"...I have the authority
to tell you to do it... I have the moral and
spiritual, and ecclesiastical authority to tell you to do what I have also
done"
David C
Pack
The Clarion
Call
Actually, no...David C. Pack has no authority
, moral, spiritual or ecclesiastical over anyone. Any authority he claims
to have is self appointed authority. Recall how David became an
Apostle. He declared himself one based on his ideas of all that he
believes went before him and pointed to this obvious conclusion. Obvious
to him maybe but not so obvious to the rest of mankind.
He's doing it again with the lie that somehow
a minor prophet in Israel, 2500 years ago actually had David in mind as the
fulfillment of the mere type Joshua the High Priest was in Haggai's day.
Well, perhaps Haggai was not in on the ultimate truth and it is God who knew
David C. Pack was the chosen one millennia into the future. Of course, God
isn't talking so one is stuck with David C Pack's explanation of this
truth. The problem is that it is not true in the least. It is made
up truth. It is a theological fairy tale. It is an analogy gone
berserk and man spiraling out of moral, spiritual and ecclesiastical
control.
I personally feel that David C Pack's The Clarion
Call, will prove to be one of the greatest public speaking mistakes an
authoritarian minister such as Dave could have made. Few comment on its
aggressive and threatening tone. Perhaps only the theologically brain dead
have no reaction other than obeying it, but I can't imagine most aren't appalled
by the sheer arrogance and aggressive bullying it contains.
Again, some of David C Pack's more notable and
outright lies about what you must do or how you can go about it to "pull big
triggers" and deplete your own resources and increase his. I suppose if
you do so you can claim to be a type of John the Baptist in that "I must
decrease while you must increase."
Lie #1
"Husbands...'well, my wife is not in the church'...tell her...'you don't have a voice woman' ""Go get those assets and get them here"
If you can't perceive this is a lie, no one can help you.
Even I recall there is neither male nor female, bond or free that does not have
equality in the genuine teachings of Jesus. Galatians 3:28. Women
have plenty of voice in the real world and are every bit the equal of men. To
believe otherwise is fundamentalist blather.
Lie
#2
"We are not a
splinter"
Of course you are. Splinter may be too generous but you have
splintered off of three religious organizations before coming to rest in your
own. The reason you are the head of your own religious organization is
that you have never been able to successfully work WITH anyone without taking
over. It's just the kind of person you are. In the business world
it's called not being a team player. It's also called going rogue because
you so badly want to be what you want to be when others question
it.
Lie #3
"I'll say it again, we are talking about liquidating existing assets...it all belongs to God and the brethren"
Actually, no. One's resources
belong to THEM. No real God actually needs your money and it certainly
does not belong to the brethren nor do their resources belong to you. I
bet anything that if I asked for Dave's Cup of Elijah to put on my desk for a
bit he'd say no. Can I borrow your car? No! Can I live in your
house rent free? No! God owns the cattle on a thousand
hills. If God needs actual money, He can sell some of those without any
pain or sacrifice on the part of the brethren. You may give as you are
able to whomever you wish for whatever reasons, but it is yours to give and not
theirs to take. It's "Give as you are able," not "Give as you are
told."
Lie # 4
"If you are not ready to distribute what you have...you don't believe the flow of prophecy"
Wrong...First of all don't tell people what
they believe or don't believe and secondly
disconnect that belief or disbelief from proving it by sending money to the
Apostle. That is manipulation at its worse. Frankly, whatever flow of
prophecy the Apostle Josh believes he understands is questionable at best.
It's a line that has been used on humans for at least the past 2000 years.
Lie # 5
"This is announcing the last blast, the clarion call as it were, to finish the work...Whether it is 4,5,7, 9 years to go, God knows"
Of course it is
not the last anything and this was spoken five years ago. There will be
many more last blasts because last blasts motivate. Last blasts are like
soons, shortlys and August 30, 2013s.
Lie #
6
"Get it now when it requires faith... when you are dead
you don't need it... if you named us in your wills, it can take us months or
years to get it"
"The wives in the faith will say give everything you can...We don't have the luxury of waiting years...today, leaving everything in your will simply doesn't work"
"The wives in the faith will say give everything you can...We don't have the luxury of waiting years...today, leaving everything in your will simply doesn't work"
What do you mean "we"? You
maybe. However, this has a smattering of truth in it but the one
glaring problem is that one is not yet dead and therefore does need their
resources to live. I don't need resources when I am dead. I do, however
need food and shelter while alive. Now this may be a call to die so Josh
can live but that's not a good enough reason to send in your estate proceeds
before you actually die. This is a pretty lame statement actually and one
could just as easily ask The Apostle Josh to sell his campus now so when he dies
the brethren aren't stuck with having it hauled away in trucks or turned into
Condos for retiring ministers in LCG, UCG or
PCG.
Lie #
7
"Now you just have a second mortgage... and frankly we flee before most of it ever becomes due"
Oh now...this
is a doozy. Even sounds like deliberate fraud to me but what do I
know. Someone needs to tell Dave's creditors, well if it is not just you,
of his real loan repayment
plan.
And fix what
you can...before you sell out
Lie #
8
"There is only two positions you can take
regarding all that I have mentioned, only two, there is no middle ground. You're
either going to yield, to submit and to follow, the clarion call that the time
is now or you're not."
Actually no, while I might not choose to
yield, to submit and to follow as you demand, I can do or not do it a
hundred different ways. There is always middle ground. That' why we read
dumb stuff in the Bible
like....
“Come now, let
us reason
together, says the Lord:though your sins are like scarlet,
they shall be as white as snow;
though they are red like crimson,
they shall become like wool."
they shall be as white as snow;
though they are red like crimson,
they shall become like wool."
Now if the Lord , of the Old Testament, can ask for us to
reason together, I'm sure you could be more polite and less into the only course
being that yield , submit and follow bullshit you come up with as one of
only two alternatives.
The point is that I can make my own
"give as I am able" choices. It's actually in the Bible. Well, it's
in the New Testament so if the Apostle Josh needs help finding it, easily done.
Lie
#9
"And this is the real test of Laodicea... either hold on to your assets... or give it... God is in this decision, no question."
Yes question and don't yell at us. The
admonition in Revelation to the Laodiceans had nothing to do with sending all
their money somewhere else to someone else to prove anything. . It's a
statement of spiritual commitment and hanging in there unrelated to building an
empire for the Apostle.
Lie #
10
"This is the Laodicean age...Be careful that you don't tell us how to spend your assets... It belongs to God.. You don't tell God or His servants how to spend it"
No, you need to be careful how you ask for
my assets. If it truly belongs to God, you aren't him. So how about I
throw my assets up in the air and what goes up God can take and what comes down
he doesn't need and is mine? You already
used some
of my resources to buy that damn Cup of Elijah for $25,000 for you. Why on
earth would not think I might not wish to tell "God's servants" what I thought
about that? Do you ever say thank
you?
Lie
#11
"There is only
one place He works...Where the...work is...that's where God is working...one
elder commented here at headquarters, if people can't be motivated by a clarion
call to finish the work such as this, why will those same people somehow believe
the internal signal given to the church of the 1335? Why would they believe
it?"
Oh you are so
full of prunes. You are the only place you think your God is
working. And besides, how does this God communicate these facts and
realities to you? Feelings? Emotions? Egocentric
thinking? Voices in your head? Visions and hallucinations?
Mental illness? Hunches? Personal goals? None of these
are actually good enough reasons to think you are correct on this point. I don't
know where all God is working or even at times what he/she is thinking or up to,
but you only? I don't think so. And this "Internal Sign" thing
is a bit disturbing.
Lie #
12
"...Go get a big chunk out of your
house...their assets, IRAs, and pension funds...(e). Ask God to move specific
properties...that they have told us they want to sell. Pray that these
properties move...that is part of what this fast is
about"
Noooooo, this fast is about compliance and
doing what you are told. This fast was about giving members time to wallow
in fear, guilt and shame for being less than the kind of Christian the Apostle
Josh demands, for his sake, not God's, they be. Josh wanted you to get
close to his concept of god, not any real God. It is designed for you to
participate in group think and pressure. Did anyone finish this fast and
say, "God told me not to sell my house, give my retirement or pull any big
triggers at this time."? Probably not. Did everyone sent it
in? Probably not.
The Apostle Joshua C. Pack and all other
human beings , be they preachers, ministers, apostles, prophets or lunatics do
not have the authority to tell you anything or command you do anything.
They can of course put you out of their organization for not doing so, but in
the real world that would be called a blessing. Reclaim you own power when
it comes to these ridiculous declarations of how an Almighty God thinks, what He
needs, who HE likes and doesn't and what on His or Her green Earth He/She is
doing. The only person you will ever hear "Depart from me, I
never knew you," will be the Apostle Josh should you ever ask for your monies
back to live your actual life and not the fake one Josh has planned for you if
you do as you are told and believe with all your heart that he actually has
moral, spiritual and ecclesiastical authority over you. He does not. No
one does unless by your permission.
