Ron Weinland: "...was hand-selecting the “leadership” of the church based on how completely gullible and easily manipulated they were."

Juror 215 has posted another tidbit on Mike's blog.  I am still in amazement at the things that Weinland did.    Corruption is nothing new in the leadership of the Churches of God. It has been going on for so long that most are really good at covering their tracks.  But not so in Weinland's case.  He comes across as an incredibly stupid little man.  Apparently, according to this juror, he surrounded himself will a bunch of bumbling idiots. These morons are the ones preaching to the flock every week too.  How sick is that!

Juror#215 says:

June 22, 2012 at 08:18

Trial tidbit of the day:

Johnny Harrell – Co-conspirator or Clueless?

I believe that there has been some discussion here regarding Johnny Harrell, Mr Weinland’s ‘Senior Evangelist’ and how much he really knows about the chruch’s scams. Mr Harrell took the stand for the defense, but he really didn’t do anything to help Mr Weinland’s case at all. He came across in his testimony as a bumbling fool. For example…

In an attempt to prove that the Swiss bank account was really church money and not the Weinland’s personal money, Ron and Laura flew Johnny and his wife to Switzerland with them (Mr Harrell testified that he paid for their own expenses for this trip) in order to have Johnny sign a Power of Attorney form there, giving him the rights to the account in the case of the Weinland’s death. I believe that this was in 2004 or 2005. Now, this seems like a plausible defense to establish the $400,000 in the Swiss bank as being church money and not personal, until the prosecution began their cross-examination.

Did Mr Harrell know how much money was in the account? No.

Did Mr Harrell know the account number? No.

Did Mr Harrell REALLY know what the Power of Attorney form was that he had signed? No.

The prosecution had Mr Harrell read some of the content on the PoA form aloud for the court. He stumbled over the words, not seeming to understand the relatively simple legal jargon. The prosecution asked him the meaning of what he had read, and he really didn’t know. Johnny came across as just an especially clueless minion, and it appeared to the jury during our deliberations, that based on the church elders that we had seen in the trial, that Mr Weinland was hand-selecting the “leadership” of the church based on how completely gullible and easily manipulated they were. Mr Weinland needed someone who could access that money in the event of an emergency, but he wanted to make sure that the person he chose had no clue what they were doing.

One particularly telling part of his testimony was when the prosecution was trying to ask him questions about Mrs Weinland, and to give some kind of evidence that she had done SOMETHING in the church, other than being Mr Weinland’s wife, that justified Ron declaring her the Second Witness. Mr Harrell’s response back to the attorney was to turn red in the face, get a wild look in his eye, and start screaming, “READ YOUR BIBLE!” It has apparently never occurred to him that other people in the world might read the bible and come up with an entirely different interpretation of it than what has been forced upon them by Ron all of these years.

It was just sad and pathetic.

Apostle Malm: "There is no sin in warning of possibilities as long as we do not declare such possibilities as facts "

Not all of apostle Malm's followers latch on to his every word.  Some have questioned his "prophetic understanding" which has really ticked him off.  He is also not happy that Prophet Thiel is ragging on him again.

The apostle wants you to know that there is no problem if  his predictions don't come to pass, as long as he does not say, "In the name of the Lord" when he utters his earth shattering prophecies.He can lie all he wants and its OK as long as he doesn't say, "In the name of the Lord" afterwards.

Red highlights mine:

The signs are biblical; as to when these things will come, that is up to God. Whether I am correct in warning of the possibility for this year, will be proved out by events as to being true or false.

There is no sin in warning of possibilities as long as we do not declare such possibilities as facts and do not do so in the “Name of the Lord”. To do that would be presumptious and would make one a falee prophet if they do not happen.

I remind everyone that I have NEVER declared anything in the Name of the Lord and have always clearly published that all the signs had to be present and that any dates I presented were only possibilities and NOT set in stone facts.

I remind everyone that HWA did presumptously declare many such predictions in the “Name of the Lord”: ALL of which failed; and this is what the scripture has to say about what HWA did.
Deu 18:20 But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die. 21 And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the Lord hath not spoken? 22 When a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

Those who call me false and then blindly follow HWA are double minded; since I NEVER declared anything in the “Name of the Lord” and was always very careful to explain that I was only discussing possibilities.

Bob Thiel is on the attack again although at least he now appears to be admitting that I am not setting dates [saying I am speculating]; instead of lying about me as he has done in the past. James

Apostle Malm: Most of God's Saints Live In North America

Apostle Malm stated today that the two witnesses will start their "witness" here in the North America.  Because -  most of the true saints are North Americans.  Even though apostle Malm is a Canadian, there is strong doubt that the two witnesses will arise from COG members in Canada since there are so few of them any more.  Unless of course the apostle started believing he is one of them. That seems to be the logical progression of Armstrongite prophets.

This has always been one of my pet peeves of Armstrognism, that it believes it's self so significant, set apart, and special that its most important members are Americans.  Most of the ministry in foreign countries were Americans set over train them in the truth.   This is not unique to Armstrongism, as conservative Evangelicals also believe the same malarkey.  Religious Americans view themselves as set apart from the rest of humanity when it comes to following their God. Armstrongites write off most of Europe because it is Catholic.  Any good COGger knows that they are all part of the great whore that will soon help destroy the U.S.

Look at the response of American Christians and COGers towards the Christian being slaughtered in Iraq, Egypt, Central Africa and Indonesia.  They sit in their comfy chairs and click their tongues and do nothing.  They can't be really true believers since they don't live here. Prophet Thiel, the official spokesman for the Living Church of God, makes that abundantly clear when he labels all Christians outside LCG as "so-called" Christians. What self righteous tripe!

Then there are the Hindu's, Muslims, Buddhists, which are considered pagan.  Just look at the spittle that flew from apostle Malm when he went ballistic that Herman Hoeh might have been a closet Buddhist (which he wasn't.)

Thanks to the British Israel malarkey that started being promulgated in the early 1880's by British invaders trying to civilize the world, and then later latched on to by HWA, America became the Chosen Nation.  Set apart with the godliest ministers and believers that humanity has ever seen. The rest of the world be damned!

The two prophets will DIE at Jerusalem! NO where do the scriptures state or even imply that they shall spend their entire ministry in Jerusalem!

They will probably start in North America [because most of the saints are there] and begin warning the faithful and the world; and they will have the power to take the faithful to the prepared place and then continue on to Jerusalem or wherever else; and continue warning the world and preaching the Gospel from wherever they are at.

Ron Weinland: You Too Can Buy Three BMW's, Just Follow My Easy Steps

2007 BMW



One of Ron Weinalnd's jurors revealed how Ron was able to buy three BMW's.  If you are in the market for three BMW's, here's how to get them on the same credit application.  Notice at the end how he conveniently lost his memory and blamed BMW.  It's always the other guys fault since no true prophet of God could EVER make a mistake.

Juror#215 says:

June 21, 2012 at 08:44

Trial tidbit of the day:
The Mystery of the BMW Credit Application
This was a particularly interesting subset of the trial testimony and evidence. When Mr Weinland purchased the three BMWs in 2007, he really only had to fill out the credit application for the first one; when he purchased cars 2 & 3, the BMW Store printed out pre-filled out credit applications from the data stored in the computer system from what he filled out the first time, and the Weinlands just had to sign them.

That first application was hand-written, filled out by Mr Weinland himself, but listing Laura as the primary applicant and Ron as a co-applicant. When you get down to the “income” section of the application, Gross Income is listed as $175,000, and Other Income as $60,000+ (just like that, with the + symbol on the app after 60K). However, two things are clear- First, that the credit application was obviously faxed back and forth, as the usual text that appears at the top of any faxed page is shown at the top of it. Second, that the $175,000 written in the Gross Income space is written with a different pen and in a different handwriting.

The prosecution called as witnesses both the BMW salesperson (now retired), and another person from the BMW Store who I believe worked in or with the Finance Department at the time. The prosecution asked them why another person would have filled out the Gross Income field in the application. They both stated that if one or more required fields of the application is returned to the store blank, either the salesperson or the finance manager would call that customer directly and get the details to fill in that field over the phone. It is perfectly legal for someone at the BMW Store to fill in the Gross Income on a credit application as long as they have received verbal confirmation from the customer as to the accuracy of the information. To fill in this field without consulting the customer is illegal, and they would not do that.

So, it was resonable to deduce that Mr Weinland had faxed the credit application back with a blank Gross Income field, and that someone at the BMW Store had called them directly to let them know that the $60K+ in the “Other Income” field wasn’t going to cut it, and they needed to provide their real income if they wanted to get that new BMW. It was also reasonable to deduce that someone in the Weinland household had given them that $175,000 figure, since they really wanted that car.

When Mr Weinland himself took the stand, the prosecution, on cross-examination, showed him this credit application again, and asked him where the BMW Store got that $175,000 figure for Gross Income. He claimed to not know WHERE that number came from, and implied that the BMW Store em

I think I will head down to the BMWdealer tonight and go shopping.

Ron Weinland: Bikini Hater

I had to laugh at a commenter on Mike's blog today that uses the name 'Budgie Smuggler".  He had this to say when asked what the meaning was:

Budgie Smuggers ( Australian slang ) for speedo sports swiming trunks, for which I am known for wearing around my home, and at the beach etc:, some time ago Ron banned the wearing of such garments, as well as the bikini ?  yeap , go figure ? ….. when I read this I thought it appropriate for this forum, as a kind of personal protest at this mans stupidity…… what I’m supposed to walk around naked ?

Meredith seemed to have an issue with them too.  Probably still does.  I remember when he went into a fit of rage when the music department in Pasadena, under direction of the Long's, did a ballet in the Auditorium.  Meredith start spitting and foaming that he could tell who was circumcised and who wasn't.

Sex always seems to be at the forefront with so many of these upper-class COG ministurds for some reason.   It was always the American preachers that were having fits about these things.  Their cultural norms were expected to be exported around the world. Dark wool suits with dress shirt and tie were the norm in may  tropical countries for decades until someone used their brain and asked "why?"