Wednesday, May 31, 2017

Angela Merkel Makes COG Prophetic Wet Dream Come "True"



Angela Merkel has sent COGers into fits of frenzy lately when she made the comment after President Trump's visit to Europe when she said,  "[Europe/Germany]... take our fate into our own hands."  With that little comment, COG apologists eyes rolled up and glazed over in orgasmic delight at the thought of an HWA "prophecy" coming true.

With France Germany and other European leaders saying that they can not look to the Untied States for military support or economic stability, the COGers think they are seeing prophecy come alive.  From Dave Pack to Gerald Flurry, to Bob Thiel and others, it is a wet dream come true.

Merkel, After Discordant G-7 Meeting, Is Looking Past Trump
By ALISON SMALE and STEVEN ERLANGER 
BERLIN — Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany, Europe’s most influential leader, has concluded, after three days of trans-Atlantic meetings, that the United States of President Trump is not the reliable partner her country and the Continent have automatically depended on in the past. 
Clearly disappointed with Mr. Trump’s positions on NATO, Russia, climate changeand trade, Ms. Merkel said in Munich on Sunday that traditional alliances were no longer as steadfast as they once were and that Europe should pay more attention to its own interests “and really take our fate into our own hands.” NYTimes
Every time something happens in the world, COG false prophets go into meltdown mode.  From women ruling over nations to the rise of the European Union, it is always a sure sign of the end times AND that it proves Herbert Armstrong was right.  Scripture states that even if ONE prophecy by HWA or any other COG prophet fails, then they are false prophets, even if by chance they somehow hit something by accident decades later.  All of the other lies prove them to be false prophets and outright liars, thus making them unfit to be followed.

The problem with this happening now is that various splinter personality cults will use this as a money making fear tactic to milk members for more money for that FINAL PUSH.  

Bruce Renehan, "Daughter Of Babylon, The True History of The Worldwide Church of God" said the following on Facebook recently:
The prophecy of Daniel's days comes from the Millerites of the mid-1800s later it was adopted by a church of God seventh day minister Andrew Dugger who predicted 1936 as the Advent of Christ. Armstrong joined Dugger's dissident church and began predicting the end with Hitler and Musallini as Beast and False Prophet. Years after that Armstrong adopted the year 1975 from the Jehovah Witnesses. The prophecy of the United States of Europe was delivered in a 1946 speech by none other than Winston Churchill and not Armstrong.  See: What Did Churchill Mean By A "United States of Europe?"
Everything that Armstrong has predicted over the decades he stole from other people. From appropriating others false prophecies to plagiarizing books and booklets from other churches, Armstrong had no scruples.

Various COG leaders continue on this vile practice today.  Not one single thing they have ever uttered has ever come to pass.  Yet, they continue to instill fear in their members, who get sucked in by the subtleties of the devious ministers.

33 comments:

Redfox712 said...

It is just awful how these COG false prophets exploit political events to insist that they are right. They are not. They are promoting utter nonsense. They are telling people to trust in a man who said that the Great Tribulation would begin in 1972 and that Christ would return three and a half years later in 1975.

Here is HWA promoting this garbage that the Great Tribulation would begin by 1972 at the latest. He taught that there were two 19 year time cycles during which his organization would preach in public, specifically 1934-53 and 1953-72 after which the organization would be suppressed and rendered unable to preach by the German led European Empire. This is from his May 22, 1953 co-worker letter. (I wish to state my thanks to Pam Dewey for learning of this letter from a website of hers.)

"WHAT A TREMENDOUS SIGNIFICANCE THAT HAS! Think of it! God allowed us one exact complete cycle of 19 years for proclaiming CHRIST'S GOSPEL to all North America — all the United States, Canada, and Mexico! At the START of the second 19-year cycle, GOD OPENED THE DOOR to ALL EUROPE! And the MILITARY INVASION that shall END all true Gospel preaching is apparently to strike at the precise END of this second 19-year period — the spring of 1972 — EXACTLY 19 YEARS FROM NOW!

"It took one cycle of 19 years to spread this work to all North America. There remains exactly one more 19-year cycle to spread it to ALL THE WORLD!

"Surely I have NEVER before had anything so startling — so SIGNIFICANT — to write to you Co-Workers! Can you grasp the MEANING of it? Do you realize just HOW SHORT a time 19 years really is? To me it seems this past 19 years, since the work on the radio and by printing press began, has whizzed by like a jet plane. Yes, IT IS TIME FOR US TO WAKE UP! Time is short. We have a herculean task ahead!"

That letter can be read at: http://www.hwalibrary.com/cgi-bin/get/hwa.cgi?action=getcoworker&InfoID=1354884533

Ilija Korac said...

That is not Mr. Armstrong prophecy. Europe will be free from USA and the Europe will be bay it self power and very soon. That is not prophecy it is written in the Bible.

Anonymous said...

Bible prophecy is so ambiguous that even that false prophet Herbert Armstrong put his own interpretation to it and his followers took it hook, line & sinker!

DPR567 said...

When I was in the church I wasn't interested in the teachings on prophecy. I had too much crap in my personal life I was having to contend with and prophecy was the least of my worries. Thankfully, after leaving the church, my life got a whole lot better.

Michael said...

wet dreams :-)

Won't it be great to see 1/3 of the population taken into slavery!

100 million Americans dragged all the way to Germany (by plane, ship?), where they will exceed the population of the locals. Yep, makes perfect sense in the 21st century.

DennisCDiehl said...

Holy Macron Merkel!

However....

The Book of Daniel, written to encourage the Macabeans in their Wars with Rome of the 160's BCE is so "accurate" precisely because all the great empires predicted had already come and gone in real history. Dreams of things pretended to have not yet happened when in fact they had are not history prophecied. It is prophecy historized or back written into the text. A common style of writing in the day and used to encourage those then going through whatever hell was going on against the Jews this time.

Daniel 11 seems so accurate because the events had just happened or were ongoing at the time. Chapter 12 gets all fuzzy and generic because outcomes were not known so we "close the Book Daniel, but then a bunch of stuff happens and it all works out...."

The Sunday School version of Daniel is a poor cousin to reality and the historical origins and intent of the Book, none of which was written to mean what the COG's make it mean and drool over. They will all die like men in their drool before anything they imagine from it comes to pass. It was never talking to us. It was talking to them. Biblical prophecy is always meant for the audience that hears it and speaks of events soon to come to pass for them , just over the next hill, all will be well, don't worry.

Revelation drew on Daniel and barely made the cut in the Canon and is a failed first century prophecy meant for the folk of the day and Rome won.

IMHO :)

Anonymous said...

Ilija Korac said...

That is not Mr. Armstrong prophecy. Europe will be free from USA and the Europe will be bay it self power and very soon. That is not prophecy it is written in the Bible.

Actually, it is Mr. Armstrong prophecy. Other Bible students have correctly discerned that, just as Mr. Armstrong earlier teachings about the "pyramid inch" in prophecy were wrong, his teaching about the USA and Britain as Manasseh and Ephraim were also wrong.

Today's HWA loyalists don't insist that he had to have been right in his prophecies about Mussolini or Hitler, or the pyramid inch. Why do they then get so hung up with the idea that he had to have been right about the USA in prophecy?

Hoss said...

Back in the late 1970s, I ran into a fellow WCG member and mentioned that I'd just read that another country joined the EU. He replied, There used to be a time when I would think that was important.

Mark Wolfe said...

Many E.U. nations are running into sovereign debt issues. Britain decides to leave the E.U. Then, a nationalist candidate in the United States wins an election no one thought possible he could win. Now a german leader is saying the nation of Europe needs to go it alone. I definitely can see a scenario where a 10 nation European superpower becomes a reality. And NOBODY thought that would happen except for some prophetic biblically based church groups.

The Painful Truth said...

The EU when formed made the mistake of not taking the debt of all its member nations and combine them as central government debt. So the debt of some members doubled when they joined the EU putting them into the position they are in today. Translation: The EU mathematically must fail. It cannot be held together for much longer.

To top that, they would need to built a military force with all the bells and whistles that go with that. Right now it is NATO that supplies their defense, which is the United States. Without the USA they cannot afford to build a quality force. Debtor member nations will pull out of the EU as a means of economic survival.

So let the armstrongist enjoy their little ride. In the end the dream of Nazi's hanging all of us on meat-hooks will go the way of all armstrongs prophecies. To the gutter unfulfilled.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AORrIlQGATM

Anonymous said...

I never thought it would happen, but I agree with IIija. Many church leaders in many different churches have played games with bible prophecy. But it doesn't take away from the fact that bible prophesy does appear in the bible.
God is a prayer answering God. The significance of the veil in the holy of holies splitting in two on Christ's death, is that every Christian has direct access to God the Father. No middlemen such as Jehovah Witnesses governing body or Herbie ministers are needed.
The answer given to me by Gods holy spirit is that a United Europe will militarily defeat and enslave America and other Anglo Saxons. Sorry people, what is, is.

Connie Schmidt said...

To Bob's credit, it was not COG Prophetic Masturbation, but rather a COG Prophetic Wet Dream .

This complies with Apostle/Elijah Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong's edict , issued in his , "Seminal Book", the "Missing Dimension in Sex" (page 171)...

"Masturbation is either plain lust, or else a desire for relief. But God provided for relief, through the means of nocturnal emissions during sleep. If such natural relief is needed, the boy or man may induce it by sleeping on his back."

Anonymous said...

Yawn. And when relations with Europe once again normalize when the US goes back to having a rational, adult-minded head of state again in 3 1/2 years... ZOMG OH NOES 3 1/2 YEARS TRIBULATION CONFIRMED!!!1!! /s

Anonymous said...

We had ODUMMER screwing the nation for almost 8 years!!! You need to get with reality!!!

The Painful Truth said...

Anon May 31, 2017 at 9:33 AM,

You wrote: The answer given to me by Gods holy spirit is that a United Europe will militarily defeat and enslave America and other Anglo Saxons. Sorry people, what is, is.
_____________________________

No its not. It is what Herbert Armstrong stoled from the newspapers of the day. Herbert was NOT a prophet but a religious charlatan. Sorry, it is what it is..........Try again.

Anonymous said...

2.31 PM
The 'ten toes' have been in my bible for 2000 years. At any rate, time will tell what is, no?

Tony said...

The United States Hasn't Had A Great Leader In Over 50 Years.

Anonymous said...

Anon 2:48 PM wrote: "The 'ten toes' have been in my bible for 2000 years..."

Yes, and they will still be in your Bible another 1,000 years from today.....until sometime after Satan is loosed from the pit, but you keep looking.

HWA and any/all followers of HWA and his Mystery of the Ages have been looking for them 10 kings of Revelation 17 to show up before some Mickey Mouse Millennium and are wasting their time. You will look in vain, because that was all Junk Food. It was like you were fed Fake News, but we'll be patient (for over another 1,000 years), but rest assure, because as you said:

"...time will tell what is..."

John

Anonymous said...

everything is proceeding in the general direction that has been prophecied, regardless of whether or not the specifics preached by the various cogs have been fulfilled...

fact is the foundational belief has been that germany would rise again, and they have...

fact is that the german rise has historically led towards hostility towards what armstrong termed the israelitish nations, and it is beginning to manifest itself presently in the slow but steady deterioration in relations between the english and the germans...

and history has proven, there will naturally be german hostility towards the french, belgium, and the nords...

and, btw, it is no coincidence that our german friend dd finds himself at odds with the cogs: its simply in his blood...

Michael said...

HWA wrote
"But God provided for relief, through the means of nocturnal emissions during sleep. If such natural relief is needed, the boy or man may induce it by sleeping on his back.""

Sorry Herb, doesn't work...

True Bread said...

Let's see how fast Pope Theil rips this off...

-seven heads then horns: G7,Club of Rome (which has planet divided into ten zones)
(Rev 13:1-11)
-King of the North: USA/NATO/UN/EU/Israel (same as seven heads/ten horns) Dan 11:40
-King of the South: the Levant, (probably led by Iran) Dan 11:40
-Kings of the East: Russia/China, (BRICS nations) Rev 16:12

Roman Empire: Legs of Iron, toes of iron and clay
1. Caesar 1st Reich
2. Napoleon 2nd Reich
3. Hitler 3rd Reich
4. Trump 4th Reich (95% possibility)

-Trump is possibly the antichrist (little horn who signs peace agreement) 95% certain
-Pope Francis possibly the false prophet (Rev 13:11-18)

I got more....I'm here all week....tip your bartenders and waitresses....

click on my name for links to many videos on above topic.... Peace

Michael said...

Anon said:
"The answer given to me by Gods holy spirit is that a United Europe will militarily defeat and enslave America and other Anglo Saxons. "

Another problem with that theory, setting aside the logistics and all, is that the US is not some sort of monolithic genetic pool of an ancient tribe, no matter how you look at it. Been a melting pot of immigrants from all over the world since founding of the nation. Even if you could trace a line from some people to ancient Israel (you can't), that would be a very slim insignificant minority not warranting any sort of national punishment a la OT prophecies on descendents of Abraham...

The book is thousands of years old, irrelevant, provincial and ignorant of modern scientific discoveries.
Time to give it up already...

nck said...

"Sorry Herb, doesn't work..."

Please Michael,

when people are induced on this blog to conduct emperical analysis for themselves, we do not expect them to share the outcome of such research..................


nck

Anonymous said...

7.29 PM
Historically, (until the Democratic party opened the immigration floodgates starting in the 1960s) America attracted the 'go west young man' type immigrant. This acted as a filter or magnet. Hence the majority might be from a certain genetic stock. The other point is Gods intervention. He might have stirred up people with a certain genetic ancestry (Israel) to come to America.
The national punishment is purely for their sins rather than some OT prophecy. Keep in mind that all nations will be punished during the tribulations, even the 'meat hook' torturing Germans.

Jeremy said...

Ilija Korac said: "That is not Mr. Armstrong prophecy. Europe will be free from USA and the Europe will be bay it self power and very soon. That is not prophecy it is written in the Bible."

Mark Wolfe said: "Many E.U. nations are running into sovereign debt issues. Britain decides to leave the E.U. Then, a nationalist candidate in the United States wins an election no one thought possible he could win. Now a german leader is saying the nation of Europe needs to go it alone. I definitely can see a scenario where a 10 nation European superpower becomes a reality. And NOBODY thought that would happen except for some prophetic biblically based church groups."

Anonymous said: "I never thought it would happen, but I agree with IIija. Many church leaders in many different churches have played games with bible prophecy. But it doesn't take away from the fact that bible prophesy does appear in the bible.
God is a prayer answering God. The significance of the veil in the holy of holies splitting in two on Christ's death, is that every Christian has direct access to God the Father. No middlemen such as Jehovah Witnesses governing body or Herbie ministers are needed. The answer given to me by Gods holy spirit is that a United Europe will militarily defeat and enslave America and other Anglo Saxons. Sorry people, what is, is."

Personally I agree with these posters. HWA was a false prophet according to the Bible. But, that doesn't negate the generally correct interpretation of Biblical prophecy he related during his ministry, which in my humble opinion, includes the prediction that Europe will come under the short-lived, but oppressive rule of the "Beast" power (or revived Roman Empire); the main players of this superpower European union will be 10 leaders ("kings") under 1 supreme leader ("beast") along with a miracle-working religious leader, possibly a future Pope ("False Prophet") who will be allied with the supranationalist combine. Some form of identification ("mark of the Beast") will be enforced, possibly including the restriction of cash and the use of technology to implement (Revelation 13:16-18). Thus, with the UK bent on divorcing the EU, the US on the decline, Russia & China on the rise, the ongoing threat of Islam, etc. we're surely seeing Bible prophecy being fulfilled. Whoever takes the helm of Europe be it Germany or another I personally believe the US, UK & its Anglosphere sisters will fall prey to the "Beast" & his allies (Dn 11:36-45). This possibly will occur around the same time Israel is invaded & Jerusalem surrounded by foreign standing armies (Luke 21:20-22). Later, thankfully, Christ our Saviour will return & execute the "Beast" & "False Prophet" (Matthew 24:29-31; Revelation 19:20) and usher in the New Age.

Anonymous said...

Michael said: HWA wrote "But God provided for relief, through the means of nocturnal emissions during sleep. If such natural relief is needed, the boy or man may induce it by sleeping on his back." Sorry Herb, doesn't work...

I second that Michael. I remember as a young adult reading that and although it worked fine at first when I rarely, if ever, masturbated, later, however, when I did start fapping on a regular basis it just didn't work, probably due to the need for instant relief. Besides that the problem in my experience is that if you abstain from fapping and then finally have a wet dream one night or wake up mid-dream with morning wood either in the latter case you will need a release by masturbating or in the former scenario you get addicted to orgasm all over again and within a few days to a week need to wank just for some relief. What can I say, we're all human and sexual beings. Hell even HWA was too by all accounts since he allegedly owned a flog log!

Byker Bob said...

2:07, the Immigration and Nationalization Act of 1965 was not exclusively a Democrat thing. The bill passed the House of Representatives 318-95, and the Senate 76-18. Republican business moguls and venture capitalists favored it because it attracted highly educated, highly skilled employees they needed to design and develop new technologies. The vote ratios indicate that this act was popular on a bipartisan basis.

Also, you refer to a filter, or God's intervention. WASPs were historically one sizable group in the US, granted. But the majority dna of the US population, and particularly of the white population has been German for decades. Even back in the '60s, according to Herbie's world view, we had just as many "Assyrians" in our classrooms as "Israelites". We also had numerous Italians, Polish, Dutch, Jews, Slavs, and other white minorities. The basis for Herbie's prophecy mold was always speculative fantasy, never factual. It's just that his deceptions were easier to pull off when the US appeared to be somewhat monolithic in its whiteness. Anyone who dug just a little deeper, even back then, could easily topple that house of cards. Most were lazy and didn't. They just bought into all of the fear he created, went through their own little Jeckyl-Hyde transformations, and so many have never made it back.

War punishes everyone. World War II depleted all of Europe, and Japan, and the Russians suffered catastrophically. The war pretty much spelled the end of European colonialism, and the British Empire never fully recovered its prior status as a world power. And, unbeknown to all of us, and our parents, Herbie had falsely prophesied that Hitler and Mussolini were the beast, and the war would end in Armageddon. He insisted Hitler was alive and in hiding well into the 1960s.

When a man spends a decade subjecting his daughter to incest, weird and distorted thoughts are going to come into play in every aspect of his life. Unfortunately, so many things we really needed to know were hidden and concealed from us.

BB

nck said...

BB 12:27,

First paragraph I thought worthwhile reading and I longed for more. How did that piece go from pretty good to entirely flawed.

In Herbist doctrine the Americans or Manassites were "sifted like the sand". That is good enough 19th century science without the DNA. When we include the DNA part one of the most powerful German states at the time was Saxony. The Saxons extend all the way into England. In Herbist doctrine Dutch were Zebulon. Not a minority one third of all white Americans descend from a lady emigrating to New Amsterdam around 1620. Polish. What is that? Could be Germanic, Slav or Jewish in 1920.

Eyetalians yes that cursed catholic breed that prompted protestand america around 1900 to put in place restrictive regulations to halt the influx of that people being loyal to a foreign head of state, being the pope.

British Empire never recovered? Not in a political sense. In economic sense the British Empire is alive and kicking from the hallowed grounds of the private enterprise "City of London" controlling economies as never before. Although the power of five eyes is of course entirely american.

hwa being one of the instruments during the cold war to cement that alliance during the cold war through "soft power." A diplomatic tool ALL professional diplomats are currently lamenting is quickly dissolving under the Trump administration.

nck

Anonymous said...

True Bread 7:28 PM, I looked at some of your suggested links, and I read where you wrote:

"...Seven Heads: G7, the "Global" gang of industrialized nations, which is a part of the G8/G20 group of world leaders.
Ten Horns: the "Ten Zones" of the planet that has been pre-determined by the "Club of Rome" and the Committee of 300, that basically controls and runs the entire planet, started by none other than David Rockefeller himself.
Now, please someone tell me.... what else on this entire earth even comes close to this exact line-up of seven powerful world rulers, controlling 10 zones of a split-up planet...??? THERE IS NOTHING ELSE....!!! ..."

You need to revise your theory regarding the Seven Heads if you rely upon what John was inspired to write in Revelation 17. For example:

Revelation 17:9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

The Roman Empire was in existence when John was inspired to write those words, so the "one is" is the Roman Empire.

Your theory makes no sense.

John



Anonymous said...

nck: "Eyetalians yes that cursed catholic breed that prompted protestand america around 1900 to put in place restrictive regulations to halt the influx of that people being loyal to a foreign head of state, being the pope."

I do hope you're simply being witty and sarcastic here considering imho the Italians have suffered and still suffer under the weight of Catholicism. I admit their loyalty to God is misplaced by their loyalty to Popery and its teachings, but they are not alone in this delusion. Other Europeans including the Germans, Irish, French, Polish, etc. are heavily Roman Catholic and like the Italians have been discriminated against because of their faith and misperceived loyalty. I think of the American president JFK as a prominent example as he was looked upon with suspicion by American Protestants and yet it was his Protestant VP who was more than likely involved in his murder and with the escalation of the Vietnam War caused the needless deaths of an entire generation of young men! And now with the influx of Muslims loyal to a pagan idol god and 6th century Arabian culture America finds itself in a much worse position imho than it was 100 years ago. She is sowing the wind and is about to reap the whirlwind... *facepalm*

nck said...

I was being witty, yes. But not sarcastic. I was mirroring both the sentiment an immigration laws reflecting protestant anxiety around the turn of the 20th century in the US.

You mention the popes religious affiliation. The anxiety mirrored also and perhaps even moreso that the pope was a prince and foreign head of state, troublesome to the culture bearers of the ascending US state and the perceived loyalties of the wave of immigrants from the mediteranean areas INCLUDING the askenazi from beyond the pale, prompting quota and restrictive legislation.

Nck

True Bread said...

Hi John, thanks for the comment.

I do not understand everything in Revelation, but the facts on the ground are what they are...

is there a political block on the earth today with "seven heads"..?? YES (G7)
is there a political block on the earth with ten zones...??? YES (club of Rome)
is there a "King of the North on the earth today...?? YES (USA/NATO/UN/EU/Israel)
is there a "King of the South on the earth today...?? YES (Muslim nations, Levant)
is there a "Kings of the East" on the earth today...?? YES (Russia/China)

your turn...


Keep the faith,


Todd

True Bread said...

Dr Paul Craig Roberts demolishing HWA's pet theory on prophecy and the EU....

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2017/06/05/washingtons-empire-not-unraveling/