Upping the ante on...
Dave Pack's New "Surrogate" Heresy
Would he? Could he? Will He?
I was never sure if the following was to be seen as many saying Jesus was the Christ but... or many would claim to be Christ returned, reincarnated or coopted by themselves as surrogates for Jesus for one mentally unstable reason or another.
Mark 13:6
Many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and will deceive many.
for many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah.’ They will deceive many.
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
It happens, evidently.
Tis a long list!
Rhys Evans, (1607 – c.1660) who later renamed himself 'Arise Evans' was a Welsh prophet who travelled to London to spread his premonitions. He was arrested and imprisoned around 1650 at Newgate Prison for impersonating Christ.
Ann Lee (1736–1784), the founder and leader of the Shakers. Lee's followers referred to her as "Mother", believing that she was the female incarnation of Christ on Earth.
John Nichols Thom (1799–1838), a Cornish tax rebel who claimed to be the "saviour of the world" and the reincarnation of Jesus Christ in 1834. He was killed by British soldiers at the Battle of Bossenden Wood, on 31 May 1838 in Kent, England.
Arnold Potter (1804–1872), Schismatic Latter Day Saint leader; he claimed the spirit of Jesus Christ entered into his body and he became "Potter Christ" Son of the living God. He died in an attempt to "ascend into heaven" by jumping off a cliff. His body was later retrieved and buried by his followers.
William W. Davies (1833–1906), leader of a Latter Day Saint schismatic group called the Kingdom of Heaven located in Walla Walla, Washington from 1867 to 1881. He taught his followers that he was the archangel Michael, who had previously lived as the biblical Adam, Abraham, and David. When his son Arthur was born on 11 February 1868, Davies declared that the infant was the reincarnated Jesus Christ] When Davies's second son, David, was born in 1869, he was declared to be God the Father
lan John Miller (b. 1962), more commonly known as A.J. Miller, a former Jehovah's Witness Elder and current leader of the Australia-based Divine Truth movement.[66] Miller claims to be Jesus Christ reincarnated with others in the 20th century to spread messages that he calls the "Divine Truth". He delivers these messages in seminars and various forms of media along with his current partner Mary Suzanne Luck, who identifies herself as the returned Mary Magdalene.
Gabbie Hanna (b. 1991), an American Internet personality and singer-songwriter, went on a multi-post rant on TikTok in August 2022 claiming to be the second coming of Jesus.
Not to mention this mess of a confusing, unconvincing and jumbled reasoning that I'm not sure Dave even sounds convinced of, I gurantee you that not one minister in RCG, Enabler or member could explain what Dave is trying to say here and why "it simply can't be argued with", as Dave no doubt believes. Of course, one can't argue with that which is inexplicable.
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Perhaps the idea was planted in Dave's head many decades ago, when he was an arrogant high school swimming superstar. I can imagine his frustrated coach coarsely exclaiming "Jesus, Pack!" -- but Dave took it not as an admonition but rather as an acknowledgement.
First there was HEAVENS GATE... now there is SURRO-GATE!
Is Dave preparing to declare himself the Surrogate of Christ?
Most ministers of HWA have behaved as popes, and even as God Himself, forever.
Every minister I had acted as if it's his personal church rather than supposedly God's church. If they were upfront, they would call it the Church of pastor John Smith or similar. My first minister would say in a deep fatherly tone "you're resisting my will" if I disagreed with his "counsel." The tyrannical bastard has no right to control anyone's will other than his own.
Will they declare themselves a surrogate of Christ or as Christ Himself? No! Doing so would break the spell of the delusion they have imposed on most of their members.
Which is why the Bibles man of sin is described as showing himself to be God rather than declaring it.
I was involved with the Radio and then Worldwide Church of God from sometime in 1956 to early 1975. It was presided over by Herbert W. Armstrong, the big kahuna, who kept iron fisted control over those whom we then considered to be weirdos. If these weirdos persisted in their deviations from official doctrine, departed from the official, or HWA initiated or approved conspiracy theories, and in seeing themselves as Biblical characters and taking on titles, they were put out of the church, and at that time no vehicles were available for the disfellowshipped to launch any sort of rebuttal. You just never heard of them again.
My sentence in HWA's cult lasted for what then seemed to be a long time, basically 19 years. Ultimately, I was paroled and pardoned by HWA himself through his Great Disappointment of 1975. Many others did not accept the commutation of their sentences and actually re-upped for additional time. Since HWA is dead, their sentences now include time served in splinter groups which HWA would not even recognize as being his own, and some of the leaders have disfellowhipped one another multiple times as being rebellious and unfit to lead. If we look at the history of David Pack, his RCG has now gone on for much longer than 19 years. And, during this time, he has not had an HWA to reign him in, control him, and to keep him from going off the rails. He has squeezed his members mercilessly financialy, has imposed the hardest lined policies from original WCG on them, and has led them through a litany of continued failures in his predictions, underscoring these with new proclamations regarding his identity, titles, his roles, and his commission.
The tools of new technology have given the disfellowshipped a voice to combat injustice, but somehow these so-called churches have found ways to combat what is exposed, and to continue to exist and impose chaos on the lives of their members. I believe that the root problem is that members were trained to accept exploitation at the hands of "God's true church" from its inception. It was part of HWA's schtick, and the penalty for refusal was the Tribulation. Members claim to be loyal to a philosophy, and not to a man, but then they willingly accept deviations by their man from that philosophy, which ends up yielding the same result as would loyalty to a man. We live in times when there is no safe haven within any of the Armstrong-based groups, unless you are in the club which consists of the higher ups who control and execute the exploitation.
If only members could come to realize that it is the very doctrinal and policy approach which causes this farce, this personal tribulation, they might reexamine what they are doing, and continue to seek truth. The problem lies in the fact that they believe they have arrived at ultimate truth, a truth that is above correction, and they gladly accept abuse from those who teach it, assuming that it is the only way of interpreting the Bible. Throughout its past, Armstrongism has been described as being the "bride of Christ". Somehow, I don't believe Jesus would gaslight, exploit, coerce, and abuse His wife in these ways. It makes no sense at all.
Hey! The Adventures of Tom Terrific with Mighty Manfred the Wonderdog are on You Tube! I would recommend that RCG members watch these rather than attend RCG sabbath services. I mean, they've got to be more edifying than anything David Pack has to say!
Dave is the new pope.
I don't believe Jesus would gaslight, exploit, coerce, and abuse His wife in these ways. It makes no sense at all.
That's because you don't know Jesus. Few people do. It's all gaslighting.
"One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back". ~Carl Sagan
HWA said he was "the one crying in the wilderness". Flurry said he was "that prophet". Both claims originate in mental illness.
HWA was a very talented marketer/ salesman.they have all copied his money making model. They are fake but the people are gullible.
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