For several years now this web site and others have mocked and ridiculed the self-appointed prophet Bob Thiel. Even Rod Meredith and the Living Church of God have taken called him out on his silliness. In spite of this Theil still incessantly struggles on to try and impress people about his prophethood status. Thiel's huge issues is than 99.999999999999999% of the Caucasian race ignores his drivel. The only people that are halfway interested in him are some minuscule groups in Africa. Even many of those are groups of people looking for American churches for an easy handout.
Stinging for constantly being ignored when his message is supposed to be so vitally important in this end times Thiel is having to "prove" once again why he is a true prophet of his god. In order to do this he has so denounce many other people claiming to be prophets. Thiel also seems to be believe that he is the only one in the COG who is able to discern who is a prophet and who is not. Three guess as to who is....
In Thiel's latest blog post where he seeks to legitimize himself, he quotes from Herbert Armstrong and Leroy Neff as reliable sources in discerning prophets. Leroy Neff??????? HWA?????? Neither of these men had any qualifications to do such a thing, but then Theil is also incapable of discernment.For quite a few years, I have denounced a variety of false and self-appointed prophets at the www.cogwriter.com website and have long had an article titled Why Be Concerned About False and Heretical Leaders? From time to time, I also get emails from people who believe that they are some type of prophet or one of the two witnesses or have some special prophetic message. Sadly, because of many false self-appointed prophets, many in the Church of God have dismissed that God actually could have someone in the office of prophet at this time.
Thiel writes trying to prove since he is a little insignificant man who has no theological training, is NOT a great speaker and does not have a large church that these are signs he is one. God chose him.
Then to give himself an easy out, he compares himself to Paul who had failed then prophecies:A true prophet would not need to be from a major theological institution, have the most magnanimous personality, be a great speaker, or have a large or impressive Church, but would be the type willing to meet in members’ homes. He also does not have to have had a ministerial background. God chooses who His prophets are. Notice something from the Old Testament:
14 Then Amos answered, and said to Amaziah: “I was no prophet, Nor was I a son of a prophet, But I was a sheepbreeder And a tender of sycamore fruit. 15 Then the Lord took me as I followed the flock, And the Lord said to me, ‘Go, prophesy to My people Israel.’ (Amos 7:14-15)
It also should be noted that while the Apostle Paul considered himself to be a prophet, not all of his speculative predictions were accurate. He once claimed:
10 I perceive that this voyage will end with disaster and much loss, not only of the cargo and ship, but also our lives (Acts 27:10).
The only problem in quoting this is that Paul was just making a comment, as anyone else does when face with a large issues ahead. A prophecy by definition involves direct revelation from a "divine" source."
Such messages typically involve divine inspiration, interpretation, or revelation of conditioned events to come (cf. divine knowledge).
Causal off-the-cuff comments are not prophecy. Can Thiel truly be this naive? Oh wait, he has no theological education, what more should I have expected?
Then taking the wounded martyr status he admits no one listens to him or ever will.
Truly, most people will not listen to a true prophet of God in this age. And, even when God grants power to His two witnesses, most in the world will not only not listen to them, they will be deceived enough to support an army that will fight against the returning Jesus Christ (Revelation 16:13-14; 19:11-19)!
Then to further legitimate himself, Thiel trots out Gaylyn Bonjour once again.
Then Thiel makes another mind numbing silly comment. According to Thiel his receiving of the status of prophet was so unique that it probably had not occurred for precious mutiple centuries!A true prophet is under God’s authority. A true New Testament prophet has had hands laid upon him/her and/or received special anointing. You can not anoint yourself or come up with doctrine that contradicts the Bible (cf. Revelation 22:18-19) like at least three self-declared supposed COG “prophets” (Gerald Flurry, William Dankenbring, and Ronald Weinland) and false predictors (like Harold Camping and David Pack) have falsely done)–”Scripture cannot be broken” (John 10:35).
Thus far, none who have ever contacted me and claimed to have been a prophet of some type have had hands laid upon them to give them the type of anointing that a true prophet of God would likely have had in this church age if God was selecting them. Hence, if the anointing from a true minister has not happened to you, understand that I do not now accept that you are a prophet or one of the two witnesses. Laying hands upon yourself is not enough.
For centuries no prophet has emerged like Bob Thiel. He's one of a kind! He is so incredibly special that the the angels in heaven rejoiced at his raising up as prophet! Even God and
In my case, in November/December 2011, I prayed that if I truly had a prophetic role from God that He would have something happen during a planned mid-December 2011 trip to Charlotte, North Carolina to confirm it or deny it if that were His will. As it turned out, on 12/15/2011 hands were laid upon me in Charlotte by ordained minister Gaylyn Bonjour. He prayed that I would be granted a “double-portion” of God’s Holy Spirit. He told me that he had not ever done this before but he felt that it was reminiscent of the time that the prophetic and ecclesiastical leadership mantle passed from the Prophet Elijah to Elisha (2 Kings 2:9-13). This minister had been unaware that I had prayed that God would have me anointed or somehow identified for a prophetic role on that mid-December 2011 trip if that were His plan for me and I had never discussed my possible prophetic role with him prior to this anointing. This 12/15/11 anointing appears to be the first biblically-appropriate prophetic anointing in the Church of God in many decades, if not many multiple centuries. And the legitimacy of this anointing has been proven by subsequent events–though many do not seem to understand how God works at times. And yes, I will add that I believe that I do have the appropriate prophetic fruits that Jesus discussed (Matthew 7:15-20) and that those truly interested in the truth can see this if they truly wish to prayfully look into this.
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If Bob is such a prophet, then why is he not doing his job by facing down Obama to his face and condemning him for his evil life style and wicked statements?
Why is he not confronting senators and congressmen in public, rebuking them for their wickedness?
Prophet it is time for you to man it up and stop being a pip squeak.
This 12/15/11 anointing appears to be the first biblically-appropriate prophetic anointing in the Church of God in many decades, if not many multiple centuries.
Bitter Bob is desperate to be seen as someone special. It seems that the more he is rejected, the more outlandish his claims of specialness become.
If he keeps up like this, it's likely that the state of California will take custody of his special-needs son, which will only push him even further over the edge. Bitter Bob may indeed end up in a "place of safety" -- a mental hospital.
Bob has followed the classic tried and true formula for self delusion. He takes his life story, his views, his real or imagined credentials, special circumstances, imagined specialness, lowly estate, realization of poor speaking skills and general rejection as PROOF he is on the right track and fits all the Biblical criteria via prooftexting.
He can't lose. He already has.
Anonymous @ 10:46 AM said...
"Bitter Bob is desperate to be seen as someone special. It seems that the more he is rejected, the more outlandish his claims of specialness become."
"If he keeps up like this, it's likely that the state of California will take custody of his special-needs son, which will only push him even further over the edge. Bitter Bob may indeed end up in a 'place of safety' -- a mental hospital."
It should be the other way around. The more outlandish someone's claims become, the more they ought to be rejected.
Bob Thiel seems to be some sort of "special-needs" character himself. It would be safer for everyone if he were in a mental institution.
Making outrageous claims can be a very effective technique for false prophets. It worked so well for Gerald Flurry claiming to be “That Prophet” that he gets almost $20,000,000.00 a year from his approximately 5,000 supporters of nonsense and evil.
Making outrageous claims is so effective that even David Pack-- who once said he wanted his Real Truth magazine to bring responsible understanding rather than reckless prophetic speculation--could not resist the temptation to read himself into the biblical books of Haggai and Zechariah and become “Joshua the High Priest.” Just being an apostle was not enough for him. One wonders if being “Joshua the High Priest” will finally be enough for him now.
Making outrageous claims does not work out equally well for everyone who tries it. Some false prophets like Bob Thiel just get ignored by the white man, taken advantage of by the black man, and laughed at by every man.
Simple formula of life in all arenas in dealing with others...
Big claims require Big Proof.
If you look at all the commercials on TV that proclaim miracle weight loss pills , libido restorers, baldness cures or wrinkle creams, you soon realize that if the claims were indeed true, there would not be any need for a commercial! The WORD OF MOUTH advertising from successful users would go viral in a matter of hours and there would be lines around the block to buy the stuff.
Same holds true in religion. If someone has the gift of healing the masses, Im sure Anthem Blue Cross would soon hire them at millions a year. There would be no need to beg for money at religious rallies etc.
If someone was indeed a prophet, they would make predictions and prognostications or perform acts that are all beyond reproach and stand up to the scientific method and inquiry. They would not have to be like Thiel and demand that people pay attention. His works and words would stand alone in the proclamation, not a little mans protestations.
Elijah put on a public demonstration that was beyond reproach when the fire came down from heaven. Moses parted the Red Sea etc. Claiming to be a Prophet is a big claim.
So far for Thiel... Big Claim ---ZERO PROOF!
Bob thinks: "It also should be noted that while the Apostle Paul considered himself to be a prophet,"
And Bob is a prophet in the very same way he thinks Paul was...a FAILED ONE.
Paul predicted a swift return of Jesus and told people then to live accordingly. He told people not to marry as time was short and they'd be better of as he was because single people think more about "the lord" and married types more about each other.. (really?) I was Paul and the "we" who would be changed and not die. Only late in his mistakes did he give it up and claim he kept the faith..bye bye now....
Bob is as inaccurate as Paul was and Paul was as accurate as Bob now isn't either.
Silly non-critically thinking man is he...
As a reminder - in Bob’s own words (writing about himself in the 3rd person) this is what happened with his ‘anointing’.
“On the morning of December 15, 2011, upon arriving at the Charlotte HQ of LCG, Bob Thiel asked to meet with Gary Ehman as he wanted to get anointed for some non-debilitating matters as well as to ask him to pray that he be granted wisdom for his meetings with the HQ evangelists. But he was not in. So instead, Bob Thiel asked to meet with Gaylyn Bonjour (with whom he never had any discussions prior about him possibly being some type of prophet). Bob Thiel asked Gaylyn Bonjour if he would do the anointing and pray that God would grant him wisdom for the meetings. He agreed. But while laying hands upon Bob Thiel, Gaylyn Bonjour also happened (it was not planned nor did Bob Thiel say anything to encourage this) to ask God to grant Bob Thiel a “double-portion” of His Holy Spirit and anointed him. Bob Thiel then attended a meeting with the evangelists and he did not then have time to discuss what this might mean with Gaylyn Bonjour.”
So why did he ask to get anointed? For ‘some non-debilitating matters’ i.e. sickness of some sort, and also ‘to ask him to pray that he be granted wisdom for his meetings with the HQ evangelists.’
This is not someone ‘anointing him as a prophet.’ It was a routine request to be anointed for a minor sickness, plus a request that Bob ‘be granted wisdom for his meetings’. Two requests – so a reasonable comment that he be granted a “double-portion” of Holy Spirit.
Just an everyday, run-of-the-mill request – nothing special about it. And it was only after a WHOLE YEAR that Bob suddenly realised and published the above. (It was from his blog dated 28th December 2012 – one year after the above event and two days before announcing he is starting his own church!)
To Anon 1:52: Why do you think that Paul was a failed prophet?
Bob Thiel thinks the other Churches of God are backsliding, false churches. Yet he thinks a minister from a false church, Gaylyn Bonjour, anointed him. But if Mr. Bonjour is a false minister his anointing of Bob is fake. Or if it was true, how come Mr. Bonjour has not coming running to Mr. Bob Thiel?
Let's go rock band on this. When a band is ignored, perhaps not noticed, they tighten up and add some sting. They don't complain about the lack of "deserved" notice, because they realize that that would be a turnoff. Instead, they do some things that make it impossible for them to be ignored. In Thiel's case, that would mean making detailed and specific prophecies and consistently having them fulfilled. Anything else is just playing mud pies!
BB
If someone has the gift of healing the masses, Im sure Anthem Blue Cross would soon hire them at millions a year. There would be no need to beg for money at religious rallies etc... Elijah put on a public demonstration that was beyond reproach when the fire came down from heaven. Moses parted the Red Sea etc. Claiming to be a Prophet is a big claim.
If Elijah really did what the Bible claims, millions surely would have flocked to the God of Israel. For that that matter, if the post-Resurrection events from the Gospels actually took place, surely the entire Roman Empire would have been converted in the span of a year or two.
Remember, this wasn't just the resurrection of Jesus who went back to Heaven in 50 days. Chapter 27 of Matthew reports that many others were raised back to life immediately upon Jesus' resurrection, and that these people appeared to many.
If Bitter Bob managed to resurrect even ONE person who could be credibly proved to have died, his fame would spread far beyond the ACOGs and the English-speaking world. He would instantly become a world-renowned prophet.
So how should we take Matthew 27? If its events occurred as described, it is unimaginable that some Roman or Jewish source wouldn't have reported the widespread presence of revived dead people.
More likely, though, is that some writer made it up to gain followers for his religion. It isn't that Bitter Bob has to duplicate Elijah's feats in order to be proved credible. It's that he needs to wake up and realize that ELIJAH WAS MADE UP just like so much else on which Bitter Bob has staked his faith.
If Bitter Bob can be freed of his psychosis, he might be able to reinvent himself as an icon of recovery from cult sickness. Otherwise, he is just another sad case desperately seeking to be known as the best friend of an imaginary Angry Sky Elf.
Anonymous said...
To Anon 1:52: Why do you think that Paul was a failed prophet?
Ummmm...Paul's Jesus did not return in his lifetime nor was he changed into spirit as he thought...etc
Anonymous November 28, 2014 at 4:12 PM said, “Bob Thiel thinks the other Churches of God are backsliding, false churches. Yet he thinks a minister from a false church, Gaylyn Bonjour, anointed him. But if Mr. Bonjour is a false minister his anointing of Bob is fake. Or if it was true, how come Mr. Bonjour has not coming running to Mr. Bob Thiel?”
MY COMMENT – Very good point!
It makes about as much sense as Herbert W. Armstrong’s baptism being valid even though he was baptized by a “fake Christian”, a “worldly” Sunday keeping Baptist preacher.
But, this is Armstrongism – a belief system of hypocrisy and a three ring circus!
Richard
Lake of Fire Church of God
Christianity collapsing everywhere - and deservedly so - but still growing in Africa, its last stand.
Questeruk said, “Just an everyday, run-of-the-mill request – nothing special about it. And it was only after a WHOLE YEAR that Bob suddenly realised and published the above. (It was from his blog dated 28th December 2012 – one year after the above event and two days before announcing he is starting his own church!)”
MY COMMENT – Nail meet hammer! You nailed it Questeruk. There is his motivation. After being such a good cheer leader for the idiot Rod Meredith and LCG for years, he felt he wasn’t getting the recognition he craved from LCG so he struck out on his own to create his own Armstrong Church of God franchise. After all, what the world needs now is another Worldwide Church of God offshoot (or, in Thiel’s case: offshoot of an offshoot). With ONLY 700+ splinters, there are just not enough of them!
All the other major Armstrong COG apostles had an event to kick start a “one and only true church” - Herbert Armstrong had “Loma’s Dream”; Flurry had “Malachi’s Message” albeit plagiarized from Devares; Garner Ted had his penis; so Thiel had to invent something to legitimize his calling to start his own Armstrong COG franchise.
In the end, my definition of wealth and poverty comes into play with anything Armstrong. Poverty is “a lot of effort yielding very little results”. Nothing will become of Bob Thiel or any other Armstrong Church of God. The world does not recognize them for anything but keeps those of us who were in it and now see them for what they truly were –entertained!
Richard
Lake of Fire Church of God
"For quite a few years, I [Dr. Bob Thiel] have denounced a variety of false and self-appointed prophets [who are NOT Dr. Bob Thiel] at the www.cogwriter.com website and have long had an article titled Why Be Concerned About False and Heretical Leaders [who are NOT Dr. Bob Thiel]? From time to time, I also get emails from people [who are NOT Dr. Bob Thiel] who believe that they are some type of prophet or one of the two witnesses or have some special prophetic message [as though THEY thought THEY were Dr. Bob Thiel]. Sadly, because of many false self-appointed prophets [EXCEPT FOR Dr. Bob Thiel], many in the Church of God have dismissed that God actually could have someone [HELLO! Dr. Bob Thiel, OBVIOUSLY!] in the office of prophet at this time.
Isn't this a case of "I am Pot. Please, DO NOT meet Kettle!"?
I fail to comprehend how Bob can write this drivel without anticipating that people are going to read it and fail to comprehend how Bob can write it without thinking, "Gee, when I put it like that, all those other douches sounds an awful lot like me!"
All the "reasons" he comes up with as to why he is a different kind of douche, such as, "I am special BECAUSE I am NOT special!" are like "knots" in a rope that when pulled on just unravel to reveal they were nothing more than tangles. Who discredits Bob simply because he's not the offspring of the union between a deity and a mortal woman, or because he's not the most powerful or learned man in the realm? No, we ignore Bob for other, more compelling reasons. We ignore Bob because Bob is ignorable.
Regardless of their origins or PREVIOUS personal acumen, a CURRENT "mouthpiece of the gods" would NOW, in fact, be a REMARKABLE man indeed! He would become a FORCE for the most powerful or learned men in the realm to have to reckon with, not of himself, but because he had become the oracle of far more powerful and learned "people" than the most powerful or learned men in the realm. Ergo, if there were some COG gods out there powerful and righteous enough to be worthy of our worship that "could have someone in the office of prophet at this time," we would not be able to dismiss it for long, right? Therefore, if Bob really is "in the office of prophet at this time," then the god for which he is the "mouthpiece" is not powerful enough to be worthy of our worship, or even, I guess, our attention. ???
Anyone who can be ignored, should be ignored. Bob is not a force to be reckoned with, so that's why nobody does. He's still the same old unremarkable hack who shows no signs of suddenly possessing any power or acumen. Sadly, but of course, Bob is indistinguishable from the rest of the variety show of false, heretical, and self-appointed "witnesses," "apostles," and "prophets" that Bob feels he must take pains to denounce.
Nice try, Bob. First, force somebody, ANYBODY, to have to reckon with you, then try again.
Only disturbed people like HWA, RCM, or Bob can't fathom that being "average" and, I don't know, "normal," is actually the only mentally healthy way to exist on a planet as one in 7 billion, even if you are above average. That Bob thinks he should be "abnormal" is the only prophecy he's ever made that has come true, because it's patently self-fulfilling.
New song found in Thiel's hymnal...
Sing along to the tune...
WHAT THE WORLD NEEDS NOW
Jackie Deshannon 1965
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fahg2q9IrAs
What the COG needs now is Bob, sweet Bob...
Im the only thing that there's just too little of...
What the COG needs now is Bob, sweet Bob
No, not just for some but for everyone
Lord, we don't need another Meredith
There are plenty of other groups that are not fine
There are lots of brethren for me to cross
Enough to last until the end of time
What the world needs now is Bob, sweet Bob
Im the only thing that there's just too little of
What the world needs now is Bob, sweet Bob
No, not just for some but for everyone
Well, it's like Charles Bronson said to Paul Koslo in "Mr. Majestyk". "You're in the wrong line of work, my friend!"
Through the miracle of the internet, Bob Thiel has made a fool out of himself, though somehow, in his mind, he succeeds in compartmentalizing all of us out. Square peg, meet round hole.
BB
I am the eighth man, I am the eggplant, I am the Walrus, ooh ka choo ka choo choo ka choo.
-~Miguel de la Rodente
Questeruk said...
As a reminder - in Bob’s own words (writing about himself in the 3rd person) this is what happened with his ‘anointing’...
Hahahaha! So this is what REALLY happened. It's funny how Bob twisted the whole story.
Eggplant is a healthy food.
It's tasty and can be prepared in a variety of ways.
Funny thing is, some Christians got into a fight over how to prepare eggplant, and now one is in a 'Christian Eggplant Coma' as a result of punches thrown.
Please show me the passages where Paul said that Jesus would return in his lifetime.
Anon at 2:36,
Haven't you already read the pertinent biblical passages, and come to your own conclusions regarding them?
Anon at 2:36,
Haven't you already read the pertinent biblical passages, and come to your own conclusions regarding them?
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