manner!
Lust for attention can be as addictive as a drug—and yes, it is lust if a woman’s desire to be admired leads her in wrong ways—like showing off her body or behaving immorally! That is Satan’s way, it is sinful, and it does not lead to any kind of lasting happiness. God tells us plainly: “A person who commits sexual immorality sins against their own body.” (I Cor 6:18)
A great many women flaunt their bodies shamelessly and not only don’t care if men are affected but do it on purpose to tease, get attention, manipulate men, or feed their vanity. This must not be a godly woman’s attitude. Hopefully this article is helping you understand how a man’s mind works so you will make better choices in your clothes—all of them!
Another single man put it this way: “The one place where I might think not to have to face temptation is at church. But this is not always the case! When ladies that I'm friends with dress immodestly, it definitely has a negative effect on our friendship. When she dresses immodestly, it doesn't make it easy to see her as a sister in Christ. There is a constant battle going on as I'm talking with her. Communication becomes more difficult because as I'm trying to listen to her, I am also trying to fight temptation. I also think some ladies just aren't aware.” [5]
Here is what one young man said: “…if I could say anything to the women in the church, it would be this: first, there is not a man I know that doesn't struggle in some way with lust. If they had any idea what went through guys' minds, it would probably vastly change the way they dress. Secondly, and I think most importantly, God has created his church to be a resting place for Christians, to be a place where people encounter God without all the distractions… It is disappointing when I walk into the church or an event with the church and have to deal with the same temptations that I face in the world, but I rejoice whenever I see a girl or woman that is attempting to serve the Lord (and guys) by dressing modestly.
You have no idea how sweet and challenging it is when I see a woman who has decided not to flaunt her body— like the culture shouts for her to do—but rather she has decided that serving the Lord and her brothers is more important.”
Further down:
From a minister in the United Church of God: “Virtually every man between the ages of 12 and 112 who has a normal set of male hormones responds to any female immodesty, overt sensuality or suggestiveness! The response may be lust and sexual arousal…But he may have another negative response, such as embarrassment, a compulsive curiosity to see more or annoyance at the distraction. If the man is trying to obey God, he may lament or resent the visual temptation that has provoked a mental battle within him. A man often has mixed feelings, being turned on and turned off at the same time.” [12]
Continuing:
This comment was from a college-age man: “The thing that women do not seem to fully grasp is that the temptation towards lust does not stop for us as men. It is continual. It is aggressive. It does all it can to lead men down to death. They [women] have a choice to help or deter its goal. Consider this message my appeal on behalf of the men for you to help us deter the goal of lust in our lives. To the girls who are ignorant, please serve your brother, and have your dad screen your wardrobe. Ask him how you can better choose holiness over worldliness. To the girls who don't follow the pattern of the world, thank you a million times over! You are following Scripture's commands and helping your brothers in the process.” [5]
Continuing further down:
One Church of God minister summed it up in a sermon: “The fellows who have a proper mind-set—who want to be Christians in every way—very much want to get to know the ladies around them. But if they are approached by a lady who is dressed so provocatively that every moment he’s with her he’s got to guard his thoughts about the obvious way she’s coming across—as a sexual object—he can’t think about her personality; he can’t think about a conversation he might have with her. He’s too busy—as a Christian—trying to block out all those things that are slapping him in the face wanting to get his attention in the wrong way.”
“One of our young men said in a sermonette that he had gone to a warm-weather Feast site and the ladies in the Church were wearing bikinis. Now I would submit to you—in a public setting—how would a bikini ever be proper?! A Church setting at the Feast of Tabernacles and OUR ladies in OUR Church are wearing bikinis!? How is that ever justifiable?! And the people this man was talking about were not teenagers. They were in their twenties and past, so this is not just for our teens.” [2]
Look at this excerpt from a church bulletin: “Dear sisters, On behalf of and for the benefit of men who are seeking to live in accordance with the will of God and to keep themselves pure and holy, to the end that you not encourage them to lust, and for your own eternal welfare, please do not call undue attention to yourself or expose yourself by wearing immodest apparel. Godly men do not want to see your thighs—or more—in clothing that is too short, your cleavage in tops that are too low, your navels in tops that are too short, your undergarments in clothing that is too thin, nor the curves and characteristics of your bodies in clothing that is too tight. Please look in the mirror at yourself—front and back—and ask yourself if your attire is becoming one professing godliness. You may need to make some changes. A brother in Christ” [2]
Further down the article, after telling women what they should wear, there is this:
Strive to look Sweet rather than Saucy; Feminine rather than Foxy;
Classy rather than Sassy!
Having to fight ungodly impulses may cause many men to just stay away from women who dress or act in any manner that compromises their walk with God, including any such women in Church. And a man who is looking for a wife will likely feel some aversion to a woman who is willing to show off her body for all other men. Men are not as shallow as some women think, especially men who are striving to be godly! They greatly prize a woman who keeps her body hidden in respect for herself and others.
Some older men even feel obliged to turn down requests to speak to the teens in their congregation because the young girls dress so provocatively! Parents need to make sure their teenage daughters are taught how to dress and act modestly and—as long as they are living at home—that the parent’s rules are followed! A minister should never have to correct teenagers on this point. That is the parents’ job! (No one said raising children was easy!) Remember your children are also holy, so see that they dress as becomes holy people! (I Cor 7:14)
It is highly unlikely that any woman would become sexually aroused simply by how a man dresses! But, as the young men in the survey above confirmed, virtually every one of them said they would be tempted to lust if a woman is dressed immodestly!
And please remember that when you come before God in a worship service, your clothing should be especially modest and not distracting! If a woman is going to be on a stage—such as for special music—her skirt will appear several inches shorter because the audience is looking up at her. And do you really think a woman who is dressed immodestly should be teaching our children, playing for hymns, providing special music, signing for the deaf, or any other such service in church?
Another perspective is from a minister in Church of the Great God: “I cannot help wondering where the husbands in the church are when their wives come to Sabbath services with thin tops and bras, leaving nothing to the imagination of the other men in the congregation. Ladies, if you do not have a husband attending with you, or you are single, please check your clothing by looking in a mirror before you come. Is your blouse too tight and gaping open? When you sit down, are you well covered? Whatever you see in that mirror, we see! Do you fathers monitor your teenagers' clothing?” [14]
Besides sitting in front of a mirror, lean over to see what is revealed if your blouse gapes open. Look at yourself from the back and sides. Your bottom and thighs should not be visible through your clothing, nor should they be outlined by tight clothing. If they are, your clothes are immodest.
There is a lot more in the article. Find it here: Why Immodesty Is A Problem
31 comments:
While I do believe clothing can say something about a person, it is not a woman's responsibility to prevent a man from sinning. That is on the man and the man only. I find most of this article disgusting.
"So don’t blame men because their thoughts can so often turn to sex, or because they are much more easily aroused—it’s the way God made them!" - This doesn't mean God made them to lust and to sin. So yes we can and should blame men and ONLY men when they do this.
"Whether a woman shows sexy body parts purposely or ACCIDENTALLY, makes no difference in how it can affect men. It is up to you to wear clothes that don’t even ACCIDENTALLY show off your body!" - this and many other parts of the article means it doesn't matter even if a woman tries because even on accident when she may only realise after the fact, it's somehow still a woman's fault when a man sins against her.
"Some older men even feel obliged to turn down requests to speak to the teens in their congregation because the young girls dress so provocatively!"
This is extremely concerning. If any older man is looking at any young adults and children this way then you should be locked up. You are a pedophile.
Vile article. Vile beliefs. One of my favourite verses in the Bible is where it tells you to gouge out your eyes. So men, if you want to blame women for your lack of self control, please, gouge those eyes out. Feel the pain that you inflict upon women unnecessarily all the time with your dumbass rules.
If even it supposedly makes men sin when a woman shows anything (even shoulders!) even on accident then what difference does it make? Men harass and rape women even when they are fully clothed head to toe. I've seen this happen. I have been harassed while dressed fully covered besides my head and arms. It literally makes no difference. What about at a pool? When women wear swimming costumes (and I'm not even talking about bikinis)? Men shouldn't go to these places then in that case. Why go to places that causes you to sin and tempt God then (since "God made men that way")? Any man who believes this article and blames women ARE the problem. They are the perverts and pedos. It's a man's problem if they can't keep their comments and hands and sausages to themselves. God may have made women attractive but he didn't make men to sin. He made us all capable of learning self control EQUALLY. It's not a women's responsibility to prevent a man from sinning. The fact that even a shoulder supposedly tempts a man (no where to be found in the Bible) then that leaves women not very much wiggle room. If it's up to women to prevent men then men can do the work too by walking around with blindfolds on.
And the part where it mentions older men refuse to talk to teens because of temptations. Well then, get yourself on the sex offender list then. You deserve to be locked up because that is extremely concerning that you would look at teens and children that way.
And no where in the Bible does it specify all the body parts that cause men to sin such as the freaking shoulders. So as per, this is men making up rules and using God to say they can't help it because God made them that way.
Some men are attracted to feet. 🤮 It's a lot subjective as well. So indeed, are we to walk around in a blanket with NOTHING on show because that's how they act.
Men lack self control but as usual men don't ever want to be seen as the problem so they'll never address their own flaws but only blame women for them.
Again, men: GOUGE OUT YOUR EYES.
And if men supposedly can't help it because "God made them that way" then wow what a sinful bunch you are! What do you do when not around "modest" women (according to your non biblical standards)? You definitely won't be making it into the Kingdom! Our sins are our own. Take accountability. You act upon something lacking self control then that's a you problem.
Many Church men are touch (as simple as hand holding) and sex deprived since these COGS provide the smallest dating pool and ridiculous courting and engagement rules. COGS are "forbidding in marriage" as written in the Bible. Purity culture at its finest. When men in the Church do get married, it is rushed and as taught in RCG, needs to happen within 4 months and at most 6 months from the time of engagement to marriage to prevent sin. It becomes all about sex and the women's duty to provide sex. That opens up for a lot of abuse especially when it's heavily taught that women must submit and not withhold sex. I remember a minister in RCG actually said women should be giving to their husbands at least three times a week at minimum.
Attending funerals these days is what puzzles me on why the skirts are so hiked up & short at such a solemn gathering. Younger girls & adult women will still dress up at funerals, but especially there is when the respectful modesty has went out the window in modern trends.
Maybe there are some scriptures for women to be careful too, such as Eze. 23:20. But these that the article cited regarding the bible's warning for men to be on guard over their inner desires is more obvious in sermons etc. than warnings for women :
"There is no such command for women! So don’t blame men because their thoughts can so often turn to sex, or because they are much more easily aroused—it’s the way God made them! And, whether a woman shows sexy body parts purposely or accidentally, makes no difference in how it can affect men. It is up to you to wear clothes that don’t even accidentally show off your body!"
"All women need to understand that, to a man, a woman acting or looking ‘sexy’ is offering herself to every man around. So, he assumes it’s just a matter of which man she’ll choose to satisfy her—and him—sexually."
There certainly is astonishing warning in Eze. 23:20, land sakes!
could not locate the footnotes anywhere.
''...nearly a million accidents a year are caused by drivers—mostly men— being distracted by attractive pedestrians and billboards! [1]
would like to test this one as it seems strange.
I hate to agree so much with a COG writer, but truth is truth. The writer is absolutely correct (from what I've read).
It's not that COG men are the "weakest sex-crazed men who have ever walked this earth"; they are simply part of the world, which is saturated in hypersexualization -- to the point it now seems "normal."
It doesn't help men when their churches are taught that the Bible doesn't say m@sturbation is sinful (another flaw of sola scriptura). I've had probably two former COG members, and one Baptist, tell me they see nothing wrong with m@sturbation as long as it's not accompanied by lustful thoughts.
And pronography is ubiquitous, most often first seen during childhood. It warps the mind.
The problem is that we don't think about sex enough -- that is to say, we don't consider or realize how sacred it is, intended by God to be used in marriage primarily for procreation, and also to more perfectly bind the man and wife for the sake of raising and educating any children that come from their love.
But when seen as a recreational activity, or something "fun," a harmless "activity" that says, "Hey, I like you" or "I think you're hot" -- then sex is extremely harmful. It promotes self-centeredness and the objectification of others.
I've seen so many bad decisions and ruined lives as a direct result of following the lead of their crotches. Don't tell me you haven't seen (or done) the same.
Rightly ordered, sex is a beautiful gift. Out of place, it brings us to ruin.
Lust is a serious sin, and immodest dress only fuels it. The woman who thinks nothing of disrespecting herself and her (future?) husband by revealing parts of her body that only her husband should see does a great disservice. It harms her own soul as well as those who are vulnerable in this area.
Look all around. You know I'm right about society's hypersexualization. COG men are not the only ones who suffer from it. It's everyone. YOU TOO.
I've found great freedom through daily prayer and frequent Confession, but even I can't afford to think I stand, lest I fall.
"For all that is in the world—the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride of life—is not from the Father but is from the world. And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever" (1 John 2:16-17).
This letter from the older ladies is so outdated that it's pathetic!
First of all, look around you! From the times of the first war in Iraq, so many women have passed through the military. These days, girls kick ass! A repressive cult like an ACOG would not attract strong independent women such as these. It would attract the types of women who want to be your basic house frau, and wish to subject themselves to men with a need to take charge of the family and be in control.
Secondly, large corporations have curtailed much of the blatantly sexy attire that was so popular as recently as the '90s. This has worked in favor of the women's movement, and female authority, as most career women want to be taken seriously, as opposed to being objectivized. As one who is in and out of many businesses every day, I can honestly tell you that I used to be led around through my daily activities by my libido, because at that time, the way many women dressed was nearly like soft porn. That all dried up and went away to the point that now, women who dress provocatively are looked down upon in the corporate world.
In the supermarket and on the street, one sees women old and young, who have deliberately uglified themselves with horrible fucked up tattoos, no semblance of planning or artistic flair involved. Why do this? One often feels compassion and great sorrow for burn victims whose skin and beauty has been destroyed by an unfortunate accident. Many otherwise attractive women have in so many cases deliberately made themselves look much worse than burn victims, and probably don't even realize how they really look. These tats are the new normal. When the trend first began, owners of businesses who dealt directly with the public would not hire individuals with excessive tats. The trend has become so pervasive that if a business owner rejects applicants based on tattoos, he or she would be unable to staff the business.
There's always going to be "little miss hottie at the club", but most church members are not going to be frequenting such venues. They're not even supposed to like the kinds of music that's commonly played for dancing. Crime has also dictated how women out on the town dress. Everyone realizes that in a perfect world, men would control themselves regardless of how tantalizingly a woman dresses. But the crime statistics have caused many women to cover up for their own protection. They're no longer dressing like the disco queens many of these older church ladies resented back when they were young.
Want to know what's really sad??? It's sad that this type of letter is the only way women in a repressive organization can have a voice!
you can't have women shakin' or showin' their jiggly boobies around & expect the poor men to not go ga-ga over it
it's why society isn't a gigantic nudist colony
it's also why a high school p.e. gym class has separate boys locker rooms & girls locker rooms, ay caramba
These "older" women said:
""So don’t blame men because their thoughts can so often turn to sex, or because they are much more easily aroused—it’s the way God made them!" - This doesn't mean God made them to lust and to sin. So yes we can and should blame men and ONLY men when they do this.
"Whether a woman shows sexy body parts purposely or ACCIDENTALLY, makes no difference in how it can affect men. It is up to you to wear clothes that don’t even ACCIDENTALLY show off your body!" - this and many other parts of the article means it doesn't matter even if a woman tries because even on accident when she may only realise after the fact, it's somehow still a woman's fault when a man sins against her.
"Some older men even feel obliged to turn down requests to speak to the teens in their congregation because the young girls dress so provocatively!"
I am a woman who grew up in the church from a child to today, and I guess I am an older woman. I find this article to be totally disgusting!
If a minister in a congregation has these kinds of feelings when around women, then he is either a pervert or a pedophile and needs to be kicked out of the ministry immediately!
While there is so good in the article, it is BAD, really BAD!
3:39 anon. writes very accurate, the real deal
I think "Prairie Dresses" are HOT!
High schools don't have separate locker rooms anymore, now it's what u identify as that day
Hannibal Lecter told Agent Clarice she had shapely feet
I like Mexican peasant dresses! And if the lady has long dark hair and wears a Panama hat, wellllll.....,,,,,,
I said, I agree clothing says something about a person so of course I don't condone women "shakin' or showin' their jiggly boobies" (weird way of saying it but okay) but that still doesn't mean you can blame the woman and NOT the man for acting upon something. We are all responsible for our own actions. If a woman is doing that then she lacks self respect for herself but it doesn't mean a man can go ahead and touch and rape her. Lust from afar? Well if they are naked then that is inevitable. It's hard not to look but you CAN keep your hands and your private parts to yourself. You can turn around and walk out such a place as well.
I agree. There are parts in the article that is good but it is mostly a bad and VERY bad article. What I can't stand is that in the COGS, it's always what the women do. It's always the women's fault. While a man can experience thoughts if a woman would be walking around naked or a certain way, it doesn't mean you can go ahead and harass, touch and harm the woman. Men can keep their thoughts and their hands to themselves. This article and many I've read in each COG as well as something I read in the Ambassador College classes all blame women and only women when a man ACTS upon the thoughts and that is just completely unacceptable and disgusting. It is so harmful to teach that women invite men to touch them simply because of something they wear or if a shoulder strap slips by accident because this just teaches that men can do whatever they want so as long as they deem a woman to have dressed immodest. In the COGS, this teaching is made more harmful because they teach that wearing spaghetti straps, off the shoulder, halter necks, a skirt slightly above the knee or a few inches up to name a few examples is immodest and this invites Men to think and do what they please which just encourages church men TO have these thoughts and possibly act on them... After all, it's the womans fault right? The men get away with it. Those examples I mentioned are taught in all the COGS. Those examples are NOT immodest. Then church men will argue and use an example of women "shakin' and showin' their jiggly boobies" as if women in the Church are ever doing this? You won't find COG men frequenting at places where women are naked or semi naked. Of course, men may see certain things in public on a normal day but that's still not a woman inviting a man in. Men can look down/look away and walk on and ignore it. They don't need to stop in their tracks and say or do anything and if any man does then that's not the women's fault.
Also, women can find certain shirtless men attractive and we have thoughts too so then at the swimming pools, men should wear t shirts to cover up then. Likewise, bulges in suit pants and other trousers is also often visible so they should all start wearing baggy pants then. This is why this teaching is so pathetic. It's always only targeted at women. Both genders are capable of having lustful thoughts and both genders are capable of doing harmful things. Likewise, both are equally capable of learning self control. Own your own sins.
The swimming costumes vs bikinis is nonsense too. You can see the boobs and nips just as much in both. You see the cold nips and non supported boobs more in a one piece costume. You see more cleavage in a bikini top sure, but at least most the time boobs are more supported and less dangling than a one piece. In a on piece, you may see just as much bum cheeks as in a bikini and both a one piece and bikini can offer full bum coverage depending what you buy so again, no difference. The only difference then is the midriff which if men are "sinning" based on a midriff then that's just ridiculous. 🤣
What offends me is the priorities in these groups. I've heard sermons bring up women's appearance, but these same ministers treat their members as having no rights. To them, optics and their rules matter, but people's lives are viewed as cheap.
What is the ACOG position (or is there any) on women shaving their genitals? Seems silly to ask, because it's such a deeply personal matter, but Armstrongism has a history of giving out answers for everything, and regulating minutiae. Some husbands and wives like the shaved look. It also seems much more hygienic.
Perhaps one of the mature ACOG women who wrote the open letter could share insights?
I've been to Tanzania numerous times. Women will sit next to others on a small bus and openly breast feed their babies. I've seen women walk into church bare chested with a baby on her breast. No problem for most people. How would the C of G deal with this custom?
regurgitating their pharisaical mindset, ready to stone women, while sin stains their own hypocritical heart.
and now, be ye wary & en-guarde at the sight of a man's testes/"junk in the trunk" be-dangling outta his speedo on NBC at the Paris Olymiqué by a backstage extra during his randy performance with Phillippe Katrine j'ai une!
Addictive Apps like Tik Tok are "look at me" and narcissistic personality attractors/creators. Young girls use it to show off themselves and when the show gets old and the views lessen, self-worth goes down the drain, a bit of depression sets in and a false view of themselves gets reinforced, so they try harder and the cycle repeats.
I went to AC and while they might have told women to be sure not to dress immodestly, the girls dressed nicely and were often very attractive. A girl that knows how to dress and how to accentuate her features is doing a lot better than the 1)overly modest girl or the 2)overly immodest girl...both are red flags to me.
We were never told that our behavior was dependent on the girl's dress. While I certainly don't think some guy is a pedo or the like if they say they don't want to be around teen girls. But, it does make me think the guy is low class and a cad. Just because someone is attractive doesn't make me lust after her.
Who's fooling who with both sides of these arguments?
Women are seen as nothing less than sexual objects by church males and even other women. A woman's worth is according to how attractive she is perceived by "church standards" across the broad spectrum of the entire splintered churches of God.
So I ask again Who's fooled by this post?
Perhaps some further education would be of value. If the guys in the church spent hours in their local Gentlemens' Club, getting lap dances, it would desensitize them and make them less naive. I personally don't do that any more, but certainly explored that avenue in the past. The funniest thing that ever happened to me in one of the clubs was that my son and his girlfriend walked into my favorite one, "busting" me. It was just one of those priceless bonding moments. I introduced them to my favorite dancers, and we bought each other dances. When I left at closing time, there was a note on a napkin on my windshield that read "We love you, Daddy!" Signed by both of them.
Something COGlodytes will never understand!
While there are bits of sense in the article, it does throw the blame for any temptation fully on the women!
The writers seem to assume that a man can't control himself at all, so women must ensure men are protected from temptation at all times.
In reality in general women in the COGs are dressed more modestly than the world. So how will a male church member ever cope at his workplace, in shops, and particularly at a beach, mingling with worldly people! It would seem that a man would not be able to control himself in such a situation, according to this article.
How about a bit of reality. God expects both men and woman to be able to control themselves. When he placed a naked Adam and Eve in Eden, they were married, but did God think Adam would be in a perpetual state of temptation with Eve? Although naked I think God was expecting them to both be able to do other things as well, like a bit of dressing and keeping the garden!
How about professionals - male doctors who maybe have to perform intimate examinations of woman. I think the vast majority of male doctors are able to cope with this with little problem.
In families brothers and sisters in general can get along in a platonic way. Is it so difficult to get on with brothers and sisters in the church in a platonic way too?
I think the flock & family under Garner Ted's COGlodyte pastorate treated him with the same mercy/forgiveness found on that simple napkin note.
"Who's fooling who with both sides of these arguments?
Women are seen as nothing less than sexual objects by church males and even other women. A woman's worth is according to how attractive she is perceived by "church standards" across the broad spectrum of the entire splintered churches of God.
So I ask again Who's fooled by this post?"
I feel sorry for you. I can only wonder what kind of life you've had, and the people you've been around, to make you think such a thing.
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