Dave's Proposed Mini-Me Auditorium
For such a beautiful campus, which the almost 2k members around the world paid for:
- many will never be able to see it in person
- where you are allowed to go and what you can do is extremely restricted and surveilled
- let's say sit on a bench somewhere in prayer getting thru a difficult trial before the sunrise or when the sun is setting, expect for security to question why you are there or how you got in after-hours and possibly face correction.
- The campus was initially going to be open to the public with plans to give the city government access to the future Auditorium, however on several occasions upon curiosity of who RCG is people have walked on to campus only to be threatened by security and Dr. Pastor not to come onto the campus again. It remains locked via a gate that can only be opened by folks with keycards.
- Many companies offer generous healthcare plans for their employees while RCG does not, meanwhile many precious, rare and expensive trees have died on the rcg campus due to human error. These trees and plants have cost a lot of money. Money that could have gone towards at least offering the entire staff dental plans at minimum.
- There are many brethren in third world/dangerous countries who jeopardize their lives, travel many miles/hours to be members, give 3 tithes on extremely low income budgets, yet despite RCG having a huge amount of farmland none of it it used to either ship out produce to those in need or turn around and sell it in order to put into a fund for those of our brethren suffering in the world.
- The staff has access to freely farm on the land every year only if they do all the work themselves and manage their plots. There are horses and chickens, and more animals coming, who do they feed?
- Pack had a facade wall installed in the back of his house that can remote rise up to cut out the traffic noise, his life was never in any danger and no one not even in splinters know who he is, had he stood in his beautiful home that he had before moving onto campus that money could have gone to the underpaid staff.
- his old home was approximately a 5 min drive from the campus. Pack is currently still not know widely and has no reason to fear living in public. This was used to justify him moving on the campus
- fun fact: Pack once said people who walk by a piece of trash on the campus and do not pick it up might not even have God's spirit. He forgot to consider perhaps someone could not see it cus they are programmed to walk with perfect posture/face facing forward and fast as not to waste company time getting from building to building. The quicker the better.
- Another fun fact: the buildings and landscape were started by contractors but the majority of the work down to landscape was done by hq employees who in an elaborate scheme and workaround to labor laws were "time-shared" to indoor and outdoor work. Meaning for one part of the morning they did their regular job and during the afternoon they did landscaping but maintain hours as not to go overboard and pay anyone overtime.
- they hired certain staff at the beginning who had strong views and were according to RCG "insubordinate" and once they had completed crucial jobs would get fired.
- There was a time when Pack said that the church would no longer have to be burdened with building the campus that the banks would take care of everything else.
- some of the most hardworking laymembers have the shitiest offices/furniture
- Retirement in RCG is acceptable so long as you are working for free on the campus. The only reason Pack has preached so harshly on the topic of retirement is because over 80% of the church are elderly people. Much of the membership are prime candidates to retire or are on SS/SSI and are not required to tithe on SI/SSI because it is government assistance.
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This is truly incredible. Built by the blood, sweat and tears of some who gave all for this campus and were let go and forced to even leave wadsworth.
POTENTIAL NEWS FLASH (that wouldnt surprise anyone!) ---
Pack to require that people using the bathroom on the "compound" to be limited to just one small square sheet of toilet paper, and to use it in "common"!
It's sad how some people who could destroy Pack won't do it. They would rather let him destroy innocent people. The victims are tossed in the trash while evil scum are protected. That seems to be the way liberals are in general. Same old same old. Just like the swamp is draining Trump and not the other way around.
This campus shows what raw coercion and intimidation can get done when funded to brain dead and devoted theological groupies. I would encourage RCG members give up the going along to get along and listen to that still small voice in your head that is telling you that you have to see Dave's folly in both theology and his visions of grandeur and self absorption David Pack is a narcissist in the classic sense of the word and psychological profile. No god speaks to Dave. No god inspires or impresses on his unmatched intelligence anything. He just makes shit up. Perhaps he thinks there is a real god behind it all inspiring him or perhaps he knows better too.
How many times have we heard just how sure, 100% sure that he is right on things that have long since past and being 100% wrong? How many times does it take to fool an RCG member before they see things as they are? It's not even subtle. It's just endless theological bullshit with Dave as the chief actor in the theatre he extorts from people to pay for, stage that he only is allowed to play on and script he writes as it comes to him. Dave is not an Apostle or a Pastor. He's an arrogant fool who is going to bring misery to many people who must feel now they have invested too much to turn back. They need to cut their losses and get out before it all implodes.
The curtain is going to go down on this boy sooner or later and it won't be pretty. However, Dave has proven himself enough to be mistaken in everything he comes up with and the pain members suffer when it collapses will not be because they couldn't see it coming.
"The only difference between a cult and a religion is the amount of real estate they own."
Frank Zappa
"People under the influence of cults is similar to that we observe in addicts. Typical behavior for both includes draining bank accounts, neglecting children, destroying relations with family and losing interest in anything except the drug or cult."
Keith Henson
"A delusion held by one person is a mental illness, held by a few is a cult, held by many is a religion."
Robert Todd Carroll
"If a spiritual teacher says something that doesn't make sense to you, you should always listen to yourself and not the teacher. A little common sense would end all cults."
Frederick Lenz
"Here's an easy way to figure out if you're in a cult: If you're wondering whether you're in a cult, the answer is yes."
Stephen Colbert
A cult following is a nice way of saying very few people like you.
Martin Mull
It is easy to proclaim what someone else should or should not have done. The fact is that "destroying Pack" is not as simple as saying it, or even close. Pack always wins. The best way to defeat him is to leave his sphere of influence. Do not sit in judgment of how others choose to rid themselves of Pack and start a new life. Some people just want to be done with Pack and his games, not continue to engage him. Who is anyone else to judge how one decides to move on from a cult?
limited to just one small square sheet of toilet paper
Tonto's comment reminded me of this classic scene from Seinfeld
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Pack had a facade wall installed in the back of his house that can remote rise up to cut out the traffic noise, his life was never in any danger and no one not even in splinters know who he is, had he stood in his beautiful home that he had before moving onto campus that money could have gone to the underpaid staff.
- his old home was approximately a 5 min drive from the campus. Pack is currently still not know widely and has no reason to fear living in public. This was used to justify him moving on the campus.
A Vietnam vet was asked in an interview about just who were the Vietcong and how did you identify them? He said he learned real quickly upon arriving in the war zone that it didn't matter who the Vietcong were because WE created the Vietcong everyday. He said they would unmercifully ravage villages. The survivors, allies then would become enemies thereafter.
The creation of enemies is the modus operandis of Dave Pack. He knows it, he sees it and he often times identifies many of his enemies. His plea to the church of which was repeated more than once; "I have to get myself behind a gate" was a testament to the listener that he could be a potential martyr and was in his mind validation that he was indispensable unto the future of Christianity.
In the end there was no other place that Dave Pack was going to reside except in the heart of his created kingdom. He has stated that he will be the center attraction for all prophesied events that he believes should have already taken place or will shortly.
Paying staff what they are worth, providing insurance for them is a non existent thought in his mind. It is all about creating the aura for the world of "who I am".
The one mind and one thought and we all speak the same thing RCG commandment means the church member is engrossed in the same actions and thought processes that Dave Pack expresses on and on about himself. They believe with their whole being that this man can fulfill all of the titles he has given himself and that he can execute all of the prophesied events of the bible in the very near future. He is in the center of all of their minds sitting in the center of paradise proclaiming himself as being in the center of all world events in the near future.
There never was going to be any validity to living in a residential neighborhood 5 miles away from the stepping stone of world adoration. Those who exercise war to obtain adoration create many enemies. I know for a fact that I have been identified as one, what about you?
Exactly right. You cannot defeat a psychopath. Your best scenario is to get them out of your life. Ask Don Tiger. Run away and never look back unless you are up for a fight to death.
I can understand why some former WCG members would go with David Pack at the start of his Restored Church. David Pack had said that he was going to reprint the old WCG literature from HWA's time, and he even began to do that starting with some booklet. When the WCG-PCG copyright lawsuit scared him out of doing that, David Pack began to rewrite the old WCG literature in his own words.
Now, however, David Pack has lost his marbles and has gone nuts. David Pack now claims to be an Apostle, Joshua the High Priest, Elijah the Prophet, That Prophet of Deuteronomy 18:18-19, and is even talking about becoming the Messiah. David Pack's earlier booklet proving that HWA was Elijah the Prophet, as well as his booklet proving that Jesus was That Prophet of Deuteronomy 18:18-19, got deleted from his Restored Church's website. David Pack's supposed greatness caused him to come up with an August 31, 2013 prophetic guess that totally failed, and his “Common” doctrine that everyone must send him virtually everything they have, and his stream of “First Dominion” nonsense that never seems to end.
So, why are people still with David Pack? Is David Pack just more cunning and deceitful than most could imagine? Do people really not care at all about what he teaches? Does it not matter to them that instead of holding on to what HWA had taught in the past, David Pack is now making up his own new nonsense each week like a real demoniac? Have people handed over everything they owned to David Pack as he commanded them to and therefore find it psychologically difficult to admit that it was all a satanic fraud?
What happened Mr Pack...??
Your opponent - FLURRY - already has a "must-have" HerbieAUDITORIUM!
He also has his TV show on many stations! Where's your TV stations?
"It's sad how some people who could destroy Pack won't do it. They would rather let him destroy innocent people. "
There was a former employee who as early as the year 2000 wrote to the entire membership and contributor list exposing what he experienced while working for Pack. He warned them about Pack, but Pack retaliated with slander and lies. Maybe he learned from it, and forces all new employees to sign non-disclosure statements.
Pack warned his membership that if he went off the rails they should not follow him. They ignored that advice, therefor they deserve to be fleeced.
Those who follow Pack over the messiah deserve death according to the bible because they follow after a false prophet.
Again, they deserve to be fleeced. Go for it Dave!
Dave Packs behavior is an extension of HWAs church culture. In Herbs church, members were stripped of all their natural rights and only acted by permission. Just like children. Ministers dictated what members opinion of themselves should be,
and their status in the group. Forget about earning status through merit.
That these daddy ministers can now supposedly determine who does or doesn't enter the kingdom is unsurprising.
So mindlessly follow Dave and hand over all your wealth, or no entrance into the kingdom for you. Where's following Christ in any of this?
PT
I am not sure if people "deserve" this. I do agree that Dave set the "go off the rails" thing as a key performance indicator. So yes it should be heeded.
Regarding HWA, a key performance indicator would be "don't believe me, believe your bibles".
nck
8:17 AM gets it. HWA promised members that if they submitted to the ministerial HWA-caca, they would eventually become God and rule over the world. So, your choice is simple: leave the church and go to the Lake of Fire, or put up with the crap and eventually become the abuser rather than the abused. It's not unlike what the serpent promised Eve, or what the victims of child abuse go through if they don't break the cycle and avoid becoming abusers themselves.
The Painful Truth at 7:38 AM said...
“Pack warned his membership that if he went off the rails they should not follow him. They ignored that advice, therefor they deserve to be fleeced.”
“Those who follow Pack over the messiah deserve death according to the bible because they follow after a false prophet.”
“Again, they deserve to be fleeced. Go for it Dave!”
Ouch!!! That really is The PAINFUL Truth.
Whether they want to admit it or not, Restored Church members really are serving Satan's FALSE Apostle/Joshua/Elijah/Prophet/Messiah. They are helping Dave Pack to utterly warp and pervert everything that HWA had taught while pretending to be HWA's loyal and faithful and true followers. They are now hypocrites if they continue to go along with Dave Pack.
The CRUEL FACT that Dave Pack played a satanic “Bait & Switch” trick on his followers, promising them all of HWA's old teachings but then making outrageous changes to them, does NOT make it okay for them to continue to support his wicked lies that he wants to tell to more people.
The CRUEL FACT that Dave Pack took away virtually everything his followers owned with his newly restored “common” theft doctrine does NOT make it okay for them to continue to support his wicked thefts that he wants to do to more people.
The CRUEL FACT that Dave Pack did satanic evils to his followers does NOT make it okay for them to help him to do those same satanic evils to even more people.
Once while traveling in the vicinity of this place, I decided I had 20 minutes to waste and got off the Interstate and parked at Giant Eagle.
Just how absurd these polished buildings look when you view them from the literally right-next-door shopping center - that was my first impression.
Yes, there's a locked gate at the beginning of the access road, but when I saw the place there was no barrier or fencing at all just north of that gate and for hundreds of feet beyond. If you had the audacity to walk on the grass, you could trespass for a short distance there, and then walk over to the road. Another absurdity.
A line of electrical transmission towers runs right through the property, and you see those and wonder what sort of real estate bargain they got for what I'm sure was pronounced a "perfect," "blessed" place to go on with "God's work."
A car came through the gate while I was standing there. Whoever it was came that short distance into the lot, parked near me and went into Giant Eagle. It would probably not have been a very difficult walk, but . . .
People use the phrase "There but for the grace of God" too much, but I certainly used it then. I got out of there because I began to really feel unwell, gazing into what I might be part of if it weren't for recovering my reason.
And now they want to add more to this oasis-where-none-is-needed? Sheesh.
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