Why is it that every single splinter group leader has to claim that their "new" copycat version of the original Worldwide Church of God they have dreamed up is by and through the authority of Jesus Christ working in them? Despite JC supposedly working in and through them, every single article, booklet, website story, Facebook page, etc. is all about THEM. None of them can stop flapping their mouths about how great they are and how much work they do, how great their websites are, how great their videos are, etc., instead of focusing solely on Christ and his salvational work.
Every new alliteration of the mother church has had the chance to start over, do it right, and do it well. Sadly that has never happened as none of them can get rid of their narcissistic egos long enough to let Jesus get a word in.
We now are witnessing the implosion of yet another restored church and the very public breakup of a family.
This time it is the newly restored Worldwide Church of God and the Kitchen family.
The original wwcg-archives.com has been preserved.I worked with my father, to raise up several YouTube Channels:Some of those Youtube Channels raised up THROUGH ME, Samuel W Kitchen, and it was Jesus Christ through me, is the following list: "The Real Elijah TV", "Herbert W Armstrong TV Archives", "A Voice Cries Out- Herbert W Armstrong" and the "Worldwide Church of God Archives".I brought my brother Timothy on board as an "Administrator" for those channels to assist me, but I lost control over my emails, and could no longer gain access to those YouTube Channels! So I went to my brother and asked him to add my new email address, so I could regain control. He told me NO. He also removed me from many Facebook pages, and blocked me.And now, I see, as many of you have also seen, all the videos I worked on and uploaded, all the videos my dad worked on with me, are now gone. They've either been made private, or deleted.Now my family used the domain "wwcg-archives.com" and so all the videos, and old publications and Facebook pages, which my Dad and I worked on, shared that domain.I had found out recently, this domain was NO LONGER owned by my brother. It was DEAD IN THE WATER, and was up for sale by the hosting company. So I purchased it, and attached it to "worldwidechurchofgod.org", and once again it was ALIVE and being used by this work.And because my brother saw that i had purchased it, and he no longer had control of it, he slandered me before the brethren, in order to change YOUR MIND against me.And so now he has REMOVED the videos on my Youtube channels, all the World Tomorrow Videos, and Radio Programs, and Sermons I worked on and uploaded, and the programs my Dad and I worked on,(which has his voice over). Because those videos had "wwcg-archives.com" on them, my brother decided to SHUT DOWN those YouTube Channels.IT WAS NOT HIS TO TOUCH! He was NOT over those YouTube Channels! He was only included to ASSIST ME.But he booted me from the Facebook pages, and has refused my requests to be restored back to these YouTube Channels. He said, he would give it all back after he edits and changes them to go to his NEW website "wwcga.com".I say new, because he started that rather recently on his own.When our Father was alive, my brother was over administering the website "wwcg-archives.com". I was placed over the Social Media pages, and Youtube Channels, and over the PUBLISHING of the warning message on those medias.
This family breakdown is a result of the failed fiasco of the Kitchen family traveling to Jerusalem because they thought they would give a final warning there to unite the one true church and deliver a witness to the world.
See:
God's Two Pillars Are Currently In Jerusalem At This Very Moment!
Samuel continues:
My brother, in anger, ROSE UP and KICKED ME OUT OF THEM, to have control of them, because he felt he was wronged on our trip to the middle east. So because he could do it, HE FEELS HE CAN DO IT.I had to start again from scratch, and this has been a very troublesome time in my life. MY BROTHER, my TWIN BROTHER, as he admitted publicly, is no longer walking in agreement with me. I do not know exactly what he is in disagreement with. But that's what he said.So he started a NEW ARCHIVES, and the one we had been using, the original, was thrown aside, and eventually made inaccessible to him.Now, I had NOTHING TO DO with removing him from the wwcg-archives.com domain. The domain was almost LOST, and everything we used in the Work of God was going into DESTRUCTION, under the hand of my brother. His solution, was to start fresh.While my hand was forced to start fresh WITHOUT MY BROTHER, because he separated from me, I have made the purchase to PRESERVE THE ORIGINAL WORK I've been involved with since 2005, at least.My brother CHOSE to separate himself from me, and he chose to start fresh with a NEW WEBSITE, using what Jesus Christ raised up through my father and myself.My father died April 15, 2021. Since then, I believe Christ has showing me what Satan did concerning God's Church after the death of Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong. It seems to be the exact thing step by step.THIS IS NOT ABOUT WHO IS IN CHARGE! We ought to realize and KNOW JESUS CHRIST IS HEAD OF THE CHURCH, and HIS WORK!
How many damn times have we heard this? Look how far that has gotten all of us.
Anyway, on with the drama:
Tim, is making it about who is in charge. I believe Jesus Christ is in charge. And if Tim comes with a right attitude, and repents before the Church, I will be so happy!
It is always someone else who has a bad attitude or is causing drama. It is never the self-appointed savior of the church.
I am working hard, to encourage members to have a RIGHT ATTITUDE towards the ministry. As I believe the ministry of the Worldwide Church of God is being restored. I AM NOT IN CHARGE.This is NOT the Church of Samuel W Kitchen! This is NOT the Church of Timothy J Kitchen Jr! This is NOT the Church of Herbert W Armstrong! IT IS THE CHURCH OF GOD! And it is known today as the Worldwide Church of God!I am fighting with everything I have, to preserve the Worldwide Church of God and this work. People mock me, and try to weaponize my words to OFFEND Mr. Aaron Dean. Now I am talking OPENLY about Mr. Dean, as I have already gone to him PRIVATELY. This isn't behind his back. I am not trying to ROPE HIM IN. But out of all the Administrators with Mr. Armstrong, at that point in time, He seems to be the one God has picked and he is an ordained minister. He is not with the Worldwide Church of God anymore. He is attending with ANOTHER CHURCH, the United Church of God.But he has been kind, and brings people to remember the lessons he learned from Mr. Armstrong. But he is waiting for God's servant to be raised up. So am I.Out of all those examined by Mr. Armstrong to be the next Pastor General, He is the last. He actually was picked by Mr. Armstrong, but he claims he talked Mr. Armstrong out of making him the next pastor general.Out of that casting of lots, as Samuel the prophet examined the sons of Jesse, Aaron Dean remains.
That is truly one of the dumbest things I have heard.
And no HE WILL NOT MAKE HIMSELF the next Pastor General! And I think that is clear. If he is to be, then GOD WILL PLACE HIM THERE! And I feel, since I am involved with this work, I have to ENCOURAGE God's people to BE READY for that time, whether or not it is Aaron Dean!These other Cog groups, are preparing the people to REJECT the government of God, because THEY DON'T WANT a single man in charge!But we won't come back together through these other groups. IT WILL BE AS THE WORLDWIDE CHURCH OF GOD! And that's what I am declaring! Now, did Jesus Christ send me to do that? Examine the fruits.
That is the same crap Bob Thiel pulled on everyone when he tried to justify his self-appointment. Gerald Flurry did it. Dave Pack has done it. It is revolting.
I've faced opposition. From Shirley and Earl Timmons, from Grace Communion International, from these COG groups, and from all these websites and new trademarks that have sprung up to STOP THIS WORK AND THIS CHURCH!Family members were targeted and murdered because we had a FAMILY holding fast, and working together.SO like Satan took out the patriarch, he took Dad out.Now, he wants to DIVIDE the work, and to break up and destroy the Worldwide Church of God! But God does not work in MULTIPLE GROUPS! THE BODY AND WORK OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVIDED!Now my brother separated through disagreement. Please pray for him. I love him. But he took control of what was raised up through my dad and I, and is attempting to SHUT THE DOORS, by shutting the videos down, because things aren't directed to him.I would love to direct things to his website and work in cooperation. I certainly wish it and pray for it.But he has removed everything, when God's people need it most, out of bitterness towards a brother and because he has zero control over the archives now. Jesus Christ removed him. Now let's pray for his repentance, and his speedy return. But I felt you needed to know what has happened! Let us be ready with open arms when He returns! But let us not be distracted from the work set before us.The Work of God must go on. and THE DOORS NO MAN CAN SHUT!
Woo Hoo! Isn't Bob Thiel doing that? He thinks he is. Gerald Flurry claims he is. Our official COG felon, Ron Weinland claims he is. Gerald Weston, Viv Kubik, and most other COG splinter leaders all claim they are. If that door is unable to be shut why is the current state of the COG movement such a pathetic mess?
So please pray brethren. Don't let Satan DIVIDE YOU to cause you to leave your calling, to be some other church. WE MUST BE READY!I am blocked from my brother. But if you ask him anything, ask him to restore those videos with the wwcg-archives.com domain on them. I am not here to destroy it. I am seeking to preserve what was lost.But if you can be my advocate in this perilous time, to my brother, perhaps he will see his error, and return. Take it to Christ, and please pray for the healing between us brothers. I don't see him as an enemy, but he is no longer with me, and has done some things he should not have done! He thought he was hurting me, but he is hurting the Church of God, and so I have to say something now for the sake of the Church.Pray for him. Thank you Brethren,In Christ's service,Samuel W Kitchen
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My brother CHOSE to separate himself from me...
Note those words carefully. Especially in light of what Dr. Thiel now says about LCG (see below).
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each of these splinters claim to be lead by God as a one true church, which can only mean there are literally scores of so called one true churches/works now, each vainly competing with each other. The parent WCG was aa fake in making such claims and each of the offshoots continue the same stupidity. The fake apostle did instill a habit I see of using CAPITALS.
Just seems as if any type of Armstrongism revival can never catch the break which would bring everyone together and then make it go viral. Gamaliel? Tower of Babel? The "spew" effect? People blame Satan, but if so, Ol' Mephistopheles has displayed about 30 years of strength that God has not countered or overwhelmed. Since God is more powerful than Satan, what are we to conclude about that? Doesn't seem to be a contest between classic Armstrongism and GCI, because they're doing like crap as well!
BB
It blows my mind the level of HWA worship & adulation that persists to this day. Time proves all things and Herbert W.Armatrong was a COMPLETE FAILURE, if he was the "end time Elijah" or the supposed "voice crying out in the wilderness" His trips abroad with foreign leaders were bought & paid for plain and simple. He never healed anyone with miracles like you saw put Elijah, Elisha or the true Apostles and he has a long list of failed predictions & prophecies. He also exalted himself while diminishing the role of Christ. Just because a bunch of neo-Ambassador wannabes or ole turds trying revive the Soviet style Worldwide Church of God of yesteryear is doomed to complete failure. It disintegrated because it was built on lies of sand not that of Christ. Any group that starts pushing the role of "The Government of God" as its gospel, well just turn the channel or toss their literature in the shred bin.
GCI> their site shows
God has drawn us together into a church that is truly international in scope with more than 30,000 members, worshiping in about 550 congregations across 70 nations and territories.
average size of each church gathering is smallthey wouldn't have the silliness of bowing down to the fake apostle which all offshoots do i suppose
Kitchen food fight!
"Kitchen food fight?" ... nice thought, Tonto!
Samuel wrote: "...The Work of God must go on. and THE DOORS NO MAN CAN SHUT!.."
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Once upon a time I heard a sermon of 31 August 1996. Following are some thoughts via partial transcript of a sermon on "The Seven Churches" given then, some 28 years ago, which addressed the "pathetic mess" of that day:
"...Now we get to Philadelphia, of course, where everyone wants to be, because this is the good one, isn’t it? This is the one we all shine in! This is the one where God really sees all of our great works and wonderful things that we’ve done! We have really impressed Him! We have impressed Him so much that when the next era comes along, He stands on the other side of the door. That’s how great we were!
Well, is that really the way it was?
I don’t think so, but He did have a purpose to do with the Philadelphian era. So, in verse 7, let’s read this.
Revelation 3:7 “And to the angel of the church in Philadelphia write; These things saith he that is holy, he that is true, he that hath the key of David,…”
Do the Philadelphians have the key of David? No!
Christ has it! This is talking about Christ! He has the key of David! He’s got everything!
“…he that openeth, and no man shutteth; and shutteth, and no man openeth;”
“Well, that has to be talking about ‘The Work!’ Do you see? No man can shut this door to ‘this Work!’ We’re going to expand and we’re going to go to the world!”
And that’s not what it means, brethren! It doesn’t mean that at all.
God never set up His Plan of Salvation dependent on what work you could accomplish, or what you would say, or what you would do, or how many parts of the country you would go to.
And certainly not on any of our righteousness, because we don’t have any!
You’re going to learn that this door is Jesus Christ.
It’s not for “a work.”
Mr. Herbert W. Armstrong didn’t understand it. Fine! It wasn’t revealed.
It is revealed now, and it’s explained now through God’s Spirit.
So, all of you out there in those little scattered “churches,” and they’re not churches at all!
They’re just little organizations, mainly run by little hirelings, that God never asked to start a work.
It’s not for an open door for “your work.”
It has nothing to do with it, and if you tell people that, you’re a liar and it shows that the truth is not in you!...
...God, or, Christ is that door! He is saying to this era of the Church that that door is not going to be shut, that Christ, Jesus Christ, is always going to be open for the knowledge and for the understanding. We have to know it.
We’re the part that’s going to be made into that Bride of Christ, that symbolic Bride of Christ, that pictures the whole Church getting ready for that wedding.
Revelation 3:8 “I know thy works: behold, I have set before thee an open door, and no man can shut it:…”
Jesus Christ was never going to be cut off!
The knowledge of Him, the knowledge of the True Plan of Salvation, was not going to be shut off from this era;
“…for thou hast a little strength, and hast kept my word, and hast not denied my name”
And brethren, all of the way through Mr. Armstrong’s time, we did not deny His name.
Now, we did not understand the Father! We did not understand Jesus Christ, and we did not understand the Plan of Salvation, but we were heading in the right direction.
Now that Mr. Armstrong is dead, and we’ve had ten years of history [16 Jan [1986-31 Aug 1996]] of the Laodicean era of the Church, all of us Philadelphians are still here!
God opened up those doors and kept those doors opened as Mr. Armstrong died..."
To be continued…
John
Continuing…
It's been 38 years since the death of HWA: what's new? As the Moderator stated: "...Woo Hoo! Isn't Bob Thiel doing that? He thinks he is. Gerald Flurry claims he is. Our official COG felon, Ron Weinland claims he is. Gerald Weston, Viv Kubik, and most other COG splinter leaders all claim they are. If that door is unable to be shut why is the current state of the COG movement such a pathetic mess?..."
Could Jesus' words sum it all up?
Matthew 15:13 "...Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up."
:14 "Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch."
Is it possible that all of these hirelings of the former WCG have just been mistaking "ditches" for "doors?" Well, blindness could cause such a thing, but...
Time will tell...
John
John,
Interesting. Mistaking ditches for doors is a strong analogy. Thankfully it seems that Christ supports pulling out that which has fallen into a ditch…whether ox or person. Then, hopefully the person goes through the door.
Anon, Wednesday, May 15, 2024 at 5:10:00 AM PDT, said:
"...John,
Interesting. Mistaking ditches for doors is a strong analogy. Thankfully it seems that Christ supports pulling out that which has fallen into a ditch…whether ox or person. Then, hopefully the person goes through the door..."
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Jesus Christ spoke a parable. Yes, there is good news. Elsewhere Jesus told us more with another parable showing God's Plan to save humanity:
Luke 15:4 "What man of you, having an hundred sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?
:5 And when he hath found [it], he layeth [it] on his shoulders, rejoicing.
:6 And when he cometh home, he calleth together [his] friends and neighbours, saying unto them, Rejoice with me; for I have found my sheep which was lost."
Not one lost! There are only 2 resurrections: not three as many of us have been told to believe in by those hirelings of the former WCG, but God grants one repentance, thankfully!
God has unconditional love for sheep (people as in Matthew 25:32-34): not goats like Satan and his devils (Matthew 25:41, 46), who will eventually be taken and destroyed.
But who comes to Jesus Christ? John 6:44 takes care of the sheep that make up God's Church, and John 12:32 takes care of "the rest" of the remaining sheep, the rest of humanity. Eventually all are drawn, or dragged (use Strong's if you wish), to Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ explains it as follows:
John 10:14 "I am the good shepherd, and know my [sheep], and am known of mine.
:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd."
God's Plan showed this with the Exodus (saving the Firstborn, all Israel) when all Israel passed through the "door" covered with shed blood into the light of day, and 7 days later passed through the Red Sea: all saved!
So, there is hope for the blind leaders leading the blind when it comes to the hirelings of the former WCG. All Israel, all humanity, will be saved before all is said and done. That's good news...to have life again! It's a Plan!
The only question might be: which resurrection will each sheep be in? First or Second, and...
Time will tell...
John
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