COG Group Needs Binoculars In Order To Please It's "god"

The Chief Pharisee of Canada has been busy lately trying to see when the new moon was to happen so he can toot a horn.  Because the law is more important than loving one's neighbor, it is vital that his followers still pretend to be Jewish and keep the miniscule letter of the law.

The lengths Malm and his few acolytes go to in order to be "righteous" is exhausting and totally unnecessary.

Dr. Roy Hoffman of the Israel New moon Society saw the new moon this evening.  He is a highly experienced and skilled observer and had to first find the very faint moon by binoculars, then once the moon was located he could see it with his naked eyes and did manage to get a faint picture.  He was the only searcher who did see the new moon.  

On the grounds that: 

1.  Only one person saw the first light of the new moon, even though he was able to take a faint picture [cameras not being available during the Temple period]

2.   and  that even he, a highly experienced expert, needed binoculars [binoculars were not available during the Temple period or before] to find the faint moon before he could see it by naked eye: 

I find that a new moon would NOT have been declared for this evening during Temple times.   

If anyone would like to comment on this please contact me at jddm3@hotmail.com

 The new moon and first day of the fourth biblical month will therefore begin at sunset tomorrow evening ending Wednesday, and making all day Thursday the New Moon Day. 

When you read Malm's nonsense you can see why he finds Jesus so disturbing and cannot talk about him.  Can you imagine Malm ever discussing this:

Matthew 11:30The Message (MSG)28-30 “Are you tired? Worn out? Burned out on religion? Come to me. Get away with me and you’ll recover your life. I’ll show you how to take a real rest. Walk with me and work with me—watch how I do it. Learn the unforced rhythms of grace. I won’t lay anything heavy or ill-fitting on you. Keep company with me and you’ll learn to live freely and lightly.”

Just sayin... Ken Ham’s Ark Encounter Is Child Abuse

Just sayin...  Ken Ham’s Ark Encounter Is Child Abuse

July 6, 2016 by Michael Stone

Convincing children creationism is true constitutes intellectual child abuse.

Ken Ham’s Ark Encounter is a Christian fundamentalist project based on discredited science and a literal interpretation of Genesis.

The The life-size version of Noah’s Ark is located in Williamstown, Ky., just south of Cincinnati, Ohio, and is designed to be an exercise in Christian propaganda: a deplorable attempt to deceive children and others by denying the scientific reality of biological evolution and promoting Christian mythology as scientific fact.

The 500-foot-long, $100 million ark opens to the public on Thursday.

Ark Encounter is dedicated to indoctrinating children with ridiculous and discredited claims from the dubious field of “creation science,” claims such as the earth is only 6,000-years-old, that human beings and dinosaurs lived on the earth at the same time, and that the story of Noah’s Ark is true.

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The truth is that there is no scientific controversy concerning evolution. The assumption that creationism, or intelligent design, constitutes a legitimate scientific alternative to the theory of evolution is simply false.

Simply put, creationism is not a legitimate scientific alternative to the theory of evolution. And preventing children from learning the truth about the world, like teaching children that creationism is an acceptable scientific explanation for the diversity of life on Earth, is a form of child abuse.

Bottom line: By teaching children creationism is a legitimate scientific theory that disproves the theory of evolution, Ken Ham’s Ark Encounter is engaged in a despicable form of intellectual child abuse.

The list of topics taught by the COG's that are totally erroneous and mistaken is probably endless. All Apostle types, That or Those Prophets, Joshua's, Zerubbabels, Those spoken of by the Prophet Haggai and all of their lesser minister types are poorly educated in the realities of science well done opting more for the dismissive and  anti-intellectual attitude of  calling anything they don't understand or that upsets their Bronze Age views as "Science Falsely So-Called."  

The ministry of the WCG was poorly trained in theology much less science and it is even more ignorant to this day because of merely trying to copy the past mistakes and ignorance to keep their perceived glory days going at least until the end of their unchanged in a moment and the twinkling of an eye lives.

One only need ask "what new things have I learned about the Bible, its origins, intent, politic and historical accuracy and presentation in the last 50 years" to see how backward their views still are. Jesus being the same yesterday, today and forever was the unfortunate cue for them to feel they needed to do the same intellectually.  And they have held their ground in their ignorance against all we as a species have learned about ourselves, our history and our origins very well.  They have to I suppose for once you get stuck in telling and loving "the Old Old Story" you are stuck indeed. 

 Dave Pack boasts that he learned the truth of , or mistaken truth, of evolution 50 years ago.  I was in that same "Genesis Flood" Bible class and I can tell you it was bogus and beyond stupid in my own hind sight.  We have learned more about evolution and Biblical issues and difficulties over the past 20 years than n the previous "6,000".  To even say such a thing as if it was a good thing is both arrogant and ignorant beyond measure.  

Have you ever heard the words or admission "We were mistaken" or "I was mistaken" from any of the leadership of the splits, splinters and slivers, like Dave Pack, Gerald Flurry or Rod Meredith?  Joe Tkach doesn't count either as he has gone on to adopt new and improved falsehoods in his reinvention of the wheel of theology.  One read or listen to any presentation of "The Surprising God" perspectives on all things God, Jesus and The Enigmatic Holy Spirit should convince you of what word salad means.  Maybe it's just me and my early life questions and problems with growing up in a Trinitarian Church before WCG.  as a kid.  I never liked that answer.  That always meant to me "we have no idea" but you are to stay put and have faith.  As I got older I learned faith is what one had before the facts eradicated it.

http://thesurprisinggodblog.gci.org/

Very little of what LCG, PCG and RCG teach is actually true.  They are perpetuating ignorance in both theology and science to yet another generation of well meaning  but nonetheless  "just tell me what to believe" men, women and children who ultimately won't be served well by it all.

Recently in a rebuttal to the view that the Book of Revelation is a failed first century prophecy written only to the holders on during the Roman siege of Jerusalem back in the day, someone proved how modern and yet to be Revelation was because it spoke of armies of 200 million, which were impossible back in those days.  Of course the answer to that would be a good study in Biblical hyperbole and it's use but those kinds of concepts escape literalists.  The concept of Midrash in writing the New Testament story of Jesus and how it makes the Old Testament look like it so accurately predicts the New is also not a concept understood or even heard of by COG ministers much less members in their study of scripture.  

And science well done?  Well all we have to recall is "A Theory for the Birds" and "A Whale of a Tale" to understand just how little WCG and Ted Armstrong understood about evolution.  In Dave Pack's recent mistaken series on Evolution, Dave harkens back to those booklets and uses them just as they were used 50 years ago as well as many other now totally discredited "facts".  Sad and pathetic actually for a man who is touted as "very intelligent".  Ignorance posing as intelligence is merely being clever which is not the same as truthful and professional. 

In theology, the leadership and ministry have much of it wrong.  In science, they have just about all of it wrong.

Sometimes there is a way that seems right to a man because it is right.  Sometimes the wisdom of man is really wise and the foolishness of the gods or his representatives is really foolish. Sometimes man sees not as a god sees because the author who told us what the god saw was mistaken.  The science that is falsely so called is only  false to those who refuse to see the truth of it because it upsets the apple cart of their cherished beliefs though beliefs are not the same as what is actually true.

In science well done,  "If you can't show it,  you don't know it".  But in the theology of the COGs,  if you can't show it,  it's just a mystery and it would  be in your best interest to simply pray, pay, obey and stay put....which is intellectual abuse for both adults and children at its worse.

What's Your Favorite Stupid Church of God Story?

The following story was discussed on other group the other day and goes to show how SICK Armstrongism is with it's magical god and stupid stories.  What stupid story do you remember?

Anyone ever hear of the story which circulated about a situation at a feast site where a toilet was plugged up in the mens' restroom and several men were standing around, discussing how to unplug it? The story goes that this set of circumstances arose and some stranger stepped out from behind the group and reached down inside the toilet bowl and unclogged it with his hand. Then, he left the bathroom. Somebody tried to follow him, and when he stepped outside the restroom door, the stranger was totally vanished. So, the story got around that angel stepped in to save the day at the feast, and that other angels were among us, but we couldn't see them. Believe it or not, our congregational Super Hero actually performed a copy-cat act to this story! One sabbath not too long after that story first circulated, we had a clogged toilet in the ladies restroom at our local church meeting hall. When the ladies reported it to "Mr.Gung Ho," he had to replicate the angel in the story, and so he went in there and reached down and unclogged that toilet with his hand. He was the same Super Hero who studied Arabic so that when WCG fled to the place of safety, he'd be able to communicate with the locals in their native tongue and serve as a go-between between us and them.

Davey Pack: All Splinter Ministers Are REQUIRED To Answer These 35 Questions And Are NOT To Discuss These Answers With ANYONE Except ME!!!!!!!!!!

A rerun of Dave Pack's expectations of his ministers:



Get out your pen and paper guys, you have some work to do before you jump ship to Joshua Packland.  Those of you ordained in the old WCG are guilty of dereliction of duty and will be held accountable!

Important Questionnaire

A crucial series of questions present themselves before every shepherd of any rank. As you read, think hard—very, very hard!—about your original calling to serve in one or more offices under the sure guidance and direction of Christ as Head of His Church. Ask yourself each difficult question today’s circumstances require you to answer. Do not permit yourself to look away from hard realities now confronting all of God’s ­people.

In every age of His Church, Christ’s sheep have needed shepherds. Those with special leadership training and experience from the past will be held accountable in a greater way than all others (Jms. 3:1-2). Dereliction of duty by those “to whom much was given” will mean that “much will be required” of them some day (Luke 12:48). Take a deep breath and think of yourself standing before the “judgment seat” of Christ (II Cor. 5:10). You will be forced to give answers to HIM then if you are unwilling to demand them of YOURSELF ­now.

The millions constituting the physical remnant of modern Israel returning from captivity are foretold to come “weeping and loathing themselves” for having rejected God’s Way (Jer. 50:4-5; Ezek. 6:8-9). What about the spiritual remnant, who once knew that Way, but largely left it? Will/does this describe you? Read the above verses, and then read the following questions slowly, carefully and prayerfully. They are the biggest way that the ministry should “consider their ways.” Consider writing out the answers:

Did some of you lazy ass ministers retire?  God is going to hold you accountable for that!  Bad boy!  Bad, bad, bad boy!

(1) Retirement—Mr. Armstrong taught that retirement is not an option for a true minister.

• Did you retire? If so, when, and why did you think yourself an exception?

Did you leave the career ministry and get another job?  Your ass is grass too!

(2) Non-Career—Mr. Armstrong taught that “going non-career” is not an option for a true minister.

• Did you do this? If so, why did you think yourself an exception?

Did you ever dare to question doctrine or the right of HWA to set doctrine?  If you did you ass is grass again!

(3) Established Doctrine and Tradition

• In what doctrines or traditions do you believe Mr. Armstrong “got it wrong”? (Include all areas—be specific.)

Were you a liberal pussy boy in the 80's and 90's?

 (4) Did you actively resist false doctrine in your ministry?—or give safe sermons where you disagreed? (Be specific.)

• During the liberal years of the 1970s?
• In the WCG in the late 1980s and early 90s?
• In your splinter or splinters?

 Did you agree with some of the changes Tkach Sr. brought about?  If you did your ass is grass again!

(5) On each doctrine where you came to agree with God’s enemies—either Joe Tkach, those who assisted his destruction or your splinter leader—why did you agree?

Why would you even assume that I want you back in the church under me?  You pathetic worthless scum!

(6) Why should you still be considered for the ministry in God’s Church?

• Why should God’s flock ever again be entrusted to your care?
• Are you prepared to re-win brethren’s trust, including brethren now here whom you will likely also pastor? What about re-winning the trust of Headquarters?

Have you been diligently searching for the one true church that is building buildings and using cable TV?  These are important indications on who has the worlds most superfantabulous COG EVER!

(7) Did you actively pursue where God’s Truth, Church, Work, College and Government were found?

• If not, why not? Be specific.
• If so, how hard? Be specific.

Have you ever read any of MY propaganda on how I formed this church and studied at HWA's feet?

(8) Have you read or viewed any of our Splinter Explanation Packet material?

• What items? Ÿ Did you at any time hear my “30 Reasons” sermons of 1993 and 1994? (Parts 1, 2 or 3?)

Do you believe that I, Dave, am THE man who now heads up the worlds most superfantabulous COG EVER???????

 (9) Do you now believe again that Christ works solely through one unified organization?

 Are you submissive to church government? Are you too stupid to not see that my church is the only church that has it??????

(10) In light of government(s) you followed, how do you see God’s government today?

Are you still worshiping at the altar of Herbert Armstrong? In order for me to be Joshua, Herb had to be Zerub, get that through your thick heads!

(11) Have you returned to believing that Mr. Armstrong was the final “Elijah”?—and Zerubbabel?

Have you forgotten that only the Dear Leader can make decisions in the church?  No council of elders, no board of directors, NO ONE but MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

(12) Have you returned to believing that truth only enters the Church through apostles as Mr. Armstrong said so often?

(13) Do you believe I Corinthians 12:18 applies to you with no qualifications added?

(14) Do you believe there can be exceptions to I Corinthians 1:10 and 13—regarding members or ministers in the Church?

Are you willing to let me humiliate you into submission?

(15) Are you willing to temporarily or permanently become an associate pastor?

Are you willing to let me publicly humiliate you in front of the church until you kneel at my feet begging forgiveness?

(16) Are you willing to be excluded from the ministry until you requalify?

Are you ready to acknowledge that I have the capacity to add new doctrine to the church and to not be questioned about it?

(17) Are you familiar with the new teachings that God has added to His Church on top of what Mr. Armstrong taught?

• Which ones?—and do you agree?

Are you willing to go top my reeducation camp where you will be trained to discard anything you think you know and learn MY way?

(18) If your ordination(s) is(are) invalid, are you interested in being re-trained for Christ’s true ministry?

Are you stupid enough to believe that you have a voice in ANYTHING or that I even care what you think?

(19) Do you believe ministers should be able to voice opinions to others about:

• Where Headquarters is “wrong”?
• What Mr. Armstrong taught/said/did “wrong”?
• What Mr. Pack teaches/says/does “wrong”?
• Where your boss is “wrong” or harsh, etc.?
• Where you disagree doctrinally?

Are you a weak effeminate pussy-boy who has betrayed his calling?

(20) Do you consider yourself as having been (rate yourself from 5 being best to 0 being worst):

• Weak
• Cowardly
• Slothful
• Covetous
• Confused
• Compromising
• Foolish
• Political (And did you ever “run for office” in a splinter?)
• Heretical
• Deceitful
• Easily deceived
• Betrayed your calling

Why are you so stupid?

(21) Why did you lose the ability to “discern good from evil” (Heb. 5:13-14)?—and for so long?

You really are stupid if you think I am going to give you back your ranking once you join my church.

(22) What do you consider to be your ministerial rank?
Ÿ Evangelist Ÿ Pastor Ÿ Preaching Elder Ÿ Local Elder Ÿ Local Church Elder Ÿ “Elder” Ÿ Ministerial Assistant

Are you prepared to spend the rest of your life begging forgiveness for the messes you have created?  Since I am Mr. Perfect and have no sin in my life, I will be here to guide you down that path.

(23) Are you prepared to dedicate the rest of your life to serving God’s flock and fixing completely the horrific mess you helped cause in so many lives?

Are you intelligent enough to recognize that I AM an apostle of God?  If Herb could be one, I want to be one too!

(24) In light of how you once saw Mr. Armstrong, do you still recognize the fruits of a true apostle when you see one?

• If you say yes, why did you follow Joe Tkach until he destroyed everything?

(25) Describe your spiritual condition today. (Also, rate your temperature from 0-10, with 10 the highest.)

(26) What 5 biggest lessons did you learn from and since the apostasy? (In order of importance.)

Did you fast before you answered all of these vitally  important questions?

(27) How many times did you fast for 24 hours (or more) before answering these questions?

 How many times did you pray to me for one hour or more?

(28) How many times have you prayed over Psalm 51 on your knees?

Since you are all weak impotent little men who could not take a stand on doctrine, how are you going to prove to me that you will accept ALL of my teachings without question?

(29) Having now long abandoned many doctrines you said you would never leave, how would you convince Headquarters that this time you “mean it” if you intend to now “hold fast” (Rev. 3:11)?

(30) What have been your pastoral actions during the troubles of recent weeks and months?

Are you prepared to be reeducated for one year or more, just like Dale Schurter was?

(31) Are you prepared to spend a full year (or more) catching up with all you must unlearn, relearn, and learn new?

Do you feel any responsibility for being a minister of a splinter group that has been cut off from my god?  It is all YOUR fault that the members were disfellowshipped.

(32) What personal responsibility do you feel for the deplorable condition into which God’s people have sunk?

How are you going to prove to ME that you are spirit led?

(33) How would you prove that you are still Spirit-led?—or were ever Spirit-led?

(34) What date did you leave the WCG, and why did you remain beyond May 1995, if this is the case?

(35) What did you do after reading the article “God’s People Back Together—SOON!”?

All of you weak impotent little men who pretend to ministers in the splinter groups you need to be aware that you will be REQUIRED to fill out a similar questionnaire in September when you try to join up with me.  Your wives are required to answer these questions too, as long as it pertains to submissive women's rules.

FINALLY:  You are NOT to discuss this or share it in anyway with ANYONE (expect with me, of course)

In due course, you will be asked to fill out a questionnaire that looks very similar to this list.
*No answers that are blank, “I’m not sure” or short responses will then be permitted.
*All wives should answer the questions, including every point applicable. (Some are obviously to be skipped.)
*Aware of recent history, and the lies and deceit of so many men and leaders, DO NOT LIE TO YOURSELF!
*You are encouraged not to discuss or in any way share your answers with anyone other than God and your spouse.

Rod Meredith Said It Was OK To Lie As Long As It Protected the Church

From a reader here:

When I was a student in Rod's class in Pasadena in 1967 I heard him say that it it OK to lie to protect the church or "the work". He suggested that one could make an untrue statement and then (in your head) add something to the statement or amend it in some way that would make it true. So, I would not believe anything that comes out of Rod's mouth on the witness stand because you don't know what he is blathering inside his own mind. He is simply not credible in any circumstances.