Herbert Armstrong's Son-in-Law Drops the Bomb: "It's True. You Can Believe It."
The Incest Scandal That PCG and the HWA Worshippers Can't Erase
Article is by an ex-PCG member
In the twisted carnival of Armstrongism, where failed prophecies pile up like unpaid tithes and "God's Apostle" Herbert W. Armstrong is still treated like some untouchable saint by the splinter groups, every so often a voice from the past punches through the denial. This time, it's coming straight from the family. Not some bitter ex-member with an axe to grind, but the husband of Armstrong's own daughter Dorothy—Vern Mattson himself.
Back in 2010, a PCG member (yes, one of Gerald Flurry's loyal tithers) picked up the phone and dialed Sun City, Arizona. What followed was a conversation that should have nuked any remaining illusions about the "one true church" founded by a man who allegedly molested his own daughter for years. But of course, in Armstrong-land, facts are just "attacks from Satan" and reality is whatever the current "leader" says it is.
Here's the letter excerpt from that former COG member, left intact as a raw, unfiltered quote:
They found that at this time, Vern Mattson resided in Sun City, AZ., the year being 2010. Upon finding their number, my dad simply called them. Vern Mattson picked up. Dad just told him that he was a member of the Philadelphia Church of God and had been for a few years, raising his children in the Worldwide and in the PCG. Then, he just told him what my mom had heard and could these things be true? And, if they were, our dad's big question was, to Vern Mattson, why didn't someone, somebody in their family come out years ago, and tell the WCG, the truth?
First thing out of Vern Mattson's mouth was that he couldn't believe that there was now an actual college named after Herbert Armstrong in Oklahoma, and why would they do that? My dad's answer was, starting with Gerald Flurry, right on down, they firmly believed that he (Herbert W. Armstrong) was God's man. Whatever, over the years, that the leaders or members have heard or seen, no way would it or could it be believed! He told him, it's who they are, it's their lives, just like it was ours.
It's what our fathers have taught us and on down the line it goes!! My dad said it was pretty quiet on the other end there, for a bit. Then he heard the words, "Well, it's true. You can believe it."
He said he really had no problem talking about it now, because his wife Dottie [Dorothy], had just recently passed. He said it made him angry, sickened them for a long time, because of the thousands of people out there, in the WCG, that really had no idea! He told my dad things that evening, on the phone, that my dad felt responsible to tell me.
Vern Mattson said, over the years, with all that's out there now, on these computers, David Robinson's book, and plenty others written by his top ministers; he said, you got the Ambassador Report, full of documented facts and dates, exposing all the lies, mishandling of money, the incest with his own daughter. When I found out what he had done to my wife when she was just a young girl, you see we raised a daughter too, this was his own daughter, scaring and hurting her like that, over and over again, I was going to kill him!
I won't forget her words, years ago, when she asked me, how could a great and loving God go against Himself like that, by calling a man to raise up His "one and only true Church," a man that would hurt his own daughter like that?
To all the fathers out there who have a daughter, your little girl, how would you answer that?
I can tell you how Herbert Armstrong answered that, because of the last thing Vern Mattson told my dad on the phone that day, something he said, he has never forgotten. His wife, Dottie [Dorothy], told him of an incident that had happened back in the late `30s or so, that he could never ever repeat, but what he could say, was that she was pleading with her father one night, she wanted it to stop. (Herbert Armstrong had her in a hotel room, and her voice was overheard by others, and a person who worked there came knocking on their door, wondering if anything was wrong?) His reply, his answer--the man we so strongly believed in--his answer when my wife, his daughter, his little girl, cried out to him, was: "God gave you to me and it is my job to teach you. This will help you to be a better wife someday."
So there you are. Shocking Words That Herbert Armstrong Told His Daughter Dorothy
There you are, indeed. Straight from the mouth of the man who was married to Dorothy Armstrong Mattson. Not hearsay from some disgruntled employee, but confirmation from the guy who lived with the victim and raised a daughter of his own. Vern Mattson was ready to kill HWA when he found out. Can you blame him?
Think about that for a second! The same Herbert W. Armstrong who screamed about British Israelism, the "lost ten tribes," Saturday-only salvation, and tithing your way into the Kingdom allegedly took his own young daughter into a hotel room and "taught" her in ways that left her pleading for it to stop. When hotel staff heard her distress and knocked, Papa Herbert's pious response was essentially: "God gave her to me. This is for her own good. Future wife training."
How convenient. The Apostle of Incest turns divine calling into a license for familial rape. And this is the guy whose name still graces Herbert W. Armstrong College in Edmond, Oklahoma, where Flurry's crew indoctrinates the next generation of tithe-payers.
Vern Mattson couldn't believe they named a college after the man. Yeah, Vern, join the club. The cognitive dissonance in these groups is thicker than the Ambassador Auditorium's wool carpet. They heard the rumors for decades—David Robinson's book, the Ambassador Report with its documented facts, ex-ministers spilling the beans—and still doubled down: "No way could it be true! He's God's man!"
Meanwhile, Dorothy lived with the trauma. She questioned how a loving God could anoint such a monster to lead "His one and only true Church." Good question, Dottie. The answer, of course, is that He didn't. Armstrong was a charismatic grifter with a god complex, a serial adulterer (by his own admission in some accounts), and, according to his own son-in-law, an incestuous predator who used theology as a grooming tool.
This isn't ancient history to be swept under the "persecution" rug. This is the rotten foundation of the entire Armstrong empire—WCG, PCG, LCG, RCG, CCOG, and every other acronym still peddling the same legalistic poison while ignoring (or outright denying) the founder's personal corruption.
To all the current members and "ministers" still defending HWA: Vern Mattson, the man who married the victim and heard it from her own lips, said "It's true. You can believe it." Your wives, your daughters, your sons—how do you look them in the eye and keep sending in those tithes to prop up the legacy of a man who allegedly violated his own child?
The New Covenant offers real freedom from this garbage. No more idolizing dead false apostles. No more covering up evil with "don't judge God's servant" nonsense. Just Christ, grace, and the truth that sets people free.
Vern Mattson is gone now. Dorothy too. But the testimony remains. The wackiness, the hypocrisy, and the human wreckage of Armstrongism continue to be exposed—one phone call, one letter, one article at a time.
So there you are.
13 comments:
I was blind to what HWA really was until the lid was blown off after Joe sr. introduced salvation by grace back in 1995. It seemed that it was ok to read the Ambasador report and books written by ex-ministers that expose HWA and his phony agenda for what it was. Not long after I left the WCG even though I accepted Joe sr. changes fully. I wanted no part in a church headed by such a horrible scam artist even though he was long deceased and was succeded by someone who made positive doctrinal changes. My question is, has Joe sr., Joe jr. or the present leader of the GCI church ever admitted publicly that the HWA incest story was true or are the still to this day ignoring it and covering it up?
It would seem to me that it would have been to Joe sr. advantage to expose HWA for what he was and be entirely honest to the church when he announced the doctrinal changes in 1995. He may have convinced more people to accept his doctrinal changes.
The incest was a matter of public record as of Ramona's divorce proceedings against HWA, but many insiders know of it many years before that. If Joe Sr. admitted to HWA's incest, he would in effect be admitting that he had known and stayed silent about it for more than a decade, which would only have made things worse for him and his changes.
Some ex‑members contacted Vern Mattson, Herbert Armstrong’s son‑in‑law, who also confirmed the allegation.
However, there seems to be a slight error in the note because Mattson was not Dorothy’s husband. Dorothy was apparently married to aGeorge Meeker, and Meeker confirmed the allegation privately to former WCG ministers and ex‑members who personally knew the Meekers.
His confirmation circulated in the late 1970s and early 1980s, after Dorothy’s death (that is, he spoke of it sometime between 1977 and the early ’80s), and he explained why she never wished the matter to be made public.
Mattson’s confirmation came decades later, in 2010, as a family insider.
So we actually have two individuals - Meeker and Mattson - who confirmed the incest allegation.
It would seem that Dorothy herself and her husband during her lifetime, George Meeker never publicly spoke out, because Herbert was paying her an annual stipend, and understandably she would not have wanted to air such matters to the world. But her husband had no such qualms after her passing, nor after the death of the man he regarded as a “fake apostle.”
It seems the monthly stipend was about $200 a month for many years. While that amount may seem small today, in the late 1940s and 1950s it represented the equivalent of roughly $2,500–$3,000 per month in modern terms — a substantial sum for a woman with limited employment options and no desire to expose deeply personal trauma to the world.
The payments appear to have continued for the rest of her life and ceased upon her death in 1977, at the young age of 50. Only then did her husband feel free to speak openly, no longer constrained by Dorothy’s desire for privacy or by Armstrong’s financial influence. After her passing, her husband publicly rejected Armstrong’s self‑appointed apostolic status and confirmed the allegation that Dorothy herself had never wished to make public.
This is my understanding, but I accept of course if some aspects I have not recounted perfectly.
Having heard this story, we don’t need to be surprised. Armstrong from the very beginning was a selfish one‑man band driven by his ego and ambition, twisting scripture any way he desired to achieve his devious purpose of building a so‑called “one true church,” and later crowning himself a fake apostle. In plain terms , a con man.
The entire COG spectrum is founded on false teachings, as its leader, HWA, was nothing but a snake oil salesman!
You are totally correct there Cheers and best to you
@ 11:08: You got some bogus information, Dude! I'd suggest you first read the Autobiography of Herbert W. Armstrong to learn that Dorothy was indeed married to Vern C. Mattson. Everybody knows that!
Next, I'd advise you to go to the Painful Truth Website and use the search box to learn that George Meeker was a minister in the WCG. He made the Hall of Shame for some reason over there.
If you still don't believe me, call the COGawa and ask to speak with George's son Joel Meeker, who is a minister there. Ask him if Dorothy is his mommy, and if his Daddy exposed the incest.
This is another example of how the history of the WCG is becoming fractured by people who don't do proper research, and start up rumors that get repeated. If you feel the need to post stuff around here, make sure it is accurate and real. We go after Armstrongism, but in so doing, we do care about the facts!
HWA was a dirty rotten sinner. Totally disgusting. How does that change anything in the Bible?
Yes there are a lot of people that think Herbert hung the moon. I think they actually worship him.
Those in The Church are only interested in what God instructs. The Bible is quite clear on our responsibilities toward God.
God bless you 11:08 for clarifying the matter. Makes much more sense as you elaborated.
For me there’s so many issues now re HWA’s behavior (eg false predictions, incest, autocracy, etc) and his teachings (eg tithing money, Wed crucifixion & Sat resurrection, BI, FOT holidays, etc) I am starting to feel I have less in common each day with the very few people with an ACOG background I had been associating with until now. It’s both a blessing and a curse in the sense that I’m so blessed that God is mercifully opening my eyes to His liberating Truth but at the same time I’m feeling alone and rejected since these people with whom I once shared a belief system want to keep their Armstrongist traditions, even though it’s scripturally unsupported—and ironic since they have pointed the finger at Catholics and Protestants for their scripturally unsupported traditions. I guess like the preacher said it with wisdom comes sorrow.
"However, there seems to be a slight error in the note because Mattson was not Dorothy’s husband. Dorothy was apparently married to a George Meeker"
Bizarre. The testimony can't even get the name of the husband right. Why should we believe any of it?
Personally, I have never believed the incest stories. There are lots of reasons why people feel deep dislike for HWA. I think the stories are a product of that vitriol. Who in this conflict can be trusted? Ask some person who never liked HWA what he/she thinks of HWA? What did you think would happen?
Scout
Nothing can break their love and dedication from Armstrong, It would have to die out. It's the same as Trump saying I can shoot a person and they will still vote for me. Well its the same cult of personality. The actual two witnesses can be on the scene, but the cogs wouldn't recognize them due to armstrongism.
I wonder if the leadership of the UCG has been open about HWA being a pervert and a scam artist. I don't know because I am not a member of the UCG.
But my guess is they have never addressed the HWA issues.
Structures built on a false foundation are doomed to fall, and it was only thru a stalinist system of control did Worldwide survive as long as it did. It was pretty well known that that HWA's sex perversions were true and I guess too many ministers were too concerned with their own paycheck or their own spin off to admit to the truth. HWA damaged a lot of lives and Flurry is continuing this tragic legacy
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