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With all the new crazy self-appointed Chief Overseers, Apostles, Prophets, Pharisees, legalists, and outright liars leading various Churches of God today, it is important to hold these agents of deception accountable.
Herbert Armstrong's Tangled Web of Corrupt Leaders
Remember John Lennon' song "Imagine"? Lets make the statement "Imagine if there was No Prophecy".
If we are Christians, then why, no matter where we are at in the timeline of history, would our behavior be any different? We shouldn't be getting high, sexually immoral, thieving, lusting, idolatry etc. no matter what anyway!
Being a prophecy junkie, AKA --- "Apocaholic" is the result of trying to have some kind of "control over the future", and is merely an illusion of such. What we control in life is very limited, in fact, just the 5 feet or so that surrounds you!
I will simplify all this for everyone who is a believer... Hang in there, do what is right, love God and your fellow man, and EVERYTHING is going to be alright! Its all a matter of time... just wait and see!
Never has the COG been filled with so many certifiable liars like we have today. From Flurry, Pack, Weinland, to sad pathetic Thiel, these agents of deception are the biggest liars we have seen
Tonto, 6:57 am, commented with very wise advice: "...I will simplify all this for everyone who is a believer... Hang in there, do what is right, love God and your fellow man, and EVERYTHING is going to be alright! Its all a matter of time... just wait and see!..."
Tonto is absolutely right - this obsession with prophecy (especially with the order and timing of events associated with the tribulation and Christ's return) is unhealthy and unproductive. As Christians, we should be busy living the kind of life worthy of that moniker - worrying about what happens next is contrary to the teachings of Jesus Christ. It is wasted energy/time/resources to fret over things which we have absolutely ZERO control over!
As we all know, as long as the lies are done in the name of God, then it's all good. Just like all the other things that's been done to hurt others. History lesson 101.
Someone once said that HWA made a lot of promises that he was not going to be around to deliver on, and that he would not be able to deliver on even if he were around, and that, worst of all, God would not feel obligated to deliver on even though HWA had made the promises in His name.
PREDICTION ADDICTION has seriously messed up a lot of people and wasted their time. The time it wasted turned into their very lives that got wasted. It did not help their morality either.
A kid told me he was a palm reader and could "tell my fortune" from my hand. After studiously examining all the lines on my hand he looked at me and said, "You will die one day". It hasn't happened yet (like almost all COG prophecies) but one day it will (no comment on COG prophecies).
There was a Jewish sage who told his students, "Repent the day before you die". The students responded with, "Rabbi, how do you know the day you are going to die?" The sage replied, "You don't, repent now!"
Nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. Or false prophecies and triple tithes.
It's hard to know when a COGpreacher knows they are lying, or if they really believe what they tell you.
I remember a WCG member who would say "That's a lie!" when someone made a factual mistake. It's a little disconcerting when a poor memory results in being called a liar.
“Hoss at 2:22 PM said...“I remember a WCG member who would say 'That's a lie!' when someone made a factual mistake. It's a little disconcerting when a poor memory results in being called a liar.”
Hoss, I understand that sort of thing.
But what normal, honest, decent person would ever promote himself to the sort of offices that Flurry, Pack, Weinland, and Thiel promote themselves to? What normal, honest, decent person would ever come up with the sort of evil teachings that they come up with? Their problems go far beyond merely having poor memories. They simply are not normal, honest, decent people. They are abnormal, dishonest, indecent, FALSE PROPHETS.
Having a POOR MEMORY like many people have, and being a SATANIC FRAUD like Flurry, Pack, Weinland, and Thiel are, are two completely different things.
Another dangerous presumption is "I'm God's anointed apostle/prophet/witness/poohbah, speaking what God's spirit tells me, so everything I say must be true!" That seems to be the thinking of Dave Pack when he makes his contradictory pronouncements, and Bob Thiel's on the fly exegesis. "Preacher infallibility" at its worst.
Of course that's not confined to the COGs, a local Protestant minister claims he's "speaking the words given to him by the Holy Spirit". When he made factual errors, I mumbled that the "spirit" guiding him doesn't seem to know... The reaction to that was that the preacher was old and forgets things.
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So I dont get it!
Remember John Lennon' song "Imagine"? Lets make the statement "Imagine if there was No Prophecy".
If we are Christians, then why, no matter where we are at in the timeline of history, would our behavior be any different? We shouldn't be getting high, sexually immoral, thieving, lusting, idolatry etc. no matter what anyway!
Being a prophecy junkie, AKA --- "Apocaholic" is the result of trying to have some kind of "control over the future", and is merely an illusion of such. What we control in life is very limited, in fact, just the 5 feet or so that surrounds you!
I will simplify all this for everyone who is a believer... Hang in there, do what is right, love God and your fellow man, and EVERYTHING is going to be alright! Its all a matter of time... just wait and see!
Never has the COG been filled with so many certifiable liars like we have today. From Flurry, Pack, Weinland, to sad pathetic Thiel, these agents of deception are the biggest liars we have seen
Tonto, 6:57 am, commented with very wise advice: "...I will simplify all this for everyone who is a believer... Hang in there, do what is right, love God and your fellow man, and EVERYTHING is going to be alright! Its all a matter of time... just wait and see!..."
And, if we may imagine it: time will tell...
John
Tonto is absolutely right - this obsession with prophecy (especially with the order and timing of events associated with the tribulation and Christ's return) is unhealthy and unproductive. As Christians, we should be busy living the kind of life worthy of that moniker - worrying about what happens next is contrary to the teachings of Jesus Christ. It is wasted energy/time/resources to fret over things which we have absolutely ZERO control over!
As we all know, as long as the lies are done in the name of God, then it's all good. Just like all the other things that's been done to hurt others. History lesson 101.
Someone once said that HWA made a lot of promises that he was not going to be around to deliver on, and that he would not be able to deliver on even if he were around, and that, worst of all, God would not feel obligated to deliver on even though HWA had made the promises in His name.
PREDICTION ADDICTION has seriously messed up a lot of people and wasted their time. The time it wasted turned into their very lives that got wasted. It did not help their morality either.
"Apocaholic" - brilliant!
A kid told me he was a palm reader and could "tell my fortune" from my hand. After studiously examining all the lines on my hand he looked at me and said, "You will die one day". It hasn't happened yet (like almost all COG prophecies) but one day it will (no comment on COG prophecies).
There was a Jewish sage who told his students, "Repent the day before you die". The students responded with, "Rabbi, how do you know the day you are going to die?" The sage replied, "You don't, repent now!"
Nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. Or false prophecies and triple tithes.
Gerald R. Flurry (PCG), David C. Pack (RCG), Ronald E. Weinland (COG-PKG), and Robert J. Thiel (CCG) all sound like they were born liars.
Someone else once said that the end of the world is when you die.
...all sound like they were born liars
It's hard to know when a COGpreacher knows they are lying, or if they really believe what they tell you.
I remember a WCG member who would say "That's a lie!" when someone made a factual mistake. It's a little disconcerting when a poor memory results in being called a liar.
“Hoss at 2:22 PM said...“I remember a WCG member who would say 'That's a lie!' when someone made a factual mistake. It's a little disconcerting when a poor memory results in being called a liar.”
Hoss, I understand that sort of thing.
But what normal, honest, decent person would ever promote himself to the sort of offices that Flurry, Pack, Weinland, and Thiel promote themselves to? What normal, honest, decent person would ever come up with the sort of evil teachings that they come up with? Their problems go far beyond merely having poor memories. They simply are not normal, honest, decent people. They are abnormal, dishonest, indecent, FALSE PROPHETS.
Having a POOR MEMORY like many people have, and being a SATANIC FRAUD like Flurry, Pack, Weinland, and Thiel are, are two completely different things.
it has been my experience that those focused on prophecy are the ones with the least understanding of what God requires of us....
Another dangerous presumption is "I'm God's anointed apostle/prophet/witness/poohbah, speaking what God's spirit tells me, so everything I say must be true!" That seems to be the thinking of Dave Pack when he makes his contradictory pronouncements, and Bob Thiel's on the fly exegesis. "Preacher infallibility" at its worst.
Of course that's not confined to the COGs, a local Protestant minister claims he's "speaking the words given to him by the Holy Spirit". When he made factual errors, I mumbled that the "spirit" guiding him doesn't seem to know... The reaction to that was that the preacher was old and forgets things.
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