Wednesday, April 18, 2018

Church of God, The Eternal's Jon Brisby Sinks To A New Vile Low



One of the vilest teachings of the church that was brutally enforced over the decades was the "divorce and remarriage" doctrine/teaching.  Countless stories have been told over the decades of loving couples and families ripped to pieces by the Church of God's vile stance.  Most had probably thought those days were long gone, but it is not.

This letter was posted on Exit and Support and describes the vile and unChristian teachings of Jon Brisby:

I wanted to write and thank you for helping people who have left or will leave the "Armstrong cult groups." I was born into the WWCG. It helped to destroy my whole family--my parents, my siblings, and up until this year, even me. We all made some mistakes and bad choices on our own but Herbert Armstrong and his ministers, splinters, and even some members, helped destroy my family emotionally, just with the judgmental attitudes, being made to feel we were in "hot water" with God, telling us that outsiders were of the world, etc. My most recent minister Jon W. Brisby (Church of God, the Eternal) has even told me that my lack of financial comfort is the result of my "not living in a pleasing enough way for God." I was also told that my family is the "church" now and no longer my kids, since they are not members. Luckily, my kids grew up against the Armstrong teachings and have their own beliefs. As for me, I am finally what I consider to be "out of the dark" of these Armstrong worshippers. I emailed my minister two weeks ago and explained my decision to leave. He has yet to respond. 
Church of God, The Eternal (COGE) is a small group. The lead minister is Jon W. Brisby (age 55). He has some wild ideas. A married couple came to the group from LCG a few years ago. They had been married for about 18 years. Brisby soon found out that the man had been married briefly to someone else when he was a really young man. They divorced and his ex married someone else. Anyway, this married couple of 18 plus years were instructed to split up and live separately but not get divorced. Jon Brisby told him that if his ex wife happens to die then and only then can he and his current wife live as a couple again. The couple have remodeled their home and made it into a duplex. They each live in one of the side by side units. They are allowed to go back and forth to each other's apartment for meal times but not allowed to sleep, shower or linger at each other's place. At the Feast of Tabernacles and Pentecost they were not permitted to sit together for services. This couple is in their 50's also.
There is another man, a single man around age 60. This man was also married but years ago his wife left him and married a Seventh Day Adventist. Brisby told him he must never remarry. This man said God would not allow him to marry unless his ex died. Brisby stays in total control of the dating and marriage relationships in the group. He comes off as very intensely and genuinely kind, but if he feels you cross him, then he gets an attitude and can be very arrogant. 
--Kandice Cunning (Child survivor of WCG; Former member of COGE)
Church of God, the Eternal has on its page the following which is used as a weapon to stop members from writing such things as was done above.  They seek to create the myth that all of the things they teach are directly from Christ, passed down through the apostles to Bisby and others today.  To deny what they teach is blasphemy and denial of the truth which separates the "rebellious" from God.

What God gave to Moses, He gave to Christ. What Christ taught to the apostles, He commissioned them to proclaim in their designated areas. What Christ and the apostles taught was the same as was revealed to Paul. And what all those servants taught is exactly what was given to an end-time servant (Matthew 28:19–20). For those who will hear, our purpose is to honor and proclaim that same way of life—the faith once delivered. In that way is found no part of the way given to Gentiles—people of the world (Deuteronomy 12:1–3; 4:1–40, Acts 14:16). We want the ways of God. We are not interested in any of the traditions or customs of this world. God’s servant of these last days at no time made the pagan customs of this world a part of the doctrine. The spirit which introduces change, and/or a relaxation of the doctrine is as much at work today as it was in the past. The called of God must be on guard incessantly. That spirit is a deceiver. He will do anything to destroy.
One concluding observation seems to be necessary. Those who believed and loved the Truth of God have remained strong, loyal, and faithful. On the other hand, it seems that everyone who was “argued” into acceptance of the “faith once delivered” has failed ultimately. It, indeed, seems like God is separating those who believe and love the Truth from those who must surely have accepted only on the basis of their own personal intellectual prowess.
Satan and his demons hate the ways of God. They will do anything to disrupt, challenge, and destroy. Such behavior is a manifestation of who and what the true people of God are all about. They persecuted Christ. In like manner they will do the same thing to those in whom Christ lives. The faithful of God will count it a privilege to suffer for the cause of righteousness. They will be persecuted and lied about with abandon, but these chosen children of God will know who they are. They love the Truth and will for no cause allow themselves to turn from it. They are the ones who will endure to the end.
Who are we? We are estranged members—a remnant (Romans 9:27–33; 11:1–5, Isaiah 1:8–9, Revelation 12:13–17)—from the apostate body (2 Thessalonians 2:1–3) who sincerely love God’s revealed Truth from the heart (2 Thessalonians 2:10), willing to remain faithful to the end (Matthew 24:13). That Truth which was taught by Christ (John 14:6; 12:48–50), that Truth which Christ commissioned the Twelve Apostles to teach (Matthew 28:20). Which was the same message taught by the Apostle Paul (Galatians 1:6–16, 1 Thessalonians 2:12–14). Which was the same message taught by an end-time servant (Matthew 28:19–20). Which had significant beginning with Moses (Hebrews 4:1–3). The Truth which is now obeyed from a spiritual premise (2 Corinthians 3:1–11).
These are the people that God’s true ministry desires to serve. It is our purpose to give you our energy and our love.  Letter from Raymond Cole



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Anonymous said...

Huh?

Anonymous said...

I would like to read this blog. Moderation please check and allow more comments about Jon's little group . Many thanks

Anonymous said...

those poor people locked up under Law. In Christ we are free to live life to the full. Those Ministers are locked up under Hagar and Slavery Vs. Sarah and Freedom. Tell me, you who desire to be under law, do you not hear the law? That's the way a lot of professing Christians try to keep the commandments of Christ. They don't really delight to do them, but they feel some uncomfortable constraints like social pressures or fear of hell or desire to impress someone. So they go through outward motions of obedience, but the desire of their hearts is fixed somewhere else. They do not enjoy the freedom of desire which Christ gives when he is being formed in the heart (Galatians 4:19). Paul simply says that those who are turning back to the law of Moses as a job description for how to earn the wages of blessing from God should listen to what the law says. Read More here https://www.desiringgod.org/messages/hagar-and-slavery-vs-sarah-and-freedom

Anonymous said...

Isaiah 30:10

Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:”

Therefore this iniquity shall be to you as a breach ready to fall, swelling out in a high wall, whose breaking cometh suddenly at an instant.

Numbers 14:34
After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, [even] forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, [even] forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.

40 + years you reject Herbert W. Armstrong on Prophecy. We're exactly at the crossroads -- we're at a place where something is brewing that is going to happen . Who is the Watch Man ? Brisby ?

https://www.theabidingchurchofgod.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Russia-and-China-in-Prophecy-1987.pdf

Anonymous said...

Brisby didn’t watch or warn us . He loves his Work too much . He too busy counting your dimes

Anonymous said...


PROPHECY UPDATE NEWS HEADLINES

Yesterday's Prophecies HWA - Today's Headlines

‘Everything is on the table, coalition of the willing .

Though Vladimir Putin’s Russia will not be the beast of Revelation, he is still worthy of close watch.

All of these revivals have been based in Europe. Never in USA.
The final revival of the Roman Empire will be unique. It will be a union of “ten kings” (Daniel 2:42-44; Revelation 17:12). These 10 political units will unite and give authority to one man- The “beast” will be attacked by a power to the north and east. Will Brisby tell you that my friends? Those watching recent events will notice that Russia is resisting European influence in the Ukraine and is developing stronger ties with China. This is exactly what students of Bible prophecy would expect based on Daniel 11:44!

Wise students of Bible prophecy should continue watching Europe and Russia!

Jon and his little Church - Now while the bridegroom delayed, they all slumbered and slept.
You Must Wake up .

all became drowsy and fell asleep Yes all those Monday Groups are asleep not watching or able to understand prophecy.

Note: bridegroom didn’t show up when they expected
Why ? Wake UP.

Ephesians 5:14

For this reason it says,
“Awake, sleeper,
And arise from the dead,
And Christ will shine on you.”

Wake up,

Romans 13:11
V s
Do this, knowing the time, that it is already the hour for you to awaken from sleep; for now salvation is nearer to us than when we believed.


Proverbs 6:9
How long will you lie down, O sluggard?
When will you arise from your sleep?

The Plain Truth !!

Anonymous said...

https://news.sky.com/watch-live

WATCH-

Anonymous said...

Snap trap love those Haribo Gold Bears. The Happy World of Jon Brisby. He sure is asleep.

Anonymous said...

His NOT counting my dimes. All my Tithes go into the earth Bank. May need to Dig them back up if Russia send's us a Nuke.

Anonymous said...

Get your focus on Christ and Jon . Our church is doing a powerful work standing up against corruption in church’s of God .

Anonymous said...

I will keep my focus on Christ, but never a man. Read your Bible. Secondly, there is nothing remotely powerful about what your organization is doing. Regurgitating the same physical laws over and over year after year means nothing when you have completely and totally abandoned the spiritual side at the behest of your leader.

Anonymous said...

After Reading Blog there may be a true prophet alive inside Joh Brisby's group

Anonymous said...

We all should Embrace Radio Church of God Foundation. Radio Church of God Broadcast - 1941
https://www.hwalibrary.com/cgi-bin/get/hwa.cgi?action=getbroadcast&InfoID=1475165300

Tim said...

By Mr. Herbert Armstrong's own admission, the
The Church Of God The Eternal should return to its original teachings ["Get Back
on Track"]. Prophecy YOU jumped off Track. Armstrong originally taught about Truth—that it comes only by revelation to a chosen servant, Mr. Armstrong prophesied on end time Nations and made know the prophesied events to happen.

But Jon is off track fast asleep , He simply Rejects HWA gift's of prophecy.

Look at Russia Today.

USA is broken in Pride and Power.

A prophet is basically a spokesman for God yet Brisby is false hiding away like a little Child.

Anonymous said...

Most sincerely in love and heartfelt appreciation for your Money.

Anonymous said...

Putin asks parliament for right to use Russian military abroad,

WHY you may ask, Well my Friends wake up before it's too late to Repent.


Russian military NEVER lost track of upwards of 100 nuclear suitcase bombs. USA were all sleeping to lies.

Anonymous said...

27 countries in EU . Watch many fall my friends. Watch, Watch, Watch, 10 Will Rise out of the 27. Your Beast Will be Wild, WATCH

Anonymous said...

No one else believes what Mr. Armstrong originally taught about Truth.

New International Version
Do not treat prophecies with contempt

New Living Translation
Do not scoff at prophecies,

English Standard Version
Do not despise prophecies,

Berean Study Bible
Do not treat prophecies with contempt,

Berean Literal Bible
Do not despise prophecies,

New American Standard Bible
do not despise prophetic utterances.

King James Bible
Despise not prophesyings.

Christian Standard Bible
Don't despise prophecies,

Contemporary English Version
or ignore prophecies.

Good News Translation
do not despise inspired messages.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Don't despise prophecies,

International Standard Version
Do not despise prophecies.

NET Bible
Do not treat prophecies with contempt.

New Heart English Bible
Do not treat prophecies with contempt,

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Do not reject prophecy.

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Don't despise what God has revealed.

New American Standard 1977
do not despise prophetic utterances.

Jubilee Bible 2000
Despise not prophecies.

King James 2000 Bible
Despise not prophesying.

American King James Version
Despise not prophesyings.

American Standard Version
despise not prophesyings;

Douay-Rheims Bible
Despise not prophecies.

Darby Bible Translation
do not lightly esteem prophecies;

English Revised Version
despise not prophesyings;

Webster's Bible Translation
Despise not prophesyings.

Weymouth New Testament
Do not think meanly of utterances of prophecy;

World English Bible
Don't despise prophesies.

Young's Literal Translation
prophesyings despise not;

Anonymous said...

shut up u crazy

Anonymous said...

only Brisby will be wild he hates our Blog

Anonymous said...

Mr. Brisby is God's anointed minister to lead the church into the Kingdom of God. He cannot be stopped now as this vital message goes out to the church and the world! Christ works directly within him to guide us in truth.

Anonymous said...

we are all ready to go into place of protection . Jon will tell us when and were to go hide.

Anonymous said...

Cult religious behaviors. Don't run and Hide Let your Light Shine. Jon will tell you no such information.

Anonymous said...

Ezekiel was first commissioned as a "watchman" in Ezekiel 3:16-21 Do you now see the Russian sword?

Ezekiel's prophecies did not fall on friendly ears.

revelation is real but you reject prophecy .

Anonymous said...

Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog RUSSIA...15...you will come from your place out of the far north... (Ezekiel 38:14-15.

A Russian confederation is that only place on the planet that is in the far north and currently has massive military power.

WAKE UP,

Anonymous said...

Get your mind's of Russia ok. We need Grace and Love . War is not Love. Brisby has the love of Jesus he hates any war and predictions.

Anonymous said...

Well could be a prophet inside Jon Brisby Church. I know that's not liked or
popular with Jon. If Christ was in Jon would he not Warn the Church ? Think about it
brethren. Before they spring forth I proclaim them to you.” Who has believed our report?” Isa 53:1.Prophecy is a forecast. It is a message from God signifying His
revealed intent and purpose.
God makes His will known in advance so man cannot claim
knowledge superior to God's. God does not allow man or man's idols to take credit for revealing
the future (Isaiah 48:3–8.

It's my duty to make that Truth
known. Did you know prophecies were direct, timely ? If Not why not? YOU NEED TO FIND THE TRUE Servant Today. YES YOU THE CHURCH . "Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like
a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins"

Our Church Has the SIN of Unbelief!

Unbelief in Prophecy Revealed to Herbert W. Armstrong!

Anonymous said...


Pope announces 2 March as day of prayer and fasting for Ukraine
Pope Francis says his heart aches over the situation in Ukraine and announces a “Day of Fasting for Peace” on Ash Wednesday.

Will your church be fasting ?

Shame on YOU

Dan said...

Why should our Church be fasting for the people of the World?

We have Never done fasting as a collective group in our Church History.

Don't worry about War . Have more fruit , Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.

All things will go away in Jesus ! Just hear Mr.Brisby his word's are the true Mouth of Jesus.

No need to Watch Russia . Just Watch yourself . Our own characteristic in flesh we must overcome.

Pray for Mr Brisby to allow our Church go forth with Power Glory and spirit force.

Anonymous said...

"who and where is Christ since His physical days in the flesh." He Mr Cole began to make himself the pope, Jon Brisby still believes that Christ is come. This Places them above God and the people His called to serve. You see there would be no point for Christ to come Revelation 22:7 “Look, I am coming soon! Blessed is he who heeds the words of the prophecy of this book.”

Anonymous said...

Jon only knows what he has been told by Cole. His chaotic and confused. Please pray for our Church. God who does not change. He is the same, yesterday, today, and forever , Why did we change the Radio Church of God Subject on Prophecy ? We reject HWA yet we follow a Man Today claiming filled with Christ.

evidence or proof of something The unusual statement, 'For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy', appears in Rev 19:9 -10,

Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy is He Come in Brisby?

Unfortunately, many scorn the study of Bible prophecy.

Paul encouraged the early believers by writing, “Do not put out the Spirit’s fire; do not treat prophecies with contempt. Test everything. Hold on to the good.” (1 Thessalonians 5:19-21).

YOU all must recognized this manifestation correctly.

Jesus said to His disciples, “But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you.” (John 16:13,14)

The Bible indicates the remnant will “hold on to the testimony of Jesus.” Is your Pastor ? If Not why not?

Anonymous said...

WAKE UP ---------World News Watch -------Watch---------------

Germany and Israel press for more Russia-Ukraine peace talks

He reaffirmed Germany's commitment to Israel's security, saying Germany's responsibilities had been made clear to him once again by a visit to Israel's Holocaust memorial, Yad Vashem. "You can rely on it. Germany will continue to be steadfast at Israel's side.

Russian foreign minister Sergei Lavrov warns World War 3 would be ‘nuclear and destructive’.

Watch Germany Watch wake up

Anonymous said...

watch your own Sins

Anonymous said...

Accordance with good stewardship, the Church of God , The Eternal Should annually gives you an accounting all your contributions, and a statement of its income and expenditures for the year. We have Never seen those details.

Anonymous said...

https://www.cbcg.org/live-services.html

come hear prophesy and today's News.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Brisby is our Pastor he would know world news, SO please don't post things on this blog. Satan the Devil loves to gossip. Predictions among the Churches of God are all gossip and are simply not confirmed as being true. We all should pray, for Peace and love in the Churches. Our Church” is portrayed sitting on top of God, We the ornament of God. All fragments left standing in Church of God Groups Must come to see we are only the last remnant left. It is not, and never was the Church's responsibility to enforce Predictions or man-made speculations. Get your eyes off your Television sets and Radio Broadcasts. We only need to Keep a close watch on ourselves never World News. We Need Good News! Never Bad News. Only Church of God, The Eternal has real Peace in Christ and Mr. Brisby is inspired free from any fears. True Peace and love are the fruit of the true Church. See no evil fear no evil as the old saying goes.

Anonymous said...

LOL

Anonymous said...

Same pope spirit. Same antichrist logic.

Anonymous said...

Yes yes, and two spoon fulls of raw honey in a glass of carob with goats milk

Anonymous said...

They have fruits and nuts.

Anonymous said...

Are you not watching Russia Today and it’s a destroying killing machine. Germany has awakened your Beast in Europe is rising before your very own eyes. Oh yes but your not watching so your blind.

Anonymous said...

He still likes whiskey

Anonymous said...

fruits nuts and whiskey mixed with fruit = froot and loops. Sweetened YES YES

J LeBleu said...

LMAO. 😂 😂 😂 😂

Anonymous said...

COG members fearful of world events know no peace because the church has never taught it. True peace lies with Mr. Brisby as Christ is working directly in him. Christ is the giver of peace and Mr. Brisby is his embodiment here on earth. Stop listening to false COG prophets and turn your focus upon true peace in the Church of God, the Eternal. True peace walks among us!

J LeBleu said...

Brainwashed

J LeBleu said...

I could own a duck for 10 years, and never hear as many quacks as I've seen in this blog. Was funny though. Jon always said, if you don't believe it, don't just leave it, RUN. Best choice I ever made. I mean, he gives disclaimers. And all you that sit there week after week grumbling and unhappy, grow a pair and leave. Herbie was making false predictions the very first year (1934). THAT was the year to leave. THAT was the bathwater to throw out with the millerite baby. Oh wait, you think you're one of 300ish potentials out of 8 billion living people that God was so enamored with that he called you into a church that doesn't evangelize, so you can train to be God himself someday? Or maybe, just maybe, you're in a cult?
Btw if you're one of those who worship Cole (my grandpa) but reject Jon, keep in mind Cole started the "Christ IS come" teaching, so you should probably just follow Joshua to the promised land.. or leave and find a new foundation. I recommend Jesus.

John L said...

J LeBleu Please Repent and come back to Church . We know Satan can be cast out and you can be free once again in Christ.

Hermit W. Armpit said...

J LeBleu please accept HWA as gods anointed end time messiah and redeem your soul by sending in your tithes and offerings.

J LeBleu said...

😂

J LeBleu said...
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J LeBleu said...

I have some organic carob, brown rice and a pound of whole wheat mixed with dirt and some books about the Nazis. Will 1/3 of those count? Actually, I'm feeling generous, you can have it all

J LeBleu said...

Armstrong admitting he's a false prophet from his own mouth;
https://youtu.be/UB-mxI6OC_A

Read the June/July 1934 Plain Truth and tell me if the end of the age of gentiles and tribulation started in 1936? Did Jesus return in 1944? Look at his time line diagram;
http://www.herbert-w-armstrong.org/indexPT1930.html

Just a couple examples out of hundreds probably thousands proving that the movement should have been abandoned by biblical discerning Christians all the way back in the very beginning. Never mind the mixed bag of doctrines, cherry picked from the old covenant and sprinkled into the new. Forget all of it and start over. You've been deceived by charisma. Repent and come out. Where is the truth? Jesus Christ is the truth, the way and the life. Reject the spirit of fear and repent of the sin of idolizing and following a man. Research the Millerites, and find out what movements descended from them. From there, you will learn to question what authority HWA had in anything. The doctrines dangle by a shoe string, and just a little match lit by testing all things, brings the whole charade tumbling down. Exit support network is a great place to help you in your journey from darkness into Christ's marvelous light.
https://exitsupportnetwork.com/

Anonymous said...

Thank you Jesse LeBleu. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB-mxI6OC_A

wow i'm blown away lost for words.



J LeBleu said...

A collection of false WW predictions:
https://hwarmstrong.com/prophet-1.htm

HWA's grandson admitting the incest allegations were true and known in the family. Skip to one hour mark:
https://hwarmstrong.com/media/larry-sound_leveled.mp3

HWA's niece admitting her mom and other family members said it was true. Skip to 50 minute mark:
https://hwarmstrong.com/media/SSH_COC_5_Deborah.mp3

A good resource to help you decide once and for all about the incest if his own family admissions aren't enough:
https://hwarmstrong.com/incest-herbert-armstrong-confesses.htm

The truth is out there if you're will to try all things.

False prophecy and incest. In the very beginning of the "work." The very beginning. If you want to keep Sabbaths and days, I'd find another source of instruction, because this guy will make you guilty by association. Please feel free to explain why hundreds of false predictions is ok. Please explain to me how a man of God can rape his own daughter? Remember, it wasn't after being "revealed the truth" then years later he had a sick moment of weakness or misjudgements.. it was from the very inception. That means the doctrines you've been convinced to believe are the truth, were formulated while all manner of false prophecy was also being made, and his own daughter being molested. Shame on you. Guilty by association. You can take your Loma picture off the wall now.

OK Boomer said...

Another collection of Radio-Worldwide false prophesies

https://armstrongismlibrary.blogspot.com/p/herbert-armstrongs-documented.html?m=1

Anonymous said...

Please hear Mr.Brisby he hates Sin. You need to hear Jesus' message about Sin. Jesus comes into Mr. Brisby to deliver those truths.

Only Mr.Brisby has the keys to the kingdom. Jesus reveals to us those hidden treasures.

Secret revelation belongs unto his anointed.

Anonymous said...

I'm sure Mr. Brisby does hate sin, but who's sin? Who's sin does he give a pass to? Furthermore, it's none of his business if someone sins. If it does not affect his cult, then he has no business getting involved. It is between the individual and Jesus. And if you think Jesus is in Jon, you better go back and dust the Bible off to see exactly what it says about his speech and his behavior. I recommend 3rd John for starters.

Anonymous said...

I do not understand why so many hate Mr. Brisby so much. He is doing God's work here on earth with Jesus working through him. Me Cole recognized that Mr. Brisby would be malleable to Christ dwelling within him and that's why Mr. Cole appointed him. We should be praising God for the mighty miraculous work He is doing through Mr. Brisby instead of ridiculing him so much. Christ is among us!

Anonymous said...

Malleable? This guy embodies the definition of being stiff necked. You must first show humility before Christ can dwell within you. This trait has been absent.

Anonymous said...

I don't think its a hate Mr.Whoever, as much as it is a rebuke Mr.Whoever. If a minister is unable to be rebuked then there will never be accountability, and the organization eventually turns into a personality cult. This is what we've seen in all the ACOG organizations.

Anonymous said...

the mighty miraculous work are you kidding us all. lol Show me the fruits .

Anonymous said...

willy wash

Anonymous said...

From cogeternal.org website:
"We accept these doctrines as the divine revelation of Jesus Christ to His Church of the last days, given through the inspiration of a chosen servant; teachings that were blessed by God, producing an annual growth of 30% over four decades, with incredible blessings in the lives of those who practiced the same in faith."

Growth by 30% per year is their evidence of "blessings". I'm sure their reasoning for shrinking numbers would not be attributed to "cursings", but rather persecution for doing the right thing. No matter what these COGs are always in the right, never out of favor with God, always someone else is displeasing to God.

Anonymous said...

What's worse, th fact that they blatantly lie to their members, or that their members are too stupid to make sure they're not being lied to?

Anonymous said...

The thing they do not point out, is that they themselves have failed to grow period. COGTE has never grown, it has only cycled different members through its doors always keeping roughly the same number of people. Sometimes more, sometimes less. What do you call that? Not a blessing, but a sign for sure that something is amiss. Even more, their membership has been declining drastically over the last 10 years, so much so that I understand some big changes are coming.

Follow Christ and not a man, and you will be blessed.

Anonymous said...

big changes are coming? You Lie we never change as The Lord is the same yesterday and today. The Lord is working inside the body of our church. Our Pastor Christ came into his body and his flesh to work his works

Anonymous said...

Yes Brisby Works the Works,

Check out your Article list on your church website

Do you see some Articles are now gone?

Short and long-range PROPHECY Articles taken down.

PROPHECY is alive my friend's wake up.

Typically in order to gain some personal advantage those Articles are now scraped.

All slumbered and slept wake up ask Questions.

Anonymous said...

Jesus Preached the Gospel of the Kingdom of God and End-Time Prophecies, The Apostle Paul warned Christians about “a different gospel, which is not another; but there are some who trouble you and want to pervert the gospel of Christ” (Galatians 1:6–7). Just what is the Gospel that Jesus preached, and what does it have to do with end-time events?

Anonymous said...

willy wash

Anonymous said...

big willy free willy now.

Anonymous said...

I hear Jon say Satan will not have a seal upon him in the 1,000-year reign of Jesus Christ.

Satan sure loves you all believing such false ideas.

The free willy devil is loving Jon.





Anonymous said...

why do you call our Pastor Free Willy? His willy was made only by Jesus.

Anonymous said...

Friday, April 1, 2022 at 8:47:00 PM PDT.

So you love willy's?

Anonymous said...

Come Here Hear you? http://www.cogsr.org/sermons/FearNotPart4.mp3

Anonymous said...

Free willy was snake in the garden. Made us all fall. Go home Willy, we don't want your fruit. Willy wash, still dirty. Willy on fire for it's sins. Willy will be chained and burned. It's not kosher. Too salty. Not salt of the earth. Willy salt

Anonymous said...

I pray Jon can Show the real Fruits of God's Holy Spirit. He sets himself up in the temple of God acting like God. Now he said Jesus is come into his flesh.

Matthew 24:23: New Living Translation
“Then if anyone tells you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah,’ or ‘There he is,’ don’t believe it.

would deceive even the elect, if that were possible When Christ does come the second time, there shall be no doubt or ignorance of his appearance ( Then we can say IS Come!

Anonymous said...

Our motivation should be to defend the revealed doctrines that Jesus Christ had given through Herbert Armstrong. Cole and Jon's interpretations are not the same! Reconfirming the original teachings on Bible prophecy or biblical prophecy? Our Church had a tendency toward arrogance and did not stick closely to Church teaching the same The Radio Church of God once had. Mr. Armstrong said The Lost Master Key Has Been Found. Do we still value the master key?
Prophecies were Closed Until The Radio Church of God came into existence. God Revealed the correct timeline - All those members need not fear but blow the dust off their Bibles and study a book called :
The Book of Revelation Unveiled at Last
https://www.hwalibrary.com/cgi-bin/get/hwa.cgi?action=getbklet&InfoID=1572442213

“Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?” (Isa. 53:1.)

Will you Believe in Faith That God revealed those teachings?

The closed, sealed prophecies are
opened. Don't CLOSE THE DOOR! Or Change what Jesus Christ Revealed . We must accept these doctrines as the divine revelation of Jesus Christ to His Church of the last days, given through the inspiration of a chosen servant.

No one else believes what Mr. Armstrong originally taught about Truth—that it comes only by revelation to a chosen servant, and even that servant has no authority to change what Christ gave! Read it for yourself: From The Plain Truth, July 1965.
Don't be deceived, my dearly loved brothers. ... Be not deceived, my beloved brethren. ... Do not go astray, my beloved brethren. ... Don't be fooled, my dear friends ...




Anonymous said...

Mr. Brisby is come to do God's anointed work to lead the church into the Kingdom of God. He cannot be stopped now or into the future. Only He can lead the people of truth into the Place or protection. Mr.Brisby is the only one with apostolic succession to cole. Jesus would ask us to abide in his love and follow those that have the rule over us. Mr. Brisby cares for the flock. I know He prayed for peace and we can have real peace. Being a Christian means allowing Jesus "to take possession of our lives and change them, transform them, free us from the darkness of this blog. What is required is confirming, renewing, and revitalizing the newness of the Gospel of Peace. I see clearly that the thing the Church needs most today is the ability to heal wounds and to warm the hearts of the faithful; it needs nearness and proximity. I see the Church as a field hospital after battle. It is useless to ask a seriously injured person if he has high cholesterol and about the level of his blood sugars! You have to heal his wounds. Then we can talk about everything else. Heal the wounds, heal the wounds. That Mr. Brisby does.


South M said...

Heal the wounds you're kidding us . common jon stop being foolish.

J LeBleu said...

LOL. I literally showed that HWA was making false prophecy in God's name from the very inception, and you brainwash victims are still saying he was a prophet.. you can force a stubborn mule to water but.. atleast Jon would say HWA wasn't a prophet. But he also ignores the dilemma of whether a false prophecier had any business starting a religion.

Anonymous said...

We have New Truth Mr.Cole added and Jon builds upon Cole.

Our Church will never have an affair with A decades-old prophecy.

Vicky said...

Mr J LeBleu listen to me Sir.

ok show me where our Church has said HWA was a prophet, please.

????????????????????????

J LeBleu said...

It doesn't matter which Armstrong church breed you are, HWA himself presented himself as a prophet, and used bible verses about prophets to elevate himself. And finally, HWA in the world tomorrow broadcast I'm about to share, makes a prediction, and quotes Deuteronomy 18:22-23, a verse about prophets, then says "you wait and see who's speaking to you!".
https://youtu.be/UB-mxI6OC_A

Need I remind you that Deuteronomy also instructs ancient Israel to KILL false prophets. Yes, HWA would have been stoned in the beginning of his ministry if this were the Old testament.

You can follow whoever's teachings you want, but don't you dare mock the Harold Camping "may 21st end of the world" billboards, the Jehova false witnesses, Mormons, 7th day adventists. You have much more in common than you realize. Here's a hint; unique doctrines invented by confirmed false prophets

J LeBleu said...

"Divine revelation through a faithful chosen servant of the last days" is an extremely fancy way to say, "Prophet." You've just been programmed to disassociate that "prophet" word from HWA, because it would be extremely easy to disprove the whole charade. You have been repeatedly told "HWA never claimed to be a prophet.". Well you hear a lie long enough, you eventually believe it. Claiming to be the man chosen to restore the lost gospel after 1850 or 1900 years for the last days, isn't claiming to be a prophet? Then make a bunch of false predictions and when they don't come true just shrug your shoulders and say "well I didn't claim I was a prophet." Nice scape goat to cover error. Oh and if the slightest thing appears to have happened, the followers are quick to say "He was right!!" Ignoring countless predictions, forecasts and prophecies.

What does dictionary.com say about that forbidden word?

Prophecy:
noun
a person who speaks for God or a deity, or by divine inspiration.

(in the Old Testament)
a person chosen to speak for God and to guide the people of Israel:
Moses was the greatest of Old Testament prophets.
(often initial capital letter) one of the Major or Minor Prophets.
one of a band of ecstatic visionaries claiming divine inspiration and, according to popular belief, possessing magical powers.
a person who practices divination.
one of a class of persons in the early church, next in order after the apostles, recognized as inspired to utter special revelations and predictions. 1 Corinthians 12:28.
the Prophet, Muhammad, the founder of Islam.
a person regarded as, or claiming to be, an inspired teacher or leader.
a person who foretells or predicts what is to come:
a weather prophet; prophets of doom.

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/prophet#:~:text=noun,greatest%20of%20Old%20Testament%20prophets.

J LeBleu said...

Prophet:*

Anonymous said...

OWNERSHIP OF THE COPYRIGHT This blog must end!

Anonymous said...

What the hell are you talking about? You don’t own any copyright fool!

Anonymous said...

Please Pray for Mr.Brisby to allow the gospel go forth and not be suppressed Gospels and Epistles will go in power.

Anonymous said...

Monday, April 11, 2022 at 5:20:00 AM PDT

Faith without works is dead. You have faith and I have deeds.” Show me your faith without deeds, and I will show you my faith by my deeds.…

your church doesn't have any works, Radio calling upon the general population to Repent? You have Faith? Then Show me the Works of the Gospel. Tell them the -For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there will be no end. Isaiah 9.

The people walking in darkness have seen a great light; on those living in the land of the shadow of death [1] a light has dawned.

Hear this you people? Hear Jon or Cole talk on the Everlasting Father?

If Not why not.

Jesus Christ is called the Prince of Peace because He restores what is taken away!




Anonymous said...

Do we hear the messenger or do we "kill" the messenger? Jon Brisby Works for Christ. Impossible to stop his power and Authority in our family fellowship. We are under direct hostility and ill-treatment.

Anonymous said...

Loma dissaproves this blog. For the love of cheese, take it down!

Anonymous said...

Russian Agents in NY ?

Anonymous said...

Heal the wounds, heal the wounds

Anonymous said...

those living in the land of the shadow of death

Anonymous said...

To attract members, this minister is no different than politicians who buy office by giving their voters free stuff. The free stuff, identified in the parable of the talents, is the ability to abuse other church members. Hence the endless forgive. be merciful, ignore slights and insults, a soft answer turns away wrath, etc, etc. This is conditioning members to be doormats and punching bags for pathological abusers. All tolerated and protected proving the abusers bring their wallets. The equivalent of protection money. This is obvious by the lack of affirmations such as members' right to be free from violence and deception, the right to be treated with respect and dignity, and the right to push back and defend themselves by complaining. : Little Nippers : Little Nippers : Little Nippers Sabbath haha Sabbath ahah . law for you no law for his wife.

Anonymous said...

6 = 6 , 13 happy day,

Joshua-Spy said...

Gold, White Raiment and Eyesalve

Jon W. Brisby; Eugene, OR., 4-2-2022

The Great Cover up.

I am rich and increased with goods saith the Laodicean church group. This is what you see today, pride, arrogance and so called self sufficient. Could that be our Pastor ? Proud, arrogant and think they can act in place of God, No matter what your church teaches you , the word of God is the final authority.

You are in the Laodicean church. You may want to come out from among them and be ye separate before it is too late.

His watchmen are blind,
They are all ignorant;
They are all dumb dogs,
They cannot bark;
Sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber.
Yes, they are greedy dogs
Which never have enough.
And they are shepherds
Who cannot understand;
They all look to their own way,
Every one for his own gain,
From his own territory.
" Come," one says, "I will bring wine,
And we will fill ourselves with intoxicating drink;
Tomorrow will be as today,
And much more abundant."
Isaiah 56:10-12.

And Jon has have need of nothing?
Prophecy is important it's very Direct .
liberalism On Prophecy ? This shows God’s control over history, in that what He predicts does come to pass. Take care not to “throw the baby out with the bath water”

We must have a Biblical framework to discern and not be so blind. For God is not the author of confusion but of peace.

Paul’s writings reveal a key feature of true prophets and prophecy, that is, “they build up the church.” Prophecy must always lead to the edification of the body of Christ, and not the division of it. Paul recognized the value of the gift of prophecy, but gave instructions for its proper use (1 Cor. 14:29-33), “Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge… For God is not the author of confusion but of peace.


Anonymous said...

Jesus:
Follow me!

Jon Brisby:
It doesn't matter what Jesus said or did. Mister Herbert Double-U Armstrong who revealed the faith once delivered never taught us to do all those things Jesus did!

Anonymous said...

Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 8:42:00 AM PDT

Please show more Love and deep Respect.

Anonymous said...

Is it true? Hitler's clone army is hiding in Petra?

Anonymous said...

Tuesday, April 12, 2022 at 9:01:00 PM PDT

Brisby was Born from German heritage.

His heart is deceitful above all things and beyond any cure. Who can understand it?

Anonymous said...

So then he knows about Hitler in Petra. Blessed be

Anonymous said...

What about their new truths on unleavened bread and atonement revealed by Jon Brisby in these last days? No more matzos, they are Jewish sin. Unleavened bread must be organic whole wheat, home made, thin and burned to a crisp or it doesn't count. And our atonement doesn't really count as atoning unless we begin our fast before sundown and are already afflicted. Also, herbs and homeopathy are the same wicked sin as doctors and medications. No faith! Jesus walks in Eugene, listen. He has new truth in Jon. Cole didn't know these things. Jon has new truth More to come

Anonymous said...

Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 5:27:00 PM PDT

Can we please contact you via email? Your Correct is 100% true.

Anonymous said...

Jon will tell you about White sugar too right? But he is allowed to drink brewed Coffee in the His hot tub? I'm thinking he secretly still loves ice cream. Only Kim and a handful of us ladies know his secrets. He's a funny fellow, Kim Jokes and frequently chats about his special needs and Weaknesses. She Hates Jon being transported around the World and blames him for bringing home Bedbugs to their own Home. Those pest control treatments targeted all the home from nook and cranny. Kim requested a special lab test and found those bugs were Cimex lectularius. God expects us, in asking for healing but Jon refused to ask and announce for members' help. After this transpired He ruled out a suggestion for a public church formal statement on such as a petition to God. Latter he even banned the prayer request feature saying A prayer circle will not be allowed in our Church. Cole Cole allowed under our Church History members to pray for one another in times of need and healing. James 5:17 to "pray for one another. Jon's Pride and control are Shocking.

NO2HWA said...

7:20 & 5:57
"Thursday, April 14, 2022 at 5:27:00 PM PDT Can we please contact you via email? Your Correct is 100% true."

I would not recommend putting your email address here. Send them to me privately (I do not need to know your names) and I will forward the addresses to each of you.

No2HWA @ Yahoo.com (leave out spaces)

Eugene- said...

Now I can finally understand the meaning behind free willy and those bed bugs.

uk said...

We Are In A Serious Dilemma , Who will stand up against Brisby? Save the faith before it's lost.

Anonymous said...

@uk

What dilemma? Put your burdens on Jesus and follow him... are you looking for another savior to lead you?

J LeBleu said...

Save what faith? The one that's full of error since the beginning? Because you believed a guy on the radio with an authoritative tone? Well, (Insert authoritative tone) you've been lied to. Stop blaming Brisby for everything, he's a victim of the lies too. What you gonna do, go back to worshipping Cole? Which man will you chose as your new pope? Burke? Who will do your thinking for you? Who's personality will you emulate next? Who will tell you when to buy tickets to Switzerland or Petra or yachats or wherever the latest place of safety theory is?

Anonymous said...

@J LeBleu

Death... that is the latest "place of safety" theory in COGE. When you die you are "graduating" in their god's plan of salvation.

J LeBleu said...

@3:56 ya I remember hearing that idea floated around. It's funny how they still cling to HWA, but every year reject more of him. Go get your DNR (do not resuscitate) bracelets everybody! CPR and other life saving attempts are against God's clear will for you to die! God doesn't work through doctors, period! If you get shot in the foot, you better let it bleed out and die a righteous saint, and accept God wants you dead. Tonsils? Let it kill you! Cancerous mole? God wants you dead. Everyone knows first aid is a sin! Once upon a time, Raymond Cole got in a car wreck and went through the windshield, wound up in the hospital. I guess the new church "truth" is that he shoulda died? God hates bandaids and antibiotics too I suppose? Lol you can't make this stuff up. Actually, I do in fact remember a sermon telling us not to use antibiotic soap.. because germs are good. I wonder how many extra rooms our mansions could have had, or jewels on our crowns if only we used the right hand soap!?

Anonymous said...

Friday, April 15, 2022 at 7:20:00 AM PDT. I know who you are

Anonymous said...

Friday, April 15, 2022 at 7:20:00 AM PDT.

You know eggs and bacon

Anonymous said...

Brisby needs to be Honest and Sincere

Anonymous said...

Raymond Cole a eu un accident de voiture et a traversé le pare-brise, s'est retrouvé à l'hôpital. c'est vrai qu'on ne l'a jamais dit

Anonymous said...

And the One shall take you away with theory in COGE? Brisby claims Pentecost was the one that had taken us away.

Anonymous said...

Death... that is the latest "place of safety" theory in COGE so many new truth theories. A little leaven leavens the whole lump is a metaphor the apostle Paul uses to compare the effects of false teaching in the church.

Anonymous said...

Jesus will allow nothing to take Mr. Brisby away from us

Anonymous said...

Jon is the only living Honest faith-building pastor alive Today. Praise God Praise God Jesus Lives in a Man.

Anonymous said...

Russian president Vladimir Putin has warned that he will use nuclear weapons “lightning fast” in the case of foreign interference in Ukraine. Brisby need's to wake up.

Anonymous said...

Our Church is far too busy checking Wednesday's winning Powerball numbers

Anonymous said...

Jon and his Eyesalve. Contact Lenses should enable him to view our World.

Anonymous said...

Really? The faith once delivered series? You people need, let me emphasize that word again, NEED to wake up over there. Are your ears open? Is there wisdom amongst you? Just because Armstrong comes up with a theory about the Genesis creation, does not make it doctrine. Maybe of men, but certainly not God. Your very own minister said at the beginning of this Genisis creation message, that it was just a theory, then within a few short sentences, tells you that you better get it right, that it shapes everything you believe. I want you to pay attention to those subtle clever words.

Ghost of GTA said...

Hey ladies, remember when I told husband's to spank their disobedient wives? Yes, that's the religion you belong to. It's time to remember your place and submit!

Member said...

Jon is cover up. Let’s just be transparent. What is wrong with telling the Church and saying, ‘We’ve got this, we are going to share it and we can figure out what it is together. Secret’s of our Hearts will be uncovered. Christ will witness with the sword. Those two Witnesses will expose with fire.

Anonymous said...

What secrets are you referring too? Please share with us those hidden secrets please? Cult teachings are very secretive so please be careful.

Member in bad standing said...

The secret is, it's a sham. Thanks for the Vette and condo. Suckers

Member in bad standing who left a long time ago. said...

Isn't that sad. You have an idea or two of your own, and then your labeled. Anyone who is a member in good standing, has learned to keep their mouth shut and have no thoughts of their own.

Anonymous said...

How many of you believe that God will not lie? IF you believe He will not lie then why would God give Mr. Armstrong the Truth back a the beginning of the 20th century and then in 1974 told HWA that oh by the way Herbert I lied to you about the day of Pentecost it is really on a Sunday so you need to change that. And I was also wrong that marriage is not from death do you part but from wife to wife. It is okay to have two or more wives living at the same time. Would God divorce us once we make it into His Kingdom to marry another people? God can lie, BUT HE WILL NOT LIE. He will not to lie. He gave Mr Herbert W. Armstrong the truth in the beginning and God did not have to change what He gave. Like Mr. Jon W. Brisby teach and I agree, we do grow in knowledge but in order to grow in knowledge we got to believe and hold on to the truth and then God will add to it. Someone in this post stated that he or she eats in services and to that person and persons that odd that, would you eat a a meeting with your mayor or governor or with a President of the USA? If not then you are respecting a man more than you do OUR GOD. Sabbath service is a meeting of God with His people. I was going to write very long comment but it would do most of you no good because you are already convinced of certain things. Maybe you should have done what I did long ago and downloaded lots of stuff from the COGE websites 19 or more years ago and then go back and read or listen to those messages and articles to see if Jon have changed anything.

I would hate to be some of you said...

To you that mock us in the COGE. Will you be jumping on the day of Christ return because you are not changed to spirit? IT will be too late to believe the Faith once delivered then. ALL those that will be in the First Resurrection will have been chance to Spirit. And those of you that mock JWB need to remember what happened to those boys that poked fun at Elisha and the bears came out of the woods and killed them. If JWB is really a true servant of God you need to show him the respect due a servant of God. Lots of you do not want to obey God this has nothing to do with JWB, it has to deal with you not wanting to obey God. You want your own way....remember the song you sing from time to time in your church service. They would have their own way. If some of you had lived back in the days of Moses you would have been in the crowd where the ground opened up and swallowed those evil men. Some of you are ridiculous because you rather have your OWN WAY for a few more years or decades then to be in the gloried Family of God for all eternity. So so sad. So my words of wisdom to you is to keep mocking and lying and in the end see who comes out right. You strain a gnat and swallow a camel and get bent all out of shape over little stupid things. Do you not know the difference between a doctrine and an opinion. The opinion you do not have to follow but a doctrine you do. Is God or is God not our healer? Is God or is God not the same yesterday, today and forever? If HE then do you think that HE needs these doctors and things to help Him heal us. Did God need any help when He created the angels, the universe this earth and everything there is? No He did not!! So why do you think He need to do it now. Do you really think that God will condemn you to death in the lake of fire if you shoot yourself in the leg by accident and go to the hospital to get patched it? Did HE or didn't give us common sense. And to the person that work about having skin cancer and dying from that but instead go to the doctor and live for a few more years or a decade or so, what if by you doing that you loose your chance of eternal life? I could go on and on and on, but some of you would never get it. If I were some of you and say the things you say about a servant of God I would not want to be in an area where there are bears and wolves and other animals that could kill you because God put it in them to do you. In order to know if what Jon preach is the truth or not you got to do your best to live it and if you do not get blessings maybe it is you that are doing something wrong......not God.

I would hate to be some of you said...

One good point about God making us with free moral agency is that you can choose or not to choose to obey what is preached.God does not strike you down if you do not believe what His minister preach and contrary to what some of you think you had better pay close attention to what your own ministers are telling you and don't let them lead you into the Lake of Fire but before that the Great Tribulation. Do it make sense to any of you wise people that before 1974 the WWCG was being blessed and that after they made the change from a Monday Pentecost to the teaching on Divorce and Remarriage that they were cursed from that point forward to the point that now they are a Protestant church and proud of it. What some of you fine folks are doing amount to Spouse Swapping. You have a living spouse that would love to get back with you because they believe that marriage is for life and you refuse because you LOVE what you are doing committing adultery because you have a living spouse. Glory and honor and peace to God our Father and His Son our Elder brother that THEY are GODS of Love and forgiveness.

Read Your Bible said...

@I would hate to be some of you.

1) Herbert Armstrong is not a prophet, as such is not deserving a prophet's honor.

2) Jon Brisby is not a prophet, as such is not deserving a prophet's honor.

3) Jon Brisby is a mocker and a scoffer. Read your bible about what happens to him in the end.

4) You said God can lie, but will not lie. Titus 1:2 disagrees. "In hope of eternal life, which God, that CANNOT lie, promised before the world began;" I would encourage
you to read your bible.

5) Jesus said the sick need a physician, Matt 9:12, please read your Bible

6) You claim God does not change, and yet I'm guessing you probably don't eat bitter herbs for Passover, please explain why.

7) Herbert Armstrong first observed Pentecost on Sivan 6, then Sunday, then Monday, then back to Sunday. Why don't you do what was originally revealed to him and keep a Sivan 6 Pentecost? Does God change? Did God make a mistake when he first revealed a Sivan 6 Pentecost? Was the church being led in error?

8) You said "In order to know if what Jon preach is the truth or not you got to do your best to live it and if you do not get blessings maybe it is you that are doing something wrong." Thats not what the bible says, you are to compare Jon's teachings to scripture, if they match then you do it. However if they don't match scripture then you must stone him as a false prophet. Deut. 13 & 18. Nowhere in the bible are you supposed to do everything someone says then figure out if it brings blessings or not. If he taught you to eat pork would you "live it" and see whether is brings blessings? If you wouldn't do that, then you shouldn't "live" the rest of his teachings, rather go to scripture and prove whether it is so. I believe you have a severe case of not reading your bible. I would prescribe you to find a reading plan where you go through your entire bible in a year, then repeat the next year, and every year.

Thou bald head said...

Lol, we have a COGE prophet threatening wolves and bears on people... These posts just get wilder and weirder. Hey, maybe put the whiskey bottle down before you type curses on people next time...

J LeBleu said...

Hey uh you're all forgetting HWA was a false predictor/prophet from the very very very beginning. Stop, and take a breath, and take a moment to realize, he was falsely predicting the second coming, with DATES, IN 1934. If you were in COG7 back then, and you had a half grain of brains and biblical understanding, you would have wrote him off back then. But you don't. You're a brainwashed zombie, eager to throw your tithe at any man who claims the mantle of "only servant". Nice pope. This is why the cults, not the protestants are daughters of the harlot.

Anonymous said...

The spirit of delusion is at a fever pitch right now Jesse. People see the return of Christ as becoming more eminent with each passing day, so the false ministers (Brisby and others) play on this fear. Get off the fence they say, pick me or go find it elsewhere they say. So what do people do? Out of fear they lay down their Bible, they forget the multitude of passages that tell us to trust no man, to try them, to prove them, to search the scriptures, and instead; bet everything on the farm that this man is going to lead them to their salvation. Can you imagine the shock when you have to stand there and explain why you followed a man and his doctrines, which were never included in the faith that Jude was speaking about? But but Jesus, I didn't wear makeup, I wore the proper pants, I always wore a tie when I prayed because I knew how important it was to you, and he is going to say; and these are the weighting matters of the law? I could go on, but it is pointless. What a world of good it can do to just pick up your Bible and read it without the filters placed on it by men who are up to no good.

Anonymous said...

Yes, I call it taking the Armstrong goggles off. When I first began reading the Bible, without the preconceived COG concepts.. by Making an effort to pretend I was reading it for the first time, the Bible really opens up. God preserved it, take it for what it says, not what the COGs say it "really" means.. that's cultic horse shit. There's a reason they discourage real bible study. Romans will blow you away. Corinthians, Ephesians, Galations, Hebrews.. all of them. Read them like HWA was nothing more than a salesman who started a gimmick that fizzled out because that's all it was. The carnival went bankrupt. Sure there's some carnies setting up tents here and there, but they're just mimicking their old puppet master

J LeBleu said...

Ahh yes the old Korah fear tactic.. the followers of a confirmed false teacher love to compare dissenters to Korah.. what about what we're supposed to do with false prophets? And how to recognize one? That is ALSO in the old testament. Reconcile that. Find me the verse

Anonymous said...

Korah was rebelling against a legitimate prophet, are any cog leaders legitimate prophets?

Anonymous said...

alle Kommentare hier sind nur Wiederholung, ja, sie haben über 1500 erreicht, aber für was?
Leute, lass uns weiter machen uns selbst überprüfen. ubrigens, Deutschland ist auch gennant Bundesland (Bund = promise; Land = land) Klingt familiar? Falls ich meine Sunde nicht überwinden; ich halte eure Hände, die sie hier ständig jammern über alles und wir schlafen gut und ewig :D

Anonymous said...

Ha! Germany has no promise. No follower of God would allow themselves to be aligned with Germany.

Anonymous said...

what u say dudes?

Anonymous said...

He agrees that Mr Brisby is Jesus in the flesh here on earth and that we need to respect his office.

Anonymous said...

We did it! 1500 comments has summoned the undead spirit of Hitler. We have been waiting sir! We have been marking and underlining our church library copies of Mein Kamp in anticipation. We've been studying the coded messages from Herman hoeh. Now the day has come, how soon will you be leaving Argentina? Please come take the spot HWA pepared for you. He also bought as many of your old artifacts he could find with that secret 3rd tithe fund. The spear of destiny is burried in a vault below Pasadena. Arrive! For Assyria!

Anonymous said...

What about men in cogeternal that want to be free from their wife who refuse to join cogeternal? Can those men divorce their wife and remain in the church?

Anonymous said...

Huh?

Anonymous said...

How about this. Instead of following a man that is making up his own version of the faith once delivered mentioned by Jude, follow Christ instead. Your faith once delivered is right there in the gospels. The Genesis creation doctrine, give me a break. How about actually feeding the sheep instead of going off on continuous tangents. People are paying this man tithe for messages that promote no growth as a Christian in these troubled times? Fired for dereliction of duty is what should happen.

Anonymous said...

The men in cogeternal are allowed to divorce their wives to protect their finances as per Jon Brisby. From what I gather they don't believe in community property, the woman and children are merely property of the church going man.

Anonymous said...

As in the case of J & O.

Anonymous said...

I was told I should recognizing the voice of God through chosen instrument Jon Brisby. Sorry but Jon has gone to the wild west.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, but if I can hear what Brisby says from the pulpit, and recognize by the Holy Spirit that I am hearing error (I can and have), then I choose to recognize Christ's words as they are written in the scriptures. Hear ye him, follow no man, trust no man, prove all things, search the scriptures.

Anonymous said...

Mr Brisby is incapable of error! Christ dwells in him and inspires his Word to us.

Billy Bob said...

To the one who said I would hate to be some of you, you are,spot on about Jon. COGE and JWB has the truth and I'd preaching it today

Anonymous said...

yes the second coming has already happened! Christ is here in our secret Eternal chambers. Come and see the real Jesus, he delayed His coming until we were ready to see him! Try whiskey and wine at the potluck.. it's easier to see Jesus during second service after you've knocked back a few. Then you can enjoy your after potluck church nap knowing you are being serenaded by Jesus himself in the fleshy

I would hate to be some of you said...

To you believe the following how can you explain what you now believe;Gal 1:8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

Now Mr.Armstrong said that what he taught was given to him by divine revelation from Christ and if that is so based on the above mentioned verses from Galatians would Mr. Armstrong have the authority to change the doctrine on Pentecost and Divorce and Remarriage and other doctrines that Mr. Armstrong said was giving to him by God HIM Self? Read again what Paul said, Gal 1:8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.

When did the income from the WCG start going down, was it before or after the World WIde Church of God change it doctrine or afterward? IF was afterward, because a some of the long time members of the Church know that before 1974 the income was increased at what average out to be 30% a year. But after the changes in 1974 the income started going down and God had left His church because they had left HIM. There is a verse in Malachi that very few of you realize but should take heed. It is stated as the following Mal 2:3 "Behold, I will rebuke your descendants And spread refuse on your faces, The refuse of your solemn feasts; And one will take you away with it. The ONE was the day of Pentecost and it took the WCG and many splinter groups away from God when they changed the day for a God given Monday to a Pagan SUNDAY. And because of that God is sending you strong delusion that you will believe and are believing a lie. Ya'll haters hate Jon because he is holding on to the truth and teaching us members to do like wise. You do not like what he teach because you have itching ears and want to be told "Smooth things" things that you agree with.

Billy Bob said...

I don't know where you get this ridiculous idea that Mr. Brisby is Jesus Christ in the flesh. Your spite ful words will come back to haunt very soon. It will happen!!

I would hate to be some of you said...

@ anonymous God does not change, do you believe He is the same yesterday, today and forever or do you hope He change so you can continue to deny Him. Since God gave Mr. Armstrong the truth back at the beginning of his ministry and that day was as you say Sivan 6 and you believe that God used Mr. Armstrong why do you not keep Sivan 6th? When HWA kept Sivan 6th, he had yet learned the true day of Pentecost because God was teaching him one doctrine at a time. But once God showed him the true Day of Pentecost then from that time forward until 1974 he kept a Monday Pentecost. God said you will know a true servant by his fruit and a true church by its fruit. Look at what happened to the Radio Church and then later the Worldwide Church as long as they kept the Faith that was given to HWA. When they turned from it they kept going down hill until now they are just like any Protestant church. Those that left the WCG after Mr. Armstrong's death left 12 to 20 years too late and doing that time God had already moved the lamp to Raymond C. Cole. The Church had lost its way because they allowed scholars to change the truth that God gave to the Church. God Doctrines do not change because they are a reflection of who HE IS. They are life and those that practice them are the ones that will inherit eternal life. Fact is you and the other mockers on this BLOG want to hear smooth things and not even Christ Himself will change your view of the doctrine. Just like Christ said that if you did not listen to Moses you will not listen to HIM because Moses wrote of Him. Could it be that you have never read these verses in your own Bible. Gal 1:8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. If angel of God do not have the right to change the truth of God why would a little lowly man? Divine truth comes by revelation and MR HWA said in the beginning of his ministry that God gave him thh TRUTH. Herman Hoeh and GTA was the one that took advantage of an old man and changed the doctrine of the Church but HWA allowed it on his watch.

Anonymous said...

I'd love to know who this, I wouldn't be to Christian.

I would hate to be some of you said...

Since you people kept a Sunday Pentecost I guess you have posted while at work since you do not have the faith to keep the TRUE day of Pentecost you went to work today.

Anonymous said...

Well, Dear, the real date of Pentecost is Sunday. That is a fact that can't be refuted. Even Herbert Woke up to that fact after so many ministers had deceived in into Monday. Even worldly Christians know how to count that date.

Billy Bob said...

No! HWA did not make a mistake for 40 years on the Pentecost count. That makes God a liar! But you people show your true colors because of what YOU think is the truth. Eph. 4:18, Rorovm.1:19-20, Prov. 22:3.

Billy Bob said...

No! HWA did not make a mistake for 40 years on the Pentecost count. That makes God a liar! But you people show your true colors because of what YOU think is the truth. Eph. 4:18, Rorovm.1:19-20, Prov. 22:3.

I would hate to be some of you said...

and like the worldly Christians you want lies and not truth. People that keep a Sunday Pentecost want it so because they do not have to worry about loosing their jobs by keeping Sunday since they are already off on Sunday mostly anyway. Wonder what God thinks about that, that you rather please men then Him. People that keeps a Sunday Pentecost only count 49 days when the instructions are to count 50 and the way God count days they are not counted until the end of the count. When person is born he or she is not a year old until 365 days have went by then we are a year old. I could go on and on and on but God have allowed you and others like you to believe a LIE. And ya'll like it so. But enough of this you and those like you will never come to the truth because God have left you to believe a lie. I will not respond to anyone else on this subject. I know and I know that I know the truth. Think about it God reveal truth and not lies. Do you really think that God would reveal a lie to a servant of His and then 37 years later so oh yeah Herbert I lied to you back in the 30s and the real day of Pentecost is Sunday not Monday? DO you really think God would give His people the truth? Do you think that God is a liar like Satan the Devil? Hardly!!!!

Anonymous said...

That is the biggest load of unadulterated legalistic crap I’ve read in a while trying to defend a Monday Pentecost! Holy Hanna!!!!!!

J LeBleu said...

That is by far the most completely spiritually handicapped diabolical logic the universe has ever heard... To say that "if HWA was wrong, then God is a liar." Your teeth should chatter in fear of judgement day before your lips could ever mutter that disgusting blasphemy. The ONLY scenario you can see is God almighty, creator of heaven and earth, who laid the foundation of the earth, fixed the starry frame, and knows the stars by name, so loved the world that He sent His only son.. was more likely to be wrong than your pervert false prophet? Because for "40 years" they tithed the living hell out of a bunch of fearful suckers and had lots of money for HWA to live like a king? Well guess what, the Catholic church has been around over 1000 years, that must be proof they are God's church too! Not. That reasoning is insane. You're brainwashed. Repent. And for those of you threating wild animals on people, are just showing that your theological understanding has absolutely no concept of the new covenant, and the commands of Jesus Christ. Go ahead and pray your curses. May God bless you and wake you.
Ps, the bible clearly says 7 Sabbaths, and on the morrow. 7 Sabbaths complete, 49 days, then on the morrow, the 50th day, keep the feast. It couldn't be more plain. Has nothing to do with convenience of Sunday.. silly but pentecost is CLEARLY fulfilled anyways. Your made up methods of doing Jewish things with no temple is a fabrication akin to Mormon temple rites.

Anonymous said...

Well said Jesse.

Anonymous said...

I would like for those who have been baptized, and received a down payment of the Holy Spirit to ask themselves; when did I receive it? Was it on a Monday? A Sunday? Or some other day? Is it possible that Leviticus 23 was for Israel in the flesh, and the Acts chapter 2 account was for an example to the NT Church before it began? Why all the squabbling? Does your Bible not tell you to refrain from such things? Striving over words? And for what? Division. If you ask me, most of you have simply played into Satan's hand and he has a majority of the scattered Church right where he wants them. He know that the gates of he'll will not prevail against it, so his efforts cannot destroy it. But hey, how about dividing it?

J LeBleu said...

The holy spirit indwells when we first believe, and convicts us to be baptized in obedience. The "down payment," is the blessed assurance of salvation to those who are indwelled by the same spirit that prompted Jesus to say "he who believes in me will never die." Born from above. The first pentecost, the church was instructed to tarry after the ascension. Jesus was risen from the dead for40 days then 10 days after ascending they were were still just gathered in prayer and the spirit came. It was a once and for all fulfillment of the day. You can't duplicate that yearly. The problem with New Covenant holy days, is there is no instruction like Leviticus had for the old. So you have to rely on a "prophet" to tell you what God reallllly wanted. The new testament has a couple instances where Paul instructs us how to keep the feast of UB allegorically. And examples of the evangelizing to the Jews on holy days, but there is no clear doctrine on such. So, if you will chose for yourself a prophet to add to the scripture on such matters where the scripture is vague at best, you should thoroughly evaluate their source of authority. You may be in love with HWA doctrines, but how do you explain why being a sensationalist incorrect predictor who never even apologized, could be the ONE man of God in the last days. No, I'm not Korah. Tell me HOW false prophecy in 1934 doesn't nullify everything after? The Mormons/whoever for example, ain't ALL wrong on everything, but are they a good source to seek doctrine?

I would hate to be some of you said...

This is for you LEBleu

So the water remains healed to this day, according to the word of Elisha which he spoke. Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up the road, some youths came from the city and mocked him, and said to him, "Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!" So he turned around and looked at them, and pronounced a curse on them in the name of the LORD. And two female bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths. Then he went from there to Mount Carmel, and from there he returned to Samaria.
(2Ki 2:22-25)

And what about God using hornets against the Canaanites and other example. Is those verses just fiction put there to entertain us? Or are they part of God's word.

I would hate to be some of you said...

LeBlue you seem like a very angry man and you seem like a Protestant. Did Christ or did he not say that we are to live by every word the proceed out of the mouth of God? And the only words that were used by the New Testament Church was the Old Testament. When Christ died those ritual that were proformed by the priest in the Old Testament was done away, but Christ Himself said that my words shall not past away. Those words are the commandments and not the rituals that are everlasting life. We do no perform ritual today because their is not temple and do you know why there is no temple. Because we Christians are the Temple of God.Christ lives in us in our flesh if we have His Holy Spirit. Not some building. You once believed these same things did you not? What happened in the Church to cause you to be so bitter towards the truth? Conscience could it be???? May God judge between you and I!!!

I would hate to be some of you said...

Remember LeBleu, the Scribes and the Pharisees thought that Christ had a demon instead of respecting Him as their Creator and Son of the LIVING GOD and GOD HIMSELF. Did they or did they not??? Read what He said to them in response. Joh_10:20 And many of them said, "He has a demon and is mad. Why do you listen to Him?" Now when the Pharisees heard it they said, "This fellow does not cast out demons except by Beelzebub, the ruler of the demons." But Jesus knew their thoughts, and said to them: "Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation, and every city or house divided against itself will not stand. If Satan casts out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then will his kingdom stand? And if I cast out demons by Beelzebub, by whom do your sons cast them out? Therefore they shall be your judges. But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you. Or how can one enter a strong man's house and plunder his goods, unless he first binds the strong man? And then he will plunder his house. He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters abroad. "Therefore I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven men.
(Mat 12:24-31)

Show-Me State said...

@I would hate to be some of you

You said:
"Did Christ or did he not say that we are to live by every word the proceed out of the mouth of God? And the only words that were used by the New Testament Church was the Old Testament. When Christ died those ritual that were proformed by the priest in the Old Testament was done away, but Christ Himself said that my words shall not past away."

Do you see the contradiction here? You claim Jesus said we are to live by EVERY word of God, then you claim it was done away with.

Maybe you should read your bible, like you've been admonished before. Jesus said "DO NOT THINK that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets, have have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them." But you just said they were done away!

So it comes down to this:
A) Jesus is a liar, he DID come to do away with the law, even though he said opposite.
B) You are a liar, the law has not been done away with and you are commanded not to think it has been done away with.

Which is it?

Anonymous said...

Mr. "I would hate to be some of you". It is so strange to see this dialogue. I have been on both sides of this fence. Currently I'm somewhere close to where Jesse is in thinking, but I also was once where your at now. I can tell you without a doubt, that you are following a man. Your trust lies in a man. Whether it's Jon Brisby or any of the others, your following a man. I proved Brisby to be a liar along time ago.
What I will say is this, Christ is going to judge everyone single one of us, and I can tell you unequivocally, that it is first and foremost going to be based on merit, your fruits. Not that you kept a Monday or a Sunday Pentecost. You will be accused just like those pharasical Jews were. Worrying about how someone was dressed when they came to church, or if they had a beard not quite to your standards. That is utter foolishness. Read what the Apostle Paul tells you will keep you out of the kingdom, and get about the task. Can I convince you? No, for those are physical will be physical, and you will find yourself at a deficit when the soon coming trials hit us all.

I would hate to be some of you said...

yOU ARE A MAN AND YOU ARE FOLLOWING A MAN WHEN YOU FOLLOW YOUR OWN THINKING. THE WORDS OF GOD CAN NOT CHANGE. BACK IN 1974 THE CHURCH FOLLOWED A MAN AND YOU ARE STILL FOLLOWING A MAN AND WE YOU AND I AND ALL OTHERS ARE TO ONLY FOLLOW A MAN AS THAT MAN FOLLOW CHRIST. WASN'T MOSES A MAN? WASN'T THE CHURCH IN THE WILDERNESS FOLLOWING HIM AS HE FOLLOWED CHRIST? DID YOU AND I COME TO A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH? DID YOU LEARN IT FROM READING YOUR OWN BIBLE OR DID YOU LEARN IT THROUGH MR. ARMSTRONG WHO SAID THAT HE LEARNED IT FROM CHRIST. DID CHRIST COME DOWN IN THE FORM HE HAD WHEN HE WAS ON EARTH OVER 2000 YEARS AGO? IF NOT THEN HOW DID MR. ARMSTRONG LEARNED IT. I CAME TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH THROUGH THE TEACHING OF MR. ARMSTRONG LIKE I BELIEVE HUNDRED OF THOUSANDS OF OTHER PEOPLE DID. THINK ABOUT IT DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT GOD WHO IS PERFECT WHO NEVER MAKES MISTAKES WOULD HAVE LED THE CHURCH FOR 37 YEARS TO KEEP A MONDAY PENTECOST AND THEN ALLOW IT TO BE LED ASTRAY? i SPEAK AS A FOOL BECAUSE NO WAY GOD WOULD HAVE DID THAT. WHEN GOD REVEAL SOMETHING IT IS TRUE AND IT NOT ERROR. IT WAS THOSE MEN THAT HAD NOT A LOVE OF THE TRUTH THAT CHANGED PENTECOST AND DIVORCE AND REMARRIAGE BECAUSE THEY DID NOT LIKE THE TRUTH. IF MONDAY WAS NOT THE CORRECT DAY OF PENTECOST THEN WHY DID THE CHURCH GO DOWN HILL ONCE IT WAS CHANGED. IF MONDAY WAS NOT THE CORRECT DAY THEN WHY DID THE CHURCH GO DOWN HIM IN 1964 OR 1954 BUT ONLY AFTER THE CHANGES WERE MADE. FROM 1974 TO 1994 THE CHURCH WAS ONLY COASTING FROM THE MOMENTUM THAT IT HAD BECAUSE FOR 37 YEARS THEY KEPT AS A WHOLE THE TRUE DOCTRINE OF GOD. SOME OF YOU NEED TO LEARN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN ADMINISTRATION AND DOCTRINE. IT WAS THE FAULTY ADMINISTRATION THAT CAUSE THE CHANGES NOT GOD'S LAW. GOD LAW DEFINE HIM AND HE IS ETERNAL OTHERWISE HOW CAN GOD BE THE SAME YESTERDAY TODAY AND FOREVER OR WHY DID HE SAY HEAVEN AND EARTH SHALL PASS AWAY BUT HIS WORLD SHALL NOT PASS AWAY. I LEAVE THIS BLOG FOR GOOD WITH SOMETHING FOR YOU WHO DEPARTED FROM THE TRUTH ON THE DAY OF CHRIST RETURN IF YOU ARE STILL ALIVE WILL YOU BE JUMPING BECAUSE YOU WERE NOT CHANGE TO SPIRIT AND RISE INTO THE SKY TO MEET CHRIST.

I would hate to be some of you said...

@ SHOW ME. YES I SAID THOSE SACRIFICIAL LAWS WERE DONE AWAY I DID NOT AND WOULD NOT SAY THAT THE DOCTRINES OF CHRIST WAS DOWN AWAY. DO YOU KNOW RECALL WHERE GOD SAY THAT HIS LAW WOULD NOT PASS AWAY. YOU NEED TO KNOW THE DIFFERENT BETWEEN THE SACRIFICIAL LAWS, THE BURN OFFERING, MEAL OFFERING ETC AND THE DOCTRINES OF WHO AND WHAT GOD IS AND THE NATURE OF MAN AND LAWS CONCERNING DIVORCE AND REMARRIAGE. THE WAY YOU SOUND WE SHOULD STILL BE KEEPING PASSOVER WITH LAMBS AND BITTER HERBS BUT CHRIST CHANGED THAT TO THE WINE AND THE BREAD. DO YOU KNOW THE DIFFERENCE. YOUR LIGHT HAVE WENT OUT BECAUSE YOU FOLLOWED A MAN YOU FOLLOWED MR. ARMSTRONG BECAUSE HE CHANGE THE DOCTRINE CONCERNING THE DAY OF PENTECOST. READ THE WHOLE BOOK OF MALACHI AND PAY CAREFUL ATTENTION TO WHERE IT SAID THAT ONE WILL TAKE YOU AWAY WITH IT. THE ONE WAS A HOLD DAY AND THAT HOLY DAY WAS Pentecost WHEN THOSE CROOKS WHO DID NOT LOVE GOD'S LAW CHANGED IT TO A PAGAN MONDAY. WHEN YOU KEPT PENTECOST ON SUNDAY JUNE 6TH YOU KEPT IT WITH THE PAGANS OF THIS WORLD THAT DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE HOLY SPIRIT. WHY WOULD YOU WANT TO FOLLOW PAGANS THAT KEEP SUNDAY AS THEIR DAY OF WORSHIP. ALL OF US LEARNED THE TRUTH FROM MR. HWA BUT HE DID NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO CHANGE GOD'S LAW. YA'LL THINK JON W. BRISBY IS A FOUL AND VILE PERSON AND HE IS HOLDING ON TO THE FAITH ONCE DELIVERED AS HE LEARNED IT FROM MR. COLE AND MR.COLE LEARNED IT FROM HERBERT W. ARMSTRONG. I RESPECT MR. HWA FOR TEACHING US THE TRUTH WE LEARNED MORE ABOUT GOD FROM HIM THEN WE DID FROM A CARGO SHIP OF OTHER WORLDLY MEN BUT HE DID NOT HAVE THE RIGHT TO FOLLOW CHANGE GOD'S LAW. SO IF YOU ARE OLD ENOUGH TO HAVE BEEN IN THE WCG BEFORE 1974 BUT WHEN THE DOCTRINE OF PENTECOST AND D&R WAS CHANGED AND YOU CHANGED WITH IT, WERE YOU NOT THEN FOLLOWING A MAN?

J LeBleu said...

"I'd hate to be some of you..." as for whether I used to believe, people tend to believe whatever they grew up in. Growing up in it, your world view has been programmed for you. I was like you, i'd get angry and lash out in theological debates with "worldly christians" and think myself so special to be one of a couple hundred people out of billions that are the "REAL" christians.. What an arrogant tool I was. I thought "keeping the sabbath and holy days" and not doing Christmas like those filthy pagans had me on the path to godhood. Letting a man tell you who and what God is, and following him, is the easy thing to do. Pay Pray Stay was the formula for salvation. However God is the rewarder of those who diligently seek him. As a 12 year old I watched the Bethel/Eternal split turn grown men into children picking teams and leaders. I listened to ministers puff their egos and beat their chest like tribal leaders in the Lord of the Flys. I began to realize in my teen years that all the denominations think they're correct, or MORE correct than the others. It was this realization that allowed me to not question other personal faiths, and foolishly believe everyone else was bound for the lake of fire.. except for me. What if I was wrong too? Quite honestly all you have to do is stop reading your fire kindling monthly letters and church approved material, and just read your bible. Read it for what it says and ask God to open it up to your mind. It wont take long before you find the contradictions. Jon Brisby himself would tell you if you reject armstrong, the whole tower comes tumbling down. Its a whole lot of doctrine dangling by a string, and that string is a man who claimed He restored Gods church for the first time in 1850/1900 years. I guess the devil prevailed against the church all those other years and managed to snub it out, but thanks to HWA, it finally got restored! But wait, he was still making up doctrines for a whole decade or more after his claimed beginning. Also, go read the 1934 plain truths. Stop threating wild animals on people, you are not an old testament prophet, Jesus taught no such thing, and go read it. June/July 1934 is a great example that your beloved leader didn't know prophecy from his elbow. I was lied to for years. I was told HWA just made speculations, and never claimed he was a prophet. Lies. Blatant lies. No wonder COG7 gave him the boot.
A funny story to finish up here, feast of 2015 in yachats, I remember seeing a somewhat homeless looking guy try to go use the bathroom (a public restroom for the city) and seeing the deacons quickly swarm on him and promptly kick him out. Couldn't help but wonder, what if that was an angel. Poor angel didnt get the invite to the special feast apparently. The fruit of the holy spirit is not in cults. The only thing Holy there are the bibles you don't read without programmed prejudice.

Anonymous said...

4:42 & 4:49

Turn off the damn caps if you want any to read what you wrote. It's considered shouting and insulting causing no one to read it.

J LeBleu said...

The beauty in the darkness, is God can forgive all manner of false doctrines to a heart that is turned towards Him in sincerity. There are saved people in all manner of denominations. However, to stay sincere, you have to let God lead you, and sometimes that might be right out of a religious organization so that you can evaluate it from the outside. And what an eye opener that can be. He also has some left behind to provide light to those looking for the exit. Only He knows how many he has reserved unto Himself. A man speaking with authoritative tone is not synonymous with the holy spirit. Once you know the gospel, you know when you're being fed. A preacher can preach the word one sermon, and be off track another. Its not about the man, its about Jesus Christ. And a man that God has called to preach should be a servant, pointing to Christ, declaring Christ as our intermediator, and savior, uplifting Christ always. If you're being fed sermons about hand soap and saucy food or creamer in your coffee, you're in a personality cult.

Scott said...

Hey Jesse, I have one of those stories as well. Unfortunately I was at fault in it. One Sabbath service in Vancouver, WA around 2006 or 7, a car broke down right on the main road out in front of the meeting hall. I remember myself, my dad, and MQ standing there in the parking lot debating whether or not it was a sin to go and help push this man out of the road. Sadly, we chose not to help him out. I look at that now and I just shake my head. When we talked about it over dinner later that week, my dad understood that it was wrong behavior on our part. Even a so-called long time member of the church like my dad was still very closed off from what God's word actually says to do in a number of places. Thankfully he was really starting too get beyond all the legalistic stuff he was used too practicing. It's probably why he also started hearing and seeing the same things I was with JB. As we know my father died in 09, apparently due to a curse/hex that was put on him (note sarcasm), or at least that's what someone claimed they did in the name of God.

Show-Me State said...

@I would hate to be some of you

Again, let me point out your contradiction;

You said: "God does not change, do you believe He is the same yesterday, today and forever..."

Then You said: "...passover with lambs and bitter herbs but Christ CHANGED that to the wine and the bread."

So on one hand God never changes, on the other hand he changes.

AGAIN it comes down to this:
A) Jesus is a liar, he DID come to do away with the law, even though he said opposite.
B) You, HWA, your COG leader of choice, etc. are a liar, the law has not been done away with and you should be keeping ALL of the old testament stuff like Jesus did.

Which is it?

You can't have it both ways where "God changes" when its inconvenient for you to keep old testament laws, but also "God never changes" when you desire to enforce certain laws. Your contradictions of what God is, and what the bible says is called Cognitive Dissonance. It appears very clearly that you are having a difficult time reconciling "God changes" and "God never changes"

J LeBleu said...

Hey Scott, I can completely picture that scenario haha! Little did we know that the sabbath day would be the absolutely best day to serve our fellow man in such a way. Isn't it great that God knows we were deceived at the time, and thank God he woke us up? Mr Whitaker was a good guy, I only have good memories of him. You'd be surprised how many people start to wake up right before they pass away. I think the wisdom imparted to us in the twighlight years helps the big picture of what this life is really all about become more apparent. I was there to hear the "pray curses" sermon live. Even back then when still partially brainwashed I remember thinking thats exactly contrary to what Jesus commands. But as you may remember, waking up is a slow process, until one day the evidence has turned into a mountain, and it hits you like a hammer, GET OUT.

Anonymous said...

Jesus took the sabbath as an opportunity to go around healing people, but don't you dare miss the clergy's lecture by going out and serving people on the sabbath like Jesus did.

Anonymous said...

Attendance numbers are shrinking all around the World. Jon and his boastful talk once said he accumulates more than he can deal with. Many shut the door on his oddball theory, Just stay at Home and trust Christ and never this cowboy - Cole would say GET OUT! Follow the truth !





purge the evil said...

. READ THE WHOLE BOOK OF MALACHI AND PAY CAREFUL ATTENTION TO WHERE IT SAID THAT ONE WILL TAKE YOU AWAY WITH IT. YES I DID READ THAT BOOK. MY UNDERSTANDING BRISBY TAKEN THE CHURCH AWAY with it. YES a Man . Man of Sin? Showing oneself to be God in all Authority. That's an evil One. SATAN takes away Truth > And if he fails to listen God will take him away )

Anonymous said...

Isaiah 30
Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:”

Therefore this iniquity shall be to you as a breach ready to fall, swelling out in a high wall, whose breaking cometh suddenly at an instant.

We need real HWA prophesy not Brisby deceits ,

Russia Today Watching ? USA Today Watching?
UK Today Watching? WAKE UP RISE UP and take a STAND HWA had the Truth !

John Boy said...

Hello Scott, you do not know me. I'm a member of COGE since 2007. I did not have a chance to meet your father, however, I have listened to his sermons and enjoyed them very much. He was a true minister of the Word. Hope you are doing well. Take care.

Scott said...

Hello John Boy. If I've never met you, you must be in one of the congregations outside of the U.S. I thought I knew everyone in the U.S. congregations because it was not until 2009-10 that Mr. Brisby forced me and my family out. Maybe I saw you at a feast and never got to speak to you.

I'm glad you enjoy my fathers sermons. I do as well. If your interested you can check out www.afaithfulservant.com. It is a website dedicated to a lot of Raymond Coles material. It is a good source to ferret out error.

John Boy said...

Hi Scott, I'm here in Georgia and have heard a lot about you from two good friends of yours who are still in the church and I get a friend suggestion on FB for you. I saw you have a wonderful family especially the little one. I don't always agree with JB on things like seeking medical attention,D&R and interracial marriages. I feel comfortable where I'm at because of the fellowship I have with the brethren. I'm sorry things didn't work out for you with the church and JB but God is still with you no matter what. Take care. Pray that all is well with you.

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Scott said...

I appreciate those words John Boy, it shows you are thinking for yourself on teachings. I did not know I had any friends left over there. There were a couple of guys I used to talk to regularly after I left, but they stopped talking to me because of the pressure put on them. I do however still consider everyone there dear friends and brethren. I'm sure the day is coming it will all get rectified. It just takes courage to step out and ask what truly happened. Sometimes that's the toughest thing of all to do.

Anonymous said...

Many Members are speaking out against Jon Brisby. He feels pressure to attack and defend himself. His flock are now not a flock but scattered and alone all around the world.

Anonymous said...

Isn't this what a trapped wolf does? Jon has never admitted when he is wrong, even when caught red-handed. I've often said (at least to myself), that if he would address some of these things, and honestly admit ownership of them before the brethren, that it would go a long ways towards re-establishing some credibility.

Unfortunately history generally shows that the opposite happens and church groups fade away. He may retain a dozen or so people who will meet with him at his home or elsewhere still claiming what he does. So be it. Truth does not lie, God and His word do not lie; so follow God, and you cannot go
wrong.

Anonymous said...

A new member has a wife who did not join the church. The wife called the main office to get a copy of tithe receipt for tax purposes. Jon B. had flagged the new member's account to NOT give tithe receipt to the wife so to help the man hide money. Have any of you ever heard of such a thing? Sounds like a cult!!

Anonymous said...

That would be how Jon behaves. Run as fast and as far away from that group as possible.

Anonymous said...

Could there be a malicious Person in the church office who is spreading gossip?

Anonymous said...

Someone in that office does gossip a lot but they will remain un-named. Unfortunately, this behavior is supported by Jon Brisby. I have mentioned this before in previous postings, but years ago Jon spoke of something called a "matrix organization". This is a way of structure that a company would set up from within the ranks in order to have employees report on one another. This not only promotes gossip but tattle-telling. This way, the one in charge (in this case Jon Brisby) stays informed of every little thing going on within his church group. Why do you think this person is in charge of answering the phones? I remember at the time when Jon spoke of this method of structure within a business, he called it evil, and that it should never be used. I know now that he mentioned it at that time as a way to cover up his future intentions of employing it. He indeed did. Why do you think there is so much in-fighting, so many messages over and over attacking people and things they hold of interest? As a side note; this particular person in the office also has a band of friends that brings that information back. Bottom line, are you being fed? Is this "faith once delivered" that Jon goes on and on about truly what Jesus spoke of and is written in the Bible? That Jon gives a thousand messages about? I'm not concerned that an "end-time servant" who wrote about the Genesis creation, or any other number of trivial things. How do these things pertain to your salvation? Is this what God is concerned with? So many brethren are facing heavy trials now, yet they have to listen to this tripe every week? Jesus said to Peter "feed my sheep". This is not food you are getting my friends. It neither helps you through your trials, to overcome, nor to shore up your faith. Think about who you are listening to...seriously.

Unknown said...

Where's the proof. Nothing but lies lies!!

Anonymous said...

I do think about it. I'm hearing the truth.

Anonymous said...

Uh, I've provided more than ample proof over many posts, all of which can be proven. Your turn now. Prove me wrong.

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