Wednesday, April 18, 2018

Church of God, The Eternal's Jon Brisby Sinks To A New Vile Low



One of the vilest teachings of the church that was brutally enforced over the decades was the "divorce and remarriage" doctrine/teaching.  Countless stories have been told over the decades of loving couples and families ripped to pieces by the Church of God's vile stance.  Most had probably thought those days were long gone, but it is not.

This letter was posted on Exit and Support and describes the vile and unChristian teachings of Jon Brisby:

I wanted to write and thank you for helping people who have left or will leave the "Armstrong cult groups." I was born into the WWCG. It helped to destroy my whole family--my parents, my siblings, and up until this year, even me. We all made some mistakes and bad choices on our own but Herbert Armstrong and his ministers, splinters, and even some members, helped destroy my family emotionally, just with the judgmental attitudes, being made to feel we were in "hot water" with God, telling us that outsiders were of the world, etc. My most recent minister Jon W. Brisby (Church of God, the Eternal) has even told me that my lack of financial comfort is the result of my "not living in a pleasing enough way for God." I was also told that my family is the "church" now and no longer my kids, since they are not members. Luckily, my kids grew up against the Armstrong teachings and have their own beliefs. As for me, I am finally what I consider to be "out of the dark" of these Armstrong worshippers. I emailed my minister two weeks ago and explained my decision to leave. He has yet to respond. 
Church of God, The Eternal (COGE) is a small group. The lead minister is Jon W. Brisby (age 55). He has some wild ideas. A married couple came to the group from LCG a few years ago. They had been married for about 18 years. Brisby soon found out that the man had been married briefly to someone else when he was a really young man. They divorced and his ex married someone else. Anyway, this married couple of 18 plus years were instructed to split up and live separately but not get divorced. Jon Brisby told him that if his ex wife happens to die then and only then can he and his current wife live as a couple again. The couple have remodeled their home and made it into a duplex. They each live in one of the side by side units. They are allowed to go back and forth to each other's apartment for meal times but not allowed to sleep, shower or linger at each other's place. At the Feast of Tabernacles and Pentecost they were not permitted to sit together for services. This couple is in their 50's also.
There is another man, a single man around age 60. This man was also married but years ago his wife left him and married a Seventh Day Adventist. Brisby told him he must never remarry. This man said God would not allow him to marry unless his ex died. Brisby stays in total control of the dating and marriage relationships in the group. He comes off as very intensely and genuinely kind, but if he feels you cross him, then he gets an attitude and can be very arrogant. 
--Kandice Cunning (Child survivor of WCG; Former member of COGE)
Church of God, the Eternal has on its page the following which is used as a weapon to stop members from writing such things as was done above.  They seek to create the myth that all of the things they teach are directly from Christ, passed down through the apostles to Bisby and others today.  To deny what they teach is blasphemy and denial of the truth which separates the "rebellious" from God.

What God gave to Moses, He gave to Christ. What Christ taught to the apostles, He commissioned them to proclaim in their designated areas. What Christ and the apostles taught was the same as was revealed to Paul. And what all those servants taught is exactly what was given to an end-time servant (Matthew 28:19–20). For those who will hear, our purpose is to honor and proclaim that same way of life—the faith once delivered. In that way is found no part of the way given to Gentiles—people of the world (Deuteronomy 12:1–3; 4:1–40, Acts 14:16). We want the ways of God. We are not interested in any of the traditions or customs of this world. God’s servant of these last days at no time made the pagan customs of this world a part of the doctrine. The spirit which introduces change, and/or a relaxation of the doctrine is as much at work today as it was in the past. The called of God must be on guard incessantly. That spirit is a deceiver. He will do anything to destroy.
One concluding observation seems to be necessary. Those who believed and loved the Truth of God have remained strong, loyal, and faithful. On the other hand, it seems that everyone who was “argued” into acceptance of the “faith once delivered” has failed ultimately. It, indeed, seems like God is separating those who believe and love the Truth from those who must surely have accepted only on the basis of their own personal intellectual prowess.
Satan and his demons hate the ways of God. They will do anything to disrupt, challenge, and destroy. Such behavior is a manifestation of who and what the true people of God are all about. They persecuted Christ. In like manner they will do the same thing to those in whom Christ lives. The faithful of God will count it a privilege to suffer for the cause of righteousness. They will be persecuted and lied about with abandon, but these chosen children of God will know who they are. They love the Truth and will for no cause allow themselves to turn from it. They are the ones who will endure to the end.
Who are we? We are estranged members—a remnant (Romans 9:27–33; 11:1–5, Isaiah 1:8–9, Revelation 12:13–17)—from the apostate body (2 Thessalonians 2:1–3) who sincerely love God’s revealed Truth from the heart (2 Thessalonians 2:10), willing to remain faithful to the end (Matthew 24:13). That Truth which was taught by Christ (John 14:6; 12:48–50), that Truth which Christ commissioned the Twelve Apostles to teach (Matthew 28:20). Which was the same message taught by the Apostle Paul (Galatians 1:6–16, 1 Thessalonians 2:12–14). Which was the same message taught by an end-time servant (Matthew 28:19–20). Which had significant beginning with Moses (Hebrews 4:1–3). The Truth which is now obeyed from a spiritual premise (2 Corinthians 3:1–11).
These are the people that God’s true ministry desires to serve. It is our purpose to give you our energy and our love.  Letter from Raymond Cole



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Anonymous said...

I'm sure there are some fruits among some of the people. I thought CGI left any symbolance of truth a long time ago?

Anonymous said...

Unbelievable. But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander. How can people be so careless?

Anonymous said...

Finch (may 31 6:34am), these other men believe in the Catholic doctrine the "Primacy of Peter". They look to Jon Brisby as being the pre-eminent one. This was detailed in a sermon given in 2011 by one of the Litz brothers, I believe entitled "Peters Pre-eminence" still offered on their website. Anyways, they loosely backpeddled on this teaching to appease a few who were upset about it, but still hold onto the doctrine.

This is why no one else in that group will contend for the truth, plus it takes balls to take something like that on. It would definately cause a split with those who would follow God versus man.

In Matthew 17, God the father said to the 3 disciples present with Jesus: "this is my beloved son in whom I am well pleased, "HEAR YE HIM". For some strange reason, most of us want to hear the man, and not our elder brother.

Anonymous said...

I love Mr Brisby his sent by God to us teens

Anonymous said...

Very Disappointed. I thought after the years and decades of expounding Fruits of the Spirit by Cole, brethren ought to understand the Weightier Matters of the Law. Of Love, Mercy, Righteous Judgment but I see manifestations of carnality, backstabbing, attacks and speaking evil of one another. I understand that prophecy too is important but as Paul said has Prophecy become weightier now? has Prophecy become grounds to attack and slander someone else, have we not become Brass? I thought I could have a "haven" in this little group after all the evil I have seen in many other offshoots even members committing suicide because of ministerial cruelty. Please I thought, what manner of persons ought you to be in all holy conversation and conduct knowing and understanding that all will be melted? What about sowing discord Proverbs 6, has that been forgotten too? I will keep my quiet and I will hope that there are still wonderful people in this little group who know that they know - Member of the Church -

Anonymous said...

Sowing discord is something that is supported by the pastor director of this group when it works for something he is trying to achieve. Because of this, it then just becomes natural for some of the brethren to behave in this manner. Ive seen it first hand a few times when JB was trying to steer something in the church, so he would stir up people to get them to do what he wanted, and then when he was called on it; tried to say he was behaving in a godly manner according to the Bible for the better of the church (nice excuse, but purposely sowing discord does not fly with the true God).

Anonymous said...

Many false teachers have gone out into the world.
Raymond Cole refused to publish books. All we needed to do was hold fast our beginning. Keep it simple folks.

respect please said...

Jon Brisby Your vital key that unlocks prophecy to our understanding had been lost. That key is the identity of the United States and the British peoples in Biblical prophecy. There IS Purpose-WHY This Ignorance.Shut Eyes — Closed Ears.Have our leaders and Ministers become so blinded — so steeped in a deceptive false education — so stultified — that they cannot be aroused from slumber?
Through it Almighty God gives momentous WARNING!

As the "pride of our power" continues to be broken, as the British continue to lose their foreign sea gates and possessions around the earth will you Ministers Repent and acknowledge YOU can Understand Bible Prophecy.

Just look at the situation with Iran Today. Your Bible is on Fire with a Message to Deliver.

God's People IN Church Of God The Eternal Rise up and hold your originally-from or in the beginning Truths .

sam said...

Did you Know the Church can be edified with prophesies? The one who prophesies edifies the church 1 Corinthians 14:4. It's NOT EVIL my Friends.

Anonymous said...

The decision these brethren will have to make in the coming future, is not going to be an easy one.

I hope that they will be able to not get wrapped up emotionally in things, but to understand that God said he would never leave or forsake them if they will just hold onto their beginning confidence.

Men will change, especially ministers. This is just a given and it is replete throughout the Bible.

Keep it simple brethren and cling to brethren of like mind. Keep it together even if it comes down to keeping it in your living room.

Fin said...

Jon is the Jesus today. working miracles among us. We share his joy love and rock star fame.

Anonymous said...

A Message to JON BRISBY a call to Repent.

This is what prophetic news analyst Herbert W. Armstrong declared on May 9, 1945

We don’t understand German thoroughness. From the very start of World War ii, they have considered the possibility of losing this second round, as they did the first—and they have carefully, methodically planned, in such eventuality, the third round—World War iii! Hitler has lost. This round of war, in Europe, is over. And the Nazis have now gone underground. In France and Norway they learned how effectively an organized underground can hamper occupation and control of a country. Paris was liberated by the French underground—and Allied armies. Now a Nazi underground is methodically planned. They plan to come back and to win on the third try.”

pat said...

Jon has been eating too much candy with white Sugar. He is Sin. I seen him eat this the other day. Mom said he loves ice creams at our place .

Anonymous said...

When and where did Jon Brisbane ever say the US is the beast of Revelation?

fisher said...

He said this after church services to me 'Personally and a few others here in us

The Old Treasure said...

I'm observing because the members have been asked to be more Generous in Tithes.
http://www.cogeternal.org/monthly-letters/we-are-called-to-be-generous/

Christians should be generous YES I agree ) Is selling The Book called A PECULIAR TREASURE Christian Or generous ? https://www.jonwbrisby.com/#purchase-now

THE ENDURING LEGACY OF HERBERT & LOMA ARMSTRONG - the Radio Church of God NEVER Once asked for Money!

Freely you have received; freely give Never place a Price upon God's Truth.

Do your homework. Check up on Your ministries and see if they're doing what they claim. Ask them to send you financial statements and reports of their ministry progress.



Anonymous said...

I believe he may be attempting to attract new members because of the tithe income they have lost from members leaving in the recent years. Not that selling a book makes it right. As you said...freely give.

Anonymous said...

i'm confused with Brisby. He don't make sense much. Especially his Sermon about watching.

Did not HWA teach us to watch the world and the church . Christ told the 12 to all watch and stay awake . If you dont watch we fall asleep . stupidity is dangerous don't stop watching Europe middle east and the Church. I say unto you all WATCH

administrator said...

Your right, he is muddying the water bad. If anything, he should be giving equal attention to both. As ive said in other posts, those brethren over there are going to be left with some hard decisions in the coming months and years.

Anonymous said...

The group is being lost slowly. Doctrine is being lost from the beginning of the Ministry of Gods apostle Mr And Mrs Armstrong. Rejection of past truth and the two fold principles of Prophecy has taken place. Christ said watch. Watching world events and the church is exactly what the radio church warned about. Both to the world and especially it’s members. The good man of the house or Minister MUST watch be awake and very carful not to fall asleep 😴 at his responsibility. To say we don’t need to watch world news is foolish. The fruits of this mentality will be the virgins asleep before the return of Christ. Raymond was way better balanced in his approach than Brisby. Jon has fallen away slowly over the years. We do have a general understanding of end time events with the added spiritual dimensions with Holy Spirit. This spirit guides our minds enabling us clean visual view of revelation already delivered to HWA. Such as the time line of events- trumpets wows ect. Don’t forget or reject these teaching. Those were not from a man but revelation from God. Very foolish to say you can’t understand prophecy. You can know the identity of nations and history is in the greatest book ever revealed. Blow the dust of your bibles re study old good news magazines before the 1970s . Much has been dissolved completely by brisby in an effort to convince and confused new members. This is just what Satan wants to blind the minds . Of course Satan hates revelation and had caused confusion among us. My Question to all included me . Is God the Authenticator of Conflict Confusion? If not it’s simple to respond and return to the old teaching individually and save yourself from confusion. Never place trust in men otherwise you’re set for disappointments . Men go off course nothing new under the Sun.

Anonymous said...

I noticed he dislikes members in our local church asking him questions about prophecy lately.

administrator said...

It's your duty to come together as a church and admonish him for all of the false teachings he has proclaimed or allowed to be by others over the last several years.

Peter as preeminent 2011 - Catholic. Regardless if he preaches otherwise now, why has he refused to take the sermon down from the "order list"? Because secretly he still believes Peter is.

That it is okay to ask for a curse on someone if they do wrong to you 2014 - absolutely contrary to the Word of God.

Succession of a minister to his position, mentioned numerous times over the years - Catholic.

These are just 3 teachings of many that Mr. Brisby has taught and continues to. The latest set of messages should tell everyone in that group that something is a miss.

It is your duty as a scattered group and a part of the body of Christ to set things in order...look at the New Testament. Will you do it?


Anonymous said...

Who Can But Prophesy? evil spirit force obliterated the prophetic focus of the Church of God The Eternal . Amos 3:8 The lion hath roared, who will not fear? the Lord GOD hath spoken, who can but prophesy?

Your members are NOT following the Faith Once Delivered ! Amos 2:12
But ye gave the Nazarites wine to drink; and commanded the prophets, saying, Prophesy not.

Jon you have fulfilled the Scriptures . What a Sin to claim it's not Salvational one 3rd of your bible is based on Prophesy past present and future . Don't play games with God. Radio church of God was the faith Once Delivered ! GO Back in time . Get out of this group!

Anonymous said...

Your are 100% Correct . Jon Must change his attitude. Look at The EU and the down fall of USA. Turkey today . The Litz know and understand Jon told them not too prophesy!

Litz must take a stand fight for the old Radio church of God teachings .

Anonymous said...

Antichrist will and does say you -The Church is unable to know prophecies. This is a Spirit in the Church . look for Corrupt teachings . Never oppose the teachings of Christ given in Radio church of God in regards to prophecies.

old-timer said...

The United States or London are not part of the beast power. But Jon thinks this deep down. This Feast many are unhappy with Jon's interpretation of biblical prophecy The seeds of DOUBT are not Faith! Truth Mixed with error Brisby loves to play with your minds.

Anonymous said...

muddying the water bad i feel mixed up. Mr cole made sense Brisby has gone too far over the top. Satan must be happy

Anonymous said...

Today’s Headline out of Britain Was Written Over 40 Years Ago!

Britons voted to leave the European Union. Brexit is now reality. Herbert W. Armstrong forecast it in 1973. How did he know? Ask Brisby you blind people REPENT Jon

old-timer said...

This is what Mr. Armstrong said would happen—decades ago. Mr. Armstrong concluded that 1973 article by writing, “Britain’s entry into the European Community portends a tragic situation. Britain will be faced with a dilemma.”

Britain faced that dilemma, just as Mr. Armstrong predicted. But Jon said we can't understand. Well now he need's to Repent .

Mr. Armstrong was Right .

what a fool Jon

peter said...

Syria, Brexit, impeachment, quakes watch keep awake

Anonymous said...

prophecy is a salvation issue prove it here by watching with an open mind
Behind the Work 2019: Prophecy and Our End-Time Commission-
copy and paste link below
https://www.lcg.org/sermons/behind-work-2019-prophecy-and-our-end-time-commission

Listen very carefully) Church of God The Eternal Members need to go back to Radio Church of God Teachings .

grace said...

The Beast is not the USA or UK. Did he ever read the old original correspondence courses?

Anonymous said...

Yes there is changes under Brisby .

Anonymous said...

I love the new changes out with old Prophecies-collection of major, long-term predictions by HWA. Now we are free from fear . I hated old Prophecies Mr Brisby recently followed Grace International Ministries interpretation his a very brave Man. No need to watch world News Christ will save us all. God bless you. Us youth in the Church of God The Eternal love the new outlook on life of no fear just love. His really like Jesus in our little fellowship.

Jean family said...

FUNDAMENTALS of past Revelation get it straight. In a state ready to Die my Message to the Churches.These Not Normal Times It's time to wake up! NOTHING, in today's upset and jittery world, could be MORE IMPORTANT then to hold fast the original Revelation Unveiled At Last - Never give up wait for it. It shall come to pass!

Anonymous said...

How many members have left Brisby? Why did he change old radio church truth?

Sam said...

Jon Brisby has somewhere in the neighborhood of 300 worldwide left. That's about 200 here in the states, a handful in Europe, and some in the Phillipines and Africa.

My guess is that because everyone else is doing prophecy (Flurry, Pack, etc...), he is trying to find where he fits in to draw more tithe paying members in. There are just as many who dont care about prophecy, as there is that do.

Most of the old ones in his group have died off and some young families have left over other doctrinal changes. He is primarily left with the die-hard Jon Brisby worshippers, those who need their job in the office, and new ones that circulate in and out keeping the numbers about the same all the time.

God will not honor men who teach error, so despite all of the claims of holding onto the faith once delivered, this is what you get.

Its a matter of time before they crumble.

Thomas said...

Jon has taken his group into Uncharted waters. Prophecy in the Radio Church of God brought many new members into the Church. United States and British Commonwealth in Prophecy is still valid and we are built upon this sure foundation. When you play with your own understanding Interpretation as in the case of Brisby. We are not following Herbert W Armstrong or the faith once Given. Which was once given, that it may never be changed. It was Only Herbert Armstrong that gave us Old and New Testament Revelation from Christ. Can Revealed Truth Be Changed? NO! The Bible does point out, however, that there would be those who would change God’s truth (Dan. 7:25). We are warned, “My son, fear thou the LORD and the king: and meddle not with them that are given to change” (Prov. 24:21). Those who make changes that take us away from the truth of God are individuals who should be avoided at all cost. The Church of God the Eternal God’s church is now apostate . Since God does not change, why should we find this difficult to accept today? Will you members take a stand ? If the truth given to the Worldwide Church of God was genuine, then it is permanent truth. It cannot be changed! This includes correct understanding of nations -Abraham, Israel and Prophecy
• God’s promises to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob of physical blessings are being fulfilled currently in the twelve
tribes of Israel.
• God’s promise to Abraham of “Grace” for all mankind is fulfilled through Abraham’s descendent, Jesus Christ.
• Salvation is offered only to the faithful descendents of Abraham. However, any individual regardless of race or
sex becomes a “spiritual descendent” of Abraham through conversion.
• The key to understanding the prophecies of the Bible is to know who the descendents of the twelve tribes of
Israel are in this current age.
• The Jews represent only one tribe of Israel and the promises to Abraham of wealth and power are not fulfilled
in them alone.
• The “lost ten tribes” are not lost, only ignored by history and current academia. A significant percentage of the
following tribes can be proved to be found in the following nations:
o Manasseh (Joseph) United States
o Ephraim (Joseph) Great Britain, Canada and Australia
o Reuben France
o Zebulon Netherlands
o Issachar Finland
o Naphtali Sweden
o Benjamin Norway
o Dan Ireland and Denmark
o Gad ? central Europe: Luxembourg, parts of Germany and/or Switzerland?
o Asher ? South Africa and/or Belgium?
o Levi scattered among other tribes, predominately Judah, some as ministers or
priest.

So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold [tightly] to the traditions which you were taught, whether by word of mouth or by letter from us.

Joseph said...

did you all hear about the family in Switzerland?

Sam said...

No I did not hear about the family in Switzerland. What happened? Which family?

Andrea said...

have some left is that why the we don't read new letters from Jean? Is a split inevitable or has already happened?

Anonymous said...

aviolat family has left brisby ? keep us updated -

Anonymous said...

This group seems to be very unsettled with private interpretations of brisby. It’s sad Raymond Cole never added 21 new teachings. Not sure how brisby come to this conclusion. If Cole was alive today he wouldn’t be doing sermons over an hour trying to explain scripture. Brisby takes far too long in his videos. Wish it was possible to vote him out of office because we are all at risk of becoming asleep to end time events recorded in the bible. Seems his focus is on self and not God.

Anonymous said...

Please stop posting gossip. God will always back up Mr Brisby even if he’s wrong on doctrines. Jesus would not let us go off course. What changes? None! Only thing I dislike is Mrs Brisby not attending our youth camp. I would like her to lead by example in the kitchen teaching us girls how to cook. Hard to understand when we are called to serve- happy sabbath soon to enter reset from worrying as God is stronger than Satan . God works powerfully in Church just wish it’s more interesting and fun. I am starting to wear makeup more regularly and it’s ok for mr brisby he said nothing to me about it. His funny because he preached but no action. So us teenagers are not afraid to be ourselves both at church and in the world. Life is good. My mom tells me to stop attending if I don’t listen to service sermon. I only like mr brisby other ministers are too strict . Hopefully God continues to bless us . I’m going to beauty pageant soon God will help me win a prize. Wishing more children join or sign up life can be fun.

Bill said...

I am sick of this church group. There lies in the eyes of God. Change is everywhere. Those members must be blinded by a man. Why is our family blinded. He talks his way out of a witches hole. His always right we wrong. His way or no way. I’m fed up personal

Sam said...

I wondered if it was Jean Aviolat 7:27 and 7:31. Do we know for certain? Jean was side by side with Mr. Cole his entire ministry, and I always wondered when Brisby started teaching error years ago if Jean would catch on. It kind of makes sense now that when I read Jean's January 2019 letter, there seems to be a veiled message in it for the brethren to hold on, plus he always has done the January letters from the last few years and then COGTE goes and issues an old Aviolat letter right before the feast as if to show solidarity? Add that with Brisby making at least 2-3 statements in his "just what is the faith once delivered sermons" regarding any turmoil that may be on the horizon concerning the church, it makes sense. Of course, this is all assumption until we know for sure. One thing I know about Brisby if I know anything at all is that he is tactical. I've seen him work in many instances where he would stir up trouble over the years, and then in order to save face, would assassinate the character of the other person, spin stories, give sermons, etc... At least he was smart enough to set the church up in his own name so he gets all the money, have a condo that he lives in bought by the church, and other properties acquired so that when he really stirs the pot and it blows up in his face; he can walk away from it all with it all still being delusional that it was everyone else's fault. Let me ask you readers, who else do we know that acts like this?

Anonymous said...

World News Watch - Dresden: The German city that declared a 'Nazi emergency' Prophecy Comes Alive. Amos 2:12 And you commanded the prophets saying, 'You shall not prophesy!' Well it's about to come to pass wake up before it's too late.

No wonder Satan the Devil hates old Radio Church of God Prophecy

Terry Shimon said...

Hereby know ye the Spirit of God; every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. (I John 4:2-3) [emphasis mine]."
"The Apostle John was not saying that the proof was in agreeing that Christ had come to this earth almost 2,000 years ago. The test is admitting that 'Christ is come in the flesh.' The term is definitely present tense in the Greek, not past tense. It is an admonition for the last-day church--upon whom the ends of the world are come (1 Corinthians 10:11)--that we accept that Christ did manifest Himself by the divine inspiration of a chosen human servant in these last days, and that His revelation was true from the beginning of that work. All those now claiming we had to change doctrine forty years later to correct errors made by Mr. Armstrong are only admitting that they think it was a man's work all along, and not God's work after all. Whether they know it or not, they are actually saying that they do not believe Jesus Christ is come in this last time, having put His doctrine in the Church! And that is calling him a liar." [Excerpts from chapter 20 of A Peculiar Treasure by Jon W. Brisby]
Comment - To correlate these scriptures with Herbert Armstrong (as Jon Brisby does in his book) is blasphemy!

Jon Brisby is Off the Deep End: Would you all agree ? or i'm wrong ?

Sam said...

You are absolutely correct Terry.

Sam said...

Terry, 1 John 4:2-3 is exactly the same as 2 John 1:7-9. I'm sure youve heard this from Mr. Cole in years past, but a close study of the New Testament, especially shortly after Christ was crucified, shows that those who were attempting to undermine and destroy the faith of some were preaching that Jesus had not come; Just as the Apostle John stated. This would have been used to undermine the faith of those who had not literally seen Jesus in the flesh as the Apostles did, but had accepted that he did indeed come in the flesh "past tense" by faith. Keep it in context and it is correct, to interpret it any other way, is error, and as you said, blasphemy.

It is ironic because Brisby is going to the other side of the ditch and teaching "future tense", when those who were spreading falsehood about Jesus back at the time the Apostle John wrote, were saying it didn't even happen "pre-tense".

You realize this makes John Brisby (whether he understands it or not), "Anti-Christ"?

The other reason for preaching this the way Brisby has, is it serves as a way to keep the laity looking to him, or whatever man is current at the time. It keeps your eyes off Jesus and focused on him, or HWA, or whoever. Sounds kind of like the Catholic church does it not?

Anonymous said...

As the Sheep of God were can we go? Which Monday Pentecost Church of God would be the best? Jon is not the Voice of Christ he is off the deep end.

Scott W. said...

When I left Church of God, the Eternal about 10 years ago, I asked the very same questions. It became apparent to me over time that they were the wrong questions to ask.

The Bible tells us that the Sabbath is the sign between God and His people. When did Monday Pentecost become that? It only became that because men made it so, not God.

Gods people are scattered throughout all of the remnant groups today; and keep in mind, a majority of our brethren did not come into the church until after 1974. Does God fault someone for something they do not understand? By their fruits, you will know them.

I still keep the Sabbath and all of the other Holy Days including Pentecost on a Monday. I choose to fellowship with and keep Sabbaths with those in United COG and have found the Holy Spirit working effectively there. Many know that I keep a Monday and have had no issues with it. God wants us to be consistent in what we were called in doctrinally, but he also requires fellowship. You cannot grow without it.

Anonymous said...

www.afaithfulservant.com is a website dedicated to those things Raymond Cole taught in the early years of Church of God, The Eternal. This website is chalked full of audio clips, writings, and other valuable information on what a lay member in any church group should do when they begin to experience problems in their organization. Ironically, a majority of this information applies to what's happening currently in the organization he founded way back in 1975.

Anonymous said...

Why is Jon saying lately in his service (maybe so maybe Not) I’m honestly sick of this stupid reasonings. You can’t have your cake or candy and eat it too. With God it’s Yes or No truth or error. You should never mix or cause doubts in people’s minds. Just have faith and believe what was originally taught by hwa. Wait for it it shall come to pass. Though a man declared it unto you.

Anonymous said...

It’s a great website. After reading Mr Coles old monthly letters it’s plain to see the prayer requests in those days. Now Jon considers this practice a circle of prayer. Why was this changed? Are we not to pray one for another that we can be healed? No wonder many brothers and Sisters have haven’t had Gods Devine intervention in this group. It’s a change from what mr Cole taught us .

Anonymous said...

Remember back in 2014 when he said we could ask God for a curse upon our enemy when we pray? Sermon: Blessings and Cursings.

Anonymous said...

The words "Maybe so maybe not" when referring to God; is the very same way Satan addressed Eve in the Garden to deceive her into eating the fruit. What that statement does subconsciously is cause you to second guess what you have always known to be truth. Try the spirits, which is what it sounds like your doing.

Anonymous said...

Those Brothers & Sisters over at Church of God The Jon Brisby better Be on Watch for The man of Sin. Get Out or your going to follow error.

Gavin said...

Church of God The Jon Brisby . No God in that group. There not very Christian. We are by nature lovers of self (2 Timothy 3:2). Without a new heart, we spend our whole life falling in and out of love with ourselves — hating ourselves for every insecurity and failure, yet looking for every reason to excuse, promote, and praise ourselves.“Let the thief no longer steal, but rather let him labor, doing honest work with his own hands, so that he may have something to share with anyone in need” (Ephesians 4:28). Not so that he’s not tempted to steal anymore, but so that he has something to share. Give, and it will be given to you: good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will be put into your bosom. For with the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you -Never can we sell God's Truth to the General Public. His New book is selling on Amazon. This will be measured back unto you. God's truth can Never be sold.Freely you have received, freely give. High time to really get back to the faith once delivered this includes FREELY GIVE! To say that Jesus Is Come in the flesh today and Yet you sell the truth . Jesus Never Once Sold the truth and his not in your flesh because your not fulfilling his example. “Then if anyone tells you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah,’ or ‘There he is,’ don’t believe it. Matthew 24:23.Luke 17:23
People will tell you, 'Look, there He is,' or 'Here He is.' Do not go out or chase after them. speaking of many "deceivers" claiming divine authority - The Plain Truth is that this little group should have a new name : Church of God The Jon Brisby

Anonymous said...

Bethel Church of God has some recent growth and inspired messages for us all. Honestly would say Christ has moved his lamp. The sheep hear and follow his voice wherever He goes. The 7 churches Christ was in the midst and implied he goes more than once. Will the sheep follow Christ or a man. We better make the right decision as Christ is in our mist spiritually and the sheep hear that voice. One clear voice for the bride.

Michael said...

Yes it’s a mans Organization he isn’t Jesus but has claimed that official official of Christ. To say Christ Is come today is Antichrist. Mr Armstrong taught no such Doctrine.

Anonymous said...

The Church of God, Jon Brisby I would definitely agree with those statements. Even the website symbols were changed. The website looks absolutely worldly and Protestant. Bring back the rainbow 🌈. Was more appropriate . Jon has taken those of us in a wrong direction. I would hope our local congregation can see his errors and not be so wrapped up in a man. I’m afraid to speak out publicly in church because Jon has his spying campaign out searching for those that don’t agree.

Anonymous said...

It's interesting you mention spying campaign. I remember when I had to leave there 10 years ago over error, certain ones I called and thought were close friends began to turn and spy.

It is sad what happens to a person when they begin to look to physical men rather than God.

John said...

There has been a falling away. Because truth has been forsaken this is a last day prediction . One shall take you away with it. Satan is the one the evil one that catches away the word of God. The devil enters when Ministers refuses to repent and re announced incorrect Doctrines. The man of Sin would be revealed. It’s completely come to pass from within.

Anonymous said...

I remember a number of years ago, Jon Brisby in his "Venues of authority" series talked about something called a "Matrix Structure". He said that this "Matrix structure" was a practice that the corporate business world would use in their offices to get employees to basically spy on one another in order to come back to the boss with information. It was something he had apparently witnessed during his time in the insurance industry. He called it a evil and ungodly practice at that time.

Evidently it was not to ungodly that he saw fit to employ it himself within his congregation.

Anonymous said...

Yes This man likes feedback . He does enjoy idle talk and rumors in the home office, But I want to keep my Employment.

Anonymous said...

eset in the home office found a virus. Could this be a bug of Jon's?

Anonymous said...

I guess you would have to know what the virus is designated as, its description. That would tell you more.

I have no doubt that he is monitoring what each employee has been searching, looking at, etc..., that he can do through whoever handles the IT side of things.

If he is monitoring the employees, then his paranoia is worse than I expected.

Anonymous said...

after reading all the above and many bad experience i would make Analysis that devil and his demons has taken hold of Jon Brisby. God as our parent will give him the naughty stick. These fruits are not good fruits.

Anonymous said...

Your only seeking your Employment? Is that not self service?

Anonymous said...

Bethel Church of God IS THE ONLY group that never Turn to the Left or the Right . It's on the narrow path. 16 New truths are not new revelation. The doctrines of men are many with Brisby.They are opposed to Christ and His doctrine. They gather not with Christ but scatter, (Matt.12:30). Because of them "the Lord hath a controversy with the inhabitants of the Land."Who are these "seducing spirits." They are men. The American Standard Version of the scriptures says, "some shall fall away from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons through the hypocrisy of men that speak lies." These things have come to pass. The "doctrines of men" (which the Spirit calls "doctrines of devils") caused many to "depart from the faith." But it may be asked, "how can men be so cruel as to teach any kind of doctrine that "overthrows the faith" of men?" The Spirit says they do it "having their conscience seared with a hot iron." (verse 2). The Spirit goes on to name two of such doctrines: "forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats." This is strong language. It is in the language of the Holy Spirit. It is in the Bibles of those who teach and observe the doctrines here condemned as "doctrines of devils". But these are not the only doctrines that cause men to "depart from the faith" and which keep so many from the faith. THE DOCTRINES OF MEN MAKE VOID THE WORD OF GOD. Jesus said, "Ye have made void the word of God because of your tradition." (Matt. 15:6). The King James version says, "Ye make the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition." From the entire reading of Matthew 15:1-13 we see that the doctrines or traditions of men "make void the word of God" "make the commandments of God of none effect" -- make "vain the worship of those who teach or follow them, and are destined to be "rooted up". It is no marvel therefore that "the Lord hath a controversy with the inhabitants of the land".YOU CANNOT HAVE CHRIST WITHOUT HIS DOCTRINE. abide in the doctrine of Christ not in the doctrine of Cole or Brisby or any other man. Follow them only as they follow the WORDS of Christ.

Anonymous said...

Just What Do You Mean – Faith Once Delivered? #17 . Brisby said HWA would talk about the twigs. In all the years in God's Church never have i heard HWA talk about twigs . Yes he did reference the two trees and the trunk of the tree but the twigs really?

Anonymous said...

Now There is 21 New truths not 16 . I'm lost he is missing the mark or i don't get it. The Watchman should warn his people of the Assyrians. If Mr HWA was alive today he would be telling us about our sins as a nation. The hypocritical United states of America . Our Power will be broken in the middle east soon.

Europe Today : These nations were represented by the ten toes on the two legs of Nebuchadnezzar's statue in his dream which symbolized both the western (European) and the eastern (Middle Eastern) portions of the Roman Empire. Wake up it's Europe and Germany as the Assyrians. Jon Brisby is fast asleep.

Anonymous said...

For years, Jon has been putting words in both the mouths of HWA and Raymond Cole. These dead men cannot speak for themselves anymore.

It is paramount that the brethren still sitting in Church of God, The Eternal try every word that comes out of the mouth of that man. There is nothing that can be taken at face value that he says. The Bible is clear in proving. Failure to do so is only going to lead those brethren further into error.

God does not leave his people without the ability to look to him and to hold on regardless of which direction Jon takes the organization. Mr. Cole said decades ago that the "truth is the ship" so do not abandon it. If an organization or man leaves the truth, then abandon that organization, but hold onto the truth. Whether you do it in your living room with other brethren, or you seek an organization with similar beliefs, hold onto the truth, the ship. Men and organizations come and go, therefore do not be discouraged.

Anonymous said...

You can forget Bethel, they went south after Bryce died.

Anonymous said...

twigs ? The professor presents the material in a confused way. wacky & inconsistent.

Anonymous said...

Yes his understanding is very wacky . Definitely not from the beginning. Mr Armstrong had to learn the truth one step at a time . Truth was revealed to that man. The trumpets and seals along with prophecy was not correctly understood by other religions in Mr Armstrong’s time. God allowed him the insight to put all things in proper order. Don’t play with the original order and foundation. Revelation can never be changed by any man. In the end it shall speak. Those with eyes and ears better be alert on guard. The original radio church of God is somewhere on this earth 🌍 today. You all better be prepared to find it. Few be there that find it ?

Anonymous said...

Thank you for the news . The picture has become clear. Here in the Philippines we were upset with Mr brisby he forgot us in the photo albums for the church. The excuse was too costly. God our eternal is not pleased with an attitude like that. Are we not all one in Christ or is Christ separated?

Anonymous said...

Our Minister is self centred and one eyed. He cannot expect that Cole made errors after his struggles with health. Jon believes Jesus is come already to the earth in flesh. This is error. The JW believe Christ returned in 1914. We all know there in error. Mr Armstrong never seen Christ in the flesh nor has Cole or brisby or any other on earth minister on earth today. The devil would love us to accept Jesus is come now in flesh present on earth. You can reconsider the flesh from spirit. Worship in spirit and truth not flesh.

Anonymous said...

I am from the Philippines, I don't know what you are talking about. December 2, 2019 at 3:17 AM. You don't represent the WHOLE local congregation, your complaint is about what you think, not what WE THINK. So stop using " WE WERE UPSET". People should be very careful of opening up accusations if one wants to be part of that Kingdom. Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. If one makes a mistake, tell it to God, otherwise we will sure examples of Numbers 16 And it came to pass, when the congregation was gathered against Moses and against Aaron.

Anonymous said...

hi Philippines member here- Yes it's true some member very unhappy. Our Ministers are only moderately in the faith. The truth does Indeed, God is living and active but not in the flesh, His WORD sharper than any two-edged sword, We are not happy with Biblical doctrines under Brisby . False doctrines because I have not seen Christ in the flesh within our ministers here in the Philippines.

Sam said...

December 2, 2019 at 5:41 PM - Your Name Please? I know your name is Jon. Don't play games with God.

Anonymous said...

Just What Do You Mean – Faith Once Delivered? #17 No we are not relaxed. Why did Cole and Brisby latch onto the teaching that Jesus Christ is now here in his flesh ? You blame HWA for getting ideas from other men on the subject of prophecy. We need to evaluate every man. This teaching that jesus has come already in flesh came from jehovah's witness!

phil member said...

We the USA are the Beast! Mr brisby has new truth Jesus is in the flesh of this man. wake up

Anonymous said...

We love our dear leader. Mr Jon Brisby is just like jesus . His a fine man. His characteristics are those of the Apostles. I can testify his new truth.

Vera Bohmer said...

ELON MUSK will take over the world!
cruuunch..crunch...that's my Speculation.

Anonymous said...

I don’t agree whatsoever that USA 🇺🇸 is part of the beast. This would make the JW’S right. Witnesses teach the same on this subject on the beast of revelation. United Nations or nato today are broken in pride. Brisby seems to think America today is strong today . Our pride will be broken. Before a fall comes pride. Watch Germany watch Europe. The USA is gutted and gutless. We are not the beast. All of Europe will awaken watch the beast awaken in Europe. My friends would God allow error in the beginning? Have confidence in your beginnings.

Anonymous said...

Tell my people there sins. You have forgotten your heritage in radio church. The shame of our nakedness shows. Our eyes have became closed. We are confused not knowing. Maybe so maybe not. I’m separating from this fellowship because our understanding has become blurred. God hasn’t blessed this fellowship and no growth. Watch for a new church of god with the original teachings.

Anonymous said...

Don’t try and cover up . Your held accountable for the fact we are lukewarm allowed members to attend other feast sites in other groups. Brisby doesn’t know what’s going on here in the Philippians congregations do allow us to attend other feasts. You even allow some members to eat pork in church.

Anonymous said...

The virus was webcam logging.

Anonymous said...

Stop trolling this post with garbage. You know no one including yourself thinks Jon is like or is Jesus come in the flesh. No man is...so says the Bible.

If you want to really talk about what's going on over there, then lets talk.

out west said...

You all know it's not the original teaching. Also changing doctrine, is NOT considered garbage in a trash can. Are you saying or denying this fact of the truth? Did not Cole say Jesus HAS come in the flesh here now in a man ? And don't you think he comes back from time to time. These were quotes used over the years. It's time to make the teaching comprehensible and correct our error. NO ONE can change the Truth. Don't turn the truth into a lie. Why was this changed? Simply because men wanted authorization as the agents of Christ on earth today.

Anonymous said...

hi, peoples of the church. Bahamas here in Nassau small group of 9 still searching for the faith once delivered to the saints. We know and understand that Church of eternal is in need of the old definitions of the faith. 7th day church of God might be our best place of reset & fellowship. Thank God for this page as we understand much from this page.

Thank you

Anonymous said...

Your welcome. Please don’t send your offering or the 10th of income to church of God Jon Brisby. No work no message to the world. Just preaching to the converted. What selfish attitude. The good news is not declared just how to save self. This will not hold water with great god.

Anonymous said...

Those members are in danger believing Jesus is here already in flesh. Them might think there already born again. Don’t you see the errors? Strong delusion.

Anonymous said...

Apostate Daughter Church return to your roots . This group - We see, by their actions, that they lost their love of the Truth and departed.

Anonymous said...

ELON MUSK will take over the world! Jon is just a good type of Jesus and at times his ELON MUSK with 21 new truths

Anonymous said...

Elon Musk says he will nuke Mar's poles so the planet can be habitable.

David said...

Monthly Letter
December 2019
Do You Still Love the Truth
More Than Anything Else?
Robert G. Burke

YES we love the truth But do you love the Truth? You have allowed your boss to teach error and change. Take a stand for the truth that can never change. Why do you allow brisby to teach jesus has is come already in flesh on earth today .

Anonymous said...

men want authorization as the agents of Christ on earth today that's why those ministers teach Jesus is come here now currently on earth today in the flesh of a man.

Anonymous said...

The Unpardonable Sin
Robert J. Litz; Yachats, OR., 10-17-2019

THIS IS THE TRUTH ! Herbert W. Armstrong was God's TRUE Servant. He "Faithfully" hold all of the old teachings Of Mr Armstrong. United States and British Commonwealth in Prophecy!

Mr Litz I stand with you.

Samantha said...

Robert J. Litz we just don't understand his voice, His disability of voice is bad for our church. Also he chats too much about old HWA. The youth in the church need new truth not old. We need to be born again as new in jesus. Jesus saves us and we just want good times not old times. My parents agree, and there opinion is that our little Family Fellowship is under new truth change given unto us from MR Cole. Mr Cole gave new truths. Now Jesus is in the flesh of Mr Brisby working for the good of our church. Dress code in Sabbath could be more relaxed as i do enjoy Short Skirts more comfortable not because of fashion. The guy's would love a little Testosterone boost. It's time for us to be like other people of the world. But to sill love new truth.

Anonymous said...

Really?

Anonymous said...

What on earth has taken over our youth . Why do those young kids want change? Resisting the devil is the key to overcome. As for her saying she likes shot skirts no way. Not in Gods holy times. If I’m her farther I would in loving kindness chastised her.

Jenkins said...

Zombie 🧟‍♂️ kid smacking her little butt would teach her respect to self and others. shame on her.

Anonymous said...

We certainly are in the last days. Those young youths seek change. Certainly similar in WCG before the changes. I don’t blame the kids but the ministry over at church of god the eternal.

Anonymous said...

Get behind me Satan your an offence unto me

Anonymous said...

Why blame the minister? It’s the responsibility of the family head. Nothing to be with our Minister. Our Minister is filled with God and Jesus . It’s literally like a secret second coming of Jesus . He deserves our praise and support.

Bill Watson said...

Really? This Jesus is not here in secret. Falsely proclaiming it’s the Minister. Those men are just like the pope.

Anonymous said...

Where is all of this sensationalist "Raymond Cole and Jon Brisby are claiming to be Christ in the flesh" dribble coming from? If anything I have only ever heard them proclaim adamantly that being a minister makes them no better or more likely to be in God's kingdom than any lay member. They always readily admitted/admit that we all, including them, fall short of perfection and need God's mercy and forgiveness. We all, including them, have to overcome the carnal nature that we were born with.

I have never heard one of those ministers interpret the text which states "Jesus Christ IS come in the flesh" as a statement that they, physically, at this time, are Jesus Christ come back to the earth. It has always been given as a reiteration that Jesus Christ, the Word made flesh, is active in our world today and He promised to preserve a remnant with a ministry that is speaking with the INSPIRATION of Jesus Christ. Those who claim that there is no remnant today with an inspired ministry are therefore manifesting the spirit of antichrist.

Whether you believe that Raymond Cole and subsequently Jon Brisby are, though still human and imperfect as the rest of us, inspired ministers of God is up to each of us to decide. But if not them, there is an inspired ministry somewhere. God promised it would be so. But for someone to claim that Raymond Cole and Jon Brisby claim to literally be Christ returned to the earth in the flesh is utter nonsense. Anyone who thinks that has been said has clearly not been listening and missed the point.

Anonymous said...

Show me where in Bible scripture God said there would be one small group of inspired ministers only ministering to one small group. Show me.

Anonymous said...

any news on brisby? he has more fines for speed?

Anonymous said...

those 21 new truths from Raymond cole are not the faith so said Jon Brisby. Just What Do You Mean – Faith Once Delivered? #18

If this is the case why teach them? It's not the faith once delivered it's a just teachings from a man not from God!

Anonymous said...

I think the sermon series just What Do You Mean – Faith Once Delivered has been a waste of time. This added truths from Raymond was never part of the Faith Delivered . Brisby has taken this way too far and now has us confused. Much bewilderment with those sermons. Now the 18th message and Jon is off the course.

Anonymous said...

Members are crying out and are confused with the direction of the pastor general Jon Brisby. The faith once delivered is all the doctrine in the bible. We can’t take or add to Gods word. The bible for our time today is complete. What these men are attempting to do is add and take away from the words in the bible. The faith of some have been overthrown by men . Many are coming in Christ’s own name but are at the same time destroying the foundation that hwa built . Christ is a rock and upon that we have confidence of the truth faith delivered. Why try and tear and pick apart what god built through hwa. Jon’s book is completely un balanced and to denying the work of God is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. It was God’s work and allowed by purpose. Never can you try and separate yourself from prophecy and it’s purpose. Past present and future . Today harden not as in the days of old . But be teachable and let’s correct our narrow minded madness

Anonymous said...

Be afraid and be carful. His spying members will report you via feedback to there boss . No boss no wages. It’s all about money power. This allowed him to buy his condominium boat cars and wow a fat bank account.

Anonymous said...

Don’t forget Raymond said this statement in a sermon ( Don’t you think Christ returns every now and then to earth. Think about it brethren. Also he said Is come means present in flesh of a man. You cannot escape false teachings you must admit it’s wrong and repent or the candle stick will be removed. Don’t allow error . God is not the author of confusion.

Anonymous said...

The office staff have been upset with the spying on them with webcams

Anonymous said...

I love this fellowship but the foods are not good. I did enjoy better food in LCG . Some members are too Clicky on the sabbath.

I might just back my bags and head off back to LCG.

Anonymous said...

After reading all these posts it’s time to be set free. Why would you people pray and pay to a mans organisation. He owns his a Condominium and fast flashy Cars and a boat. He has house built in Philippines for his holiday. He tours the world site seeing and loves fine food at fancy restaurants. He travels internationally more then Herbert Armstrong ever did. Yet he states Herbert Armstrong travelling around the world meeting world leaders was a sin and not of God. What do you all think about this ?

Sam former member Son said...

Mr Cole never wanted to write a book why now? Just to have his name on the book Jon Brisby. Bethel church of God is not in error. Mrs Brisby mother is wise. She made the right decision along with those older members.

Anonymous said...

Hope Jon never seen her in the office having a smoke .

Anonymous said...

it's ok if we smoke don't make a judgment. She's just under stress

Anonymous said...

To be honest try and not be judgemental we are all under stress and our peace of mind is no longer. Some medicine is a great way to escape reality. Personally I use wine and spirits whisky. Mr Armstrong set the example and we need to imitate Him since he was God’s servant. We all know Jesus wasn’t born on Christmas Day so let’s just drink and remember he was born to be a king. All kings drink and nothing wrong with a meal with your family. Mr Cole said it’s ok in the beginning of this group and he allowed us all to be apart of Jesus. A king was born let’s bring spiritual gifts of love to all men of good will. Our children and families deserve to be apart of this love and joy . By this will all men know your my friends. Service and love . Truth sets you free. The director no longer believes old teachings handed down he must fully change his view because the young youth need a life not shut up and locked away from love . It’s my hope that we at grace international can welcome you all back to your mother. One church one faith one hope love and good will to all. Those attending in Church of God Jon Brisby should worship Jesus not a man saying his Jesus in his flesh. His saying your born again and this teachings are true. Happy holidays to those born again in flesh is come and born into the kingdom of Christ.

Anonymous said...

Final Wake-up Call get out.

jack said...

Do You Still Love the Truth
More Than Anything Else?
Robert G. Burke ? OR do you love a man that has much error?

Anonymous said...

No real Christianity with Church of God The Eternal.

Anonymous said...

The pre-eminent Minister is the man of sin. maybe so maybe not.

Liam said...

I'm going back to the The Philadelphia Church of God (PCG). Jon Brisby no longer believes Prophecy that God revealed to Mr HWA. United States of Europe! But our Minister now has the beast as the united states of America. This understanding is NOT based on the bible! He refutes HWA. I am truly sick of this animosity. My bible tells me to To stand fast, stand firm, persevere. Not do away or change prophecy. Don't You have a more sure word of prophecy? We know certainly, and we must recognize, discern and not allow the truth to be cast to the ground. Blessed Are Those Who Read And Study From the Book of Revelation. Mr. Armstrong said over 50 years ago. “You’re going to have to live and see it, and you’re going to have to know that God was speaking when He said that this thing was coming.”. The UK has left the EU Just like HWA said would happen. Why don't your Minister Repent and acknowledged this fulfilled prophecies? It's already come to pass! Your nakedness will be exposed and your shame uncovered. Let's give some recognition to Mr Herbert W. Armstrong . You will never be successful in trying to say MAYBE SO MAYBE NOT. YOUR GOD is NOT a spirit of doubt.

Anonymous said...

Grace International has , praised Jon Brisby. Saying His found Jesus Christ in true prophecy by not accepting past prophecy as shown by HWA. SHOCKING!

Anonymous said...

Jon said all the prophecy HWA had was British-Israelism to me personally. But that's not true.

Anonymous said...

separated into curds and whey" Jon never get's It!

Anonymous said...

Jon has upset older members but us young love him . His just like Christ the jesus on earth. We need to love him for the work. it's all about jesus . jesus has no fear but love. Those older members need to change or the church will die out.

member said...

If your pastor drives this kind of a car...he’s not very Jesus like...to say the least (yes I know who he is and who is cousin is...but that’s not the point). The point is the OBVIOUS

Anonymous said...

Maybe So Maybe Not ) Satan loves this nonsense.

Sam said...

I am glad to see that some on this post are serious about the trouble that is going on over there. Others are obviously being silly in order to distract. Remember, your loyalty is to God, not a man. When you hear error that begins to separate you from that which you first received and practiced in faith and confidence, then the Bible is clear on what must be done.

Mr. Brisby has muddied the waters for a number of years now in order to confuse the brethren. What this does is cause the laity to look to him because of this confusion. It is exactly what Satan wants you to do, look to a man.

What I did when I left is this: hold onto what you have. Do not get upset or confused and throw it away. That is also what Satan wants you to do. For him it would be a win win. God is okay with a time to reset and refresh and then he will help you find your way. Dont go running to other groups right away, that is a knee-jerk reaction. Take time to study your Bible and allow God to guide you. I promise he will.

Anonymous said...

I love Jesus

Anonymous said...

THANK OUR GOD FOR JESUS IN FLESH WITH MR BRISBY.

shem said...

A PECULIAR TREASURE BOOK Why the cross on the old radio church of God Symbol . That's pagan and was never used. This makes HWA look unclean . Oystershell is unclean !

Anonymous said...

Never seen the cross but i do now on his book. Very good eye for detail . Your correct in saying it makes hwa look unclean .

Anonymous said...

That's because it's unclean and full of dead mans bones.

Anonymous said...

About 40 years ago, Herbert W. Armstrong predicted that UK will leave the European Union!...it's come to pass in 2019. Jon W Brisby will have to acknowledge that this Major Event as prophesied has been fulfilled.

Anonymous said...

The simple truth about Brexit is that it was foretold in your Bible.

Herbert W. Armstrong said that Britain would not be in a soon-coming European superstate.

That forecast, based on Bible prophecy, is being proved true before your eyes. Jon you can eat some cake

out west said...

Nothing has come to pass. Mr Brisby would of already told us. Jesus is in this Church only. We don't eat cake sorry Sugar is a Sin. spiritual sin . So said Mr.Brisby in Church service. That's why Mr. Brisby never eats cakes. You have Sin. Our Church has NO Sin. That is why Jesus is come already in our church only. It's God's truth and the truth sets us free from all lies. These other groups are all wrong. Mr.Cole was the only one to keep the faith. I follow the faith and Our Minister his a Faithful Servant of Mr. Cole. I will only listen to our Beloved minister. He has helped my Mother many times with support & loans so we can get ahead. That's what Jesus would do too.

Anonymous said...

Mr and Mrs Brisby will not eat cakes. SO you eat it! Also your mouth need's to be shut. Our Minister knows best.

Anonymous said...

God's People today are in trouble. Mr Brisby can never be wrong. I fully support him 100%

Anonymous said...

falling away on the horizon. This Minister has setup the Church all under his own name. What does this tell us.

Anonymous said...

Receive a FREE copy!

A PECULIAR TREASURE
The Enduring Legacy of Herbert & Loma Armstrong

A book by Jon W. Brisby, Pastor and Director of Church of God, The Eternal.

This is not free ! It's the digital edition that is free Only. Why tell lies

I want Hard copy that is free. If Christ is come here now it should be free .

Anonymous said...

trying to understand why some are saying Christ is come to earth already in flesh. Can you please help me to understand the logical conclusion to this teaching. Jesus warns His disciples to discredit prophets claiming that He was on earth; rather, His coming would be like lightning shining from east to west (24:26–27). Borrowing the language of Daniel, Jesus promises to come “on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory” (24:30). He notes that the tribes of earth would mourn at His coming—not just Jerusalem, but all the earth (24:30). His visible coming will affect the entire earth. Has Jesus Already Returned in flesh ?

Anonymous said...

We have new understanding . Christ has come in the flesh and is here Presently. Yes he does come back every now and then. And the Scriptures show us it's not about Present Tense. 1 John 4:2-3 it's today not in the past. John is also alluding to the reality as to how Christ is to manifest Himself in our Ministers flesh in the present moment. Mr Cole and Mr Brisby both had Jesus in flesh giving us new truth's .

Anonymous said...

Switzerland member hello all. Did you hear the news?

Anonymous said...

What is the news with the Switzerland group?

Anonymous said...

I don't know am i the only one that thinks Jon's sermons are getting Twisted?

Anonymous said...

No you are not. I know of several who believe they are twisted and getting worse. I know that many are afraid to voice it to one another.

Vancouver said...

It is interesting how Jon throws Raymonds name around attaching it to every word he speaks as if it makes it truth. If one is going to do that, should they not provide historical proof, I.e. recordings and writings that prove that Raymond did indeed believe what Jon says he did about so many things? Yes he should, otherwise it is hearsay and nothing more. Anyone can say someone believed something, but without actual proof, it holds no weight.

santos no name said...

Philippines here reading. Some few here determine our group is split and not unified. I'm afraid of some Ministers and I would like to just kill myself. I feel sad have no confidence anymore.

Anonymous said...

Jon Brisby Sinks To A New Low" in sermons . His Reputation among his own members is at very low point in the History of God's Church. Many don't like him discrediting HWA. And I don't support any Minister trying to teach us unreliable evidence. He need's to GO.

Jon said...

NOTE : I Can See Your locations. I will take action to Protect God's Sheep. Troublemakers 1-8

Anonymous said...

How to Get Back on Track?
https://www.bethelcog.org/multimedia-archive/how-to-get-back-on-track/

Please take the time .

Anonymous said...

Oh brother. I doubt this is Jon, but if it is, take action on yourself.

Anonymous said...

What we know for certain is that within the “temple of God” there will be an actual person who claims to be God in the flesh. He will be Saying that Christ is come in the Flesh and is come already. So that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. Very serious my Brothers

Anonymous said...

Many are in the sate of deceived with “power, signs, and lying wonders. hearsay's without actual proof. lying Wonders mingled Truth and errors. Maybe So Maybe Not!

Anonymous said...

I believe Jon has put himself in that position without even knowing it.

Anonymous said...

Church of God The Eternal is off the pathway. Our family has been turned upside down. My Family is no longer fellowship with those members. We love them dearly but I’m not in agreement with the minister. Raymond Cole wouldn’t appreciate his new book. Especially advertisement on Sale sites. This work and church will come to nothing. Mr Brisby wouldn’t hear our concerns on Doctrines that we don’t agree with. He dismissed my concerns. Such a sad situation because it’s our eternal life’s at stake. I don’t believe Jesus comes back every now and then to earth. He believes Jesus has and is come into his Flesh. This is saying his the only true authority and this is very Dangerous. Mr Cole said we are not the only ones. He really thinks his Jesus chosen servant.

Anonymous said...

What’s this maybe so maybe not? I don’t get it. He wouldn’t say such things. This Sounds like Satan temptation to eve in the beautiful garden. Ministers don’t say such statements. What sermons was this mentioned?

South said...

How many members in Australia? A few have departed recently from reports in the office? Any updates would be appreciated.

Anonymous said...

santos no name January 4, 2020 at 2:08 AM, why do you want to kill yourself? if you kill yourself, you let satan win. after you kill yourself, you are just to going wake up with the same kind of attitude even worse, that defeat. i think i have an idea who you are, i am worried about you, a lot of the brethren care for you but you shut yourself from us. why?
if you are looking for a perfect group, perfect brethren, perfect everything, we will surely be disappointed. we all need time to grow to maturity. please don't hurt yourself.

fran said...

bonjour Madame. There has been an Exodus ? Jon has not told us. But he loves his feedback yet we don't get feedback from those Departed. Any News would be appreciated.

Anonymous said...

In almost every sermon in his current series "Just what do you mean - faith once delivered?", he says it regarding some teaching back in WW. I believe he even says it in the latest one #19.

You are correct, it is exactly what Satan says to Eve in the Garden...maybe so, maybe not.

Scott said...

You do not get feedback from those who leave because those who remain, are told not to contact them or listen to them if they were to give feedback. Scripture such as "if anyone brings not this doctrine, do not bid them godspeed" are used out of context in order to keep those who remain, in a fearful state. Until brethren standup against these wolves in suits and say enough is enough with the abuse of brethren and the teaching of false doctrine, things will remain as they have for thousands of years.

Our walk is a personal one, so if you believe you are hearing error in the least, the word of God commands each of us to act and remove ourselves from that error.

The Bible does not leave a called individual without a way to continue when you prove a minister to be false, otherwise it would contradict itself in the many admonitions given.

Be patient, dont jump from ship to ship. Breath, pray, study and allow God to guide you where to land. Hold onto what you first had confidence in, and I promise you, he will honor it.

Anonymous said...

Church of God, The Eternal Members . Special Message just for you all. Today's News Headlines . It's not maybe So maybe Not.

I'll Be Back: Germany is a Submarine Power, Again Did You Know Mr. Armstrong forecasting that Germany would rise again over 50 years ago? How did he know this United States of Europe would spring up in our time? Revealed in Bible prophecy. https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/ill-be-back-germany-submarine-power-again-110651

Anonymous said...

Thank you Scott do you still have confidence in prophecy as we were taught?

r. Armstrong knew a 10-nation union would rise out of Europe in these latter days when he went on the air in the radio church of God.

I fully know this will come to pass!

Scott said...

I do have confidence in prophecy, but I do not let it be my motivating factor for my walk as a Christian. I watch, but do not get raveled up in it.

Anonymous said...

Prophecy can be motivational for a Christian to Over come it's a gift. Radio Church of God had the truth!

west said...

Mr Jon Brisby has new prophesy. I like new truth. Why don't u all show respect ! God is a God of the living his truth changes over time . I do like the 21 New truths. These are new predictions that are from Christ .

Anonymous said...

I've lost track these Sermons have blown my mind. I don't Subscribe to these 21 new truths. This Formula is not part of the 10 Commandments. They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules. Matthew 15:9. Watch - Don't be deceived my friends. The Man of Sin is saying Christ Is & Has come already in the Flesh! This mystery is already at work. Satan has all power signs and lying wonders. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the (lie) NOTE: Lie) Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ,' and will deceive many. Matthew 24:3-5.
DO NOT believe every spirit, but test the spirits, The Lie is He Christ has already come in the flesh today on earth. This Man will be a Minister in the Church of God. Do you now see ? This is very serious.

Anonymous said...

brain washed if you ask me, brisby has gone off his head . what a silly group those people have thrown the baby out with the bath water.

Anonymous said...

West, if you truly believe this concerning Mr. Brisby, then you are foolish. You have not yet began to understand your Bible and what it says regarding unchanging truth and men like Brisby in these last days. Continue to follow him, and you will find yourself in the wrong place. So says the Word of God.

Anonymous said...

Very concerned member

Sam said...

Even though the man goes astray (which he has been), keep your eyes focused on Christ and the Word of God. The Bible is filled with examples of men who did and will continue to do what Brisby is doing. The Bible also tells us that when we begin to see this behaviour, to not be dismayed, surprised, shocked, etc...

In Matthew 17, God the father tells us to HEAR his son, not men; because in His son, he is well pleased. If we focus on men because they tell us over and over that they are speaking in the name of God, and yet start to go South, we will be sorely disappointed.

Keep your chin up and look to Gods word and the Holy Spirit to guide you. They will.

Anonymous said...

anonymous-Eugene

As New Testament Christians, we follow the examples set forth in scripture by Christ and His apostles. There is no precedent set forth in the New Testament for tithing as we practice it today. New converts to Christ were not instructed to give a tenth of any income, or of their crops or flocks, but only to take up a collection "as they have prospered" before Paul arrived in Corinth. 1Corinthians 16:2. None of His disciples paid a tithe to Him. Isn't it true that tithing became popular well after the apostles had all been long gone, after 150 AD? So if tithing wasn't commanded by Christ Himself, and His apostles didn't practice or teach this, why does the modern Christian church teach this doctrine? Wouldn't this be considered extra-scriptural, and a man-made doctrine?

Please understand I'm not wishing to be difficult, but I am genuinely curious about this practice. As I see our Members are struggling daily to meet the need's of there Families. As far as I understand, not even Jews today practice this, because their instructions were to pay the priests of the tribes of Levi, and the Levitical priesthood no longer exists. That isn't to say they don't give to their temples where they attend, but I don't believe it is called a "tithe." I have faith in Christ -
The inability of the Law to justify comes out in two ways. (1) The only way in which the Law could justify was through a complete obedience to its provisions. But it was impossible to render a complete obedience to it: and to offend in one point was "to be guilty of all;" so that practically, as a matter of fact, no one was justified by it. (2) Nor did it help men to justify themselves. It was something dead and lifeless--a mere written letter, possessing none of those "means of grace" which are offered by Christianity. Christ Himself, through faith in Him, is the great means.
Thank you in advance God bless!

free from Law In Christ said...

For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils, which some, stretching after, have been seduced away from the faith and have pierced themselves with many sorrows. Faith without money is based on the bible. We walk by faith .The Mighty wallet Men's Half Dollar Mighty Wallet - We are not saved by works, thus failing to tithe will not necessarily stop you entering into the World tomorrow. Ministers love to coerce people into giving, 1. Believers are no longer under the Mosaic covenant (Rom. 6:14–15; 7:5–6; Gal. 3:15–4:7; 2 Cor. 3:4–18).

Anonymous said...

Today we are under persecution in our family fellowship. Proves church of God The Eternal are the only ones to whom God will save. We are God’s holy righteous people. Jon’s book had made some angry. Respect your holy minister for the work sake. We love our Minister his very much filled with holy spiritual teaching. Shut your mouth. This blog is Satan inspired. We must keep the Law! Makes us as a church holy and rightly his only chosen ones.

Anonymous said...

I agree ☝️

Anonymous said...

Self-Inspection please

Sam said...

You would think these people would get that with Passover coming up. I guess that's something you don't have to do when you consider yourself THEE remnant.

Anonymous said...

The Church Of God Jon Brisby will flood members and persons with affection, flattery, and validation. Your Not special and unique. Your Not the only Ones. God's ministry is commanded to seek out the lost sheep (Ezekiel 34 Yes. In the larger sense, the Scriptures reveal that all of GOD's people have been like sheep that have gone astray spiritually, every man to his own way, because of sin (Isa 53:6). So in the broadest sense, this phrase refers to all the tribes of Israel including Gentiles with which they have mixed themselves through intermarriage. As In the Church of God The Eternal.

Eventually, the gospel message is for everyone universally. Eternal God demonstrated this when, on several occasions, he ministered to non-Jewish Gentiles including preaching the gospel message to the Samaritan woman in John chapter four.



His Coming Back. Your Master said...

Brexit's done. The UK has left the European Union. Jon Brisby Must acknowledged Herbert W. Armstrong was sent with Prophetic message. The long Range prophecy has now come to pass!

Did not Mr Armstrong forecast that to come to pass"? YES HE DID! almost no one thought this day would come in the Church of God The Eternal. How Did Herbert W. Armstrong Know? Mr. Armstrong made clear that Britain’s alliance with Europe would end.

Jon Must stand up and Repent and his members must ask questions!

(The stage is all set!” he wrote in 1956. “All that’s lacking now is the strong leader—the coming führer! The Germans are coming back from the destruction of World War ii in breathtaking manner. Germany is the economic and military heart of Europe. Probably Germany will lead and dominate the coming United States of Europe.”

“But Britain,” he wrote, “will be no part of it!”)

JON DON"T PLAY Games

Tell YOUR PEOPLE and the World -

As Mr. Armstrong foretold, Germany is going to lead a resurrected “Holy Roman Empire” that Britain will not be a part of. So what does the Bible prophesy now? These same prophecies that informed Mr. Armstrong’s bold writings forecast that this German-led “Holy Roman Empire” will conquer, invade and put the British people—as well as the American people—into captivity!

Your bible said your going into Captivity unless you Repent . These prophecies will come to pass! This may be hard for you to believe Jon Brisby , but it is true. In Faith you must act and repent

His Coming Back. Your Master said...

Brexit's done. The UK has left the European Union. Jon Brisby Must acknowledged Herbert W. Armstrong was sent with Prophetic message. The long Range prophecy has now come to pass!

Did not Mr Armstrong forecast that to come to pass"? YES HE DID! almost no one thought this day would come in the Church of God The Eternal. How Did Herbert W. Armstrong Know? Mr. Armstrong made clear that Britain’s alliance with Europe would end.

Jon Must stand up and Repent and his members must ask questions!

(The stage is all set!” he wrote in 1956. “All that’s lacking now is the strong leader—the coming führer! The Germans are coming back from the destruction of World War ii in breathtaking manner. Germany is the economic and military heart of Europe. Probably Germany will lead and dominate the coming United States of Europe.”

“But Britain,” he wrote, “will be no part of it!”)

JON DON"T PLAY Games

Tell YOUR PEOPLE and the World -

As Mr. Armstrong foretold, Germany is going to lead a resurrected “Holy Roman Empire” that Britain will not be a part of. So what does the Bible prophesy now? These same prophecies that informed Mr. Armstrong’s bold writings forecast that this German-led “Holy Roman Empire” will conquer, invade and put the British people—as well as the American people—into captivity!

Your bible said your going into Captivity unless you Repent . These prophecies will come to pass! This may be hard for you to believe Jon Brisby , but it is true. In Faith you must act and repent

Anonymous said...

Mr Brisby will never repent or change. He is right in his own eyes. Jon Zombie should read the ultimate minecraft survival guide. I have lost interest in church services my mom said jon need's stop acting like God.

Anonymous said...

Men Are Tempted to Lust – Women Are Tempted to Be Lusted After some young girls in our Church want Men to lust after them. Some in our congregation are horny after church and trying to hook up after Church with those daddy.

Anonymous said...

This Church has NO lust it's the Body of Jesus Christ in the flesh on earth Today. To Lust is Sin. Our young youth are the most respectful and to say there Lusting is just lies Persecution. Well that's just to be expected right?

Anonymous said...

John Brisby taught me what true lust is! He is so hot when he is preaching. I never listen to is messages anymore, but sit there admiring him and his masculine body.

Anonymous said...

February 2, 2020 at 11:19 PM?

Please Explain??

Anonymous said...

I agree! I saw him preach at the Feast this year. Be still my heart!

Anonymous said...

Bisby now preaches the doctrines of demons. Setting himself up as Jesus in the flesh is disgusting.

Anonymous said...

Titles, Tasks and Testaments sermon

You all must remember when Raymond Cole said Jon Brisby is Joshua. Ok was that not Titles ? We must remember the Man of Sin it's a Title and we must be on watch . Satan will use a man in the Church of God. This man will have a Title !

Anonymous said...

Jon Brisby would like you all to shut up! Many shall come in my name saying Jesus is come in the Minister

Anonymous said...

Bisby comes in the name of Legion.

Elena/Switzerland said...

Monthly Letter
February 2020
Church of God, The Eternal -
a Forty-five Year History
Jon W. Brisby


What About Our Work? I think Jon should say God's Work. Most Interesting don't you think?

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