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For decades, the old Worldwide Church of God headquarters in Pasadena was graced by these Elijahs showing up at the Hall of Administration, thumping their emasculated chests while proclaiming how utterly magnificent they were and that they had some earth-shattering message for either Herbert Armstrong or Joseph Tkach Sr. Then, once they were rightfully ignored like the pests they were, they'd heroically plant themselves-as martyrs for the truth- on the sidewalk out front with their genius-level idiotic picket signs, boldly declaring that the end was nigh—because nothing says "divine prophet" like loitering with a Sharpie-scrawled cardboard masterpiece.
When the Worldwide Church of God finally imploded in the late '90s, various self-appointed Elijahs swooped in to snatch up the mantle and launch their shiny new splinter cults, each one somehow managing to out-crazy the last in a race to the bottom of sanity. And oh, that brings us to our beloved resident crackpot. Never one to bother with an original thought (why innovate when you can imitate?), Crackpot Bob has piled on so many mantles that even the ancient prophets are probably scratching their heads in heaven, wondering who this walking identity crisis thinks he's representing anymore.
But this time around, though—bless his heart—Crackpot Bob couldn't even charm many Caucasians into joining his grand cause. His Feast sites in the Caucasian nations boast crowds so massive you could count every single attendee on both hands... and still have fingers left over for waving goodbye to his delusions.
Armstrongism is just overflowing with these self-appointed Elijahs because, wouldn't you know it, there are still plenty of wide-eyed fools out there convinced that Herbert's "work" was never quite finished, and now it's up to them—yes, them!—to heroically complete it. How noble.
I asked AI why Crackpot Bob thinks he's a prophet, and it came back with this:
I asked AI why Crackpot Bob thinks he's a prophet, and it came back with this:
He left LCG in December 2012 due to what he describes as doctrinal errors, integrity issues, and a lack of love for the truth among its leadership. Thiel positions himself as a prophet in the end times, claiming to fulfill biblical roles such as those described in Acts 2:17-18 (God pouring out His Spirit leading to prophecies) and as a watchman delivering warnings about end-time events. He asserts that he is not self-appointed but was divinely anointed and confirmed through events, dreams, and statements from former LCG leaders.
Crackpot Bob posted two Feast sermons by two of his deluded men where they praised him as Elijah and that if you believe the Bible, you have to believe that Crackpot Bob is Elijah.
John Kaht refers to the Bible and basically states, “You have to decide if you will believe the Bible–if so, will you do what it says?” Jesus did what was to happen according to the scriptures. Jesus really rose from the dead and is really still alive. Truth is truth. We Christians are to believe the truth and it does not matter what the rest of the world does not. Christians are to rightly divide the word of truth.
Where is Elijah in 2025?
Louis Rubin mentions various views on whether or not there is to be a future Elijah. He explains that many think it was the late Herbert W. Armstrong. He stated that it will not be the original Elijah who worked in the 9th century BCE. Louis Rubin listed various heretical views on the end time Elijah. He stated that Elisha received a double-portion of God’s spirit. He explained that Jesus’ words in Matthew 17:11 are a prophecy for an end time Elijah who would restore all things. He listed 18 truths that Herbert W. Armstrong restored. He asked if anything had been restored in the 21st century and then listed over 20 truths that have been restored in the Continuing Church of God. He speculated about a candidate to be the end time Elijah who is alive now.
It is not only those of us here that mock Crackpot Bob and his many mantles, Church of God Perspective has also roasted Crackpot Bob:
You really have to wonder when Bob Thiel will quit lying.
COGWriter Bob Thiel likes to twist and take other people’s and organization’s out of context, so let’s be clear about what the COGWA article, “False Prophets“, actually says.
First of all, and foremost, it defines what a prophet is, something Bob Thiel continually muddies up:
A prophet is thus someone who speaks for another, foresees the future or proclaims a message.
An important function of a true prophet is found in a statement from God to the ancient Israelites through Moses…
This is a very important point! A prophet speaks for someone else. They deliver a message for someone else. IOW, God speaks to a prophet in dreams or visions (S. Nu 12:5-7) to give a message for an individual, group, nation or the entire world.
This means that the prophet might dream a dream to deliver a message to someone else. Ordinarily, this is a warning message.
It is also important to note that the dream isn’t about the prophet himself/herself. Dreams prove nothing without results.
Bob Thiel has yet to deliver a real message to anyone, except supposedly about himself. Obviously, this is a narcissistic view of how God speaks to His people. Bob Thiel has yet to speak a message, declare it a message from God and then have it come to pass!
COG Perspective continues with this:
Here are the “Four Tests” COGWA wrote about with my rebuttal to COGWriter Bob Thiel’s self-aggrandizing article:
1. Does the conduct of the prophet reflect godly character?
Absolutely not! COGWriter Bob Thiel’s arrogance in rebelling against his former organization (after praising them so long in public, BTW) is reminiscent of Satan’s rebellion against God. His finger-pointing and judgmentalism towards others proves he is the quintessential Laodicean (the people judge — others, that is).
2. Do the predictions of the prophet come true?
What predictions? All Thiel does is rehash a mix of biblical prophecies intermingled with pagan prophecies to create an abomination of predictions. Yet, where is the “thus saith the Lord…”? To be a prophet, you have to prophesy, and he has yet to do so.
3. Are the words of the prophet consistent with Scripture?
No. His organization, as well as his parent group LCG, add all sorts of traditions of men to their beliefs, including but not exhaustively forms of government (idolatry of men), criticisms of observing the anniversary of one’s birth, laxity on the sanctity of marriage, church eras, and more.
Worse, he includes many pagan and un-Christian prophecies as part of his message. A true prophet of God would not need to do this to the extent he engages in it.
Essentially, his emphasis upon being a “Philadelphian remnant”, a self-contradiction that a school child can see, means he is preaching a different message, a different gospel, than the NT does.
For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit [such as an attitude of judgmentalism], which ye have not received, or another gospel [such as the message of being “Philadelphian” rather than a message of what Christ will do when He returns], which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
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12 But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.2Co 11:4,12-15
4. Do the people benefit spiritually from the prophet’s ministry?
No. The only benefit is Bob Thiel’s enrichment and supposed elevation of status. The people he leads will be lead into the wilderness of false teaching and idolatry that characterizes so many that Satan has grabbed ahold of before they could see the truth (Cf. Lk 8:5, 11-12).
Simply put, too many church organizations take on titles of prophet, apostle and even sillier terms jerked out of context from the Bible in order to entice you and I and anyone else who will listen to follow them rather than God.
The Continuing Church of God joins the ranks of the Philadelphia Church of God, Church of God — Preparing for the Kingdom of God and Restored Church of God as being part of the synagogue of Satan, claiming they are people of God when they are not (Rev 2:9; 3:9). COGWriter Bob Thiel Fails "Four Tests" of Being a True Prophet
Then the gloves come off:
Bob Thiel wants to pick on anyone and everyone in order to justify his own beliefs and vaunted ego. However, the fact is that he is a liar, he does not care for the truth, or accuracy for that matter, and he constantly compares himself to others.
12 We don’t dare class or compare ourselves with some of the people who advertise themselves. In measuring themselves against each other and comparing themselves with each other, they are simply stupid. 2Co 10:12 (CJB)
Take his “doctor” title. Doctor of what? If I came to you and said I was a doctor and gave medical advice, wouldn’t you assume by my actions I was a doctor of medicine? Likewise, if I went around putting “Dr” on my books, and the books were on religion, would you not assume my doctorate was in theology? And, if those things turned out not to be true, wouldn’t you believe I was a fraud? And, rightly so! [Update: Thiel now claims to have a ThD; see “Doctor” Thiel Responds]
Buried deep within his website is the admission that “I have studied graduate level Early Church History from Fuller Theological Seminary and other schools in and out of the USA, and after a lot of writing, was granted a foreign Th.D. in early Christianity. A doctor of philosophy (Ph.D.) degree was earned from the Union Institute and University (1993) where I studied various biological sciences and research methodologies.”
Not that it matters, which makes it even more curious that he would use such a means to elevate himself. However, his pride in his research is obviously flawed, seeing as he cannot even be bothered to get the name of this website correct. In spite of his being drawn attention to it more than once in the past, he has no interest in telling the truth and does not care if he gets the name right.
Which makes you wonder why anyone would follow such a person who claims to hold the truth dear when they obviously do not. Thiel twists COG current events and the Bible in a similarly deceitful manner.
COG Perspective ends with this:
What is striking is how bold he is in his lies! He reminds me of the child with chocolate all over his face who denies to his mother that he was in the cookie jar. What are his followers, anyhow, if not stupid, then? If they are not, they should prove it and leave! Do not walk! Do not pass go! Run for the hills! Bob Thiel Is Still a Liar and False Prophet
14 comments:
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The search for todays Elijah equals the hunt for Red October or the Loch Ness Monster and Elvis lol. Or the Abominable Snowman. The gold at the end of the rainbow. That elusive Lotto prize. Or the Ark of the Covenant. Noah's Ark anyone? Always searching, always looking and never finding. Lots of pretenders to the title. And yet Jesus Himself clearly, distinctly, in no uncertain terms, let us know who the Elijah mentioned in Malachi was. Its not rocket science folks lol. Sigh....................................
Bob? "Twisting" things again? That word seems to follow him a lot.
So many Elijahs, so little time! How could we possibly go through all of them and pick the right one if there even is a right one? Urim and thummim? When I googled these to verify the correct spelling, I found that apparently they are available at Amazon!
Bob's not unique in trying to exalt himself in the eyes of ACOGs members. Most of my former ministers did the same by using dirty tactics such as narcissistic devaluation, treating members as if they owned them, and behaving as if they are popes with unlimited authority.
The Elijahs' thinking that somebody must restore all things before Christ returns don't understand Acts 3:21 and is proof they are false............
5:42, how does Acts 3:21 deny this fact? Peter affirms that Christ is in heaven waiting for the day when all things will be restored.
Look at Mark 9:12, where the Lord Himself affirmed that a future Elijah is coming (in our day), while acknowledging that one (John) had come already. It's the principle of duality as HWA taught. One comes before His first coming and likewise one comes before His second coming, to get you ready.
And it's not HWA, Thiel or Pack. In fact many of our arrogant members will not acknowledge him at first until they undergo some tribulation to clear their senses. The reason is that we pedants, who lack faith and wisdom, like to nit-pick and compare doctrines and works by our own subjective criteria. (2 Cor 10:12) You think that you know but you don't know.
Even the Corinthian church had disputable messages coming out of its congregation but they were still "the church". (1 Cor 14:26) Likewise, you might not agree with everything about the coming Elijah but that won't mean that he wasn't called to that post.
Bottom line is at some point in time you guys need to grow a pair and just say phuque all these false Elijahs. If they constantly get their prophecies wrong and then try to manipulate you psychologically instead of admitting that neither they, nor the founder of Armstrongism, (HWA) knew the difference between their butt and a hole in the ground, then can you actually trust what they teach you about anything else, like tithing or doctrine? These are not the kinds of people God uses to do His work whether they teach (and hide behind) the sabbath or not! They are the blind leading the blind! What they say is of the same value as what you would glean from reading your horoscope each day. At least most horoscopes are captioned '"for entertainment only"!
John the Baptist and Jesus' births were approximately six months apart. A restoration of "all things" by John was when Jesus was on earth and there will be a future restoration when Jesus returns from heaven but not before He returns.
In my view, it's too late for any Elijah. Not only that, many other denominations and YouTube videos are also teaching that Christ's return is near. Taking a step back, the "Elijah" from the Armstrong world view would have to be the "work."
Yeah, but isn't that a flattering picture of Bob Thiel??? I bet him and his wife got a good laugh out of that one.
The Elijah to come is Yeshua (Acts 3:20-21; Mark 9:11-12) who will prepare the way before the Father comes to the spiritual temple. All these COG wannabe Elijahs are charlatans!
You must get me Doctor Bobby's cellephone nomber!
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3:37, what did John restore? If you say, repentance, you're right but don't you think that's needed today? You're another one of the millions who can't find Elijah in Rev 11:3.
Too late now for any Elijah, 4:37? He's already alive and has been preaching for decades.
10:33, Elijah today is not the Christ. He comes in the power and spirit of the old Elijah.
James at the Painful Truth web site has done some incredibly deep investigation into Bob Thiel's major claims authenticating himself. I would strongly recommend that anyone who has any interest in CCOG immediately visit the Painful Truth about Herbert W. Armstrong, and read and learn!
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