Tuesday, February 13, 2024

COGWA: Says "we have reached a crisis in ministerial leadership"

 

COGWA likes to pride itself as the best of the COG movements as they try to fly under the radar most of them. The problem is, that its higher-up leadership is from the same corrupt group that apostatized from the mother church when they knew they were getting terminated or fired in 1995 and needed to maintain their income level and thus helped start the United Church of God. Then a few years later they pitched another hissyfit in another direct act of rebellion against Church government and took a huge percentage of UCG ministers and members with them to form Church of God a Worldwide Ass.

Here we are now, close to 30 years since the main apostasy, and all of those initial loyal ministers and elders are aging out and or dying off. The younger men being raised up have no real theological education other than church-produced books and articles. Hardly any of them have a real degree in theology outside the COG empire. 

They have now reached a crisis in that they have fewer and fewer men to serve and no way to educate them in theology, real counseling skills, or biblical hermeneutics and eschatology.

It is our view that outside the U.S., we have reached a crisis in ministerial leadership. Our church attendance is around 12,000, and it is divided evenly between the U.S. and areas outside the U.S. But when it comes to ministerial leadership, 75 percent of all elders reside in the U.S., and 25 percent reside outside the U.S. That means 25 percent of our ministers are caring for 50 percent of our members. This has become increasingly more difficult in the past several years with the deaths of four pastors, three of whom served outside the United States. The three international pastors were Manuel Quijano, from Peru, who died in June 2017; Norman Julag-ay, from the Philippines, who died in February 2018; and Eriz Dizon, also from the Philippines, who died suddenly the day after Pentecost in 2022. The fourth pastor, who worked in the U.S., was Todd Carey, who died in May 2017. Replacing these men was a major challenge for the Church.

Not only that, but COGWA is having to deal with over 50% of their ministers not trained by an Ambassador education (if that were actually worth something when it comes to theology), they now need to resort to little mini sessions in trying to educate their leadership.

The purpose of the PDP (Pastoral Development Program) is to upgrade the education and development of our current pastors. To date, we have 45 pastors and associate pastors in the U.S. Along with their wives, they will come to the McKinney office for four days of training during 2024. With almost half of our pastors having no Ambassador College training, we believe that these classes are essential for improving our service to the brethren. Our current plan is to hold three sessions of these classes in March, June and July respectively. Each session will consist of approximately 30 ministers and wives.

Not that the so-called training from Ambassador College was a legitimate thorough training in the Bible, but at least those that took classes there had some exposure to the Bible, even though most of it was still insular coming out of booklets and/or sermons by Herbert Armstrong and a few other so-called evangelists. 

We are witnessing the death knells of Armstrongism in its slow painful downward spiral.

17 comments:

Cognac Willie said...

cogwa is the epitome of the cogs masquerading as sheep in wolves clothing. While the hypocrisy and self-righteousness of many cog leaders are blatantly apparent, cogwa lies low in a sinister way. Judgmental and condemning attitudes from the self-righteous hirelings are as rampant in cogwa as in other cogs, but just more carefully concealed. cogwa is a splinter founded on lies and slander more than anything biblical, harshly ruled by the cronyism (and for the financial support of) the good ole boy's country clubbers. It is a whited sepulcher to beware of.

Spiritual inbreeding and indoctrination from the AC and WCG years have seemingly produced a limited genetic pool in the cogs, no matter what their differences, as each claims either directly or by inference to be the only true cog.

The elitist cogwads only care about their income and retirements, and by flying below the radar escape detection when in reality they are one of the most abusive, heartless and non-caring cogs on the manipulative market.

Anonymous said...

So tell me.....how are these people going to take this much time off from work and still retain a job? Three sessions of 4 days each, plus the Feast of Tabernacles, plus the other high days, plus Winter Family Weekend, plus a day off here and there just to attend to the business of life......that's a lot of time off from work. How are these people going to take so much leave from their day jobs to attend these activities?

Anonymous said...

Cogwa is a relatively young and financially secure church. About 1/3 or less of the field ministry not on a cogwa board have attended Ambassador Collage and are over 70. Almost none of the ministry ever attended or knew any church other than Worldwide and its splinters yet weekly they claim to know the teachings and heart of these churches outside of cogwa. Frankly, when you attend cogwa you hear poor logic, strawman arguments, and hubris. But, almost nothing of the redemption we have in Christ.

Well Duh! said...

And, they're just realizing this for the first time now???

Anonymous said...

Well said the COGwa was founded on lies. When the spilt was happening, I called a fellow Chicago church softball buddy Mike Hanisko to try to understand to need to split. He repeated the basic lie that United was going liberal and Protestant. A blatant and totally untrue lie to used as the need to separate. The real reason was the refusal of the rational ministers at headquarters to challenge the COGwa crowd unauthorized purchase of a million dollar property near denton Texas for the purpose to build a “ Pasadena” replica campus which would have been a waste of limited resources. Mike was a excellent speaker but in the end lack Christ like moral courage

Anonymous said...

Anonymous at 9:35 AM said...“When the spilt was happening, I called a fellow Chicago church softball buddy Mike Hanisko to try to understand to need to split. He repeated the basic lie that United was going liberal and Protestant. A blatant and totally untrue lie to used as the need to separate.”

Let me correct it: “The UCG had already gone liberal and godless.”

Anonymous said...

We can always count on the COGWA troll (@10:38) showing up.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous at 1:27 PM said...“We can always count on the COGWA troll (@10:38) showing up.”


Since when does telling the PLAIN TRUTH make anyone a troll?

Feel free to try going to the UCG if you want to.

Anonymous said...

Mike Hanisko? Isn't he the one who called the police on his own members who were trying to break into his congregation?

YOU are the "police" Mr. Hanisko, if you call yourself a minister of Jesus Christ.

Anonymous said...

Give one example how United went liberal! The false accusations are never backed up with facts

Anonymous said...

Anonymous at 1:08 PM said...“Give one example how United went liberal! The false accusations are never backed up with facts”


Do the “acid test.” Actually go to the UCG for a while and find out what sort of people go to the UCG and how they really behave.

Then, stop writing ignorant nonsense about “false accusations.”

Blued Bloodz said...

What if Mr. Hanisko was trying to keep out any T. Ratzmann copycatzs

or to prevent what happened at J. Osteen's

Anonymous said...

Nice retort troll, you literally confirmed @1:08’s post.

Anonymous said...

1:08 PM and 4:11 PM,

Enough with the ignorant comments!

Go ahead and learn the hard way!!

Get thee hence to a UCG congregation!!!

Anonymous said...

@9:00

Those who choose to do so will.

Now, if you would please refrain from any further commentary until such time as you are willing to provide specific examples instead of the just relying on name calling and unsupported broad-brush accusations, especially about its membership. Providing proof resides with the accuser, not the accused. At least most anti-COG posters on this site, which is an anti-COG website, offer historical references and make arguments for the positions they hold. You offer neither. Your comments carry no weight nor offer any value to the conversation.

Anonymous said...

9:45 AM,

Less ignorant talk! More UCG attendance!! Get moving!!!

Anonymous said...

Hurry up! Chop chop!!