Wednesday, February 24, 2016

Leviticus


85 comments:

Anonymous said...

Jesus did not have long hair and the rest of your comedic post is heretical.

Anonymous said...

Jesus had pig-tails, and the rest of your post is very funny, knowing what mind-bending ideas OT-lovers come up with.

Black Ops Mikey said...

And we don't even have a priesthood to offer animal sacrifices.

And a temple?

Can't even scrape enough together for local church buildings.

So much for the daily sacrifice.

Anonymous said...

10:09,

There was a time . . . oh, yes, there was a time when a self-righteous I-know-more-than-you statement like that actually had some MENACE in it.

Now . . . I'm not scared, and I'm laughing at you as well as the post.

II Timothy 3:16 said...


11:58,

There was a time . . . oh, yes, there was a time when a self-righteous I-know-more-than-you statement like that actually had some ANNOYANCE in it.

Now . . . I'm not annoyed, and I'm laughing at you as well as the post.

Ralph said...

From the Beatitudes:-

"Mat 5:6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled."

and Leviticus:-

"Lev 19:15 Ye shall do no unrighteousness in judgment: thou shalt not respect the person of the poor, nor honour the person of the mighty: but in righteousness shalt thou judge thy neighbour."

How about that!

cheers
ralph.f

Ralph said...

ps

"Psa 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness."

cheers
ralph.f

Anonymous said...

10:09, prove that Jesus didn't have long hair.

Anonymous said...

"...Aaron's sons the priests shall present the blood..."

"...and the sons of Aaron the priest shall put fire on the altar..."

"...and Aaron's sons the priests shall lay the pieces, the head, and the fat, in order upon the wood..."

"...Aaron's sons the priests shall throw its blood against the altar..."

Over and over and over. Aaron. Aaron's sons. Even in Lev. 24, right after all the holy convocation instructions. And the entire book ends with: "These are the commandments which the LORD commanded Moses for the people of Israel on Mount Sinai."

Seems directed to a specific group of people in a specific period of time.

How about that!

Anonymous said...

Christ did quote from the old testament on many occasions. And He did say to 'live by every word of God,' meaning both old and new testament. Seems some are unnerved by the OT Terminator threats. Yes, God will send Arnie err, I mean terminator '10 nation Europe' to terminate Islam and Israel. Finally God Himself will terminate the terminator. And no, it won't be back.

Anonymous said...

It's funny how some people's ideas about what constitutes "righteousness" are performing various rituals weekly and annually, meanwhile, living lives of moral and spiritual bankruptcy.

1 Corinthians 13:
1 If I speak in the tongues of mortals and of angels, but do not have love, I am a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
2 And if I have prophetic powers, and understand all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.
3 If I give away all my possessions, and if I hand over my body so that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.

Anonymous said...


“I gave them the Beatitudes, and all they do is quote Leviticus....”


Jesus gave the Beatitudes, but people have Bad Attitudes, so they reject everything written in the Bible and go chasing after everything written outside of the Bible instead.

Byker Bob said...

News flash, COGlodytes: Heb. 7:13-17. Jesus was not a Levitical priest. He was a Jew, not a Levite. The duties assigned to the Levites did not apply to Him, since He was a priest of the order of Melchizedek. New priesthood for a New Covenant, folks!

Also, what's this hang up about long hair? If having long hair was one of the elements of a Nazirite vow, and considered good, and even holy by God, how would long hair suddenly become the standard for ruling that a portrait could not be one of Jesus? Why would long hair make it so someone would teach that the idea of a long haired Jesus was concocted by Italian homosexual artists during the Renaissance? Yet another of those wonderful conspiracy theories, native to the HWAcaca!

BB

Ralph said...

on February 24, 2016 at 3:20 PM
Anonymous said...

""...Aaron's sons the priests shall present the blood..."

"...and the sons of Aaron the priest shall put fire on the altar..."

"...and Aaron's sons the priests shall lay the pieces, the head, and the fat, in order upon the wood..."

"...Aaron's sons the priests shall throw its blood against the altar..."

Can you tell me what translation you are using? I can't find those passages in the AKJ.
In any case I would think that the commandments concerning sacrifices given to Aaron and his sons eg. "Lev 1:17 And he shall cleave it with the wings thereof, but shall not divide it asunder: and the priest shall burn it upon the altar, upon the wood that is upon the fire: it is a burnt sacrifice, an offering made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD." are no longer applicable because:
"Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all."
together with:
Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;"

It seems to me that the prime purpose of the Levitical priesthood was to offer continual sacrifices to atone for the continual sins of the Israelites. That dispensation came to an end with the sacrifice of Yeshua. Remembering this:-
"Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,"

also:
"And the entire book ends with: "These are the commandments which the LORD commanded Moses for the people of Israel on Mount Sinai."

Obviously not all of the Levitical commandments were intended for Aaron and his sons. The "people of Israel" were also involved. If such were not the case then why would Yeshua advise the young man viz. "Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."

Is there anyone here that wouldn't want eternal life??

cheers
ralph.f

Anonymous said...

two critical things to understand when considering the concept of whether or not the Law was abolished: firstly: what Law was abolished? the book of Hebrews clearly shows that the Levitical Law of animal sacrifice for the remission of sins is what was abolished; secondly: under what circumstance are we not under the Law? Galatians 5:18 answers that...

Anonymous said...

I don't really care for jesus's hair. I do like science.

Search for Fayum mummy portraits for contemporary pics.

or

http://www.mlahanas.de/Greeks/Arts/Fajum.htm

It follows that jesus certainly didn't look like the sunday school blue eyed swedish viking.
However judging from contemporary portraits he must have had longer hair than the local minister would approve of.

On a personal level. When visiting the Basilica of Annunciation in Nazareth some time ago I was thrown a bit off balance with the hundreds of local dark/haired/eyed Arab school children visiting the shrine, being good Christians and all.

I wonder if they were of the same creed HWA's neck got to wear the Constantine Cross from. (the Greek Orthodox Patriarchate of Jerusalem.)

Unfortunately on the internet I can find no mention of an Order of the Constantine Cross, but for secret masonic organisations. I am only looking for the genuine kind that was awarded 131 since Constantine. I would like to know who the other 131 recipients were.

nck

Chuckles said...

Anon 10:09. It is a shame for a man to have long hair, so I don't suppose Jesus walked around with long hair as shown in the many pictures we see.1st Corinthians 11:14

Chuckles said...

Anon 10:09. It is a shame for a man to have long hair, so I don't suppose Jesus walked around with long hair as shown in the many pictures we see.1st Corinthians 11:14

Anonymous said...

6:13 PM I Cor 13 has been hijacked by the tares in Gods church. It's always the most evil ministers that quote these verses from the pulpit. Their interpretation is one of their victims passively tolerating their vicious abuse. That is the opposite of what the chapter is saying. The rest is misinterpreted as well. Note the rest:

1Co 13:4 Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
1Co 13:5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
1Co 13:6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
1Co 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.

How are the above traits of kindness, not thinking evil, forbearance etc acquired?
By trade of course, by maximizing ones profits and minimizing ones losses. These traits must be earned by hard work. It's all there in the parable of the talents. The churches don't teach this. Rather the tares demand that their victims fake these traits to make life comfortable for them. No wonder they love 'theme park' Churchworld. This is what happens when 'ministers' hide trade.

Cheers TradingGuy

Anonymous said...

Anon 3:07PM, about long hair.

If Christ had long hair, do you really think that Paul would have written: "Does not even nature itself teach you that if a man has long hair, it is a dishonor to him?" (1 Co 11:14)

Anonymous said...

8.11 'there is non good but one..' God alone has one unique trait, that being perfection. Hence 'good' is a poor translation. In fact the word 'good' is used in other places to describe people. For instance 'well done good and faithful servant.'

Ralph said...

on February 24, 2016 at 7:52 PM
Byker Bob said...

"....how would long hair suddenly become the standard for ruling that a portrait could not be one of Jesus?"

Maybe the answer can be found here:-

"1Co 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?"

cheers
ralph.f

Ralph said...

February 24, 2016 at 5:20 PM
Anonymous said...

"....err, I mean terminator '10 nation Europe' to terminate Islam and Israel."

Me thinks your post may have been written with 'tongue in cheek' as the saying goes.
As a matter of interest whom or what do you define as "Israel"?

cheers
ralph.f

Anonymous said...

Leviticus 19:18: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
Leviticus 19:34: "The stranger who dwells among you shall be to you as one born among you, and you shall love him as yourself."

Oh those horrible, horrible old worn-out Levitical laws!!! Give me the teachings of Jesus any day!

Anonymous said...

6.31AM By Israel, I mean the modern descendants of the 12 tribes, England and America been the two main tribes. That's unless you accept all the DNA mumbo jumbo 'proofs' on this and the Painful Truth site, claiming otherwise. It's more than tongue in cheek. Every person, including God, has a terminator sub personality. Provoke people enough, and it will step to the forefront. Which is why the successful Terminator franchise hit a note with the public. The coming 10 nation Europe is Gods customised terminator. Nothing new here anyway. It's history repeating itself. For instance, God used Napoleon to terminate Europe's Aristocratic system by breaking it's back.

Anonymous said...

10:09 stated emphatically that Jesus did not have long hair. No one here has provided any proof of that, but instead only speculation and theory. I'm just suggesting that we should be careful with our declarations of things we clearly do not and cannot know.

I couldn't care less whether paintings of Jesus portray him with long hair or not. If he had long hair, what difference would it make? Would it negate everything he said and did?

Seriously, people need to get the blinders off. We don't know as much as we think we do. Ranting about hair length is one of the silliest, most unproductive things I've observed in more than five decades around the COG movement.

Anonymous said...

nck wrote,
"Unfortunately on the internet I can find no mention of an Order of the Constantine Cross, but for secret masonic organisations. I am only looking for the genuine kind that was awarded 131 since Constantine. I would like to know who the other 131 recipients were. nck"

What the hell are you rambling on about, nck???

You and that trader dude seem to want to hijack any and every topic to turn it into an opportunity to preach your strongly held beliefs.

Not to mention Ralph's comments espousing his odd takes on things of that crappy church we once attended.

Dayum! Put you three to together and it's like an episode of the Three Stooges!

I'll let you, Shemp and Curley fight over all that stuff, here.

Personally, I'm praying my ass off that The Holy Spirit will deliver a double dose of "Nyuck, Nyuck, Nyuck" unto ye.

BTW, being a "Moe" doesn't necessarily make you gay.

Anonymous said...

After reading "February 25, 2016 at 7:48 AM"'s beyond idiotic comment,

I'm thinking nutcases advertising on The Journal are now here trying to get free advertising.

Anonymous said...

9:50

I agree I was rambling.

I gather you got the first 8 sentences?
The fayum portraits are portraits of ordinary persons contemporary to Jesus in the Middle East, since we were discussing hairstyles. After that I relate a personal story.
Then I ask a question if these Arab kids may have been of the Orthodox faith. Since hwa was awarded the Constantine Cross by the patriarch of Jerusalem. Since I could not find mention of an order of the Constantine Cross except from masonic organisations. I was just wondering if anyone knows who the other 131 recipients were? I hesitate contacting the office of the patriarch of Jerusalem. I rather have it from people here since they are so knowledgeable.

Perhaps you can now follow how my question developed from a remark about the looks of Jesus! I started on topic but answering one question raises two to me. At least you can see I had no intention to hijack anyting. Just talking about Jesus'hair.

nck

Steve D said...

You are back to the issue of long hair again? How long is long? I remember HWA asking why a man would want to look like a woman with his hair being long. Doesn't nature itself tell us that long hair is wrong? I would ask him this, "Doesn't nature tell us that men should have beards? Why do you, HWA and RCM and others want to shave your faces to look like that of a woman?

Steve D said...

You legalists . . . always setting the standards for everyone else. When someone says, "You should pray for 30 minutes a day!" or "Hair on a man should not extend beyond the collar or cover his ears." I throw it back at them. "Why not pray for an hour? Don't you love God enough to give him one hour a day?" "Why don't you give yourself a buzz cut." It is always THEIR standard that they like to impose on you as God's standard.

Black Ops Mikey said...

Now, now, what the Cult of Herbert Armstrong Mafia really need is to be rich and increased in goods -- and in need of nothing.

Having only the Old Testament and Revelation serves that purpose.

Don't confuse them with all this talk of 'spiritual' stuff -- they only know and understand physical rituals and cannot grasp much of anything else.

It's like trying to explain rainbows to earthworms.

Anonymous said...

9.00AM. Judas had to point Christ out with a kiss, so His hair length would have been like every one else. The typical hair length for men at that time was mid length according to my Google search. Only women had hair to the shoulders.

Anonymous said...

9.56 AM Gosh, I learned a lot from reading your comment.

Byker Bob said...

"shame" is a very mild word to choose as a descriptive. Activities that really offended God were called by other names, like "sin", or "abomination". Also, there is no evidence that Jews and Christians wore Roman style hair cuts, like the Caesars. A popular Galillean hairstyle of the day was longer than that of the Romans, and was parted in the middle.

BB

Anonymous said...

Anon7:48 wrote:

By Israel, I mean the modern descendants of the 12 tribes, England and America been the two main tribes. That's unless you accept all the DNA mumbo jumbo 'proofs' on this and the Painful Truth site, claiming otherwise."

Yep, demonstrable mainstream scientific research = "mumbo jumbo", meanwhile medieval legendary attestations = "trooth".

Geez, anyone would think Geoffrey of Monmouth, writing in the 12th century, was a biblical author or something!

Reminds me of Ralph"s "couldn't be bothered therefore couldn't be true" stance.

James said...

Anon wrote:

I mean the modern descendants of the 12 tribes, England and America been the two main tribes. That's unless you accept all the DNA mumbo jumbo 'proofs' on this and the Painful Truth site, claiming otherwise.~

Prove us wrong. We have science to back us up. All you have is a high schools dropout and a dead false prophets ignorant yarn about Israel.

Martha said...

DNA evidence isn't "mumbo jumbo". It's not theoretical, like whether a "big bang" happened or, even if it did, what caused it. It's not like hypothesizing what killed the dinosaurs when none of us were there to see it. It's actual evidence collected from actual people who can prove their ancestry combined with evidence collected from legitimate human remains. It's so well proven that it is admissible in court.

http://asbereansdid.blogspot.com/2014/11/happy-thanksgiving-from-my-gentile.html
http://asbereansdid.blogspot.com/2015/11/dear-cogwa-youre-still-not-israelites.html
http://asbereansdid.blogspot.com/2014/11/herbert-w-armstrongs-doctrines-and-fruit.html

Black Ops Mikey said...

That "DNA mumbo jumbo" is used in courts around the world to prove the guilt or innocence. To reject it is absurd.

Furthermore, even though DNA does debunk British Israelism, there are other proofs that you can read about in A Foundation of Sand: The Lie of British Israelism. Anyone who embraces British Israelism today is a kook and Donna Kossy certainly proves that in her book.

It is insulting that people would reject the truth because they have the poor judgment of rejecting data, proof and correction. If they really wanted truth, they would examine their beliefs objectively.

It is clear that Armstrongist have absolutely positively no interest in truth.

For that reason, they do not have and can never have one shred of credibility, having not noticed that British Israelism as a key to prophecy made Herbert Armstrong a false prophet, and thus, Scripturally, under the death penalty, as are all of his hireling henchmen.

You may be stupid with exceedingly poor judgment because you don't listen, and pay the consequences accordingly, but please do it on your own time.

Anonymous said...

I didn't bother to read all the posts but some made me laugh.

Steve - there is actually a verse in Leviticus that forbids the cutting of beards. That verse is right after the verse forbidding tatts. COGs condemn tattoos but are cool with scraping their faces with razors. COGs insist they obey the whole law but, they just pick their favorites and ignore the rest. Inside the cult they all agree they're keeping the law.

Once a COG minister told me my hair was too short! They had to try to put you under their authority. Fortunately, he didn't hassle me when I didn't grow my hair to the length of what was depicted in the art from that time.

Black Ops - that's it exactly! Trying to turn on COGlodytes to New Covenant concepts is exactly like trying to explain rainbows to earthworms! I'm so tired.

Anonymous said...

Jesus and Paul were attacked by the legalists.
Jesus and Paul had to call out the Pharisees and Judaizers for missing the boat.
COGS are both Pharisees and Judaizers and in their blind arrogance, don't get Jesus or Paul.

Anonymous said...

Let me settle the Jesus had long hair, Jesus had short hair, debate.
Jesus never existed! End of the debate!

Ralph said...

on February 25, 2016 at 3:06 PM
Anonymous said...

"Prove us wrong. We have science to back us up."

As a non-academic layman I'm always ready to listen to reason. Can you tell me what happens when your DNA or that of anybody else changes? How would such an occurrence affect your genetics or that of another group of people?

cheers
ralph.f

Anonymous said...

2.01PM I still recall 'mainstream scientific research' proving global warming. People who didn't agree were called 'deniers.' There was a campaign to smear and deny funds to scientists who disagreed. And there still is. And the the scandal of doctored weather findings. What happened? They had to change 'global warming' to 'climate change' since it started to become obvious that the planet was in fact cooling down. So much for 'mainstream scientific research' when a religious or pseudo religious barrel is being pushed.

Byker Bob said...

Depression can "leave marks" on your dna, Ralph. And, Armstrongism causes depression.

But, what do you have in mind? Are you thinking that fantasizing about British Israelism might make it so that you actually test genetically as a Jew?

BB

Anonymous said...

6.50 PM "End of the debate!" You sound like a minister.

Anonymous said...

Since hair is an important subject. (at least for man discovering the loss thereoff)
The problem with most here is that their interpretations are subject to 1950's cultural expectations, larded with Victorian culture.
Admit it. How many of you would by instinctive reaction refer only to the hair on the head while quoting Paul? By your momma's repressive upbringing you instinctively think of the hair of the head and not some other place fashionable in france.

This is what Paul is speaking about. Since, and I must credit the Paul quoters for citing the entire verse, Pauls says does not "nature" teach you? So if you do not understand what the word "nature" means you cannot interpret Paul.

And while at it, study Thomas Jefferson when he speaks on "natural law" in the Constitution.

I have seen articles where a man with long hair is called "effeminate".
For those of you who saw Bruce Willis flick when he is commanded to walk around Harlem with the racist sign. Try walking around in Philistine garb with a sign "Samson looks effeminate." You will soon meet the animal jaw and your maker.

BB is right! If it indeed were a shame unto a man. Why did God institute the Nazarite vow. He would have disliked Samson a lot. God is very clear on sin. There can be no excuse or exception for adulterers. But for Samson's long hair God makes an exception?

How about reading the entire text in Corinthians. Where it is clear Paul is speaking about women who should have to wear head gear while prohesying. When is the last time a woman prophesied in you church area?

Much more can be said. When commenting at least be consistent.

Personally I belief Jesus had ordinary short hair.
That would be consistent with my belief that young Jesus was a frequent visitor to Sephoris as I have stated before.
But moreso because I am qualified to read the mind of Roman governors and military men.
These savages (and I say this lovingly) defended Jesus several times, washing their hands in innocence. They really must have liked the guy. Place yourself in the shoes of a "hundred man" slaughtering his way through the balkans toward Jerusalem. Would you take a command by some drag queen in a skirt (which would have been the contemporary association?

So I have defended two positions. No consequences attached. At least be consistend in your research instead of just quoting the next issue of "the.......truth".

nck





Ralph said...

on February 25, 2016 at 5:58 PM
Anonymous wrote:-

"Steve - there is actually a verse in Leviticus that forbids the cutting of beards."

Quite so, and I think it is this one:-
"Lev 19:27 Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard."

However I can't find any commandment that any man MUST grow a beard. Consequently I believe beard growing to be a choice but, if you do decide to grow a beard, just let it grow without any tonsorial attention.
Some of our brethren of Judah think differently.

As an aside here is an interesting scripture:-
"Mat 23:8 But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren."
With Gill's commentary:-
"and all ye are brethren; not merely as the descendants of Adam, but as being in a spiritual relation, the children of God, and disciples of Christ, and so have no superiority one over another: this may regard the disciples, both as believers and Christians, partakers of the same grace, and standing in the same relation to God, Christ, and one another, and having an equal right to the same privileges: and as apostles and ministers, one as such, no, not Peter, having no pre-eminence over the other, having the same commission, doctrine, and authority, one as the other."

A pity that some COG ministers do not take Bible commentaries to heart!

cheers
ralph.f

Black Ops Mikey said...

That's just the point -- DNA doesn't change. It's in every cell of every living thing. It is the blueprint for life.

Studies have shown that DNA -- particularly the Y-Chromosome -- is stable over generations, particularly the Y-Chromosome which appears to be stable over thousands of years. It is possible to determine if a particular 'race' has common paternity with another: Example, the Jews and the Arabs have a common paternity going back thousands of years (this is Biblical, by the way, not that 'Biblical' has as much authority as the science of DNA). It should be noted that Jews and Arabs do not share a common paternity with Western Europeans (and it is not possible that some of the tribes of Israel had blonde hair and blue eyes -- it just doesn't, no matter what that nut, Yair Davidity, says in his made up scenarios of pure delusion).

The Human Genome Project has been one of the most remarkable scientific inquiries of all times, with scientists around the world not only mapping what each piece of the DNA is and means, but relating it to races and tribal distributions. If you want to know more about DNA, the Human Genome Project is one place to start. Another good place to start is https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/handbook/basics/dna where our wondrous government has put our tax dollars to good use, educating people about... well... life.

It's important not to ignore DNA. Remember, DNA is the basis for all life. It's also stable, which is why there isn't much danger of a horse becoming a cat in one day. (It probably won't happen over billions of years either. Just sayin'.)

Martha said...

Ralph, I'm a writer, not a scientist, but this is my understanding, for what it's worth:

Different genetic ancestries are labeled by certain "hapologroup" letters, and then there are subclassifications within the letters. The sub categories within the group account for genetic mutations, breeding between different categories, etc. But mutation would not change a person's DNA from haplogroup J into haplogroup R. Similarly, when two different haplogroups breed, you would find genetic traces of both haplogroups. It would not revert to just one of them.

The best example I can think of is, if a horse and a donkey cross-breed, you always get a mule. You would never get a zebra. I know this example is limited by the fact that mules are generally sterile and can't breed further, but it's the only one I can think of right now.

Martha said...

Further, if you cross-bred a zebra and a horse, you would find DNA strains of both animals in the offspring, never just zebra or just horse.


Martha said...

(Please forgive my stream of consciousness additions to this analogy. It takes me a while. This is why I only post on As Bereans Did a couple times a month.)

Now, I realize there are examples of inter-racial breeding way back. Joseph had an Egyptian wife. Moses had an Ethiopian wife. Ruth was from Moab. (Although, interestingly, these inter-racial marriages are all from people groups from the same region, mostly sharing relatively common ancestors). But generally speaking, until the last few centuries, most people were born in a village or general area, married someone from that village or region, reproduced in that area and died in that area).

So in my example, the Hebrew DNA is the zebra. The haplogroup DNA is carried on the male chromosome, not the female, so it has the chance to be more, um, prolific and widely spread...

If the Hebrews "zebras" and Europeans shared a common ancestor, and the "lost 10 tribes" were carried off to Europe, then you should expect to find a ton of zebra genetic markers among the European population, historically speaking. (Obviously this has changed a bit in the past century). It should be there in significant quantities, even if it has been inter-bred. But as a rule, you don't find much zebra DNA throughout the European population. You find Germanic horse and donkey DNA.

You can go ahead and insert the requisite British-Israelist German/Assyrian "ass" joke here. I'm mostly German and I can take it.



Anonymous said...

9.50 AM Many were taken in by Herbies lies of 'only a few more years left,' or 'nothing else matters except the work.' Widows amongst others, sold their homes and gave the money to the church. Both Rod and Dave Pack have set similar traps, into which some will fall. This has already happened to many in Daves church. These people would have been far less likely to be taken in, had they understood trade. Yet you think me and some others here as a funny joke. Yeah sure, widows losing their homes is funny, "Nyuck, Nyuck, Nyuck."
People in Daves church will lose their homes and become poor, because they took out a mortgage to contribute to his church. This is hilarious to you, "Nyuck, Nyuck, Nyuck."
You should get together with Dave and Rod (your three stooges) and all do your childish imitations of the three stooges, mocking those who warn members. All together, "Nyuck, Nyuck, Nyuck."

Cheers TradingGuy

Retired Prof said...

Anonymous February 25, 2016 at 11:20 PM said, "They had to change 'global warming' to 'climate change' since it started to become obvious that the planet was in fact cooling down."

1. The planet is not "in fact cooling down." There is currently some controversy over whether there was a slowing of the rate of warming after 2000, but nobody claims the planet was actually cooling down then. At most, it was not heating up as fast as before. In any case, in 2014 and 2015 the rate of warming has accelerated.

2. In climate science, "global warming" and "global climate change" refer to different stages of an overall process. Global warming is the result of greenhouse gases trapping infrared radiation (heat) before it can radiate into space. If warming gets high enough and goes on long enough, it may change the overall climate by shifting the course of the jet streams and oceanic currents, altering rainfall patterns, advancing the timing of seasonal changes, and so on. So it's like warming is the trigger and climate change is the detonation.

It's true that global climate has changed many times in the past without any influence from human activities. That does not mean that human activities are having no influence at this time. In fact, some scientists think we have already disrupted the pattern of intermittent glaciation responsible for the series of ice ages that began in the pleistocene. Rather than citing a particular source (because there are many), let me recommend Googling "ice age delayed by humans."


Anonymous said...

The beatitudes cannot be accomplished without the law. No effiminate long haired hippie would ever be the Son of God!

Anonymous said...

Feb 25 9:50

OMG,

anon, it seems you spoke to early about the three stooges.
add martha the zebralite to our fold.

at sep camp we were obliged to send letters of thanks to hwa.
I wish we could send this complete thread to him as a thank you note.

nck

Martha said...

Dude, NCK, I was just trying to answer Ralph's question with an example that didn't complicate things with overuse of the words "haplogroup" or "patrilineal line."

Disclaimer: No long-haired, short-haired or bearded zebras were harmed in the posting of this comment.

Anonymous said...

Interesting that mentioning "Leviticus" brings up Jesus's hairstyle more than any other subject.

This must be a result of the deep biblical studies and understandings imparted by Mr. Armstrong.

Glad to know that HWA helped people to focus on only the most important spiritual matters.

Anonymous said...


Ralph said:

"As a non-academic layman I'm always ready to listen to reason. Can you tell me what happens when your DNA or that of anybody else changes? How would such an occurrence affect your genetics or that of another group of people?"

LOL. Ready to listen to reason? You gotta be kidding me! Was Ralph ready to listen to reason on January 30, 2016 at 5:42 AM, when he wrote:

"I just simply do not grasp the DNA "rejection" of so called 'British-Israelism' and am content to continue with my long held belief."

Steve D said...

Ralph, it's my understanding that the prohibition against beard trimming was because the pagans would trim part of their beards and burn it in a religious ceremony. Most of the prohibitions, such as tatoos, and scarring were because they were part of pagan religious practices. In other words, don't take on their religious practices. These prohibitions have nothing to do with tatoos or beard trimming in general. You are right that there is no commandment for us to have beards.
If HWA asked, why would you want to look like a woman, by having long hair, it is fair for us to ask him the same thing concerning shaving his face to make it look like a woman. The fact that men have whiskers and can grow a beard suggests that "nature" says it is what men should do. Just as "nature" makes it obvious that women should breast feed, because she is designed to do so.

Anonymous said...

Pharisee Ralph - after quoting Lev 19:27, you said:
"However I can't find any commandment that any man MUST grow a beard"

WHat the ffffff... do you think you are cutting when your shave?

You are cutting the corners of your beard, you blind Pharisee!
Sure, your beard is just stubble if you shave almost daily but it's still your beard!

You have proven, once again, that you are an Armstrongite follower who cannot understand the Bible but, you get off on feeling like you speak, or type, as an authority!

You will only interpret the law to be what you want to keep and will ignore what you're not interested in.

You don't keep the law. Yet, Galatians 5:3 Paul tells you Judaizers that if you want to start down that road, you get no exemptions. I know how COG teaching botches that scripture but, try to take off your cult glasses and read it independently.

Are you sure you are not an ex-COG ministurd?

Byker Bob said...

Well, just walk up to your local Hells Angel, or construction worker and dare to call him effeminate for his long hair. See how that works out for you. I've got no axe to grind here, because I've always been an oiler, and can't really handle long hair because after a day, it's all greasy.

There is a big difference between a bearded guy with long hair who ties it into a pony tail, and a guy who dresses in drag with bouffant hair in order to attract gay studs. This is a glaring distinction that apparently Armstrongites are not able to comprehend. (Or they pretend they don't know)

What a joke!

BB

Anonymous said...

You can blaspheme Christ here all you want and he still will not have long hair!

Anonymous said...

Oh Ralphie Boy - when will you learn you should not be quoting Matthew 19 until you sell all your possessions to give to the poor?

Armstronites have to really mangle the holy scriptures to construct their kooky doctrines.

Ralph said...
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Ralph said...

on February 26, 2016 at 6:58 PM
Anonymous said...

"Oh Ralphie Boy - when will you learn you should not be quoting Matthew 19 until you sell all your possessions to give to the poor?"

Mat 19:20 says:- "The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up:..."

Thanks for the compliment, whoever you are, I reached the age of 80 years last November and can't see how this passage applies to me.

cheers
ralph.f

Ralph said...

on February 26, 2016 at 4:14 PM
Anonymous said...

"Sure, your beard is just stubble if you shave almost daily but it's still your beard!"

Sorry Anon, I don't consider a day's facial stubble as being a beard. However, to each his own and we all have the right to express an opinion.

cheers
ralph.f

Anonymous said...

Martha dear,

Of couse I recognized your sincere effort of throwing pearls to swine.

Because of the twofold blessing bestowed upon me by nyuck nyuck I managed to insert the word "zebralite" refering to
1) your comparisson of Israelites (the chosen ones) to Zebra's and 2) a Zebra lite referring to "a zebra of mixed origins"

I do this stuff all the time in my show. Unfortunately I have to rent the hall myself and afterward see the video to at least claim an audience. So have some empathy please.


btw BB.
If such Hells Angel would come up to me I would get my slingshot and harp ready....
I read somewhere that in Roman times short hair for women and long for men would have been associated with prostitution though but I don't know.

I'm more of a Cesarean Praetorian Guard interpreter who would not take orders from a drag.
The "hundred-man" meeting Peter in Cesarea was probably an Italian bloke. Commanding part of Cohors I or II Italica Civium Romanorum. The attachment "Civium Romanorum" probably indicates that the Syrian auxiliaries under his command had been granted Roman citizenship for exceptional bravery in action. Also a Centurion was not a rank but a designation for the senior officer amongst his equals because of his example to the troops.

If we are to pay any respect to such a fine specimen in manlyhood, we should expect Peter to have looked like a man ....to his contemporaries. And yes ladies. True man should use deoderant.


nck

Anonymous said...

nck says that "Centurion was not a rank" but Wikipedia says "A centurion was a professional officer of the Roman army after the Marian reforms of 107 BC."

nck seems to make up a lot of stuff on the fly.

Anonymous said...

Ralph - yes, the doctrines on hair length are of utmost importance in the COGs.
At what length past stubble does a beard become a beard that must be subjected to the law?
All Armstrongite men (and some women) need to know the answer to this life or death question.
I'm surprised there's no booklet on the topic.

Anonymous said...

5:35 anonymous


Centurions are mentioned several times in the New Testament; however, the importance of that designation is usually not appreciated, either by expositors or other bible students. This is primarily because there is no equivalent in the modern military to the centurion. Centurion is not a rank, but rather a class within the military structure. Professor of Classical Studies Colin Wells writes of a continuum from the least senior centurion of a legion as being roughly equivalent to a modern major and the most senior to a one star or Brigadier General.

Wells, Colin, The Roman Empire, Stanford University Press, Stanford, California, 1984
P.138

Dear anonymous,
my purpose in this statement was to shed extra light on the EXEMPlary military man who deemed Peter worthy to command his persona.

Now, I take issue with your comment that I make up "a lot".

I challenge you to come up with only ONE or 1 or I thing I made up and I will answer that question for you.

nck










Anonymous said...

BTW

I was really surprised to find out that people on this blog seem to believe I make things up on hwa. Only until I realized that most here are probably 1974 dissenters.
For the record. I have made NOTHING up. But I have apologized for offending people on a blog dedicated to expose the fringe lunatic ideas of Armstrongism.

nck

Anonymous said...


Anonymous at February 25, 2016 at 9:00 AM said...

“10:09 stated emphatically that Jesus did not have long hair. No one here has provided any proof of that, but instead only speculation and theory. I'm just suggesting that we should be careful with our declarations of things we clearly do not and cannot know.”

“I couldn't care less whether paintings of Jesus portray him with long hair or not. If he had long hair, what difference would it make? Would it negate everything he said and did?”

“Seriously, people need to get the blinders off. We don't know as much as we think we do. Ranting about hair length is one of the silliest, most unproductive things I've observed in more than five decades around the COG movement.”



You certainly do need to get your blinders off. Of course, your unconverted type cannot know anything, and won't care whether idolatrous Catholic paintings try to portray Jesus as having long hair. Since you obviously were not reading the Bible, just exactly what were you doing in those “more than five decades around the COG movement” anyway? Watching too much television? Smoking pot?

A lot of sexually immoral hippies, obviously under the influence of idolatrous Catholic hippie pictures and illegal drugs, mistakenly thought that they were being like Jesus.

In addition to all the other sins and perversions that Hollywood endorses and promotes, it is currently hard at work and play trying to promote GENDER CONFUSION. This devilishly silly idea is to try to make everyone dissatisfied with the way they were born. Boys are supposed to dress, groom, and act like girls, and girls are supposed to dress, groom, and act like boys. The idea is to confuse everybody until the boys don't “identify” with masculinity and want to use the girl's bathroom at school, and the girls don't “identify” with femininity and want to use the boy's bathroom at school. This is the real reason behind such a big, forceful push to get boys into such things as long hair, ear rings, and pink shirts, while the girls wear pants, have crew cuts, cuss, and smoke in their warped attempt at behaving like what they mistakenly think boys should be like. Meanwhile, both boys and girls are encouraged to cover themselves with tattoos and body piercings so their visible bodies can better openly reflect how totally messed up their minds really are. Their brains get further scrambled by the rotten lyrics set to noise that passes for modern music. If they are not careful, they could end up like Anonymous at 9:00 AM.

One of the listed curses for disobedience to God's laws is “confusion of the mind.” If you ever thought that you were suffering from this just because you had difficulty making some little decision, just wait till you see the serious confusion of the mind and body of the people who really are under this curse.

Anonymous said...


Here are some different opinions on which of the TEN COMMANDMENTS to officially reject:

The Catholic church is the largest church with idolatrous hippie pictures and Sunday keeping (and Sabbath breaking).

Many Protestant churches reject idolatrous Catholic hippie pictures, but almost every one of them accepts Catholic Sunday keeping (and Sabbath breaking).

The Seventh Day Adventist church twists differently. It observes the Sabbath and rejects Catholic Sunday keeping, but accepts idolatrous Catholic hippie pictures and tries to help spread them everywhere. The SDA view is that an idol is a golden calf, or possibly your car if you wash it, wax it, and like it too much. In fact, the SDAs think that anything could become an idol. Anything, that is, except the idolatrous Catholic hippie pictures that they feel compelled to put in all their magazines, books, calendars, and portraits on the wall. Just as the Protestants cannot see anything wrong with their Sunday keeping (and Sabbath breaking) that they got from the Catholics, so the SDAs cannot see anything wrong with their idolatrous Catholic hippie pictures that they got from the Catholics and feel an irresistible urge to spread everywhere.

Ralph said...

back to February 26, 2016 at 8:37 PM
my "Tags" failed.

on February 26, 2016 at 6:17
Black Ops Mikey wrote:-

"That's just the point -- DNA doesn't change. It's in every cell of every living thing. It is the blueprint for life.
Studies have shown that DNA -- particularly the Y-Chromosome -- is stable over generations,"

(Above bolding mine)
Hmmn! I guess most people know what the letters GMO represent. How do you suppose genetic engineering is accomplished?
With all due respect, examination of the content of the following links (copy and paste to your browser)
Found here:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/01/23/why-your-dna-isnt-your-destiny.aspx

here:
http://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpage/dna-is-constantly-changing-through-the-process-6524898

here:
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/02/18/eating-wrong-plants-can-mess-dna-expression.aspx

here:
https://www.my46.org/intro/how-does-dna-change

and this 30 minute lively topical discussion:
https://prophecywatchers.com/videos/tom-horn-and-joe-ardis-inhuman/

may give you reason for taking your theories back to the drawing board and reconsidering the whole matter.

cheers
ralph.f

Anonymous said...

You complain that the SDA's cant keep the sabbath right and how they promote a hippie Jesus, yet you keep the bastardized sabbath that Armstrong taught you which has nothing of benefit for a new covenant Christian. In the new covenant, "rest" is not found sitting on your butt in a boring COG service for 2 1/2 hours listening to 150 bullet points. Rest is found in Jesus alone. Not in holy days, kosher food laws, sabbath keeping, or in a myriad of "holy" days the denigrate everything that Jesus taught or what the kingdom of God is currently bring to this world. Give me a hippie Jesus any day over the sickness that is the Church of God.

Ralph said...

on February 25, 2016 at 5:54 PM
Black Ops Mikey wrote:

".... there are other proofs that you can read about in A Foundation of Sand: The Lie of British Israelism."

Well, Black Ops, I have logged into the 'flip book' "A Foundation Of Sand..." and begun reading it. I must say I do like this kind of presentation and have bookmarked it for further study. So far I have read up to page 12 and am starting to form the opinion that this is the publication of another 'naysayer'. There are plenty of those around. However I'll withhold final 'judgment' until I have studied the whole book.

One negative point I have found is on page 12 which reads-quote:
"Israel will keep the Sabbath (Exodus 31:13)
Fact. Aside from the Jews, what nations have kept the Old Testament, seventh day Sabbath? If anything, this verse is evidence against British Israelism, as Western Europeans have been predominantly Catholic and Protestant throughout their histories and therefore observant of Sunday as a day of religious worship."

Exo 31:13 reads "Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you." (AKJ)

I understand this to be a commandment and not a prediction as the author seems to think. Problem was/is, the "British Israelites" didn't/don't keep it up which is one reason why, I believe, they/we are slowly but surely experiencing the 'curses' of Deut.28:15 today.

An interesting quote is found at the top of page 2 of the book viz.
"However, the concept itself has been around since the 2nd century BCE"
Now that's a mighty long time for a concept to exist.

cheers
ralph.f

Ralph said...

on February 27, 2016 at 11:25 AM
Anonymous wrote:

"Just as the Protestants cannot see anything wrong with their Sunday keeping...."

I think most of us know that the weekly Sabbath begins at sunset on the 6th day of the week and ends at sundown on the following day, the 7th day of the week.
However, do you have an opinion as to WHERE the Sabbath BEGINS

cheers
ralph.f.

Anonymous said...

Ralph - back to Matthew 19. The young man said he kept the commandments from his youth. Jesus did not refute his assertion but then told him to go sell all that he has for the sake of the poor.

Why do you blubbering COGers ignore that part of the instruction so that you can proceed to your smug diatribes?

Anonymous said...


Ralph at 1:36 PM said...

“I think most of us know that the weekly Sabbath begins at sunset on the 6th day of the week and ends at sundown on the following day, the 7th day of the week. However, do you have an opinion as to WHERE the Sabbath BEGINS



The WCG under HWA taught that the current weekly cycle began in Genesis 1:1-2:3 and that the weekly Sabbath begins at sunset at the end of the sixth day of the week, as that sunset comes to you wherever you are around the world.

Anonymous said...


Anonymous at February 27, 2016 at 11:47 AM said...

“You complain that the SDA's cant keep the sabbath right and how they promote a hippie Jesus, yet you keep the bastardized sabbath that Armstrong taught you which has nothing of benefit for a new covenant Christian. In the new covenant, "rest" is not found sitting on your butt in a boring COG service for 2 1/2 hours listening to 150 bullet points. Rest is found in Jesus alone. Not in holy days, kosher food laws, sabbath keeping, or in a myriad of "holy" days the denigrate everything that Jesus taught or what the kingdom of God is currently bring to this world. Give me a hippie Jesus any day over the sickness that is the Church of God.”



I did not complain that the SDA's can't keep the Sabbath right, just that they are into Catholic idolatry. My complaint now is that you can't read.

HWA taught that a lot of professing Christians seem to think that Jesus was some smart-alec young man who came to do away with his father's laws.

If you ever try working seven days a week, like some people do in factories in China, be sure to come back here and let everyone know how restful that is. Maybe then you will understand why Jesus said that “the Sabbath was made for man” in Mark 2:27-28.

Byker Bob said...

Boy, somebody sure didn't like hippies! Basically, they were just young people who were looking for new answers that they felt that conventional society could not provide. In that, they were not unlike the people whose personal odysseys landed them in
Armstrongism. The hippies just didn't see jingoism and phariseeism as solutions to the problems caused by human nature. If you were to read some of the materials written by people who were part of the movement, and perhaps purchased and listened to some Grateful Dead CDs, perhaps you would no longer hate. This is from someone who once hated hippies and everything they stood for. Clearly, they had their downside, but some of the attitudes and intentions they expressed were laudable and revolutionary.

BB

Frank said...

Hippies rock! COG not so much.

Ralph said...

on February 27, 2016 at 4:31 PM
Anonymous wrote:

"The WCG under HWA taught that the current weekly cycle began in Genesis 1:1-2:3 and that the weekly Sabbath begins at sunset at the end of the sixth day of the week, as that sunset comes to you wherever you are around the world."

So, is that your opinion also?

cheers
ralph.f

Ralph said...

on February 27, 2016 at 3:22 PM
Anonymous wrote:

"Why do you blubbering COGers ignore that part of the instruction so that you can proceed to your smug diatribes? "

I thought I answered to that topic previously in saying that I am not a young man as described in this particular passage "Mat 19:20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?" and can't see how this scripture would apply to me. I don't understand your 'beef'.

In any case this instance , I believe, was to illustrate a facet of idolatry. Whilst the "young man" stated in Mat 19:20.... All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?" he worshiped his riches more than he worshiped Yehovah and was not prepared to change his allegiance.

As an aside, I've been there done that and now my allegiance IS to Yehovah.

By the way:
from Merriam_Webster: Main Entry: "1blub£ber
Pronunciation:*bl*-b*r
Function:verb
Inflected Form:blub£bered ; blub£ber£ing \*bl*-b(*-)ri*\
Etymology:Middle English blubren to make a bubbling sound, from bluber
Date:15th century
intransitive senses : to weep noisily
transitive senses
1 : to swell, distort, or wet with weeping
2 : to utter while weeping"

Whenever did you see or hear me "blubber?" If you don't agree with my comments, simple solution, don't read them. Unless you find them so compelling that you feel you have to respond in one way or another, even if is in a negative or insulting manner.

cheers
ralph.f