Friday, June 2, 2017

Narcissists in the Pulpit

"There just must be some personality disorder that causes people to lose their capacity for embarrassment. What other explanation could there be?"
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Narcissism in the Pulpit


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(Excerpts)

"Generally it takes a long time before this devious individual is identified for who and what he really is, and some of the most gifted are able to survive for years in one location. Many though will have short tenures. Depending on the size of the congregation and the perceptiveness of the leadership it may take 6 months to a couple of years before the problem is clearly perceived— that the pastor is devoid of spiritual depth, personal character, and really could care less about the welfare of the sheep. If the destructive characteristics are not identified and the narcissist is allowed to minister long-range, serious problems will manifest. The NPD pastors can be very abusive and destructive to the church, and wreak havoc in the personal lives of those closest to them— particularly staff and leadership." 


Copying Authorities:

 Most of the narcissists you will deal with in the pulpit will be educated people, with high IQs, middle class backgrounds and good schooling—but as you get to know them you will think their thinking and behaviour is not only illogical but borders on bizarre. You will have to get to know them quite well in order to understand them. Realize that their life is filled up with bits and pieces that are borrowed from other people—people whom they see as authorities in specific areas. These authorities will usually be people that they have met or know, and may not even be viewed as an authority by other people—just by the narcissist. It is from these people that the narcissist will form his opinions, tastes, ideas, specific behaviours—all those things that make up their visible lives.

“Some narcissists seek to imitate or even emulate their (ever changing) role models. It is as if by imitating the object of his envy, the narcissist becomes that object. So, narcissists are likely to adopt their boss’ typical gestures, the vocabulary of a successful politician, the dress code of a movie star, the views of an esteemed tycoon, even the countenance and actions of the (fictitious) hero of a movie or a novel.” (Vaknin)

Criticalness:

Staff members will be the brunt of nit-picky criticalness day in and day out. Nothing will ever be good enough and most everything will have be changed to suit the bosses wishes. A thick skin is a prerequisite for working around the narcissist.
“And they criticize, gripe, and complain about almost everything and almost everyone almost all the time. There are usually a favored few whom narcissists regard as absolutely above reproach, even for egregious misconduct or actual crime, and about whom they won’t brook the slightest criticism. These are people the narcissists are terrified of, though they’ll tell you that what they feel is love and respect; apparently they don’t know the difference between fear and love. Narcissists just get worse and worse as they grow older; their parents and other authority figures that they’ve feared die off, and there’s less and less outside influence to keep them in check.”

Authoritarian:

The narcissistic pastor is obsessed with who has the power in the church. They may even pick one or more people that becomes their authority and sounding board for almost every decision. They may argue vehemently with that person, but will always want to know their opinion.
“At other times, the intimidation dynamic may be more overt, such as when the NPD person directly wields his authority by making continual references to the differences in your positions of power, professional stature, status or money.” (Payson p. 39)

‘Narcissists are totally and inflexibly authoritarian…. 

They want to be authority figures and, short of that, they want to be associated with authority figures. In their hearts, they know they can’t think well, have no judgment about what matters, are not connected with the world they inhabit, so they cling fanatically to the opinions of people they regard as authority figures — such as their parents, teachers, doctors, ministers. Where relevant, this may include scientists or professors or artists, but narcissists stick to people they know personally, since they aren’t engaged enough with the world to get their authoritative opinions from TV, movies, books or dead geniuses/saints/heroes. If they get in trouble over some or another opinion they’ve put forth, they’ll blame the source– ‘It was okay with Dr. Somebody,’ ‘My father taught me that,’ etc.” (Ashmun) 

Rarely will you see a narcissist pour themselves “whole-heartedly” into their work (though they will usually tell you how many hours they put in), because they really have no passion for their work. Rather they are borrowing their opinions and preferences and tastes from whoever strikes them as an authority at the moment....'

15 comments:

Homer said...

Quote from the article "The NPD pastors can be very abusive and destructive to the church, and wreak havoc in the personal lives of those closest to them— particularly staff and leadership."

Maybe family members should be included as well.

Connie Schmidt said...

Mirror Mirror On The Wall...

Who is the Kookiest Cult Leader of them all?

Mirror Mirror On The Wall...

Which COG Prophet is the next to Fall?

Tony Bullard said...

Stop their paychecks and they won't be so high-n-mighty .

Anonymous said...

I disagree that narcissists tend to be well educated. In my experience narcissists can develop from all spheres of society.

Anonymous said...

Bob Thiel is not educated, in spite of his fake degrees. If he were he would not say 98% of the silly stuff he does. Dave Pack's only education came from sitting at the feet of HWA. He has never advanced past that stage of learning.

DennisCDiehl said...

So, narcissists are likely to adopt their boss’ typical gestures, the vocabulary of a successful politician, the dress code of a movie star, the views of an esteemed tycoon, even the countenance and actions of the (fictitious) hero of a movie or a novel.” (Vaknin)

Or copy their booklets, duplicate their colleges, adopt their titles or even fly in the same style and type aircraft the hero was accustomed to.

The Painful Truth said...

"There just must be some personality disorder that causes people to lose their capacity for embarrassment. What other explanation could there be?"
Biker Bob

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Right on Bob! But I would put it all on a mental disorder!

Anonymous said...

I believe that 'fanatically clinging to the opinions of authority figures' is a normal phase of human growth. I don't see any way around it since 'prove all things' is a lifelong ongoing process, yet in the meanwhile, decisions have to be made. Christ acknowledged this vulnerability with His 'don't offend one of these little ones.' The only condemnation is when people refuse to grow in knowledge and decision making, leaving them stuck in 'clinging to authority figures' mode.
And how many abusive cults jump and stomp on members (eg beware of self esteem and self confidence) so that they never outgrow this 'mommy and daddy' mode.

Byker Bob said...

I agree, James! And it is a spreadable mental disorder!

What happens when someone seeks therapy? Hopefully, the therapist is more stable, has a larger pool of experience, and is able to superimpose a better, safer, more logical approach to problem-solving, an effective code of guidelines for daily life on patients.

When people surrender to guides who are mentally skewed, or batshit crazy, and buy into their thinking methods, it can be another method by which mental illness is spread. Paranoia is not just the organic function of a defective brain. It can be induced. Same with depression. People who act in the valence of their narcissistic leaders take on the characteristics of narcissism themselves. And all of this is part of the "group think" of Armstrongism! If, as a member, you don't take it on like everybody else, the group interprets that as a lack of conversion. They want you to think and act like their paranoid and narcissistic "leaders". When ridiculous statements are made by the leaders, they want to see you shake your head in affirmation. They want minds that are conditioned to forget even the most devastating errors of their leaders.

BB

Paul Ray said...

I came to feel sorry for GTA, a narcissist among narcissists. He was trying to recreate, the best he could with the limited amount of cash from tithes, the church as it was when he was treated like a young god. Imagine what it was like for him back then. It must have been terrible on the ego to go from that to speaking in motel meeting rooms. Or maybe I am being overly harsh. Maybe he made peace with it and was enjoying the ride- his "retirement" years, so to speak. He was comfortable. Maybe he no longer had the adoration of the masses, but he had the adoration of at least a few. Perhaps that was enough for his retirement days.

Anonymous said...

Paul
You felt sorry for GTA cause he was reduced to speaking in motel meeting rooms?
I don't know what universe you live in, but as a Christian, being persecuted by family, work colleagues, and even within the church, was the norm.
We are treated like dog crap, while poor Ted had to speak in motels. Shhhhish.

Anonymous said...

Thank you very much for sharing this BB. I now have some insites into my hipacrip dad that I didn't have before. Found the full 24 pages you quoted... if you read it all I'd advise multiple small runs at it because its a lot of info to try and get.

I don't like using the anon mask but must this time :(

Byker Bob said...

Dennis is the one who shared this material, and deserves the credit, 11:12. He opened the post with a recent paragraph from me, and then offered his materials as the explanation that I had sought.

As a PK myself, I would hope that when my dad was in his prime, these descriptions would not have applied to him. He never made any of the negative lists that I've ever seen.

BB

NO2HWA said...

Your dad was his own unique man! I liked him.

Anonymous said...

Thanks BB for catching my mistake. And A BIG thank you to Dennis for sharing this. Still haven't read it yet been busy & there's 26 pages not 24 sorry will have to make sure I do a better job on proof reading my posts... adjusts mask & slips into the depths of the dark web