Monday, April 7, 2025

The Yamnaya: Armstrongism in Contention with Archaeology

A Yamnaya Woman 

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The Yamnaya
Armstrongism in Contention with Archaeology


By Scout


We come on the ship they call The Mayflower

We come on the ship that sailed the moon

We come in the age's most uncertain hours

And sing an American tune 

Paul Simon, “American Tune”

 


I am a fan of the Old West. My generation, I guess. I thought Lonesome Dove, the epic cattle drive, was an outstanding mini-series. Woodrow Call and Augustus McRae are among the greats. One of my grandfathers had been a cowboy when he was young, until he took to the oil field and became a driller. He wore Western clothing all of his life. He was taciturn and austere and could tell you stories about the hard life on the range. But my immediate family was a city family and riding the plains was always to me just a dream. Only recently did I discover that the Western Europeans as a whole have an ancient history of horses and herds. They are descended from an ancient people called the Yamnaya who were “cowboys” who rode the Pontic Steppe of Eurasia. Yamnaya, a Russian language name given to them by archaeologists, means “related to pits” because they buried their dead in pits. Who knows what they called themselves in their tongue. But their language was a forerunner, called Indo-European, of the modern Western European languages.

The point of what I am going to write is that the assertions of British-Israelism do not logically or naturally fit into the anthropological history of the British people, descendants of the Yamnaya. And this history is not based on arcane and fallible ancient writings of men who believed in myth but on the hard, verifiable, repeatable science of genetics.

The Flow of Time, the Flow of People

It is common to think that the history of the British people begins with the Celts and Anglo-Saxons but it began much earlier. Genetics provides an audit trail that leads back much further along historic migration pathways. For instance, we can go back to the Yamnaya. The Yamnaya are called by anthropologists Steppe Pastoralists. They lived by herding livestock: cattle, sheep and goats. They were nomadic and rode horses. They worked metal. They had wheeled carts to help them manage their herds. Their range was the Pontic Steppe, an area of dry grasslands in eastern and central Europe. Horses and wagons made this vast plain open to them. They spoke a Proto-Indo-European language. And they were nomads who seemed to have a penchant for migration. The timeline below places them in a chronological context. 

24,000 YA: A mutation from y chromosome haplogroup P occurred giving rise to haplogroup R. It is believed to have arisen 27,000 YA based on the rate of genetic mutation. That rate is theoretical but to verify it, a burial in Siberia near Lake Baikal dated at 24,000 YA contained an early version of haplogroup R – an initial, basal version from which all the subsidiary R subclades are descended. The people who bore this haplogroup are called Ancient North Eurasians. The Tarim Mummies (q.v., Wikipedia) are Ancient North Eurasian. Originally, the Ancient North Eurasians were a dark people but by 17,000 YA they were carrying a mutation for blonde hair. Native Americans are about 30 percent Ancient North Eurasian and are, therefore, related to Western Europeans.

3,000 – 2,600 BC: The Ancient North Eurasians gave rise to the Yamnaya People who were Pastoralists during the Bronze Age and ranged across the Pontic Steppe. The Yamnaya were horsemen and had an economy based on herd animals. Archaeogenetic research indicates that the Yamnaya haplogroup was R-M269. R-M269 is now the most common haplogroup in Western Europe.

3,000 – 2,350 BC: The Yamnaya gave rise, in part, to the Corded Ware people – a people who developed a special kind of pottery. The Corded Ware Culture was a larger tent and included R1a and R1b and various subclades of both. The Corded Ware Culture ranged from the Volga to the Rhine. Genetic studies indicate that they originated from westward migrating Yamnaya.

2,450 – 1800 BC: The Corded Ware people gave rise to the Bell Beaker People who spread throughout Western Europe. They eventually became principally R-M269 as more people migrated in from the East. R-M269 is also denoted by geneticists as R1b1a1b. R1b is the most frequent haplogroup in England at around 67 percent. The Welsh are around 89 percent R1b. Scots are about 73 percent R1b. The Irish are around 82 percent R1b. In some areas of the Iberian Peninsula R1b reaches a frequency of 90 percent.

1800 BC: According to Jewish tradition Abraham lived around this time.

450 AD: Anglo-Saxons invade Britain.

For me, there is a personal dimension to this. One of my very distant genetic relatives, having my identical R1b subclade haplogroup (think of it as a sub-tribe or clan) was found buried near Evergreen House, Longniddry, East Lothian, Scotland. My haplogroup is a subclade of R-M269, the Steppe haplogroup. The grave dates from about 2000 BC and he was a member of the Bronze Age Bell Beaker Culture. He was found in a Cist Grave along with two other individuals. One person was an elderly woman. His matrilineal haplogroup (mtDNA) is H2a1a. This indicates that his mother was also of Yamnaya or Steppe ancestry.

The point of the chronology above is that it shows there is an unbroken line across 24,000 years established through Archaeogenetics that the ancestors of the Celts and Anglo-Saxons originated in Eurasia well before the patriarchs of the Old Testament. The basal R haplogroup that existed 24,000 years ago in Eurasia is the source of the R1b haplogroup that exists in Britain today. The R1b haplogroup of the Celts and Ango-Saxons did not just suddenly appear in the British Isles sometime after the Northern Ten Tribes fell to Assyria around 732 BC.

Modern Nations with Yamnaya Heritage

No modern nation is purely of Yamnaya descent. The modern nations of Western Europe are comprised principally of three peoples: Early Hunter-Gatherers (earliest residents of Western Europe), Anatolian or Neolithic Agriculturalists (First Invasion) and Steppe Pastoralists (Yamnaya, Second Invasion). The names of these three groups vary in the literature. I will refer to these three groups as a triad. There are small traces of other y chromosome haplogroups among Europeans, principally from North Africa and the Middle East. Not all the details of this ancient convergence of peoples have been resolved. But final resolution will not overturn these events but strengthen them with detail. The chart below reflects this heritage triad. It shows Yamnaya or steppe ancestry, color-coded green, being largest in the north and declining as one moves south in Western Europe.

 


The Europeans having the largest degree of Yamnaya heritage are found in Northwest Europe. Note that the lower section of the chart deals with research on ancient DNA and shows general compositions for the Corded Ware and Bell Beaker peoples. It also shows a line for Otzi the Iceman, circa 5,000 YA, found frozen in the Alps. He had a tiny bit of Yamnaya ancestry. Note also, that the Germans are not included. This is likely because they are a composite nation. They are R1b in the western areas, related to other Celtic-derived West Europeans and R1a in the eastern areas related to the Slavic people such as the Poles. The boundary among the German people between “Celtic” R1b and “Slavic” R1a seems to have been somewhere in central Germany.

The Celts and Anglo-Saxons are just sub-tribes in the Yamnaya domain. While the Celts and Anglo-Saxons differ in culture and language, in genetics or biologically, they are close to being the same. This is true of the people of Western Europe in general. The Herman Hoeh view that the Italians are Japhetic and the British are Semitic and are two different races is without predicate in genetics. Certainly, this common Yamnaya heritage does not assert that the British, Germans and Italians are all the same culturally or linguistically. Even biologically, they are different proportions of the same triad of peoples and with trace heritages from yet different peoples such as North Africans and Middle Eastern people. But the nations of Western Europe do not constitute different races except by dubious standards taken to excess. What this also means is that the European derived people of North America are variations of the same ancestral peoples. North America is not as much of a melting pot as we have concluded in the past without the help of genetics.

Even though there is a history of admixture of three groups, in Western Europe R1b dominates. The Yamnaya intrusion on Western Europe was apparently not peaceful. For more information about why R1b dominates, refer to the following:

The Challenge for Believers in British-Israelism

Excavations that identify ancient haplogroups give us a migration scenario for the British and other peoples of Western Europe. The migration of these peoples wearing the R1b label starts in Siberia, moves to the Pontic Steppe, then to Eastern Europe, then to Western Europe and the British Isles. These Steppe peoples collided with other people who were already living in these areas and interbred with them. Hence, the racially triadic modern Western Europeans. This scenario results in specific challenges to the theory of British-Israelism that must be met if the theory is deemed to be credible. The points of contention are:

1. If the British are “Israelites” and are R-M269, then Abraham must have been R-M269. If this is true, this changes Biblical history. It means that the Jews who are haplogroup J are an imposter people. And Jesus is fallible because when he came to his own, he mistakenly came to the allegedly imposter Jews of Palestine. 
 
2. If the British are “Israelites” and are R-M269, then the area of the Ten Tribes in Palestine must contain burials of this same people in density. Excavation will establish this in the future. The impediment is that the Israelis, like Native Americans, believe it is sacrilege to disturb graves. So far only one ancient family has been excavated and they were haplogroup J. The grave was disturbed by natural events.


3. If the British are “Israelites” and are R-M269, then somehow a group of Steppe people had to leave the great stream of Steppe people migrating off the Pontic Steppe into Western Europe and had to migrate instead to Palestine forming an enclave of R-M269 people among the haplogroup J people of the Middle East. This people would be the source of the Biblical patriarchs and Abraham. There should be physical evidence of this migration – Steppe artifacts found in Palestine at the appropriate time horizon, for instance. 
 
4. If the British are “Israelites” and are R-M269, then there must be archaeological evidence of their migration from Palestine to the British Isles – probably in the form of a sudden upsurge in population in Britain associated not with the British Bronze Age artifacts but with non-British artifacts at the same time horizon. The marked shift in artifacts should be obvious. 
 
If all the boxes can be checked as true on the if-then points above, British-Israelism will stand. Otherwise, it has no credibility. Those who are confident that British-Israelism is true, should be willing to financially support projects establishing the validity of British-Israelism for the entire world. After all, the identity of Israel, we have been told, is an essential part of the prophetic message that Armstrongism has a responsibility to deliver at the end of the age. In the truest sense, this archaeological research is “The Work.”

Much of this haplogroup/migration scenario played out before the time of Abraham and the Tribes of Israel. And if Abraham is the progenitor of the Jews and the Adnani Arabs, as these two peoples claim, he was y chromosome haplogroup J instead of Western European haplogroup R1b. And there is no scenario with archaeological or genetic substance in which “Israelites”, as the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel, bearing haplogroup R1b migrated into the British Isles sometime after 732 BC when the tribes went into captivity to the Assyrians.

Resorting to the Supernatural: The Last Redoubt of British-Israelism

As archeological research advances, the credibility of BI will continue to erode. The Bible is the Book of God’s Words but the Cosmos is the Book of God’s Works. The only way BI can be defended is for its followers to retreat further from the scientific study of the Cosmos, in this case genetics, into supernatural fantasy. For instance, I recall talking to an “old time” Armstrongist, one of the first AC Pasadena students, and he told me that God could miraculously change Gentiles into Israelites. So, perhaps God would change the haplogroup of Israelites into a Gentile haplogroup to hide their identity from the world and, apparently, from themselves. But God does not bear false witness. And that is the fundamental issue with some of the imaginative and creative fantasies, involving concealed identity, that emerge in defense of BI. 

Summary Argument

The genetic history and migrations of the people of the British Isles and other Western European nations has been established. It is not a grand mystery that requires esoteric Bible interpretation or arcane historical sources to understand. The evidence is physical and measurable to science. Though it is a remarkable history that begins with the Yamnaya, a people of horses and herds on the Pontic Steppe, and ends with their descendants walking on the moon, the drama of this history alone does not place it in the pages of the Bible. The Bible is about the Jews and a special message to mankind. Its setting is in the Middle East and not Western Europe. Jesus stated that his personal ministry was to the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel and he never set a foot outside of Palestine. I believe it is obvious that Jesus accomplished his mission to the Lost Sheep through preaching the Gospel among the Jews of First Century Judea.

References

Eupedia, “Haplogroup R1b”, https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1b_Y-DNA.shtml

Oguzhan Parasayan, Christophe Laurelut, Christine Bole, et al. “Late Neolithic collective burial reveals admixture dynamics during the third millennium BCE and the shaping of the European genome”, Science Advances, June 2024.

Reich, David. “Who We are and How We Got Here: Ancient DNA and the New Science of the Human Past,” Pantheon Books, 2018.

Wolfgang Haak, Iosif Lazaridis, et al. “Massive migration from the steppe was a source for Indo-European languages in Europe”, Nature, June 2015.

“Yamnaya Culture”, Wikipedia article.


22 comments:

Anonymous said...

Fifty years ago, when LSD was sweeping through youth culture, scientists were telling us that genes were more mutable than many realized, with LSD and other drugs capable of causing massive genetic changes. Today, those same scientists are telling us that genes are sufficiently immutable as to be able to tell us meaningfully what populations were doing many thousands of years ago. What will the scientists be telling us tomorrow?

There are very good reasons to reject BI. And there are very good reasons to trust in the best of current science as far more reliable than anything found in the Quran, the Old Testament, or the New Testament. But to say "science disproves BI" is just as simplistic and at risk of error as if one were to say "science proves a coming ice age" or "science proves a coming catastrophic warming."

Science is an imperfect tool. The Bible is an imperfect book. Problems arise when fanatics try to portray either the Bible or science as perfect. But science has one thing going for it that the Bible does not. Science, when practiced properly, admits error and uncertainty as it moves toward greater understanding.

Anonymous said...

Thank you Scout.
It’s a slam dunk out for BI as your post and many other posts on site have pointed out. DNA, science, archaeology, history, linguistics and scripture itself bury this absurd theory. Appreciate your work.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 10:07 wrote, "LSD and other drugs capable of causing massive genetic changes."

These are the wrong kind of changes and are not related to the usual mutations in haplogroups. LSD causes congenital malformations, fetal wastage, and germinal chromosome damage. Drug induced breakage of chromosomes does not support your argument in the anthropological realm. And they are not the "same scientists."

Science does make mistakes. But science is one of the very best reason to not believe in BI. I would like to see what research you have that supports your contention. At the moment, it seems like what you assert is only anecdotal.

Scout



Anonymous said...

Thanks for the interesting post and agree with other comment that the BI theory peddled by the WCG and many others even today is merely a faith based concept with no proof whatsoever. Yet they build dogmatic prophecies on it and create missions to perform.

Anonymous said...

Very interesting to read this - thanks. I am a 30 year WCG “veteran” who left 25 years ago. I believed BI - it seemed right, and fitted nicely with the whole package. After 25 years of no church, I have started attending my local Anglican / Episcopal church. Reading the bible afresh, without the old baggage, has been an amazing experience. Relevant to this thread on BI, James 1:1 says “James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.” This seems to me to be saying that individuals from the tribes (not the tribes as a whole, are scattered, and would be more scattered, throughout the world, and is further evidence that BI Is not valid.

Anonymous said...

Another banger Scout, they still ignore science, history, scripture. And speaking of scripture:
In the days of Josiah:

2 Chronicles 34:8-10 In the eighteenth year of Josiah’s reign, to purify the land and the temple, he sent Shaphan son of Azaliah and Maaseiah the ruler of the city, with Joah son of Joahaz, the recorder, to repair the temple of the Lord his God.

They went to Hilkiah the high priest and gave him the money that had been brought into the temple of God, which the Levites who were the gatekeepers had collected from the people of Manasseh, Ephraim and the entire remnant of Israel and from all the people of Judah and Benjamin and the inhabitants of Jerusalem. Then they entrusted it to the men appointed to supervise the work on the Lord’s temple.

This is fifty seven years after the reign of Hezekiah, and here is still Manasseh and Ephraim and the entire remnant of Israel obeying the Lord. They suppose to be lost..... But once again the cogs don't care about their morality, they care about the morality of the ones that got lost.

Tank

BillW said...

I agree with your comment 3.33 but we can be assured that the Armstrong acolytes and ministers alike would have worked out an answer to these words of James so that their belief in the BI fallacy is not disturbed. In like manner they work out false answers to many other things .

Byker Bob said...

Fifty years ago was a comparatively primitive time. The mapping of the human genome was most likely not even imagined during that era. The project began in the '90s, and was completed in April of 2003. It ranks amongst the most significant events in the history of science. But, even back in the '60s when the hippies were doing all of that acid, nobody would have visited a kibbutz in Israel and pointed out a British guy and proclaimed, "See what too much acid can do to you, Menachem? A year ago, that dude over there was a total Jew like us! He can trace his ancestry clear back to Abraham! But all of his psychedelic experiences have so altered and distorted his genes that he looks, acts, and talks like a Limey from London's east side. Even calls himself Clive!

Seriously, shortly after the genome project was completed, those of us who were participating in the old Painful Truth Forum were naive enough to believe that it spelled the end of British Israelism once and for all. Unfortunately, members of the COG movement have continued to develop ridiculous and puerile excuses, rationalizations, and theories which have largely prevented the membership from accepting the fact that BI is simply not possible. It never was. Someone once opined that if the church admitted that British Israelism was untrue, it's such a lynchpin of their belief system that the church would simply collapse.

Excellent article, Scout. I also liked the fact that Tank is familiar with and shared some of the Bible verses which disprove BI. When I had more disposable time, I used to write articles, too. One of them treated the scriptures which disprove BI. Strangely, these scriptures never made it into WCG sermons! That old article is probably still floating around over at the Painful Truth website.

BB

Anonymous ` said...

Tank

As you point out, there is data that just does not fit the BI model. The genetic data, I believe, is unassailable. Basal haplogroup R is found in an ancient burial near Lake Baikal in Siberia 24,000 years ago. This is the root haplogroup of those pastoral people who populated the Pontic Steppe who were predominantly R1b. From there, you find this same haplogroup in Britain 4,000 years ago and now. And this audit trail leads to me, like it does to nearly every American of European extraction. There is a direct biological connection between me and the Ancient North Eurasian that was found near Lake Baikal. He is clearly one of my early ancestors or related to my early ancestors and this is true of almost everyone in western and eastern Europe. This migration trajectory tells us where we come from and tells us that BI is wrong. BI is a fanciful conspiracy theory yet was touted by HWA as the key to end-time Bible prophecy.

Scout

Anonymous said...

So true Scout, you have done your homework like nobody else in the science department. You could have done a thesis or dissertation on this specific subject at Ambassador College, but then again they would have kicked you out of their synagogue.

BI is also the very framework of their whole religion, they can’t renege off of it, it would shatter their belief system. All those articles they’ve written on it. They are too prideful to admit that they’ve been in error this whole time.

Tank

Anonymous said...

A simple reality test is to ask God to affirm or invalidate BI.

Anonymous said...

Great point 3:33 about the first verse in James. What ACOGs fail to understand, is that, James is addressing Christians tha are scattered around the world (that's the main part), instead they interpret it as that nation, or this nation. So the BI doctrine causes them to misinterpret the nature of the scriptures.

Anonymous said...

How about HWA's full color 1960s book printed on most expensive white slick paper, "US & BC in Prophecy"? It promised, using British Israelism as the key, that there would be apocalyptic upheaval by 1972. Does the inverse corollary also apply: that the theory is flawed if there's no apocalyptic upheaval by 1972?

BP8 said...

1052 writes, "a simple reality test is to ask God to affirm or invalidate BI".

That is a simple approach but is it reality? Is that how God operates? Paul asked God to do certain things and the Lord answered, No, be content, I have given you enough to work with (see 2 Corinthians 12:7-9).

Whether or not the United States is, in the mind of God, the end time descendants of " Israel", we can only speculate. Many a preacher has seen similar characteristics between the two without making the full leap to BI. The condemnations described in Jeremiah 5:9, 29, 9:9, 25, and 25:13-14, using the language, "such a nation as this", is sufficient for making a comparison, and understanding how God presently views the nations of this world.

Our fate is not dependent on we being " Israel ". Our actions will determine that!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 10:52 wrote, "A simple reality test is to ask God to affirm or invalidate BI."

Well, er, God has already done that. Sometimes I don't think I get through to people at all. The simple reality test is called Genetics. And BI fails the reality test.

We do not have a debate in which the God and HWA are on one side and Scientists and Creation are on the other side. In reality, God and his Creation are on one side and the Scientists and HWA are on the other. It is up to us, based on methodologies used, to determine who has greater credibility, the Scientists or HWA. Scientists give us verifiable, repeatable findings and HWA gives us stories from his legendarium.

God is the one who made humans to be genetic beings. Human beings did not create genetics. Humans only interpret the data that God has encoded in the genome. And population genetics that uses haplogroups to identify connected people works at the molecular biology level.

Scout

Anonymous said...

''What ACOGs fail to understand, is that, James is addressing Christians that are scattered around the world (that's the main part), instead they interpret it as that nation, or this nation. So the BI doctrine causes them to misinterpret the nature of the scriptures''
This means James's letter using their theory is going to far off lands Ireland and Scotland and France and so forth. By what means I've no idea foot included presumably.
These peoples were in many of the settlements of the Diaspora in the time of
our Lord —both north, south, and west, as well as east
of Palestine - who had never returned to the land of their fathers since the time of the Assyrian and Babylonian exiles. Josephus so alludes.

Anonymous said...

I know right 1:01, and remember they are still suppose to be "the ten lost tribes of Israel" (only to be found after the british come to America over 1600 years later), BUT for some strange reason the Apostle James who wrote his epistle in the mid 40's AD doesn't separate a particular ten, that are lost from the other two, he just simply writes "to the twelve tribe that are scattered abroad."

He doesn't write, "to the ten lost tribes, and to the remaining two."

there is no logic,
Tank

Byker Bob said...

The New Testament identifies specific people in Jerusalem during the first century as being from tribes other than Judah. Anna, Prophetess, Asher (Luke 2:36); Barnabas, Levite, (Acts 4:36); Paul, Benjamin, (Romans 11:1) Christians during that era would have been a random sampling of the general population, so we are secure in our knowledge that members of all the tribes were present and accounted for at that time.

The conclusion of my article, to which I alluded earlier, was that the tribes were not lost. They were assimilated, and became simply known collectively as "the Jews". Others were assimilated into the diaspora. "The Jews" remained known as such and largely preserved their identity and the traditions from the Torah wherever they went right up until the time of the Holocaust, when many questioned why God would have allowed such suffering, and became agnostic. Yet even as agnostics, they retained their identity as Jews.

BB

Anonymous said...

Great point BB, as I think the opening verse in James says it best , I tend to like the NIV version:
James 1:1-2 James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes scattered among the nations:

They just assimilated like after 70AD, and centuries later sufferings of that of their persecution in Spanish Inquisition and later the Holocaust. There were Russian Jews, German Jews, Polish Jews.....

Byker Bob said...

Another interesting factor, 10:16, is that those in the diaspora were largely "Samaritanized". We're looking at 2,000 years of occasional intermarriage with the citizens of whatever host country they landed in. And, we know how the Jews of Jesus' day regarded Samaritans.

BB

Anonymous said...

Correct, they just basically became mixed with all the intermarriages.

Tank

Byker Bob said...

Way back at the Biblical start of this already in progress genetic chain, there was already some of the intermarriage which we've been discussing, present and accounted for. Manasseh and Ephraim's mommy walked like an Egyptian, because she actually was Egyptian! Kind of funny when you think of it, that thousands of years later, a Jewish girl who had at one time been Prince's girlfriend, would write a song for her band about walking like an Egyptian! Wouldn't it be interesting to learn that the supposed ancestor of all the Brits had been Nubian Egyptian? We cannot know that she was, or that she wasn't, because scripture does not specify that.

Still, an interesting thought for the day!

BB