On May 1, former Restored Church of God member Jessica Brown was interviewed by Dawn Blue of How It's Done for WCTV. Jessica was a member of the Headquarters congregation until late last year. Since then, she has been a contributor on exrcg.org. Her exit story helped others come forward.
Jessica continues to share her story and insight regarding the ongoing prophetic disaster of David C. Pack and The Restored Church of God.
Marc Cebrian
Our most perfect COG leader since the dawn of creation has been in major damage control mode since it was exposed that some of his African members still deal with local witch doctors to cast spells on others. Ever since it was exposed that Radson and Evans were reported to have hired witch doctors to blind Thiel's mind to reality, this has led many African members and many of his Caucasian members to ask, what is really going on in Africa, and why is our tithe money going to such regions with no accountability? Some in Mozambique believe the witch doctor spell cast on Bob is actually working to keep him blinded to the abuses going on there.
He still denies that Evans Ocheing and his son Bradox didn't use church funds for Bradoxs election campaigning, not only once, but twice! It cost Bradox around $30,000 to run his campaign and then lost. He then turned around and went to court to have the election overturned in his favor. Yet Perfect Bob believes them when Evans and Bradox said someone put his name on the ballot without asking. That witch doctor's Mind Zomoe spell is working pretty good!
Bob also has CCOG leaders who are also cavorting with Seventh Day Adventists to get what they want, and other Sabbatarian COG groups. Yet God's most perfect man cannot open his eyes.
So he doubled down this past week over his church members worried about the power of witch doctors. Not only did he do an article on it but did a sermon to be sent out to those few radio stations that will handle his nuttiness:
Can Witch Doctors Cast Spells on Christians?
Many in Africa, Haiti, the West, and various other parts of the world believe that witch doctors are powerful. Various ones have succumbed to the point they believe Christians can be cursed by them. The Bible opposes the use of witchcraft and casting spells as Deuteronomy 18:10-12 shows. Does the Bible suggest witches, palm readers, and witch doctors could be real? Is it possible that witch doctors can cast spells on Christians to blind them to something? If not, why not? Are non-Christians subject to be blinded by Satan, his demons, and those involved with the ‘dark arts’? What does the Bible clearly teach? Could the teaching that true Christians be deceived by curses from witch doctors be a ‘doctrine of demons’ that the Apostle Paul warned about in the last days? Are Christians to fear humans? Does God limit Satan’s power and those of his henchmen? Will the False Prophet Antichrist perform real signs that many will fall for? Do you, if you are a real Christian, truly believe, “He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world?” What can we learn regarding Job as well as Balaam and Balak? Dr. Thiel and Steve Dupuie go over scriptures to show what the Bible really teaches about this matter.
In his weekly letter to his dwindling flock, he had this to say:
God’s people do not need to have any fear of false gods–or, let me add, witch doctors who promote or try to conjure up curses from demonic false gods–anyone who teaches otherwise “loves and practices a lie” (Revelation 22:15).
Witch doctors do not obey God, hence do not have the Holy Spirit–but real Christians do (cf. Acts 5:32b; Romans 8:9).
God is more powerful than Satan and his minions
Witch doctors cannot stop Jesus or the work of God (cf. Matthew 16:18).
While that may be true, the improperly named "continuing" Church of God is NOT the "work" of God on the face of the earth today, particularly now that we know what a cesspool of corruption, lies, and adultery is part of its operating game.
Consider also that Jesus said in Mark 11:22, “Have faith in God.” Jesus also said that many who claimed to be religious, “Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God” (Matthew 22:29, KJV).
Yet, instead of believing the words in the Bible, some have been influenced by doctrines of demons. This was prophesied for the last days as the Apostle Paul pointed out in his first letter to Timothy:
Instead of believing the words of their Bible, deceived, but probably sincere people swallowed Bob Thiel's lies and joined up with him.
1 Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, (1 Timothy 4:1)
It is a doctrine of demons that Satan’s henchman, like witch doctors, can cast a powerful spell over a faithful Christian. Any who suggest otherwise are among those the Apostle Paul’s second letter to Timothy also prophesied about:
13 But evil men and impostors will grow worse and worse, deceiving and being deceived. 14 But you must continue in the things which you have learned and been assured of, knowing from whom you have learned them, (2 Timothy 3:13-14)
Do not be deceived that witch doctors, witches, palm readers, etc. can get curses placed on real Christians. Those who suggest otherwise are blaspheming the word of God and need to repent.
For some reason, the Churches of God are filled today with some of the biggest blasphemers ever. From Dave Pack, Gerald Flurry, and Ron Wienland to Bob Thiel. Never has the church seen such spiritual degeneracy.
Tortured Apologetics
David C. Pack demeans himself during “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 438)” on April 27, 2023. While on his hands and knees kissing the pinkie ring on Herbert W. Armstrong’s corpse, he takes a hammer to the man’s toes, making a bad situation even worse.
After neutering Herbert W. Armstrong during Part 437 by undoing his central legacy cocktail topic, it must have pricked Dave’s conscience because he goes out of his way to throw “his father in the Gospel” a bone with generous portions of meat still attached.
Before the grand suck-up, Dave hinted it was coming.
Part 438 – April 27, 2023
@ 23:32 And maybe Mr. Armstrong was more right than he knew (in a certain way). Certainly, when a lot of trumpets go off.
Herbert W. Armstrong:
Right in a certain way.
Maybe Dave was adding 2% back to the understanding ratio so HWA could be resurrected with his head held high. Having 2.01% of his prophetic understanding acknowledged by the two man-children nicknamed Coffee Kid and Pepper Boy would brighten anyone's day. The Elijah That Prophet Stamp of Approval would be the cherry on top.
You will never hear a more pathetically gushing walk-back than this tortured apologetics diatribe from David C. Pack during Part 438.
apologetics
reasoned arguments or writings in justification of something, typically a theory or religious doctrine
Even though he was seated, I could feel every muscle and joint in his body stretching to the near-breaking point with his verbal contortions. Usually, only people who practice yoga can twist like this.
Even now, I cannot listen to this two-and-a-half-minute clip without crying with laughter. It is both hilarious and agonizing. Former members, please fight through your PTSD and listen to it. You will be glad you did.
@ 52:30 The first Five Heads of the Roman Church attacked one generation in their time. We might ask, Does the Sixth Head work in its space of only one generation?
Activate the Rule of Thumb. Question posed. The answer is always: YES. He goes on to say it is Yes.
@ 52:50 As you know, I like to say this, so the Great Servant Herbert Armstrong thought (and he saw in the Scriptures) that there would be one generation of Israel taken captive before the Kingdom of God came. Was he wrong?
Instead of saying No, he approaches it from the opposite angle with feeble excuses. Watch the squirming commence.
@ 53:10 If he had it as the Seventh Head when it's the Sixth, but in principle, he was right, just off by a digit because he thought the Sixth Head was in his time and couldn’t see the Eighth.
Herbert W. Armstrong:
Off by a digit because he thought…
By this logic, the Sunday-keeping Catholics are right about the Sabbath “in principle,” they are just “off by a digit.” Talk about labored spin. This is tortured apologetics with nitromethane added to the fuel tank.
Dave is already straining so hard you could worry if he would pop a blood vessel. As Dave describes, HWA was clearly in complete error, but he is determined to give him a hard pass no matter how bleak things look. It goes from bad to worse. Enhanced with much shouting.
@ 52:23 That would be a very understandable mistake, wouldn't it? So, he taught that one generation, always believing it's the generation that was here (although we’ve now moved a couple generations since God called him.) It would be one generation that went into captivity.
Herbert W. Armstrong:
Very understandable mistakes.
Teaching a fraudulent doctrine for decades is now considered a “mistake.”
Who judges what is or is not "understandable" regarding prophetic accuracy? How about when it is enforced by a church as a doctrine with “truth” stamped on the side? Is David C. Pack qualified to determine this?
That is leaving the fox in charge of the hen house.
This is going poorly. Dave had to add his own parentheticals, which further exposed how wrong his mentor was. HWA thought it was during his time, but “a couple generations” later proves that false.
This display reeks of desperation and further diminishes my already low opinions of David C. Pack.
@ 53:41 He also was confused, so he took the period of captivity from the Eighth Head, called the whole thing the Seventh Head when it was really the Sixth Head. But, in principle, it was dead bang. He just thought this kingdom [Shot Glass] was gonna follow one generation of Israelites going into captivity.
Herbert W. Armstrong:
He also was confused.
Remind me to never ask David C. Pack to defend me in court. He is awful at apologetics. He kicked the ball into his own team's net and lost the game. Thanks, Dave.
Herbert W. Armstrong:
He just thought…
Pause. Try to think of Dave defending Gerald Flurry or Harold Camping the same way. That cannot be done. It is too fantastic to even try to imagine.
@ 54:06 So, if he called the Sixth the Seventh and borrowed the space that was really the Eighth (I'll say again), that’s a very understandable mistake.
By Dave making excuses for Herbert W. Armstrong, he is really excusing himself. At every turn, he digs the hole deeper and deeper. Each new detail exposes just how much more wrong HWA was than when he started supporting him.
Remember, David C. Pack is defending the man.
@ 54:18 I’m not trying to just go like that [pats himself on the shoulder] because I was willing to believe it for fifty years. It was very believable.
It was just not “very true.”
If you listen to the Jehovah’s Witness on your doorstep, they sound very believable. Those nicely dressed Mormon kids know their Bibles and sound very believable. Joel Osteen has made a career out of making biblical vomit believable. We can now count Herbert W. Armstrong among the greats.
@ 54:24 He said the Kingdom of God (he didn’t have these two iterations in place [Glass 1 & Glass 7]), and he didn’t see that there would be a Kingdom to Israel in front of this. [Shot Glass]) But, somebody [me] would be raised up at the end of the age to tell the church about a Kingdom to Israel and two other Kingdoms of God before this one [Glass 1000]. But the man was much more right, and what he taught the world was far closer to right, I mean, you know, here's the alternative: When you die, you go to heaven, even if you're Al Capone.
Much more right than what? Dave fizzled out before that thought was brought to fruition. Did he mean Buddhists? Maybe Muslims?
Herbert W. Armstrong:
Much more right than Taoists.
He could say Protestants are "far closer to right" than Hindus. With this logic, David C. Pack was saying that Herbert W. Armstrong was the lesser of the evils.
Do not let Dave defend me. Ever.
Herbert W. Armstrong:
Far closer to right than Al Capone.
The estate of Al Capone takes exception to that remark.
@ 54:55 I mean, that's so he taught the Gospel of the Kingdom of God. He just didn’t see the iterations because the Mystery of God was slated to be understood right before it was carried out. And cannot be carried out until it is understood.
There are only two positives by the end of Dave’s gushing apologetics seizure.
HWA knew punishment comes on one generation.
HWA knew there was a Gospel of the Kingdom of God.
Yeah, that's it. Herbert W. Armstrong proved he could read. What a fabulous new gold star pinned on the fridge of his legacy.
As if Dave did not already do enough damage to the man “he loves” to call a Great Servant, he had to keep the Weekend at Bernie’s disaster going. The over-compensating, over-explaining was overdone five minutes ago. And yet, it continued.
@ 1:00:04 Mr. Armstrong is starting to look really, really right, just off by a number.
1 + 1 = 3 is off by a number. There is a great gulf fixed between being correct and being incorrect.
Herbert W. Armstrong:
Just off by a number.
Parents do not want their kid's second-grade math teacher to be off by a number, much less an apostle and Pastor General of a church.
I have neither positive nor negative feelings about Herbert W. Armstrong. But as an observer, considering The Restored Church of God was established in 1999 to carry on that man’s legacy, this tortured apologetic fiasco stabs the guy in the liver while trying to save him from drowning.
It would have been better if Dave just let him stay dead.
@ 1:45:50 One final thought. Revelation 17:10 describes the Sixth Head IS. Is. You gotta be alive right now. Mr. Armstrong believed in his time that was true. But he thought it was 90 years ago, and then that came and went. So, he thought the Seventh Head would come. But we know, looking at it from the proper perspective 90 years later, the Sixth Head IS. “Meaning what, Mr. Pack?” He is here somewhere. You might wanna start looking around. And one of the nice things about the Splinters, it gives me a warm feeling in my heart, they are waiting for somebody to rise in Europe.
Is Dave paid by the prosecution or the defense? Is he protecting HWA or pushing him off a cliff?
Herbert W. Armstrong:
He believed that was true.
Dave straps on the Last Resort Life Vest by invoking the Splinters, of all things. The very organizations he has accused of being the Synagogue of Satan, operated by the devil and filled with wicked, lazy ministers. Even if all that is true, there is still a bright side.
@ 1:46:54 But, their heads are right because of Mr. Armstrong teaching (in essence) what’s correct. Okay, lemme say it again. He was lookin’ for the Seventh Head, but, really, the Sixth Head’s coming. And then, he borrowed the period from the Eighth Head even though he didn’t believe there was an Eighth Head, but he borrowed it. But, in essence, he prepared everybody.
So, Herbert W. Armstrong is the cucumber water of prophetic understanding.
To recap all the remarkable things Herbert W. Armstrong has accomplished, according to David C. Pack during Part 438:
He was right “in a certain way.”
He was right “in principle.”
He was “off by a digit.”
His mistakes are “very understandable.”
He was “confused.”
He “just thought…”
He “borrowed the space that was really…”
He taught what was “very believable.”
He “didn’t see…”
He was “far closer to right…”
He is better than “Al Capone goes to heaven.”
He was “just off by a number.”
He “believed in his time that was true.”
He taught “in essence what’s correct.”
He prepared the Splinters “in essence.”
This was the most tortured attempt at apologetics I have ever witnessed.
Do not ever let David C. Pack defend me. Ever. EVER.
Marc Cebrian
See: Tortured Apologetics
