Andrew N. Dugger & Clarence O. Dodd had no way of imagining what a horrendous shitstorm they would produce when they named Herbert Armstrong as one of the Seventy in November of 1933. Armstrong was already filled with rebellion at that point and was actively working to separate himself from Andrew Dugger's movement by preaching doctrines and beliefs that Dugger and others did not agree with. Dugger and Dodd had no way of knowing that their acceptance of Armstrong and his ordination would produce well over 450 different splinter groups that in no way ever resembled the original COG movement from the 1930s or even anything else to this day. Rebellion and corruption have been the name of the game in Armstrongism for close to ninety years now. What a sad and pathetic legacy.
...the original Elijah, when he was the top ecclesiastical authority, Elijah did a variety of miracles, such as stopping rain (1 Kings 17:1), multiplying flour and oil (1 Kings 17:13-16), getting a dry passage over a river, (2 Kings 2:7-8), and calling fire down from heaven (2 Kings 1:10-12).
As if Bwana Bob Mzungu will EVER do this! It's hilarious to imagine it with his arms flaming and hands flapping as he tries to call fire down from heaven. Even the demons hiding in the background would be busting a gut over this scenario!
Elijah, however, over time seemed to have lost the mental/emotional ability to properly lead (cf. 1 Kings 19:13-18). God later took him and replaced him with Elisha as the top ecclesiastical authority. Elisha then received a “double-portion” (two-portion literally) of the gift that God had given Elijah:
9 And so it was, when they had crossed over, that Elijah said to Elisha, “Ask! What may I do for you, before I am taken away from you?”Elisha said, “Please let a double portion of your spirit be upon me.”10 So he said, “You have asked a hard thing. Nevertheless, if you see me when I am taken from you, it shall be so for you; but if not, it shall not be so.” 11 Then it happened, as they continued on and talked, that suddenly a chariot of fire appeared with horses of fire, and separated the two of them; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.12 And Elisha saw it, and he cried out, “My father, my father, the chariot of Israel and its horsemen!” So he saw him no more. And he took hold of his own clothes and tore them into two pieces. 13 He also took up the mantle of Elijah that had fallen from him, and went back and stood by the bank of the Jordan. (2 Kings 2:9-13)
The recipient of the double-portion promise, Elisha, was a type of Elijah. Elisha picked up the mantle of Elijah (2 Kings 2:13) which God wanted him to have (1 Kings 19:16-19), did a similar miraculous dry river crossing (2 Kings 2:13-14), also did other miracles (2 Kings 4:30-35; 2 Kings 10:5-14; 2 Kings 6:16-18), as he replaced Elijah as God’s top ecclesiastical authority on earth (cf. 1 Kings 19:16).
Ah, yes! That infamous "double portion" and the proof-texting involved to transfer this over to the 21st century to a specific self-appointed man-child. Elijah and Elisha were men of extraordinary power and speaking ability who could snap their fingers and miracles happened. Yet today's self-appointed turd in no manner even compares as he is boring as hell and is the clown face of the Church of God movement in 2023.
The Great Bwana Bob Mzungu continues on with trying to prove his legitimacy:
A minister of the Living Church of God prayed and anointed Bob Thiel for a ‘double portion’ of God’s Spirit back in late 2011 and told him that was reminiscent of what happened to Elisha. He also confirmed that God answered that prayer when we met in November 2019.
And has since denied that it was never his intention for Bwana Bob to pervert that prayer into a reason to start a new splinter group and lie about how significant the blessing was.
Anyway, on with the shitshow:
Interestingly, for several years after Elisha picked up the mantle that Elijah dropped, Elijah was still alive. While many outside of the Church of God seem to doubt this, the following passage confirms that Elijah was still alive later, even though the main work/mantle had shifted to Elisha:
5 Jehoram was thirty-two years old when he became king, and he reigned eight years in Jerusalem…12 And a letter came to him from Elijah the prophet, saying,Thus says the Lord God of your father David:Because you have not walked in the ways of Jehoshaphat your father, or in the ways of Asa king of Judah, 13 but have walked in the way of the kings of Israel, and have made Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem to play the harlot like the harlotry of the house of Ahab, and also have killed your brothers, those of your father’s household, who were better than yourself, 14 behold, the Lord will strike your people with a serious affliction — your children, your wives, and all your possessions; 15 and you will become very sick with a disease of your intestines, until your intestines come out by reason of the sickness, day by day. (2 Chronicles 21:5, 12-15)
The Bible, however, teaches that a voice from the wilderness would come again:
3 The voice of one crying in the wilderness: “Prepare the way of the Lord; Make straight in the desert A highway for our God. (Isaiah 40:3)
John the Baptist said that he was fulfilling this (though he did not indicate he would be the only one to do so):
19 Now this is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, “Who are you?”…
23 He said: “I am ‘The voice of one crying in the wilderness:’ Make straight the way of the Lord,”‘ as the prophet Isaiah said.” (John 1:19,23)
God, Jesus, the Bible, Elijah, Herbert Armstrong, Garner Ted, Rod Meredith, Andrew Dugger, Clarence Dodd, COG Stanberry, COG7, and the entire Armstrongite Church of God movement know for a fact that Bwana Bob Mzungu Thiel is NOT Elisha or even Elijah. He is a liar when he says so.
Never fear though, the Great Bwana Bob Mzungu goes on to claim that Jesus himself foretold that the second coming of Elijah would be in Bob's body.
But Jesus told of another Elijah to come after He left:
11 Jesus answered and said to them, “Indeed, Elijah is coming first and will restore all things.” (Matthew 17:11)
The Church of God position has been that someone would come in the spirit and power of Elijah to “restore all things” and possibly be one of the two witnesses. While the late Herbert W. Armstrong (died in January 1986) sometimes indicated that he fulfilled that role he told people, that I have personally spoken with, that there could be another other than he. Those with a WCG background might find the following quote from Herbert W. Armstrong of some assistance here as he wrote:
Those called into the Church were called not merely for salvation and eternal life, but to learn the way of God’s government and develop the divine character during this mortal life in the Church age…Also Malachi 4:5-6 pictures the Elijah to come at the very end of the Church age (Mystery of the Ages. 1985, pp. 201, 349).
So when is this "church age" supposed to come?
And when was the “Church age” supposed to end according to Herbert Armstrong’s old church? Notice:
God has set before us an open door and no MAN can shut it. God can shut it, and He will when the work is finished and the Philadelphia Church goes to a place of safety. …The Laodicean Church is not going to be worthy to escape to a place of safety. When it is too late, they will find that the Church of Philadelphia has gone to safety (What Is the “LAODICEAN CHURCH”? Good News August 1959 Vol. VIII, Number 8).
Now since the Church age has not ended, and the Day of the Lord has not yet come, then it follows that Elijah was to come on the scene publicly after this was written. His restoring of “all things” means that he is to be restoring information that the true Church of God once understood, but later must have lost or misunderstood.
Well, we know for a fact, Herbert Armstrogn never restored all things and Bwana Bob Mzungu has certainly not done so nor will ever do so. That is an indisputable fact!
Those of the true and genuine Philadelphian remnant will pay much attention to the voice of the true final Elijah. Those who do not will not fare as well as they could (cf. Revelation 12:14-17).
We in the Continuing Church of God have also a more sure word of prophecy; “whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts” (2 Peter 1:19, KJV).”
Um...NO, you do NOT! Since Bwana Bob Mzungu is already proven to be a prophetic liar and failure, the above verse in no manner refers to him or his minuscule movement.
Why would any New Covenant believer ever put their faith in the hands of reincarnated Old Covenant "prophet" bouncing around in the COG movement is beyond reasoning? No New Covenant follower of Christ would even be part of these Armstrongite splinter groups that are filled with so much heresy and outright lies.
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The brainwash is heavy. Heavy heavy burdens laid on the gullible.
I remember maybe it was in Clarion Call when David Pack was like, “How could I not think these prophecies applied to me?”
Each of the COG leaders is under a strong delusion thinking all these prophecies apply to them. They all learned it from Herb Your Enthusiasm and are the great or not so great imitators. There is nothing new under the COG sun which has almost set.
Who reads magazines, booklets, or websites in the age of TikTok? What fear mongering from the pulpit can match nightly Fox News?
The God of this age is a bankrupt, hyperbolic, self aggrandizing, private plane flying orange cheeto. And the fundies COG and otherwise love him. I mean the only difference between Herb and Trump is the spray tan.
ANON at 1:12 wrote:
The God of this age is a bankrupt, hyperbolic, self aggrandizing, private plane flying orange cheeto. And the fundies COG and otherwise love him. I mean the only difference between Herb and Trump is the spray tan.
MY COMMENT:
Choose your poison. The alternative is a senile ,sleepy, bumbling idiot, with a sociopathic son, who likes to sniff women's hair. Sad times!
Exactly, Tonto. The honorable thing for both men would be to commit hara kiri and get out of the way so that we could choose from honorable, balanced, serious statesmen to be president. If it's Biden vs Trump in 2024, we're screwed either way.
So far as Lil' 'Lijah goes, cue Elton's "Tiny Dancer".
The news is nothing but lies. So is religion. So is everything. Religion is just politics and marketing. That's why Herb was good at it.
"The news is nothing but lies. So is religion. So is everything. Religion is just politics and marketing."
If everything is a lie then what you just wrote is a lie. Why waste our time lying?
I just read a post on twitter by Ken Ham. It appears to me that it is a perfect description of the websites like this one that is constantly trying to destroy anything to do with the WCG and the Bible. See what you think.
“ Throughout history, whenever we witness a great work of God, our adversary, the devil, “the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience” (Ephesians 2:2), aggressively tries to undo this work.” — Ken Ham
He also comments about those who always point out the faults of famous Christians who made an impact on the world, all for the purpose of trying to destroy their legacy, and obliterating their biblical teachings.
So, this site continues in the tradition of the “sons of disobedience.” You can deny it, but the old slogan “what YOU are speaks so loudly I can’t hear what you are saying!” Speaks volumes, don’t cha think?
How is this web site destroying the church when all it does is point out the lies and absurdities that the current COG leadership are saying and doing? If they would shut their mouths and practice real Christianity there would be nothing to report by anyone here. The problem is that we have liars and sick leaders doing and saying absurd things.
You can't possibly compare Armstrongism, (a toxic cult) and our comments warning people about the evils of it, to what people are doing to destroy real Christianity!
No worries. AI is on the way, and will finally be the ultimate solution to Armstrongism.
Nearly everything is lies. Kind of like people who know what I meant but pretend they didn't.
1:02 wrote:
“ The problem is that we have liars and sick leaders doing and saying absurd things.”
The problem is the same thing goes on here.
And, none of the grumps here offer any good alternatives to what you are complaining about, except doing the same thing you accuse others in the cog groups of doing. And your personal examples are no better than those you attack. “Sons of disobedience “ is an excellent description of the posters here.
Plus, inadvertently you give those you gripe about more publicity than they deserve. How someone here PLEASE stand up and give us an example of your perfect way of living, and how you are making a wonderful impact on society around you.
There is nothing here worth imitating and deep inside most of you know it. Instead, it’s like a pack of wolves attacking a lone wounded animal that can’t fight back because they are cowards at heart, and get a thrill out of accusing others. Somebody stand up and tell us all your secret sins, then complain about someone else. I bet there is not one perfect sinless person here. Let the one without sin cast the first stone.
4:42. Please send me your address so I can send you $14.00 for a box of Midol. You need a pill really bad!
4:42, I have no idea what bubble in which you might be living, but I have a huge positive impact on my industry here in my state. I'm far from perfect, but everyone knows me and has positive stories to share. Throughout my career, I've attempted to correct all of the bad things taught to me by Armstrongism, and to live a life based on the Golden Rule. I don't know where you might have gotten the idea that we're all a bunch of Satanic losers here, but you're wrong, Dude! It's just that your philosophy doesn't allow for the possibility that people who left your cult actually are sincere, and try to do good for all! Somebody taught you that when you leave the church you get a demon or become a homosexual, and you fell for it!
5:05 is that the best you’ve got?
Besides, I don’t take drugs and medications. Keeps the mind clear that way, and the body healthy.
I see it’s ok to complain about others, but criticism can’t be handled by the grumps here. They can only dish it out.
But, thanks for the offer anyway.
"There is nothing here worth imitating and deep inside most of you know it. Instead, it’s like a pack of wolves attacking a lone wounded animal that can’t fight back because they are cowards at heart, and get a thrill out of accusing others."
ROTFLMAO!!!
Dr Bob, please get some help before it's too late!
4.42 pm, your's the "whataboutism" pseudo logic fallacy. The reference point should be God's laws rather than other people's shortcomings. The wolves are the ministers and elders who lord it over their flock rather than posters on some blog, and it's these church leaders who God holds to a higher standard and a stricter judgement.
There's thousands of ACOGs present and former members who have life long scars from being verbally brutalized by Herb ministers, and yet all you do is blame their victims. Nice!
from GG to GG; from GG Rupert to GG (Golden Gloves) Meredith:
then the transference of the Mantle from Meredith to Thiele:
Golden Gloves was none too pleased to learn of this:
which leads to the final sign: GG's shoeprint on RT's ass!
... you give those you gripe about more publicity than they deserve.
Teamwork.
NO2HWA sicko you do realise the OT prophets shall live again in the resurrection.. so steady on the vile insults.
Don't you ever get bored with all the spewing of hatred ??????
Spewing of hatred??? HWA hated America, and relished the thoughts of Germans and their meathooks punishing all who would not listen to him! We got shown movies of the holocaust and concentration camps as SEP campers in Texas, and films of Hitler and the Third Reich and simulated nuclear attacks on the US at AC! Kids were beaten within an inch of their lives by parents whenever they did something which disrupted the parents' slavish Armstrongite rituals. The Plain Truth gleefully reveled in every famine, war, natural disaster, race riot, disease epidemic, or record breaking weather event.
Why are we haters for exposing such purveyors of abominably negative hysteria? The world would be a better place without such flamers. Still, I don't hate them. I would prefer to see their heads in a better place, though, their message repented of and stamped out.
No worries. We've made a sizable dent with the tools available to us on the internet, but AI will most likely provide the final solution to Armstrongism. Yeah, I get it. Kind of Big Brotherish, but reality is that the enemy of my enemy is my friend! Maybe the next phase for humanity will be like Gene Roddenberry's original "Star Trek". Wouldn't that be nice?
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