Monday, October 27, 2014

Joel Hilliker says : Only Those PCG Members Loyal To PCG HQ Will Have Special Access to JC in the Kingdom



Philadelphia Church of God mouthpiece Joel Hilliker wrote an article that was published on the PCG web site during the Feast of Tabernacles.  Joel has a long standing reputation from many who have been in his classes for being many watt's short of a bright light bulb.  He has had no education outside the cult system of Flurry/Armstrongism.  Reading excerpts below from his article will make that painfully obvious.

Gerald Furry and the PCG go to great lengths in ridiculing the Pope and the Catholic church of its power/revelation structure.  Through that haze of theological idiocy Hilliker and the rest of the PCG look upon Gerald Furry in the exact same way the loyal Catholics do the Pope.  
  • All governmental power emanates from God through Gerald Flurry to those below him.   The Pope is the spiritual leader of the church and all under him.   
  • All revealed knowledge and prophetic utterances come through Flurry directly from God.  All revealed knowledge comes through the Pope and is given to the church.
  • As Mary is an intermediary between humans and God, so is Herbert Armstrong an intermediary between humans and the "truth once restored."  That truth cannot be understood without knowing who Herbert Armstrong was and reading his words.
  • The Catholic Church is the true church of God.  The Philadelphia Church of God is the true church of God.
I mention this because Joel Hilliker only writes about what he has been personally taught by Gerald Flurry.  Because Gerald Flurry is the official mouthpiece of God through whom all theological wisdom emanates there is no reason in Hilliker's mind to do any research or to question these assumptions of his leader.

Given that, Hilliker writes to the membership of the PCG telling them about what life will be like in the Kingdom of God, specially for the elite who live on the cult Compound in Edmond, OK. Flurry as taught all these people that since they are the true Church and God is working solely with them, and that they are the true government of God on earth today, it is only natural that the Kingdom of God will include them in its power structure.

Hilliker writes:

God has always been headquarters minded. The temporal headquarters of His Work on Earth points people toward Him, and His dwelling place in the third heaven. It projects our minds forward to the time when God the Father Himself will descend to Earth and govern the universe from here! In truth, God Himself is headquarters!
What an extraordinary vision is wrapped up in headquarters, the place where God dwells. God always wants His headquarters to be a bright beacon of light to the world! He wants people's minds tied in to where the Head is.
 Like Herbert Armstrong, Flurry believes that God wants his cult compound to be the "light of the world" or in Dave Pack's case, the "city upon the hill."  God  has made COG cult compounds God's chosen properties in the world today.
In the days of King David, the headquarters of God's chosen nation was in Jerusalem. David wanted to build God a house there that would be "exceeding magnifical"—so magnificent that its splendor would actually bring people to God.
Flurry likes to use David, just as HWA did, in justifying the construction of opulent money sucking monstrosities dedicated to god.   If the building is dedicated to God then the membership would complain as much about  it as they would if it was called Gerald Flurry Auditorium.
He instructed his son Solomon in that stirring headquarters vision, and Solomon built the temple. When the queen of Sheba visited, she was so impressed that she uttered, "Blessed be the Lord thy God"! (1 Kings 10:9). God's earthly headquarters pointed this queen to God, just as King David and God intended. She was moved to contribute wealth to this glorious project (verse 10). She left God's earthly headquarters inspired and filled with vision!
God apparently inspired Flurry to build his monument to himself just like HWA was inspired to build his monument to himself.  Both worked/work as hard as they can to impress the world around them  Its important to these men to be seen as important.
This same scene played out over and over. People came from all over to witness the magnificence of God's headquarters with their own eyes. Kings gave of their treasure, adding to the treasure the Israelites gave. Verse 14 shows that, in a single year, well over half a billion dollars' worth of gold (in today's value) came in!
This is thee same message HWA forced upon the membership to fund his auditorium and opulent lifestyle. The lowly church members need to see what the finest things are in life in order to be prepared to live in the world tomorrow where riches will be for everyone.  It does not matter that the PCG and other COG's suck the money out of members pockets to the point their live lives of poverty.  They will receive their reward later in life so why worry about now.
Physically, what we have at God's headquarters today isn't nearly so impressive. But spiritually, there is something far more impressive happening here. Visiting the headquarters of God's Church in Edmond, Oklahoma, is a special experience. You can sense God's Spirit here. It is a place of peace and joy. To God's people, it feels like home. And God ties us all in with it directly since we fund it through our offerings and contributions. This campus combines the collective energies of those who work here and our worldwide family of co-workers. We all have our role to play in making this the finest headquarters it can be. That's why it is so moving to God's people when they visit Edmond. We can get a sense of what stirred the queen of Sheba and others.
Hilliker wants all loyal PCG members to know that the Edmond Compound is the most godly place on earth today.  Everyone lives in a state of bliss and enlightenment 24/7:
That feeling of awe, respect, joy and peace we experience in Edmond is exactly the feeling that people the world over will have about God's headquarters on Earth in the World Tomorrow! And, once again, that headquarters will be Jerusalem.
So what is that headquarters going to be like for the world at large?  After God spanks the world with death and destruction, the PCG membership will kick into action.  They will be constructing the kingdom of God where all people will come.
Once people have been humbled, we will begin to build in them a habit of focusing on God—and on God's headquarters. "God will reach into the lives of every repentant person on Earth—from Jerusalem" (ibid).
The most important building in Flurry's kingdom will be the Temple located in Jerusalem:
And the most prominent structure within Jerusalem will be the headquarters temple. The mountain of God's house will be established as the highest of the mountains, and exalted above the hills (Isaiah 2:2; Micah 4:1; Zechariah 8:3). The temple will dominate the landscape at the headquarters city, helping people look to where Christ is!
In the thirteen acre temple where God will have his management office, the membership of the PCG will also be living and having offices.  Since they will be gods as God is now, it is only right that they get to an office next door to God. OF course this will not be any of the rank and file of the PCG, it will only be the elite from the compound in Edmond that will have their offices there.
The Millennial Temple
The Prophet Ezekiel describes that temple in wonderful detail. It will be patterned after God's heavenly temple, the seat of His throne today. It will have a footprint of half a million square feet, occupying about 13 acres. That is where God's Philadelphians of today will live!

The outer precinct around the temple, described in the last nine chapters of Ezekiel, will occupy about one square mile of land. The headquarters city itself will only be about 7½ miles square. Considering that it will be the command center for the whole world's system of governing, that is quite an efficient headquarters facility.
Flurry and his elite can't wait to be married to their HUSBAND where they can rule.
What an exciting future we have to look forward to, living and working with our Husband in that headquarters facility. Being a priest at headquarters is a wonderful thing—even today. It is a great blessing to be stationed right in the middle of all the action. In that future headquarters, surely we will often shake our heads and say, What a privilege!
This "husband" thing starting to sweep through Armstrongism is weird and illogical.  This is what happens when you take things as 100% literal instead of using it as a metaphor for something even deeper in meaning.  Since Armstrongism is a totally superficial belief system, deep meaning cannot be found in it.

Only those loyal to Gerald Flurry and this cult HQ in this present age will be allowed to be in God's HQ.  Then to show how even more illogical Flurry is, he says that ONLY LOYAL PCG members in this age will be able to have special aaccess to Jesus in the world tomorrow.  They will be the ONLY ONES to have special access to come near to God.
Those who remain loyal to God today will inhabit special rooms in the headquarters temple. Our offices will be near God's office. We will have special access to Christ—the only ones who come near to God (Ezekiel 40:45-46; 44:15-16). As His helpmeet, we will serve Him—seeing to His needs, helping Him directly.
PCG members will also be Real Estate agent in the World Tomorrow in Jerusalem.  They will be maiking fortunes off those wanting to move to Jerusalem.  I guess that is part of the reasons Lil'Stevie bought his condo over looking the Mount of Olives.  He will get to see JC return and then be able to run his real estate agency from his condo.
Surely many people will want to live close to headquarters. Jeremiah 32:43-44 show that there will be an active real-estate industry in the areas around Jerusalem—the buying and selling of property. It will be the choicest place to live on Earth.
PCG will also be producing "Envoy's for all the gullible sheep to buy.  More money in their pockets!
Perhaps films or broadcasts will circulate around the world showing the latest developments in the building project. Publications like our college envoys might display beautiful photos of the temple and surrounding structures, the colleges, the entertainment productions, the city life, the people in the streets who are heroes like David. All the emotion and enthusiasm we have for God's headquarters today in Edmond will be multiplied by thousands and millions worldwide!
PCG members are being trained today by being forced to send in tithes, offerings to the Compound.  Members are told to sell homes, businesses and real estate in order to send it to Flurry so the Compound can be built even bigger.  It is a training exercise for the world tomorrow.
We've been trained by God to exhibit that headquarters focus today! Just as our tithes, offerings, labor, building fund contributions and sacrifices enable the construction of the facilities in Edmond today, those offerings in the future are going to build Jerusalem!
Flurry and crew are also going to be running he travel industry in the world tomorrow.  Withal those people flocking to Jerusalem someone needs to get them there and who better to do that than the PCG God's!
Clearly, we are going to need a travel industry in the World Tomorrow! We'll need some forms of rapid transportation to get people from distant continents to Jerusalem.
There is even more silliness that attempts to prove as fact on what he imagines the New Jerusalem to be like.  What more can you expect from a guy who has no real theological training.  Being trained at the feet of a narcissistic man who is also theological bankrupt does not produce wisdom or understanding.

You can read this pile of bullshit here:  A Visit to Millennial Headquarters!

43 comments:

Anonymous said...

WOW! He had better double up on his dosage of Thorazine and Haldol! This guy is DELUSIONAL.

Anonymous said...

Y'know, if I didn't know better, I'd say Mr. Hilliker dropped acid before setting out to produce this drivel.

Come to think of it, I DON'T know better.

Byker Bob said...

Sounds like they intend to send Jesus to some sort of behavioral modification classes prior to the Kingdom. He was known to interact socially with the types of people that the established church of His day reviled and considered as untouchables. They can't even let Jesus make this type of decision for Himself?

This dude ought to change his last name to "Helliker". This is worse than the Boanerges brothers!

BB

Anonymous said...

This is all very helpful.

If Gerald Flurry and HWA and their minions will be God in the world to come, then I EAGERLY CHOOSE THE LAKE OF FIRE!

Anonymous said...

I don't know if this is a somewhat hidden sarcastic comment on the original page, but I can hope.

"This is an extra ordinary bit of thinking. I am glad you have the ability to picture this for us, because I could never understand this vision so clearly without THIS imagery. It is giving me a new mind-set. I am going to be able to do this. Thank you thank you"

Anonymous said...

Will Six Pack and HWA have special memberships on the golf course? Will there be an auditorium devoted to Stephen Flurries' art of the river dance? How about a designated public place to abandon your special needs children?

Anonymous said...


Anonymous said...

"...I EAGERLY CHOOSE THE LAKE OF FIRE!"



Why would you want to go there? That is where all the really bad people (like axe murderers) will be. Gerald Flurry will be there. Very poor choice!

Anonymous said...

"Meine Fantasie" by Joel Hitler.

James said...

Churches. Where evil people go to hide their sins.

Anonymous said...


"Joel HellLiker says : Only Those PCG Members Loyal To PCG HQ Will Have Special Access to JC in the Kingdom"


People need to read the Bible for themselves and see what it really says before they fall for some false prophet and his stooges. Often, the Bible says the exact, diametrical opposite of what these characters say.

For example, the Bible indicates that PCG members will NOT be in the new Jerusalem AT ALL. It says, “But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur” (Revelation 21:8, NIV).

Connie Schmidt said...

I guess the reality that we are the "Temple of God", within our persons, is lost on this guy.

Anonymous said...

Eat your heart out, Dave Pack!

Ronco

Anonymous said...

Nice. And those who fail to make their investments in Jesus-dollar-denominated-financial-instruments will be destitute in the Jesus-afterlife, I suppose. Where is there a broker for Jesus-dollar-denominated-financial-instruments? Oh, there aren't any such brokers? Well then, I guess our Jesus-afterlife-poverty is a foregone conclusion then, isn't it? Except that it isn't because we have no warrant to suspect there is any Jesus-afterlife, just like we have no warrant to suspect there is any Olympus-afterlife, or Valhalla-afterlife, or any other type of afterlife.

Oh, the humanity! And the special pleading too, let's not forget about that. Let me start over again. Oh, the humanity and the special pleading! There. Geez. The only reason why the Hindenburg of christianity isn't going up in flames, is because it's imaginary. Imaginary hydrogen doesn't burn.

Anonymous said...

So, it's like having a backstage pass at a William Hung concert?

Redfox712 said...

Gerald Flurry expects his followers to be on a "spiritual high". It is only in a state of altered consciousness like that that any of this drivel makes sense.

God is present in a special and powerful way on His
Sabbath day. The Sabbath, instead of being a burden, should
leave us on a spiritual high.
This is where Christ and the
firstfruits will begin to change the whole world! This is
where God started working with His end-time Elijah, Herbert
W. Armstrong. This is where it all starts! We must learn this
lesson if we are to rule the world with Christ." (Gerald Flurry, Jeremiah and the Greatest Vision in the Bible, Chapter 8, p. 103.)

"“Ye have said, It is vain to serve God: and what profit is it that we have kept his ordinance, and that we have walked mournfully before the Lord of hosts?” (verse 14). They don’t do God’s work, because it’s vain to them. And they’re walking around mournfully because of it. But God wants us to have real joy. If we go through life mournfully, then something is wrong; we’re not using that Spirit the way we should. We should be on a spiritual high most of the time. Of course we have trials and may struggle at times to fight depression, but the Laodiceans have a mournful way of life. They even admit it." (Gerald Flurry, The God Family Vision, Chapter 8, p. 130.)

Of course Flurry wants his followers to be on a spiritual high. He knows they are much more open to suggestions when they are like that.

Anonymous said...

You people and this site disgust me! Mr. Hilliker is a man of God who IS educated in the truth and not the lies of a seminary or a university. Satan is using you to turn people away from God the Father who IS using Mr. Flurry and the Philadelphia Church of God as a witness to the apostate COG's who are Laodicean so that they wake up and share with us in God's eternal glory. You are destined to the lake of fire if you do not repent of this damnable heretical site and the lies you spread about God's ministers and prophets.

Anonymous said...

This anonymous PCG member writing like pre-Renaissance Catholic, (afterall, PCG still lives in the Dark Ages) as usual makes the Lake of Fire as the major element of fear (second in place of course is being cast in the Great Tribulation) should be cast out by Flurry for reading this blog. I wonder if this PCG writer also visits gay bars and houses of prostitutions where he should't be, on the pretext of evangelizing. He has no business being here. He should be the one repenting for entering blog sites inimical to the interests of Flurry and his cult.

Anonymous said...

I personally believe that this anonymous PCG member writing in defense of Mr. Hihihiker is the one destined to be in the lake of fire for not repenting of cultic and blind devotion to Flurritic myths and lies. What is he doing here? This is a place of vipers and snakes. I suspect he is also a regular customer of gay bars and other places where PCG's are not supposed to be. It is his heresies and devotion to false prophets and ministers and being in places where PCG's should not be that will automatically bring him to the lake of fire. Repent!

Anonymous said...

I personally believe that this anonymous PCG member writing in defense of Mr. Hihihiker is the one destined to be in the lake of fire for not repenting of cultic and blind devotion to Flurritic myths and lies. What is he doing here? This is a place of vipers and snakes. I suspect he is also a regular customer of massage parlors, red district, gay spas, porno web sites, and other places where PCG's are not supposed to be. It is his heretical beliefs inconsistent with Christ teachings and devotion to false prophets and ministers and being in places where PCG's should not be that will automatically bring him to the lake of fire. Repent! What a hypocrite we have here. Entering sites forbidden to PCG members. Flurry should find this out and cast him out.

Redfox712 said...

That comment by the PCG member is most fascinating to me.

>>Mr. Hilliker is a man of God who IS educated in the truth and not the lies of a seminary or a university.<<

OK. So you think educational institutions should only teach what you think is true? That is not how education works.

>>Satan is using you to turn people away from God the Father ...<<

How on Earth are we doing this? By saying that Gerald Flurry says things that are not true?

How convenient for you to think that anyone who disagrees with what PCG teaches are tools of Satan. You can just ignore anything they say even if it happens to be totally true.

>>God the Father ... IS using Mr. Flurry and the Philadelphia Church of God as a witness to the apostate COG's who are Laodicean so that they wake up and share with us in God's eternal glory.<<

How many "Laodiceans" have actually converted and joined PCG in the last five years? If it is really the (or a) commission of PCG to get the other COG groups into PCG then clearly PCG has been a complete and total failure in persuading anyone to join.

And if converting the other COG groups was really so important to Flurry and Co. why did they spend more then a year's worth of income that you, PCG commenter, sent them into building Armstrong Auditorium?

As far as I can tell PCG went through your typical advertizing boom and bust. It spread widely (went viral you could say) among disaffected WCG members in the 1990s as the Tkach changes proceeded. But eventually it reached saturation and gradually stopped growing among WCG members. The situation stabilized as they do. Also Flurry was not particularly important within HWA's WCG so he could not attract the largest following out of Tkach's WCG.

Actually the real reason the other COG groups are constantly demonized as fated to be in the Great Tribulation is to make you not pay attention to them or listen to them.

I well remember the first time I watched one of UCG's telecasts. I knew UCG was related to LCG and PCG. But even then I was shocked, utterly shocked, to see that they taught so much of what I had learned from LCG. They were not that different from LCG.

It seems to me that the other COG groups are demonized in order to prevent PCG members from noticing how similar the other COG groups are to them. This seems to be a classic example of information control.

Also there is nothing noble or generous about shunning people. Shunning is a brutal attempt to control people as vicious as a flying wooden baton.

PCG's leaders have strong motives to make the lay members avoid ex-members and the other COG groups. They were just ordinary men within HWA's WCG. But PCG has made them the masters of thousands (still smaller then Tkach's WCG, UCG and LCG though) with about $19 million going into their coffers a year. They are having the time of their lives and they certainly will try to protect the power and privilege they now have. And they know if a mass defection occurs the party will be over for them. And that is why shunning occurs in groups like this.

To me this comment only exposes how peoples' minds have been warped and certainly will not make me or hardly anyone else considering joining your church.

EX-PCG said...

If Joel Hilliker is such a man of God...why isn't he pointing people to God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Bible?

Instead, he directs people to a physical building in Edmond (and a corrupt leader who runs the whole operation).

Anonymous said...

Sounds like a bad travel brochure, reducing the Kingdom of God to some sort of corporate structure where the Almighty sits in an office.

What a depressing and, dare I say it, mundane scenario.

old EXPCG hag said...

Hilliker wants all loyal PCG members to know that the Edmond Compound is the most godly place on earth today. Everyone lives in a state of bliss and enlightenment 24/7


Really?

Is Brian (Warwick) Davis still lurking in the shadows, hidin out there stirring up dissension, slandering, and causing chaos in the lives of certain members HE HATES for no reason at all but just because he is an asshole?

Like I said, when I wake up after I die and if I see Brian (Warwick) Davis staring back at me ready to be an asshole again, I'm asking God "Which way to the Lake of Fire?!"...I'd rather be there, thank ya!

old EXPCG hag said...

Anonymous said...


Anonymous said...

"...I EAGERLY CHOOSE THE LAKE OF FIRE!"


Why would you want to go there? That is where all the really bad people (like axe murderers) will be. Gerald Flurry will be there. Very poor choice!

October 27, 2014 at 5:01 PM

Derrrrr...

because you will be burned up and you will have no memory of life on this (not wonderful), hellacious planet earth full of assholes!

...and good thing we're not going to heaven to float around with all the same assholes that were here on planet hell!


And just because I wrote this doesn't mean I'm going to commit suicide.

I still have some more stupid stuff I still want to say on this highly entertaining and enlightening blog site!

old EXPCG hag said...

Anonymous said...

You people and this site disgust me! Mr. Hilliker is a man of God who IS educated in the truth and not the lies of a seminary or a university. Satan is using you to turn people away from God the Father who IS using Mr. Flurry and the Philadelphia Church of God as a witness to the apostate COG's who are Laodicean so that they wake up and share with us in God's eternal glory. You are destined to the lake of fire if you do not repent of this damnable heretical site and the lies you spread about God's ministers and prophets.

October 27, 2014 at 10:10 PM


Brian Davis, is that you?? lol

Anonymous said...

This piece comes off as Hilliker stroking Flurry in print.

Black Ops Mikey said...

“Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.” –Mark Twain

“It’s easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.” –Mark Twain

Stupid foolish superstition created by undereducated kooks: Once it sets in, it's like bad toxic mold spreading through the superstructure -- you just can't get rid of it without tearing down the whole bloody thing and burning it.

Byker Bob said...

The comment posted by the alledged PCG member comes off as far too articulate to be from your typical ACOG member. Spelling and grammar are much too correct.

No, this has got to be a spoof. Someone is deliberately covering up their intelligence with simplistic cultspeak just to get a reaction from us. He, she, or it succeeded. No fault on our parts, though, as we should always use the facts, logic, and other skills which we have acquired as survivors to defend against such drivel. If not for us, for the greater audience.

BB

Anonymous said...


It is strange that when a false prophet like Gerald Flurry and the fake PCG ministers that he set up claim to be on God's side many people believe them. People who go to the PCG believe it, of course. But the really strange thing is that some people who hate the PCG fall for it too, and are quick to believe Gerald Flurry's lies and think that to oppose such impostors means that they must accept the lake of fire for their own selves. Always one wrong extreme or another!

Time for a reality check.

It is false prophets like Gerald Flurry and the fake PCG ministers that he set up who are in danger of the lake of fire. I believe in God and the Bible but certainly do NOT believe Gerald Flurry or the fake PCG ministers that he set up when no WCG ministers went with him. PCG members do not even seem to know or remember what HWA really taught. Gerald Flurry's flood of so-called new revelation has brainwashed them into forgetting and rejecting much of what HWA had taught and into going down a completely different path. Gerald Flurry not only does NOT represent God, but he does NOT even correctly represent HWA either.

NO2HWA said...

BB: The comment above by the "Flurryite" might be a deliberate provocation, but I also see these same kind of comments by Armstrongites on various Facebook groups defending various COG leaders or HWA. A true rabid loyalist would say these kind of things because that is what we were taught to say by our leaders.

Redfox712 said...

Of course I have no way to verify it one way or the other but for what its worth I will say that the PCG comment sounded genuine to me.

Anonymous said...

"You people and this site disgust me! Mr. Hilliker is a man of God who IS educated in the truth and not the lies of a seminary or a university. Satan is using you to turn people away from God the Father who IS using Mr. Flurry and the Philadelphia Church of God as a witness to the apostate COG's who are Laodicean so that they wake up and share with us in God's eternal glory. You are destined to the lake of fire if you do not repent of this damnable heretical site and the lies you spread about God's ministers and prophets."

It's just as reasonable to think that GF is "God's Man" as it was to think that HWA was "God's Man." It's just as reasonable to think that PCG is "God's Church" as it was to think that WCG was "God's Church." It's just as easy to think GF or Helliker are "educated" as it was to think that HWA or Herman Hoeh were "educated." I can see no reason to suspect any of these things.

It's just as reasonable to think that the qur'an is the "Word of Allah-God" as it is to think the bible is the "Word of Jesus-God." It's just as reasonable to think that we'll end up in Jannah or Jahannam after we die as it is to think we'll end up in a Jesus-kingdom or a Jesus-Lake-of-Fire. It's just as reasonable to think that we will be either rewarded or punished by Allah or Jesus as it is to think we're on either the "nice" list or the "naughty" list of Santa Claus.

Why can't we just grow up and realize that Santa is make-believe?

There's got to be something wrong with it, but after a while it's hard not to look down on adults who still believe, effectively, in Santa.

James said...

Anonymous said...

You people and this site disgust me! Mr. Hilliker is a man of God who IS educated in the truth and not the lies of a seminary or a university. Satan is using you to turn people away from God the Father who IS using Mr. Flurry and the Philadelphia Church of God as a witness to the apostate COG's who are Laodicean so that they wake up and share with us in God's eternal glory. You are destined to the lake of fire if you do not repent of this damnable heretical site and the lies you spread about God's ministers and prophets.
_____________________________

Then we are more powerful than your weak and effeminate god.

Is that WHAT YOU ARE SAYING??

Anonymous said...

Of course I have no way to verify it one way or the other but for what its worth I will say that the PCG comment sounded genuine to me.

Here's the problem with that. If it is a genuine comment, then the commenter is comfortable disobeying Gerald Flurry, who has forbidden PCG members from involvement in these forums.

If the commenter is an active PCG member, then, he has already crossed over the threshold of thinking that he knows better than Mr. Flurry.

And if he right now knows better than Mr. Flurry with regard to these forums, how long will it be before this poster knows better than Mr. Flurry about some matter involving his local congregation, or PCG doctrine, or Edmond HQ policy?

If this poster is a genuine PCG member, he won't last very much longer in PCG.

RSK said...

There was a time when you could always tell a genuine Armstrongite by their need to write verbs in all caps and their heavy use of stock phrases.

Nowadays I don't know if that's as common a marker now - Byker's comment on proper grammar and spelling aside.

Anonymous said...

So in a nutshell, PCG is promising an eternity stuck in middle-management interfacing with petitioners that a supreme deity is apparently too overbooked or can't be bothered to deal with. And don't even THINK about using the wrong cover sheet on your monthly TPS reports for the Almighty.

Byker Bob said...

I guess it's possible that it was a PCG minister or his wife who posted the comment. They'd be considered above Flurry's edict to the sheeple, and some are fairly articulate.

Over the years, I've noticed a kind of a parallel type phenomenon in newspapers and magazines. Every time someone writes an article about some decaying, crime-infested neighborhood, one of the residents becomes incensed to the point of attempting to rise to the defense of the honor of it. It usually doesn't matter, because the place is generally beyond defense. Same as the ACOGS.

BB

RSK said...

So... anyone here ever visited Edmond? Did you feel inner peace, or whatever it was he said?

old EXPCG hag said...

I like Joel. He's one of the two witnesses. Seriously!

Anonymous said...

Old EXPCG hag,

I'd agree that Joel has some comedic talents, but he certainly doesn't rise to a Seinfeld, Knotts or Ball level.

Anonymous said...

I can't wait for The Sound and the Flurry, the eternal slapstick comedy that I'm looking forward to a minor "extra" role in as "slave."

Some day I look forward to being beaten on the head for ever and ever amen by Moe, Larry, and Flurry with their rods of iron.

What a joke.

Anonymous said...

Someone (on the redfox blog) labeled the PCG poster a troll. People will hate me for saying this, but unpopular opinions do not constitute trolling.

"In Internet slang, a troll is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion."

Unpopular opinions do not constitute trolling, but using hateful speech to suppress dissenting views is surely bulling.

Anonymous said...

Joel Hilliker is just another piece in the PCG nepotism tree. His position come from his sister marrying "that prophet's" son. Nothing more. He is another buffoon.

I was shocked to hear that Brad Macdonald is given the keys to run all of Europe (and his dad to run Australia and more) because he married Dennis Leap's daughter. Brad's point of difference is an uneducated and overly bullyish approach he developed from the hateful teen relationship with his father. Ministerial bullying is rich in the PCG. It needs to be to maintain loyalty.

Joel is educated more than Armstrong-ism. He attended a liberal arts university to study music composition (or something like that). He took me for a tour of his university and to meet his gay friends. I remember listening to him sing his latest composition, "Flannel Rocks" while his sister Amy was on the can with the door wide open so as to join in our conversation. Honestly, I felt really uncomfortable at which way Joel might be swinging.

Above all this nonsense about individuals, look at the the PCG's tactics to control its members and keep the money flowing in:
(1) prevent contact with non-church people including family but especially ex members;
(2) outlaw access to Facebook and any form of information other than what the PCG publishes;
(3) bombard the masses with hundreds or books and articles - so much so that you cannot think anything else. Each piece of literature is a HWA repetition or another addition to support a previous doctrine. There is simply no avenue to go back and question the basic premises. Most importantly that, "that prophet" has always meant Jesus Christ;
(4) command 100% loyalty to HWA and GRF - affirming that before being baptized. That way one's entire belief is bound to a man - so to question that man is to doubt one's own conversion.

The tactics work - but only on the existing members.