Plates Shift, Fire Flows, Waters Surge.....And Its Not God
"Hello, I am God, I'm here in person because it's really important we have a talk. I want you to be happier than this so let's have a chat and I'd be happy to answer any and all questions you might have about why and how and when anytime. Now if you are a fundamentalist I will ask you let others who don't know all the answers be allowed to ask their questions first..."
But alas, God only threatens humans, and always does it through the minds, voices in the heads of, and observations of mortal humans who think they know. All that a Bible literalist can say is that God "could" do it that way, but he chooses not to. I say that something that important deserves clear and concise communication with humans and to definitely not leave us with so much doubt and confusion.
The same God who "spanked" nations and empires in centuries past is still very much in charge. He says, "For I am the Lord, I do not change" (Malachi 3:6) And as we will see, God is punishing us through various natural disasters. Even as our personal and national sins are increasing, so are floods, tornadoes, severe snowstorms and earthquakes. Thus, many of today's so-called "acts of God" are, in fact, just that-the active intervention of Almighty God. And it is just beginning. Natural calamities are going to get much worse unless we as a nation repent and turn to the true God in heartfelt obedience. Roderick Meredith-Who Controls the Weather.
On the other hand...
Because hurricanes form over warm ocean water, it is easy to assume that the recent rise in their number and ferocity is because of global warming.
But that is not the case, scientists say. Instead, the severity of hurricane seasons changes with cycles of temperatures of several decades in the Atlantic Ocean. The recent onslaught "is very much natural," said William M. Gray, a professor of atmospheric science at Colorado State University who issues forecasts for the hurricane season.
Weather, especially as observed by the superstitious and uneducated, either by choice or circumstances has always been the tool of the angry God of history who is "trying" to get mankind's attention before He simply has to destroy him once and for all. So much for the idea that after man's creation, "behold it was very good." The Deity needs to make up his mind about us or rethink His original design. It's not our fault! Perhaps we are the one proof of Unintelligent Design....
All through human history, the weather has puzzled humans. Lightning was the result of some activity of the gods. Zeus threw it around at his enemies and his voice was the thunder. Baal was the rain god to whom allegiance must be pledged or there would be drought. ...it is this superstitious use of natural cycles and phenomenon of weather that is still being used to beat and drive people fear- ridden into the arms of waiting churches and pastors who will motivate their loyalty with the same tirades of Isaiah, Jeremiah and Ezekiel, who we know were mistaken not a few times.
Listen very carefully. Weather is weather. One more time - Weather is weather. It's normal and natural. It is NOT a Deity doing its BEST to get in touch. That idea is simply leftover from a time when men did not understand the forces that governed their world and assigned them meaning that worked at that time, but is NOT the way to motivate sincere humans who have enough on their plate learning to coexist with what is.
Hurricanes always happen where they are prone to happen based on natural cycles and conditions generated by the planet. The SE United States has a coastal profile that shows how many millions of years this erosion has been going on - quite naturally and I dare say before humans ever spent a night in the SE United States. Back then, I suppose Cat. 5 Hurricanes were not tools the gods had thought of using to get the wildlife to come to their senses.
The SE United States has a coastal profile that shows how many millions of years this erosion has been going on - quite naturally and I dare say before humans ever spent a night in the SE United States. Back then, I suppose Cat. 5 Hurricanes were not tools the gods had thought of using to get the wildlife to come to their senses.
Volcanoes are very natural and are not tools of the gods. They just are the natural result of plate tectonics as are earthquakes. Unfortunately, when humans live on their slopes, or where plates shift, or where tornadoes form, or droughts are wont to occur, we have to find a reason other than the simple fact that we are living in harms way that for the most part does not visit us. I feel deeply for the suffering that all must be going through in New Orleans after this recent hurricane Katrina. But we also have to know that EVERYONE knew that if this ever happened... then this would happen!
When a city or house sits on the sand or in a bowl 20 feet below sea level, next to the sea, someday it will find itself in deep trouble as the normal forces on this planet play out their dance.
The citizens of Herculaneum at the foot of Vesuvius learned this the hard way as well. Today one can see the casts left of where humans died, in detail, covered by the ash that so quickly ended their lives. It's nice to live on the coast with beautiful beaches. It's nice to live at the foot of cone shaped mountains with incredibly fertile soil. It's nice to live in the Midwest United States and grow corn. It's nice to live in Southern California....ok, it used to be nice, or Hawaii, or in the Ring of Fire. But when the earth, which has it's own maintenance system does what it does, there is a chance humans might somewhere find themselves in harms way. It is just that simple. Reaching out to explain natural phenomenon, humans have always imagined the motives of the gods for bringing such things upon them and taking natural processes way too personally. We do this because humans have consciousness they have to work with. Consciousness makes us ask "why us?" Animals don't tend to wonder about such things at their level of consciousness.
We know this and I suspect you know this too, but our superstitious natures combined with believing the Bible speakers must be really really speaking for a real God who does such things, gets in the way of our common sense and vastly improved understanding of such things. We still can't let the facts of what humans know in 2005 AD override the sacred texts of thousands of years gone by. In our heads we know that science has shown us a better way to view things, but in our hearts we just can't let go of the Act of God attitude.
Volcanoes were the homes of the gods for most of human history. Volcanoes are impressive. And we are so very small in relation to them. Earthquakes were the shaking of the earth by the gods. Hail was the throwing of rocks at mankind by the gods. Droughts, quite normal on the planet in their cycles, come and go, but in most of human thinking were the gods way of getting even or pounding humanity into obedient submission. I suspect the priesthood has something to do with the interpretation of events even then.
The assigning of a wrong theological meaning to a natural event for the way the planet works, is a serious mistake in our fundamentalist society. It misleads and frightens people into behaviors that are not helpful and beliefs that are not true.
I'm reminded of some of the biting humor of Sam Kineston who noted that people in the Sudan, starving and standing in nothing but blowing sand did not need food and water...they needed luggage....they needed to mooooooooooooove! as he would yell.
I would also be more impressed with the "Ten Plagues" of the Exodus story were they not common phenomenon to the region. If you have ever been to the Middle East, plagues of flies, frogs, lice, cattle diseases and such are part of normal daily life at times. Water to blood, not so much, but that's another story. And of course killing firstborn was a way of life in one sacrificial form or another in that day and time. Nothing really all that special.
Now if one is to be really impressive let them be:
1. The plague of Polar BearsMaking religious plagues out of common local phenomenon is not very plaguey. It's just more dramatic every day stuff and the things the locals are aware of in their small world.
2. The plague of Eastern Diamondback Rattle Snakes
3. The plague of angry Kangaroos and Dingoes
4. The plague of LA Smog
5. The plague of biting Chimps
6. The plague of South American Capybara
7. The plague of South Carolina Humidity
8. The plague of being forced to listen to a sermon in LCG, PCG, RCG, okay even WCG, but I suspect that sermon would be very nicey nicey!
9. The plague of a Buffalo, NY Blizzard
10. The plague of ..... ummmm, well you make one up...
Through the pages of the Bible we are told that God will bless those who obey Him, with rain in due season and abundant harvests and peace in the land (Lev. 26:3-6, Deut. 28:12). In fact, we're told that because of obedience to God, our blessings will actually "overtake" us (Deut. 28:1-2). Conversely, we are told that if we disobey God, he will negatively affect the weather; withholding rain (Zech. 14:16-17) and even His "tender mercies" - which can include his protection (Ps. 40:11). God promises to punish the world and the wicked for their evil -- even shaking the heavens (Isa. 13:13). From the writings of King David, we understand that God will chasten or correct those that He loves. David requested that God "remove" His plague (or punishment) from him (Ps. 39:10). Ibid
Yes, this is true, the Bible does say these things. But they are not really true just because the bible says so and this is where the fighting starts in the minds of most. We simply have a terrible time getting past the idea that ideas about why things are as they are, or have occurred as they have occurred as seen through the eyes of people from past ages, uneducated in how things really work on the planet and long dead, are wrong.
We forget that the same book calls a bat a bird (Lev. 11:13-19, and yes, I know the apologetics) and tells us the sun functions from "it's rising in the East until it's setting in the West," is simply wrong. (Ever notice how all "unclean" animals are middle eastern animals or simply those known to the locals? They left a lot of things off the list I might not choose to eat on other parts of the planet, had they known there were other people and parts of the planet.)
Of course these things appear to be so, but the authors had no clue that a bat was a mammal and not a bird and I guess he never looked. I suspect had they ever seen one, a flying squirrel, or snakes that glide from tree to tree, might also have made the bird list. And, of course, they had no clue the earth rotated, or the planet was not the center of the solar system. This little scientific correction would cost some their lives.
So here we have the "God loves us so much he has to spank us when we go astray" mind virus. It is a mantra we simply say when we aren't thinking. A repeat of a meme that has been pumped into our being when bad things happen to people.
So from the Bible we learn weather is ....
A. Not natural but attention getters from the Deity.
B. Inflicted upon mankind because God loves us so much yet can't take the time to personally chat with us without all the drama. God has few counseling tools at his disposal so simply throws tantrums to get our attention.
C. You ain't seen nothing yet, so stay tuned to our literature and presiding evangelist.
D. Proof positive that, once again, Jesus is almost ready to return in YOUR lifetime.
E. Don't try to explain it and don't ask questions about "why does the Deity treat us this way" because He's in world of think all his own and you are never going to get a straight answer in your lifetime. This is simply a human conclusion when, as conscious human beings, we tend to need to find reasons beyond "you were just in the wrong place when natural phenomenon occurred." It is not, in fact, the truth of how life works. It's difficult to say..."I guess I should not have built my house upon the sand."
F. But don't worry. It's all part of a big plan and it's all going to work out just fine and we'll all live happily ever after once we get with the program, which I just happen to have for you, come join our happy throng and bring a 10% down payment - to bless our work.
You'll learn that it's mostly God, but sometimes Satan who controls the weather though the little stuff is just weather. Oh no, how do we tell the difference? I also have wondered if a Cat. 3 storm is from God to teach us a lesson, or does He only speak through Cat 4 and 5? Or if a volcano erupts in a remote area, is that just for fun, or is it considered a near miss? How many have to die in a natural cycle drought before it's not just a drought but a warning. When it rains again and life goes on as before, is it because the Deity gave up on trying to change their evil ways and said "oh heck, let it rain, I've go to go bash some Europeans into obedience because I love them."?
Ok, what's the point? I fully understand those who adopt the idea that "God said it, I believe it, that does it for me." That is how we have been so deeply programmed. We shudder to even think that anything in the Bible might simply not be accurate or true or relevant. We can't wrap our minds around the idea that Ezekiel or the prophets were just humans, perhaps fairly normal, perhaps traumatized by the collapse of their temple worship cult, perhaps a bit daft or clinically unbalanced or not really inspired by some Deity of the day. It feels blasphemous to even consider the idea that prophecy is not really prophecy and or that what might be has no relevance to us today. I fully understand the reaction to taking a different view and challenging the mind virus that is such a part of our theological mindset. I simply believe that humans, who struggle to give meaning to every event in life on this planet, often assign it the wrong meaning and do as much harm to the human spirit and mind as natural phenomenon can do to us when we get in the way.
I also have grown to take exception with those who fill their coffers, pad their nests and boast their own egos with fear tactics that they have long since stopped realizing they are doing. It becomes such a habit to motivate the faithful with the "signs of the times" that one gets locked into doing it every time bad things happen to basically good people. Within HOURS of a natural disaster, meaning from the gods is assigned to the event and the conclusions are sent out post haste to motivate the faithful. After all, timing is everything in religious motivation techniques.
So... Who Controls the Weather? I guess it depends on what one needs to believe to better bring order to their world. That has always been the case in all of human history. No rain=God is mad at us. Rain=God is happy with us. Sunshine and cool breezes=God is happy with us. Cat 4 or better hurricane=Uh oh, God is mad at us and this is a spanking, you ain't seen nothing yet, Jesus is coming soon, write for our free booklets, join our church, now your are protected and see it all works out nicely.
There is a Buddhist proverb that seems to sum up nicely what one tends to learn in the course of a normal life.
When I was young, mountains were just mountains, rivers were just rivers and trees were just trees.
But then I was told that mountains are not JUST mountains, and rivers are not JUST rivers, and trees are not JUST trees.
But now that I am older, I know, that mountains are just mountains, rivers are just rivers and trees are just trees...
And I know it bites at our core sometimes with all the background we have had in Bible prophecy, the tribulation, vials, plagues, trumpets and the scenarios of the Second Coming, but in fact, and whether or not we understand it...weather is just weather. We live on a planet with natural meteorological and geological process that sometimes put our puny selves in harms way.
May we all find a way to extend comfort and help to those who need it and are in pain and afraid for their own futures. And may those so inclined to assign meaningless meanings to motivate the faithful, please stop and think for a change. Whether you understand or whether you do not - understand Weather or the planet we call home...it just happens.
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27 comments:
Oh, Dennis! Can't you just accept the common wisdom of insurance companies which call such things "Acts of God" and hence, not cover the damage?
Seriously, a great tragedy far beyond, "We're sorry for your loss".
Naturally, all the blessings and cursings are nonsense, and all signs of the end-time, because the scriptures themselves are nonsense, as is all faith in anything higher than our own 'divine' selves.
So predictable....your juvenile rants remind me of my four-year-old at her worst, but they do provide for some hysterical moments around the 'ole water-cooler....
P.S. Oh, thanks for the link to www.ashininglight.info, some wonderful inspired revelation there....
Believing an atheist who quotes scripture is like trusting a murderer with a butcher knife.
Sorry, all you have to offer is 100% bitterness and 0% credibility.
Thanks. Dennis. You sure know how to put things in perspective. Why didn't we ever hear this kind of balanced and fair report when we were in that f&#@ed-up cult? I guess because the money wouldn't flow as freely. I bet you'll never hear THIS truth in a COG! You think COGs have their followers by the balls now. Just wait until the sacrifices start up in Jerusalem.
I'm waiting for the reports from UCG or LCG about how all their "members" were spared in the catastrophe. Of course, that's easy to say since they don't have very many "members".
The buildings and debris in this photo remind me of your arguments, and the tsunami wave of the truth....
Actually, it reminds me of Ambassador College, and the rest of Herbie's kingdom, tumbling down, and being swept away when the truth finally washed ashore, and Herbumpty Dumpty falling off the wall.
Steve: How right you are! Watching the cesspool that is Armstrongism circling the drain is a great thign to see! Will it only take another 10-20 years before the filth is totally wiped out?
Anonymous, the filth will never be totally wiped out. I wish it might, but I have to be a realist.
I am amazed that anyone can charge Dennis (or me, etc.) with bitterness because we see through the nonsense religions foist upon their fellow humans. I've known several people who just about "wee wee'd" in their pants when postulating disasters "god" was going to bring on the world. To them, a disaster was just proof positive that their god existed. On that basis, all gods must be true gods because that's what all their adherents prate about all the time.
they are not arguments...they are observations based on realistic experience...it seems to me
Dennis writes: "Now if one is to be really impressive let them be:
1. The plague of Polar Bears
2. The plague of Eastern Diamondback Rattle Snakes
3. The plague of angry Kangaroos and Dingoes
4. The plague of LA Smog"
5: A plaque of Armstrong ministers and his sheeple covering the world like locust.
Now that is a fearful thought. Suicide becomes an option at that point.
"Sorry, all you have to offer is 100% bitterness and 0% credibility."
Ah, "bitterness!" The Armstrong buzzword used to demonize those who dare criticize. Even if Dennis was bitter- then so what? That doesn't change the fact that you have no evidence to support the fanciful delusion that your particular god exists, much less control the weather. You realize, with some frustration, that you have no evidence, just your belief, and it makes you feel helpless and angry. I know, I used to be on Team Stoopid, also. I too used to call people "angry" and "bitter" because all I had was my belief. No evidence to point at.
Paul Ray
I'm not bitter. I'm more open minded and realistically observant than I was when everything had to be filtered through scripture.
So Foam, are you saying specifically that earthquakes, floods, volcanoes and such ARE directly God driven to fulfill something or as the way God gets our attention??????
Try to use "Yes" or "No" in your answer
Foam Foamed: "Believing an atheist who quotes scripture is like trusting a murderer with a butcher knife.
Sorry, all you have to offer is 100% bitterness and 0% credibility."
I'm not an atheist. I'm skeptical but ever learning, no wait, can't use that phrase as you'll finish it for me with "and never able to come to the truth."
I'm 12% bitter sorta but know that it is insane to not accept life as it is and 81% credible to those who read outside of scripture
Watchmeister: Your four year old must be pretty well read and a critical thinker if this would be equal to her worst. Congrats!
You might want to look at Objective Morality.
What's funny about all the 'Herbie' and 'Herbumpty dumpty' comments is just this.
According to all your gathered information, Herbert Armstrong died in bed, a filthy rich and powerful man. He lived a very long, privileged life, did what he wished and lived like a king.
HWA has left the building, the man you all love to hate, and all your cynical jibes are like b-b's bouncing off the back of his armored car.
You can't touch him with anything you say, about his extravagance, his failing kingdom, etc., ad nauseum.
Honestly, the uninspired 'name calling' is a riot...how 'bout King NebuHerbnezzar and 'Raderites, Hoehites, and Armstrongites"....
If HWA did all the morally criminal things that you posit, do you really think that he or anyone else would give a rat's pittuti about his legacy which you strive so pittutifully to profane? Legacies mean nothing to dead men.
HWA has ALREADY WON THE GAME and it was a blow out, a slam dunk, and to maim a little SHerbspeare, you little men peep about and mutter, who once walked carefully beneath the legs of a man who strode the wide world like a Colossus.
Later, Athers
The first words out of a bitter man's mouth: "I'm not bitter, ... well, just a little bitter..."
And, the first words out of an ARMSTRONGITE'S mouth are, "Well, I'm not following the dead man I worship...I'm following GAWD!"
Watchman said, "HWA has ALREADY WON THE GAME and it was a blow out, a slam dunk..."
MY COMMENT: Guess what? He's DEAD! He didn't get to take anything with him. He didn't win ANYTHING. The worms won as they eat his rotting flesh. We get the last laugh. Actually, Joey jr. gets the greatest satisfaction...for now.
"HWA has ALREADY WON THE GAME and it was a blow out, a slam dunk..."
Maybe he did, in one sense. He had all the pleasures of great wealth and power, but he had to drink himself into oblivion on Harvey's Bristol Cream to get to sleep at night. He had to live every day with the knowledge of the lives he had destroyed, including his own daughter and son. If he believed in survival, and I'm not sure he did, then he knew he would one day have to face Loma and answer for what he had done to their family and many others.
The acoutrements of wealth and power are fleeting, and in the end, each of us stands naked and those "things" become empty.
Yes, he "won" much more than I can ever dream of winning, but I face my soon to come demise with a lot more tranquility of mind than I'm sure he did.
Incidentally, I understand he died of heart failure sitting in his wife's favorite chair.
Herbie lost the game and is indeed in HELL!
And here we thought he died of a heart attack in bed from the raging anger after Joseph Tkach Senior told Herbert that he was taking over and that Herbert Armstrong could do nothing about it.
As for success... well, others took his wealth, changed all the heretical doctrines he created and created new heretical doctrines and it's all gone now.
Moreover, the fruit of the lifetime of doing, Herbert Armstrong ruined nearly all the lives of all he touched -- a legacy of evil, borne of his own rebellion from the Church of God Seventh Day (and as you know, Rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, so Herbert Armstrong was a warlock, to boot).
Beyond that, based on what Abraham Lincoln said that you can't fool all the people all the time, we are all sort of digging out and figuring out all his lies in order to recover from the pandemic damage he did.
And that's the real point.
He may have died, haunted by some of his deeds (which I doubt he was), but he did so surrounded in opulence. HWA, like Hitler, escaped justice and went into Oblivion unpunished.
Oh well. At least he'll never be able to rule the world with an iron fist. I shudder at the thought of living in Jehovah's totalitarian World of Tomorrow, with HWA in office. GTA would be the Lord's Minister of Propaganda, and Meredith the Lord's Minister of Re-eduction and Resettlement. The World of Tomorrow would make Pol Pot's Cambodia, or Stalin's Russia, look like Disneyland.
Paul Ray
Anyhow, Dennis, thanks for the post. Unfortunately, Armstrongites will never see the sense of it. The parrots live in their own senseless, mindless world where the "ordained ministers" do their thinking and talking for them. Braaaak!
Three points come to mind:
1) This latest disaster, once again, illustrates our mutual condition of human vulnerability.
2) It opens up an avenue for those who were not harmed to help those who were.
3) Turning a deaf ear, or turning away from these people in their time of need is not a fruit of the Holy Spirit.
BB
Yes, we are very vulnerable on this planet. Always have been, and that provides a fertile field for religion to plow and plant the seeds of fear and bondage in.
The ignorance of claiming God brought on the quake and tsunami is just that -- ignorance. The Pacific plate took a dive under the Asian plate that had been building up for decades, possibly centuries, and moved the Japanese coast about eight feet, I understand. That's all due to the force of inexorably moving magma inside the earth.
The same thing will one day, probably sooner rather than later, occur off our northwest Pacific coast and make a comparable mess out of places like Seattle. It's about three hundred years since the last dive along that subduction zone. It's coming, and no god will have anything to do with it. But, you can be sure the wild-eyed, totally ignorant preachers will be having a heyday.
I'm plumb sick of hearing this kind of bullshit and reading about it in supposedly holy scripture. One of the main reasons I no longer spend any time reading that stupid book except when I need to look something up to denounce it. Oh, the time in my short life I wasted reading and trying to adhere to that garbage!
Is this prophetic, coincidence, or what this posted in response to the earthquake in Japan?
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