Our galaxy is just one out of billions
Prophet Thiel, the official spokesperson for Living Church of God has this to say about current research that tells of billions of inhabitable planets.
What might be the purpose of all the planets in the universe?
Notice the following passage from Hebrews:
6 But one testified in a certain place, saying: “What is man that You are mindful of him, Or the son of man that You take care of him? 7 You have made him a little lower than the angels; You have crowned him with glory and honor, And set him over the works of Your hands. 8 You have put all things in subjection under his feet.”So, the entire universe was made for humankind, but is not yet under human subjection, but will be first under Jesus. And then, later under humankind.
For in that He put all in subjection under him, He left nothing that is not put under him. But now we do not yet see all things put under him. 9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, for the suffering of death crowned with glory and honor, that He, by the grace of God, might taste death for everyone.
10 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. (Hebrews 2:6-10)
So, resurrected humans will at some time rule all the planets of the universe.
From those scriptures the Prophet deduces that you will be given a planet. Wait, not YOU specifically, since most of you are heretics, but TRUE COG members down through the centuries.
Lest you fail to see that TRUE COG members will be ruling planets the Prophet adds this as further proof:
33 And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end. (Luke 1:33)
6 For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of His government and peace There will be no end…(Isaiah 9:6-7)
Given Prophet Thiel's
Since scripture says there will be neither male nor female in the kingdom, how does he predict all these billions of galaxies will be inhabited? Who is going to be produce all those kids? Neither male nor female.....hum.
IF, and IF, we are being sent to rule over our own planet, will the familial structure be broken up? What about your wife and her family? Is she doomed to be separated from them because they have their own planet? With whom does Scruffy the dog go with when he is resurrected? Will your kids be sent off to planets billions of miles away to rule over their own world? Where will those inhabitants come from?
If, as LCG and other COG claim, the Temple of God will be established again in Jerusalem with its sacrifices in praise of God, how will the city accommodate hundreds of billions of people flocking to it on specific days? Even if one designated male from each of the billions of planets flew down to Jerusalem there still is too many people. All those burning sacrifices from that many people would burn the City and Temple up!
Logic never seems to enter the picture in COG thought.
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Really, really sloppy reasoning based on a rather tenuous basis at best. But hey, if you are an Armstrongist, you just make stuff up and don't worry about staying around for people to prove you are wrong.
And the answer is... Delusional Disorder.
Yet another case of logic malfunction of the order:
A = B; B = C; therefore A must = D!
Can you say extra Biblical?
Besides, this is for the Bride of Christ. For those in the Kingdom like Angels, neither marrying or giving in marriage. Guys married to Jesus for all eternity.
Given an eternity, the Universe is pretty limited in inhabitable planets (and have you looked at the top ten: It's like Goldilocks -- either too hot or too cold?).
I see we have a long way to go.
And the pharmacy is closed for the weekend.
Yep, Folie à Dude.
I am a proud member of INWAP: I Never Wanted a Planet.
This planet-ruling was supposed to be a selling point? I concluded long ago it was only a big deal to the Napoleon-Syndrome types that populate the COGs and drool over the prospect of being in charge of something.
What's with the idea that the average human wants to rule anything? It seems the ruler types are always hyping this dead end job!
If I had stayed in WCG...
If I obeyed myself into a position..
If I qualified to rule....
If I had stayed believing in such things...
I would have never wanted them. Please...just a small log home , in the mountains by a nice river with birds and no church, no sermons, no bible studies, no spokesman club, no "be here," no "be there," no more crowing and over gumming....just leave me alone!
That IS the Wonderful World Tomorrow!
M.T.Church
I've always had some apprehension over the, let's say, less than biblical notions of the ACOG belief system and this is definitely one area that lends itself to the more fantastic and incredulous on par with Mormonism and even Scientology!
Whether God's children will be sex-less or male and female (e.g. "sons and daughters" of God--1 Cor 6:18) I can't say. I know most bible passages refer to angels in the "male" sense (e.g. Gabriel and Michael) but it's possible there are "female" angels too (e.g. Zech 5:9).
And then there's the debate over what Christ said to the Jewish leaders when he said: "At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels" (Matt 22:30). Of course it's important to note what he didn't say. He didn't mention sex. So it's possible that there'll still be sex, but it won't require marriage to be enjoyed.
And who can imagine a world without sex and would you even want to? Unless of course every day is like pure ecstasy so you wouldn't need sex in that case.
Bob Thiel is seriously underselling himself!
Estimates of the number of stars in our own Milky Way galaxy start at around 100 billion stars, going up to maybe 500 million stars.
The current population of the earth is around 7 billion – how many have lived, if you accept Bob Thiel’s view, back 6000 years to Adam and Eve.
Considering the population growth, I doubt if you could scrape up as many as 20 billion. So if God wanted to give every son or daughter of his their own star, with its system of planets – He could do this at least five times over in our own galaxy alone – five solar systems each.
But that’s just one galaxy. How many galaxies are their? The estimates continue to climb. Recent estimates have been in the order of at least 100 billion galaxies in the universe.
So doing the maths, if God was sharing out the universe equally to his children, it wouldn’t be five stars each – rather it would be 5 galaxies each – each one with maybe 100 billion stars.
So rather than each have our own planets, Bob would be better saying that we can each have five galaxies each to develop, maybe 500 billion star systems each.
Now that is some real estate!
This is not an original "kooky" doctrine. The Mormons got it first. It's still stupid, no matter who proclaims it.
"I am a proud member of INWAP: I Never Wanted a Planet."
Likewise. I was even worried that I had an attitude problem because I'd rather go and explore the universe. I didn't want to be stuck watching some random planet for eternity lol
"I am a proud member of INWAP: I Never Wanted a Planet."
Likewise. I was even worried that I had an attitude problem because I'd rather go and explore the universe. I didn't want to be stuck watching some random planet for eternity lol
Jace,
It would take a while to explore your own 500 billion star systems, and then you have the other 500 billion star systems of every other 20 billion individuals to explore too.
Who said visiting others would be a problem?
"Who said visiting others would be a problem?"
For the record, I find this entire conversation to be hilarious :-p
But...
To answer your question, I've always been the guy that wants to be left alone to do my own thing. I suppose this is yet another reason why I'm not an armstrongite today (and would never have been were it not for being born into it). With the rigid form of government as practiced by armstrongism - symbolic of the same type in the "kingdom of god" - I would have butted heads with somebody not long after beginning my stint in eternity.
But back then, I just knew that I had to work out my "attitude problem" long before joining the "god family"
It really is funny now, looking back, at how seriously I took it. Oh well.
I was a bit tongue in cheek myself on this one, Jace
However, I am fascinated as to how large the universe really seems to be.
Where the heck is Norm? Oh well, I'll do his job. Theil's own planet is probably Uranus.
BB
"Considering the population growth, I doubt if you could scrape up as many as 20 billion."
"I am fascinated as to how large the universe really seems to be."
To get a number as low as 20 billion for all the people who have ever lived, you have to use really low coefficients in your exponential growth function. Diseases like the black plague have a way of reducing the average coefficients slightly, but if you try to fit a single growth function to actual population estimates through time, you wind up with numbers between 40 and 80 billion. At least that's what I got when I did it.
The ancient Greek philosopher Democritus is given credit for theorizing that the "Milky Way" was made up of vast numbers of individual stars. However, at that time, the meaning of "milky way" did not imply anything other than the milky trail across the night sky. That was the entire universe.
Although the Andromeda galaxy is bright enough that it was discovered with the naked eye in the 10th century, when people began exploring the night sky with telescopes in the seventeenth century, they noticed more smudges of light. They kinda looked like nebulae, so that's what everyone thought they were. But no one knew if they were within the "milky way," or if they were beyond.
In 1923, Edwin Hubble was on Mt. Wilson trying to answer this question. He discovered the signature of stars in Andromeda whose light was traveling to us from distances that were 10 times further away than the most distant stars ever detected before. That's when we first knew for sure that there were other groups of stars, or galaxies, beyond the one we're in. Suddenly, scientists realized that many of those nebulae were other galaxies very far from ours.
In January 2004 the Hubble Ultra-Deep-Field image was completed. It was a photograph of a tiny square of empty, black space, but this image revealed 10,000 individual galaxies. This image covers an area which is only about one thirteen-millionth of the total area of the sky. Assuming this is sample is representative of the rest of the observable universe, this means there are about 130 billion galaxies that are close enough for us to image. But the fact that the universe is expanding as fast as it is and in astronomical terms the speed of light is kind of, um, slow, means that the properties of light itself limit how much of the universe we are capable of seeing.
Today, using a variety of different types of evidence, such as measuring the resonances of the universe itself, scientists put a lower bound on the size of the universe as being not less than 1,000 times larger that what we are capable of imaging. So, that would set a lower limit on the number of galaxies that actually exist within our universe at not less than 130 trillion.
Too bad we'll probably never know if other universes actually exist or not.
So, assuming this is the only universe, and assuming that all the people who have ever lived totals 50 billion, that would mean a lower limit of 2,600 galaxies per person.
Assuming this theory is right.
Assuming that the Judeo-Christian God really is the creator of this universe.
Assuming there is a God.
Um. Yeah. Whatever.
BTW feet in the OT Bible is a euphemism for the genitals!
eg Exodus 4:25; Ezekiel 16:25
Notice that in Isaiah 6:2 in a vision of the seraphim angels he writes that they each had six wings two covered their faces, two they used in flying and the other two "covered [their] feet" So the possibility exists from such passages that they have genitals and thus gender.
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