There has always been an uncomfortable relationship between British-Israelism and White Supremacy. That fact probably played a role in why COG7D rejected it. British-Israelism is one of the two pillar doctrines that set HWA apart, giving him his niche to start his own information marketing business, the Radio Church of God. The COG's know this and is why they are having such a hard time departing from this debunked theory. They also need it in order to continue creating a sense of urgency surrounding the return of Christ.
Lambert Greer gave a sermon at the feast on the promise to Abraham's seed of physical blessings at the end of the age. He claimed that when he first started hearing the phrase, "white privilege" that he was offended by it. That is the typical knee jerk reaction from white people. They instantly apply it to themselves. They reason that they personally are not recipients of benefits at the detriment of people of color. They argue that no one gave them a hand-out or a free ride but that they fought for and earned everything they have. And that probably is true but white people fail to view the term in its over-arching social context and how it effects individuals of color.
This nation was established by genocide and built by stolen labor. Even after abolishing slavery, whites were quick to install Jim Crow laws, enforce segregation, establish Planned Parenthood with its real aim to abort non-white babies and federalize a fake war on drugs to supply a prison system with free non-white labor.
This nation was established by genocide and built by stolen labor. Even after abolishing slavery, whites were quick to install Jim Crow laws, enforce segregation, establish Planned Parenthood with its real aim to abort non-white babies and federalize a fake war on drugs to supply a prison system with free non-white labor.
And so a minister says he is offended by the term, "white privilege" at first but then after thinking about it in the context of the promise made to Abraham's seed in the end times, he now understands white privilege in the framework of British-Israelism and that we should actually be INSPIRED by it!
To be inspired by white privilege achieved by the degradation and subjugation of non-whites in most horrific ways for hundreds of years exposes an egregious flaw in the world-view well-meaning white folks in the churches of God hold dear.
Just recently, LCG was very quick to point out a genome study reported by Live Science stating that there is no "gay" gene. Yet the same church refuses to acknowledge those same studies in genome research disproving British-Israelism.
Just recently, LCG was very quick to point out a genome study reported by Live Science stating that there is no "gay" gene. Yet the same church refuses to acknowledge those same studies in genome research disproving British-Israelism.
When viewed critically from a long view of human history, the rise and fall of British and American empire is the most recent of a chain of empires over thousands of years. How they came by that dominance in no way differs from the way all empires rise to prominence: war, subjugation and genocide. Might makes right in this fallen world so we should take great pause before attributing blessings from God to current events.
After Abraham demonstrated his faith, God says:
"blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore; and your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies. In your seed all the nations of the earth shall be blessed, because you have obeyed my voice." --Genesis 22:17-18
HWA herded his followers into viewing everything through his selective interpretations of the Old Covenant, as well as Old Testament prophecy, and gave them life in an urgent present. Instead of trying to make this fit into current events, how about we accept the largeness of the blessing far beyond what we see today. Does Britain and the United States possess "all" the gates of their enemies? There is an estimated 1 septillion stars in the universe and over 7 quintillion grains of sand on earth and yet the Brits and Americans fail to outnumber over 1 billion Chinese or Indians. And finally, are "all" the nations of the earth blessed because of Britain and America? Hardly. The fulfillment of blessings on Abraham's seed are still set in a future very different from this present reality. And more importantly, when that blessing is fulfilled, what makes up Abraham's seed will be a spiritual entity. Accepting Jesus Christ as Savior should reorient our thinking about what it means to be sons of Abraham.
"just as Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him as righteousness, Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham. And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel to Abraham beforehand, saying, "In you all the nations shall be blessed." --Galatians 3:6-8
"Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made. He does not say, "And to seeds," as of many, but as of one, "And to your Seed," who is Christ." --Galatians 3:16
I know those who cling to British-Israelism insist that their identity is the key to unlocking prophecy BUT the reality is the growing genome research is making it impossible to discern just what an Israelite descendant would be today. And secondly, what Christ reveals concerning prophecy in the New Testament is sufficient without knowing where physical Israelites are today. This skewed perception of needing to know who the physical descendants of Israel are today is a distraction from the bigger spiritual picture.
“For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise” --Galatians 3:26-29
My advice to the leaders in LCG is to not cherry-pick genome research. And instead of finding inspiration in "white privilege" find it in Jesus Christ. Drop all the racist baggage inherent in British-Israelism and reorient the brethren to think the way Paul worked painstakingly to do; to tear down the wall of partition between flesh tones and genealogies, and make a new people through the power of His Holy Spirit.
"But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; who once were not a people but are now the people of God..." --I Peter 2:9-10
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Anyone who tries to deny that this racism was predominant in WCG and continues in splinters today need only consult the hymnals of the Radio Church of God and Worldwide Church of God. WCG's old "gray hymnal" and later "blue hymnal" included the hymn "All Hail the Power" which includes the following line:
"Ye chosen seed of Israel's race..."
It wasn't a roomful of Hebrews who were singing this. Today, UCG and LCG still sing this.
Silly me! When I hear the terms "white privilege" or the other one which you didn't mention (white paternalism), it makes me take introspection. It's not that I suffer from white guilt, it's just that I want to be sure I understand others, and am not one of the abusers who exploits the status that white folks seem to have.
Also, what kind of logic do those who insist that understanding our allegedly Israelite identity is the key to understanding end times prophecy??? I can understand someone believing that up until 1975. But, here we are, 45 years after the fact, and it is perfectly obvious that we had the wrong key! Once the human genome was unlocked, you'd think people would have realized that believing the British Israel theory was very much akin to believing the flat Earth theory! Even if in the 1600s there had been pure Manassites, and pure Ephraimites amongst the British melting pot of that era, those tribes have long since been Samaritanized by the continued waves of immigration and intermarriage affecting both the UK and the USA. Majority dna in the USA is actually German. So, by HWA's redefining of the races, we're actually Assyria!
This shite will never completely die out. Some people will always believe things that are defied by actual fact, if for nothing else, just to be different. It's just another thing to make yourself stand out, like covering your body in ink, or dying your hair green.
BB
A simple prayer request can confirm or disprove BI.
My experience is that of the holy spirit confirming the military defeat, and herding into slavery the peoples of the USA.
Herb wasn't wrong about everything.
while the sons of Israel puff themselves up, i would like to offer the following:
Romans 2:28-29
Romans 9:27
Matthew 6:1
c f ben yochanan
please stop censoring me
and also, i forgot to mention Deuteronomy 9:5-6...
c f ben yochanan
The article failed to mention the civil war with its 600,000 dead. Why mention 'white priviledge' if not to get free stuff. Lyndon Johnson did this with his 'Great Society,' giving away much free stuff. Before this Great Giveaway, unemployment for both blacks and whites had come down to a few percent, and births out of wedlock had steadily been decreasing. After Johnsons program, both skyrocketed. Not that it deters those believing in free stuff, since they live life a quarter of a mile at a time, as our anti hero in the Fast and Furious movie put it. Bully morality prevails.
Byker Bob stated: Some people will always believe things that are defied by actual fact, if for nothing else, just to be different. It's just another thing to make yourself stand out, like covering your body in ink, or dying your hair green."
Why do some people need to believe in conspiracy theories? I thought probably only a tiny fraction of the USA population believed in such fabulous ideas. I have discovered during the current administration in Washington, D.C., that many people on the right wing thrive on conspiracy theories - in numbers so large that I would never have guessed.
BI is just another fantasy conspiracy theory. (This is an anthropological role reversal. Usually it is some White people explaining why some group of indignes believe in rank superstition. Conspiracy theories are the White European version of blatant superstition. It is politically or race based instead of nature based like, say, Native Americans.)
Where's Dennis? It's time for him to write that Christianity is just another conspiracy theory.
After I read this blogpost a while I ago I felt I understood a little better the meaning of "white privilege," racism and prejudice in general. Basically, it was stated: "If you live in a racist system, and you are a member of the race that gains privileges and advantages from that system, you gain privileges and advantages from that system." Hence, as I understand it, therefore, if you live in Australia, Britain, Canada, New Zealand or the USA, for instance, and you're white you're likely to benefit from the system and be given privileges and advantages based on your race. In other words, "white privilege." This applies internationally too. So as the blogger stated: "The Japanese have a problem with racism, but it’s not about White people. A White person in Japan can’t be racist because the system is not set up to give them prime advantage. But White people in Japan can be prejudiced." So, although anyone can be prejudiced only those who "not only benefit passively from the system of privileges and advantages, but to actively use those privileges and advantages to oppress and further disenfranchise those who do not have them" can be racist.
NEO said: "Where's Dennis? It's time for him to write that Christianity is just another conspiracy theory."
Don't encourage him NEO!
Humans derive meaning from narratives. We live in narratives to survive, create social cohesion within groups and assign meaning to otherwise drab and dull lives and other hardships.
Nck
3:47pm You do realize that All Hail The Power of Jesus' Name is not a Dwight hymn and is sung by many denominations don't you?
as does also making broad stroked claims with out providing any evidence apparently prevails...
BI is wonderful. And the USA needs an HWA to enforce its ideological premise. As of today the UK failed to meet a UN deadline to hand over its last colony in Africa, the island of Diego Garcia, where the USA has an airforce base where it can torture brown men in orange suits.
nck
Anonymous said...
A simple prayer request can confirm or disprove BI.
My experience is that of the holy spirit confirming the military defeat, and herding into slavery the peoples of the USA.
Herb wasn't wrong about everything.
November 24, 2019 at 5:03 PM
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Just goes to show everyone here that you DON"T have the Holy Spirit.
Byker Bob wrote:
It's not that I suffer from white guilt, it's just that I want to be sure I understand others, and am not one of the abusers who exploits the status that white folks seem to have.
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Another way to look at race is this. A man or women is known by their actions. If a black man like Walter Williams, who grew up in Harlem, can be educated because his mother worked several jobs to send him to school/college, and become a economist, a academic. and a criticizer of his own black race then there is something of VALUE we can learn from this man.
http://walterewilliams.com
Or we can follow the lead of a race baiter like Al Sharpton or old rent-a-riot, Jesse Jackson. A man is known by his character not his color, so fuck all this cultural Marxism. I will not run with the lies of those university professors who promote this 'social justice' divide and conquer bullshit. Learn from intelligent men, not those who socially engineered this snowflake generation of whining little pussies who can't tell the gender of a person with their pants pulled down.
https://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/
There is a fine line between narratives and stereotypes, nck.
BB
Flak time. I believe that Armstrongists, when it comes to a conspiracy theory like BI, are no worse than the great mass of right-wing evangelicals in this country. Armstrongists do not stand out, they fit in.
I spoke to a right-winger some months back and he told me all kinds of stuff that reminded me of Armstrongism at its best. He stated with great conviction that the Clinton's were diabolical and had orchestrated the murders of many people ("Look it up on the web!" he said). He said the age was ending and Christ would soon return and there are people building a redoubt up in Colorado. He had visited the redoubt. Few people know about it. People will be living principally on deer meat. Trump committed many of the same sins as Clinton but god has forgiven Trump - he's only human. When I asked if god might have also forgiven Clinton, I got a blank, glassy-eyed stare.
This is looney tune stuff. Like the Trilateral Commission and Illuminati stuff that was popularized by an Ambassador College administrator back in the Seventies. With a dose of anti-Semitism thrown in.
BI, though it is a bizarre and disproven fantasy, is not worse that what circulates as substantive knowledge and insight these days among right-wing evangelicals who seem to need constant titillation. This doesn't justify the Armstrongist mindset, but we need to see it in perspective.
BI is the humble attempt by christians to not assign the incredible blessings that were bestowed upon them to their own ingenuity and intellect but to providence of an ancient promise by their favorite deity.
I do not hold an opinion whether the theory is based on fact. I do however know the roots of protestantism as opposed to the "habsburg pharao" and the respective "moses's" delivering from evil into Israel.
That is the narrative that is at least active since 1580.
nck
Near_Earth_Object, Do you also see any conspiracy theories from the left wing? If your going to mention the right wingers, why not the left wingers?
DID HWA TEACH A SALVATION THROUGH "JC"???
No, not Jesus Christ, but rather JIM CROW???
What I find quite interesting is that people on this site seem to hate everything about HWA. No one forced anyone to go to church on a Saturday, except the kids of members. No one forced anyone to go to the feast or to tithe. If anyone did not like what they were getting into they could vote with there feet. This site seems to have become a self-pity party. There many things that were wrong some have been corrected in the splinters some things have not. So stop your bellyaching and get on with your lives. We all have scars from this church. Life is to short to blame everything that happens in your life on HWA.
ANON 9:06
Why dont you just "get on with your life" and quit "bellyaching" about us "bellyaching".
Life is too short for you to hang around here , monitoring us.
BTW-- Force was used in the WCG. Like a gun put to the head with a threat of death, a worse threat was proposed... not just temporal death , BUT DEATH FOR ALL ETERNITY! Much worse.
People who have been abused often take long periods of time to process and recover. Should they shut down the Holocaust museums and should the Jews just "get over it"??
Furthermore, abuse continues in cult splinters, ie Flurry , Pack, Weinland etc, and this site provides haven and a form of "Free Press" for the dissemination of information and resource for those currently entangled with such.
There is some degree of reflection that is necessary to examine about ones self, and why they endured much of the nonsense that has occurred in the COGs. To examine ones vulnerabilities, thought processes, place / time and age as to what has happened takes time and should not be on anyones "time schedule" , especially some anonymous poster who knows nothing about me, my journey, victories, pain or defeats.
Glad you are feeling well adjusted and recovered. Grant mercy on those who are a wee bit behind your enlightenment.
OK boomer.
The Painful Truth (8:35):
The left-wingers should be given equal time. It is just that whenever someone has tried to peddle a conspiracy theory to me, it has always been a right-winger. I also have an unsubstantiated impression that right-wing conspiracy theories are a little more wacky the left-wing conspiracy theory. Also, if someone rants about the Trilateral Commission, does that make him right or left wing?
Back in my hometown in the Midwest, I used to sometimes listen to right-wing talk radio when I was a kid. To my knowledge there was no left-wing talk radio. Then the big rant from the right-wing was that the fluoridation of water was a communist plot. Many of the call-ins were from John Birchers who could trace your local water plant foreman through family connections to someone on the Trilateral Commission, or something like that. It was pretty funny but the fact they believed all this with great seriousness was a little disconcerting.
I feel the same way about BI fans. It is a little disturbing to hear them talk or write seriously about something so demonstrably delusional. Even more disturbing to realize I used to believe this stuff.
Anonymous (9:06)
If someone yells "fire" in a crowded auditorium and some people are trampled and killed in the panic to get through the exit, isn't it a little disingenuous to say that "they did not have to be in the theatre that evening. They could have stayed home."
The issue that should really concern us is whether the person who yelled "fire" thought there really was a fire or whether he knew that there was no fire. The former is a mistake and the latter is murder. This is the same question we should ask about HWA. To date, I do not know with certainty what the answer is.
4.56 AM
So if someone disagrees with you, they don't have the holy spirit. Now where have I heard that before? Many times before.
Just wondering ….. I have been around the cogs since 1960. Does anyone know when RCG/WCG ever referred to or taught this "BI"? British -Israelism. Was it ever referred to as such? I don't think so, but I could be wrong. However,so many attack this "B-I" with such a vengeance, so my only question is was that particular term ever used in the wcg writings or teachings?
TPT said: “ Learn from intelligent men, not those who socially engineered this snowflake generation of whining little pussies who can't tell the gender of a person with their pants pulled down.”
Absolutely love it! That’s one to remember!😂👍
9.06 AM
"We all have scars from this church."
If you had scars from HWAs church, you would be singing a different song. You were probably one of Herbs untouchable "made men," like a minister or elder. The Mafia don't have a monopoly on anything.
NEO doesn't know the answer.
In 1980 Stan Rader representing a sick hwa, addressed the entire military junta of the Philippines at the largest military base there and expressed the Church's unwavering support for the Marcos agricultural and land reform program, pledging a certain amount of money.
Today it is breaking news that the Chinese are able to switch off the entire Philippine power grid within a minute. (while taking strategic islands).
Ok NEO, were we sincere in our efforts to "share the blessings of the USA and shout fire when those interest were under threat?"
It's a matter of perspective I guess.
I hear a EU fleet is going to patrol the oil sea gate. This Trump person is not so much the right wing dream he is made out to be rather a sign of America's (gradual) demise to normalcy from ("Jacob's") empire.
Nck
7:45
NEVER ever was BI referred to as such.
I learned of BI only after decades in the church while travelling through London.
When I took the regular pictures of the changing of the guard at Buckingham palace a sudden rainstorm made us seek immediate shelter.
Across the street I found shelter under the balcony of a white house. On the edifice I noticed a sign saying "British Israel World Federation." Of course this was way before the internet was invented by the great scientist Al Gore. But still I learned that day that more people believed that Thatchers rule might not restore Britain to greatness.
(This proved wrong since "The City of London Corporation" managed to sponsor the rest of Britain out of recession after the Reagan/Thatcher liberalisation.) Something to behold now that Brexit might impede the status of the City of London Corporation.
Anyway. No BI as a definition was non existant within wcg although its premiss of course was.
nck
Anonymous said...
Just wondering ….. I have been around the cogs since 1960. Does anyone know when RCG/WCG ever referred to or taught this "BI"? British -Israelism. Was it ever referred to as such? I don't think so, but I could be wrong. However,so many attack this "B-I" with such a vengeance, so my only question is was that particular term ever used in the wcg writings or teachings?
Excellent question. My own impression is that HWA pulled together a smorgasbord of ideas from other places and then was very careful to avoid what they were called in general circles. So he took ideas like British-Israelism, the Primacy of Peter, Soul Sleep and Universal Salvation and he claimed it was "the Truth" he alone received directly from Christ. Then he labeled his religious competition things like "Laodicea", "Sardis"(the dead church) and "Pagan Christianity" so as to keep his followers locked in and fearful of actually studying anything outside of church literature.
I haven't seen much if any "vengeful attacks" on British-Israelism but I do think for some who have studied the topic and realize how many holes are in the doctrine, can get frustrated much like people who are dumbfounded by the growing number of folks who believe the earth is flat.
Near_Earth_Object said...
The Painful Truth (8:35):
The left-wingers should be given equal time.
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Fair enough. I was hoping that you see both the left and right as the same useless sob's that they are.
NCK wrote: "NEO doesn't know the answer"
Now, after your post, I don't know the question.
People forget all too quickly. Back when President Clinton was having his troubles, Hilllary told the media that there was a vast right wing conspiracy against her husband. Immediately following 9/11, the left concocted theories that our own government was the author of the acts of domestic terrorism so that President Bush could go after Osama bin Laden, righting one of his father's missteps. Earlier, back in 1964, there was the Gulf of Tonkin incident, largely manufactured so that President Johnson could draw the USA more deeply into the Vietnam War.
Sorry to go all Dr. Spencer Reid on y'all. It seems that our local buttholes frequently accuse me of being a leftie, but I have always believed that both the extreme lefties and the extreme righties are, as James termed them, useless sob's. That is because I'm a moderate, or centrist, who generally votes against the incumbents as I see them dragging the country too far from center. As such, I critique both sides, so the lefties and the righties see me as not totally brainwashed to the extent of 100% endorsing their causes, making me a very attackable enemy.
BB
Love you too NEO.
BB. Poor Prez Bush jr never conspired to do anything. I know for a fact that "the Cheney-Rumsfeld" team who had served in several capacities since the early seventies did conspire to have inexperienced Gov Bush jr in office to right the "Sadam mistake." Osama was never top priority for the neocons, reshuffling the Middle East was however. Since the Cheney-Rumsfeld years Nato is in permanent state of war. wars and rumors of wars and the populations of nato countries hardly know they are, while all kinds of "safety measures are implemented for surveillance capitalism).
I remember after 911 on the ambassador alumni site "predicting" what would happen and each and every person was prepared to surrender freedom(s) in a trade off for safety. I was so disillusioned at the time with the last crop of AC products. Then I realized they were the perfect zombie Americans or as Ronald Reagon called them Ambassadroids.
Nck
Bob writes: "As such, I critique both sides, so the lefties and the righties see me as not totally brainwashed to the extent of 100% endorsing their causes, making me a very attackable enemy."
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Goes to show you that people take sides without thinking this cluster fuck through and through. Once you figure out that the rule of law is what a politician says it is, then now no matter the party, they are all enemies of the people. This is the problem with a democracy. It is mob rule. Divide the people and create sides that you can pit against each others as the useful idiots they are. The founders of the USA knew this so they created what? A republic.
The acog's do the same shit. Divide the people in order to gain followers. Followers are not people who think openly and freely. So ask yourself this: What does it take to follow a guy like li'l Bobby Thiel or David C Pack? Acceptance without critical thinking. People let others think for themselves which as all of us former cultists know, is one piss poor decision.
And in case you were wondering about myself Byker Bob, I love you dearly. You are one hell of a good guy. You can explain stuff so that the average person can see your point clearly.
@7:36, PT, James
We're good brother-man. Lots of good history over the past decades, and we've accomplished a lot of good together. The person I had in mind when I was writing my comment above was the anonymous mental midget who is always proclaiming that I'm a leftie who is only informed by the mainstream media.
BB
"The person I had in mind when I was writing my comment above was the anonymous mental midget who is always proclaiming that I'm a leftie "
probably Kevin
"But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand." Isaiah 32:8
c f ben yochanan
please stop censoring me
4.07 AM
I have watched the tele evangelists, listened to their radio programs, and read their books. They all try to 'keep their followers locked in.' Herb learnt this as well in his eleven year 'apprenticeship' with the seventh day Adventists. One of the ploys that is commonly used to achieve this is murder via crippling the minds of their followers. Hence they attack self esteem, self confidence, assertiveness, and completely reject rights. Any trait that enables their members to be strong and independent is attacked. Satan is not the only one who has a love affair with murder. Churchianity has it down to an art form. Herb sanctioned this behavior with his frequent 'beware of the evil of self esteem,' which he and his ministers in fact secretly covet. Murder is rampant in the ACOGs, which is a major reason why their prayers and fasts for growth go unanswered.
Edith Ann leave Kevin alone.
Anonymous Nov. 25 at 7:45 PM said...
"Just wondering ….. I have been around the cogs since 1960. Does anyone know when RCG/WCG ever referred to or taught this "BI"? British -Israelism. Was it ever referred to as such? I don't think so, but I could be wrong. However,so many attack this "B-I" with such a vengeance, so my only question is was that particular term ever used in the wcg writings or teachings?"
At an Ambassador College assembly some time during the 1959/60 school year, HWA made a big announcement. He had hired a major scholar. I don't remember his name, but he was a Brit who propounded the theory of British Israel. He supposedly came with excellent academic credentials and glowing recommendations. It was not clear whether he was going to teach college students, or write church booklets, or serve as a consultant, or what, but HWA proclaimed with great pride that he was a certified expert on British Israel. Then the guy gave a speech explaining what it was.
I was astonished. I was only 18 years old, but I had read widely and reasoned well, and I could not believe anyone would fall for such a theory. It did match Church teachings about prophecy, but I had always interpreted those teachings to mean the US and British Commonwealth were only *symbolically* two of the lost tribes. To hear somebody claim they were actual genetic descendants of ancient Israel was just bizarre. And why was HWA hiring someone whose training came from outside the Church? I mean the music director and the tennis coach were not church members, but everybody who had any say about doctrine was supposed to be a true believer.
Anyway, we never heard another presentation by that guy. He disappeared from public view, and I never heard the term "British Israel" mentioned officially again.
That's all I know. No idea what went on behind the scenes, or how much the guy got paid for his brief stint with Ambassador College.
Start censoring c f ben yochanan
Wowowowowowwoowowo Retired Prof.
So Retired Prof is born in 1940 was one of the "early AC students."
Although the required booklet "US&Bin prophecy had been out in several versions since 1945, he did not know about the literal interpretation and believed the theory to be symbolic.
HWA consulted many people outside AC and also hired many from outside like Mr Apartian.
The initial and origina plan for AC as discussed with his brother in law an accomplished educator, was quite different and unique from what it turned out to be after nimkompoops like Meredith placed their stamp on HWA's original ideas.
Retired Prof.
Your story reminds me somewhat of the association of Anthony Buzzard with the church. The father being head of british naval intelligence and one of the founding members of the bilderbergers. The group I know many people from and are dedicated to US - European relations and the current world order. The father of Anthony Buzzard was a strategist concerning Britain's place in the world. I don't know if he ever fell for BI like his son but he was a church man and APPLES dont fall far from TREES.
nck
BI goes back to the 1600s, and was mainstream in England in the 1800s. Queen Victoria and her advisors believed that the British empire was Gods fulfillment to Abraham in the book of Genesis. In fact, BI was an official doctrine of the 2 million strong Anglican church at the time. So BI was mainstream in England before HWA was even born in 1892.
Retired Prof, for a 'prof,' you don't seem well informed.
Right But HWA would change the lyrics in some songs "Onward Christian Soldiers" and Battle Hymn of the Republic" for example
to fit his views
But HWA changed the words of some hymnsi.e Onward Christian Soldiers and Battle Hymn of the Republic to fit his views
Of course the scam meisters never referred to the theory as British Israelism! As strange as it might seem now, that was considered to be a derogatory term. The church taught that it was "God's truth", or "the truth". So far as I know, those were the only official terms by which it was known. Calling it "British Israelism" was like calling the WCG "Armstrongism". See also pejorative.
BB
Ocelot said:
"But HWA changed the words of some hymnsi.e Onward Christian Soldiers and Battle Hymn of the Republic to fit his views"
Yeah Ocelot.
Try and tell BB that "Glorious things of thee are spoken" was sung on the rythm of the meathook german anthem. :-)
What song leader was the first to change "America America God shed his grace etc.......to........Oh Israel Oh Israel.........??
nck
Without a doubt, HWA slurred the Germans, bigtime. I doubt that he realized that the predominant dna amongst US citizenry is German, and not Anglo-Saxon. Over the years, I've met any number of German people, and the vast majority of them had multiple admirable qualities.
And, Yeah, nck. I knew about "Deutschland Uber Alles"
"Do be careful amongst the English!" ~Amish patriarch Eli Lapp, Witness, 1985
BB
Re: 11:49
Oh man I love "witness." (and the AC girl who looked like Kelly McGillis and played "the beasty boys" at camp.)
I also like Magua speaking about "the grand pere the francais" who fights the "British" "hessian mercenary" troops.
I don't know if hwa slurred the Germans. The Germans were greatly restricted in the USA in the interbellum. For instance in New York State it was hard to buy houses for German descent people in 1938.
HWA prided in his particular American lineage that extended before the hessian set fire to the colonies, before the habsburg catholics surrendered California, lived through anti German sentiment and laws during the interbellum and most of germanies occupation that officially lasted until 1991.
HWA was certainly aware that the Saxons are a tribe from germanic lands, hence the "sifting theory", which is a better solution than Hoeh's idiotic claim about the "round faced", and the "long faced" Germans. Of which the "long faced turned out to be British after all.
Anyway Flurry continued this specific trait of fear mongering when the German luftwaffe was training in nato exercises at alamagordk airforce base, expecting immininent treacherous bombardment of DC. Of course nothing of the sorts happened only Afghanistan suffered the consequences of those training shorties.
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btw
the germans don't use the "uber alles" phrase anymore, since it could so easily be misinterpreted from the original meaning of "the german nation over 300 loose principalities within the german culture realm" as the author intended as the true transborderialist that he was.
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Blaming someone else's supposed "privilege" for your shortcomings is such a cop-out. When it's your turn to answer Yeshua about how you didn't do this or that when you could have, are you really going to mention someone else's supposed easier route?
By the way, the first slaves in the colonies and the Caribbean were thousands and thousands of Irish children and women, worth much less than African slaves. And the first slave owner was black. History is so full of irony.
Can't we just agree that all slavery is wrong, just like all sin is wrong equally, no matter what your skin looks like??? YHWH is no respecter of persons so why should we put ourselves in special, woe-is-me classes???
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