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One acolyte writes:
I Kings 9 really paints a picture of Jehu, God’s anointed, that makes him look like some organized crime assassin. After seeing Jezebel splattered all over the paving, he walks over her dead and bloody corpse and says, “I’m hungry, let’s eat!”.Two guesses as to who is "anointed" to bring that personal tribulation as they damn the world around them.
This reminds me of Psalm 18:20-28 :
20 The LORD rewarded me according to my righteousness; according to the cleanness of my hands hath he recompensed me.
21 For I have kept the ways of the LORD, and have not wickedly departed from my God.
22 For all his judgments were before me, and I did not put away his statutes from me.
23 I was also upright before him, and I kept myself from mine iniquity.
24 Therefore hath the LORD recompensed me according to my righteousness, according to the cleanness of my hands in his eyesight.
25 With the merciful thou wilt shew thyself merciful; with an upright man thou wilt shew thyself upright;
26 With the pure thou wilt shew thyself pure; and with the froward thou wilt shew thyself froward.
27 For thou wilt save the afflicted people; but wilt bring down high looks.
28 For thou wilt light my candle: the LORD my God will enlighten my darkness.
To any (but especially those within or affiliated with the corporate churches of God)that play fast and loose with the statutes, judgments, and any of the rest of God’s commandments (verse 22) and who act like God has forsaken planet earth (See Ezek 8:12 and 9:9)a time of reckoning is coming.
Those who trust in their slyness, deceitful lying, and double-talk, (verse 26–last part) will get a lesson from whomever God anoints to bring them into their own personal tribulation for such behavior, just like Jezebel got at the hand of Jehu.
God will not be mocked,(Gal 6:7), so we all must govern ourselves accordingly.
Then a second acolyte writes that even if it is your own family being splattered on the ground, you do not mourn for them. This is the typical Armstrongite bullshit that has been preached for decades.
It reminds me also of Lev. 10:6, when Aaron was not allowed to mourn the death of his sons, but to leave the mourning to others, as he was under anointing and God Himself had killed them. I know it isn’t a completely parallel situation, but when both were “about our Father’s business”, they were not allowed to mourn what God Himself has done, or a decision He has made, even when it involves our own families.It has been interesting to watch over the decades how the Church of God loves to bathe itself in blood and guts. Where would the church be without death and damnation that it gleefully looks forward to? Dangling meathooks, concentration camps, famine, war, violence...on and on the list goes of the things that the COG looks forward to. Still no Jesus, but plenty of blood and guts.
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All of this stuff has a warping effect on peoples' minds and personalities, especially if they actually believe that it is what Father God expects.
The only method by which the higher law can take one to the next spiritual level is if it informs and transcends the lower physical law. Malm and others err in that they make the first of the two great commandments of our Lord (Love for God) into a vehicle which violates the second of the TGCOL, love for man. They use their so-called love for God (the object of the first) to modify the second in such a way that contempt and hatred for fellow man become the natural result.
As above, so below. As below, so above. Contempt for man breeds contempt for God, and vice versa. Fulfillment of one of the THCOL is fulfillment of the other. The attitude of love is one pervasive unit which cannot be parsed into two separate components which then work against one another. Erroneous thinking such as this leads to preaching half of the gospel, the half involving the punishment of mankind, skipping the one about the person of Jesus, Jesus loves, and Jesus saves, John 3:16, etc. It also leads to overemphasizing the Old Covenant, and attempting to filter the New Covenant through it, changing it back to the Old.
BB
Wow, James Malm seems to be going downhill fast. It wasn't long ago that he was just a zealot with mental issues and an internet connection. Now he's the apostle and prophet of what is already one of the sickest and most delusional COG cults out there! I already Malm absolutely repellent for his over-the-top überlegalism years ago, but him, now in league with the types who find his brand of Hebrew witchcraft attractive, are much worse now! Thank the gods there's no power behind their magical incantations and rituals. It's their only saving grace really.
It is unfortunate that the WCG and offshoots were not the official church of Germany during WWII. Their idea of punishment would have fit in nicely. Doing it all for God of course.
There is no dichotomy between love and punishment, as many believe. Punishment is a tool of correction, encouraging people to repent. Agape love means wanting people to reach their full potential. I does not means making feel comfortable at any cost. Sadly, punishment is the only language many respond to. A reminder that God uses punishment as a last resort. Typically He warns nations for generations before punishing them. It's Satan who would never punish the wicked. Rather He and his minions punish via persecution, the righteous.
why is it that god is so angry in the old testament and in the new he's this different person? that always bothered me....
Seems like many in the C of G have the same attitude as Jonah did towards those who were "outsiders."
Lisa,
It's like the old "bad cop, good cop" thingy.
Daddy's old and grumpy, but sonny boy is kinder and full of forgiveness.
They are two out of three of what are called the Christian Gods.
The third one? He/it just makes people think they're on the right track. (No matter that Spirit Boy imparts wildly differing truths to different people.
Just keep repeating to yourself: "They're all ONE! They're all ONE! They're all ONE! They're all ONE!", and it may help you believe it. (Especially if you have emotional and financial investment in a church that teaches "They're all ONE!")
People who are publicly against punishment, are typically very vindictive in their private lives. Another case of the fox preaching to the chickens.
Lisa, assuming you are being sincere, I suggest you read 'The six thinking hats' by Edward De Bono. People wear different 'hats' ie exercise certain responsibilities or roles, depending on the situation. Thus Christ wore one 'hat' in the old testament, and a different 'hat' in the new testament. We all exercise different roles in different situations.
I'm not against punishment per se. However what we were taught, and what we experienced in Armstrongism went beyond appropriate and effective, and crossed into the realm of producing indignation and destructive retaliation. The basic problem with pain compliance is that tolerance is built up over time, meaning that the level of pain must continually be increased in order to obtain the same result.
If you remove such things as pain compliance and massive retaliation from the table, then the thought processes kick in, and people do find better, creative methods of mentoring and occasionally punishing. It takes no thought at all to cause another human pain. However, a lot of thought must go into reasoning with a child or subordinate, to educate them out of a mind set. Plus, you have the added benefit that by setting an example of reasoning, or even negotiating, you have imparted those same skills to the people you mentor. Pain compliance, on the other hand, keeps behavior and intelligence on a sub-human, animalistic level. It certainly dumbed down a certain church movement that we all know about!
What's true is that making poor decisions often brings pain as a natural byproduct, which 95% of the population interprets as an educational experience, and performs their own behavioral modifications. The remaining 5% is either incapable of or immune to this type of education, which is why we have penal institutions and mental hospitals.
BB
anon1245,i'll look that book up....
That acolyte threw in his/her two-cents worth, as if the scriptures weren't enough all by themselves. That acolyte wrote:
"...To any (but especially those within or affiliated with the corporate churches of God)that play fast and loose with the statutes, judgments, and any of the rest of God’s commandments (verse 22) and who act like God has forsaken planet earth (See Ezek 8:12 and 9:9)a time of reckoning is coming.
Those who trust in their slyness, deceitful lying, and double-talk, (verse 26–last part) will get a lesson from whomever God anoints to bring them into their own personal tribulation for such behavior, just like Jezebel got at the hand of Jehu.
God will not be mocked,(Gal 6:7), so we all must govern ourselves accordingly.
The verses cited are true, but why all of that Fear Religion on others not as self-righteous as the acolyte makes himself out to be? What is God going to do? Swart us? Spank us? There is a cause for all of them evils in our lives but, despite all of that, when will this acolyte realize the following verse about his/her brothers and sisters?
"To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, NOT IMPUTING their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation." 2 Corinthians 5:19
Oh, but God does that...not James Malm!
Either God is going to fulfill that verse someday, or Paul and God are both liars. I'd like to consider some "good news" rather than all of the "bad news" beatings that James Malm spews out on everyone, well, all except himSELF and his acolytes...
God created the physical, including Adam, Eve, the Garden, yes, even Satan...and we're all learning to hate evil, but that isn't the "end of the matter." Isaiah even says God created evil. There must be a reason for it, but it isn't forever. He created a waster too. He made a being, a "thing," without fear for God (Job 41:34) and that thing is full of pride, which does not mean Professional Results In Daily Effort! Zeal and pride don't "cut it!"
James Malm, stop comparing yourSELF with others, B/C you always come out "smelling like some rose" you think you are becoming. Do you think sin isn't on/in you? It's in me too.
Why not shine some light on some "good news" for a change, instead of wrapping you and those around you in some sinless cocoon? Not to mention some of those ridiculous rantings about your theories about the Bible...and the acolytes swallow then hook, line and stinker!
For example, Jesus Christ was made when He was begotten!
John 1:14 And the Word was MADE FLESH, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Hebrews 5:5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, TO DAY have I BEGOTTEN thee."
Yes, Jesus Christ, had a beginning; the Father has no beginning. Even the Word had a beginning; the Father has no beginning.
What do you mean; Jesus Christ is the God of the Old Testament? Have you never read the following verse?
"The God of Abraham, and of Isaac, and of Jacob, the God of our fathers, hath glorified his Son Jesus; whom ye delivered up, and denied him in the presence of Pilate, when he was determined to let him go." Acts 3:13
How can Jesus Christ be some God of the Old Testament? Other such verses also exist. We don't need any more "junk food" about Jesus Christ.
oh, you don't believe that Acts 3:13? Is another verse needed? Do you need 2 witnesses, or something?
Then, there are your views on some "second coming" of Jesus Christ to reign on earth...soon...!!!!!!! Oh, I'm not going there.
Time will tell...
John
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