Friday, August 24, 2012

Dennis On: "And You KNOW This?"





And You KNOW This?

Dennis Diehl - EzineArticles Expert AuthorI have to confess, I did a lot of this myself in my youthful know it all because I read in the Bible past.  If it is one thing a COG minister or member can do, it is to declare the absolute truth of matters that few humans could ever know.  Sometimes I am forced because the person telling me how it all is to ask them if they understand quantum physics?   Of course, all say "well no, not really."   But for the last ten minutes you have told me that you understand completely the plan, intentions, mind, characteristics and demands of the Deity?  Really?  And you KNOW this?  At least there are many physicists who do fairly well understand Quantum Physics, but that is because they have spent a lifetime doing the hard work required to think and run the data, do the math or launch the probe to find out such things.  Spend an evening watching ...







....and you will be exposed to more understanding, hard won, than any human before you learned in 100,000 years.   While creationists and mere Bible readers sit home and read books, real scientists are out in the real world doing the hard work to see how things really work.  They sit home thinking up ridiculous explanations for the Grand Canyon so that it ends up part of the mythic Noah story while real paleontologists and geologists are actually in the Grand Canyon doing the hard work of where did it come from and how long did it take.

I do not know James Malm.  I suspect he is very sincere.  He's an excellent Bible reader, as we were all taught to be.  This, however, is not the same as understanding it's origins, background and intent of a book that is just a book and in reality is not and was not written or channeled to men from any Deity. 

How common it is for COG zealots to tell us all:

"God wants us..."
"God is telling us..."
"We know we know the truth..."
"We know the end is near.."
"God is purifying his church..."
"We know we are God's true church..."
"I am that Apostle.."
"We have the truth.."
"Time is short...(again and still)

and so on.   

To which we simply have to say,  "And you KNOW this?" 

I will spare us all, but I always had issues with Gerald Waterhouse and his flip the switch in his head, autopilot sermons given to keep us all tuned into the "Work" and "Mr. Urmstrong."    I sat there , as did we all, listening to speculation promoted as truth and opinions portrayed as truth.  I never bought into it from the start.  I did not grow up in WCG and Gerald Waterhouse's sermons always, from the start, made me say in my head,  "And you know this?"   Of course he didn't.  From going before Kings to fleeing to the place of safety, the voice in my head always said,  "And you know this?"   The last time I ever had him visit my church area I finally told him  "your sermons cause more problems than they solve and I am directing the questions they raise to you and not bothering with them anymore."   All he said was , "Really?"   Yes....really.

I  suppose I could quote ten thousand examples of COG guru types telling the brethren how it all is.   Dave Pack is good at it and in his wildest dreams could not imagine he is simply wrong on how it all is.  Ron Weinland is the master of the same old sermon given every week where he tells the faithful how it all is, how God thinks, what God is doing and what their part in it all is."  One is simply left asking..."And you KNOW this."

Gerald Flurry, Bob Thiel, Rod Meredith, Dave Pack, Ron Weinland, James Malm and hundreds more just know how it all is, what God, Jesus and the Angels of heaven are thinking and doing...just ask them.   Sadly and of course, (my favorite Bob Thiel quote),  they really don't. 

Let's face it.  Jesus, the Apostle Paul and all the leaders of the Jerusalem Church were wrong about the times they lived in and how it all was going to play out.  If you can't admit that, then I can't help you.  Paul, Peter, James and John were just as much false prophets of their immediate times as any preacher today who thinks they have special insight into the mind of any God.   At least Paul admitted he was wrong as he left the planet and left others to fend for themselves.

How do we know that those like Pack and Flurry don't really believe or mean that we or they are in the end times?  Just look at what they do.  You don't build a campus to fuel your "Ediface Complex" when you think any Jesus is about to return.  Subconsciously, they bullshit themselves and those that follow them.  Sadly and of course, (sorry:)  , they quote "blessed is he who is found so doing," to cover their tracks.  Sadly and of course, (sorry again), that is not the context of the quote.

I have a number of friends who into metaphysics just as much as any Church of God minister is into the Bible and end time misunderstood prophecy.  They say things like,  "Michael the Archangel is now .....",   or " Mars is in Leo so expect a war of lions...this Wednesday.." and so on.  I think to them too,  "And You KNOW this?"  It's all the same silliness. 

I personally do not believe humans can know the future and prophecy is just the human tendency to speculate and see patterns.  Whether we like it or not, much Old Testament "prophecy" was false and never , never, never world out as advertised.  We embrace prophecy because it helps us cope with the present.  We all need to know it will be ok and work out.  That is why you hear,  "I have read the end of the story, and we win."  And you KNOW this?

 The future has not yet arrived and when it does will simply be another present moment.  If prophecy is true, then we have no free choice and are living in a Godplay video game.  I am tempted to say that the Euro and the United States of Europe is dead in the water, but the idea of it "part of iron and part of clay" sticks in my mind from the past.   Being God-Haunted and superstitious is a legacy of the WCG and all who read the book of Revelation like one would a blog or newspaper.

Even on this site we hear comments that "Satan wants you all to...."  or "The true Christian will....."    It's all the same thing.   Making statements that no one could prove in a way that sounds as if the conclusion is true and right.   All it does is hold up the self righteous and piss off the skeptic.  But having the ability to say,  "And you KNOW this?"  or even,  "and I KNOW this?"  is a skill that at least shows we have a bit of humility in all this knowing. 

If I had to look into the future, this is what I see.   First of all, I will personally grow old and die, if I am lucky.  I don't know how or when I will die, but I seriously doubt I will be changed in a moment , a twinkling of an eye , into a god or born such and such.  I would like to be, but I am being practical here and going on past human experiences with living and dying.  I don't wish to die in some nasty manner or alone, but it will be what it will be.  Next, I expect Dave Pack, Rod Meredith, Gerald Flurry, James Malm, Bob Thiel and everyone else will die in time too.  Some sooner, some later.  Life is a conveyor belt.  Some never get on it.  Some get on and fall off fairly quickly. Some ride it half way or three quarters.  Some even get to ride it out to the end.  (My parents are 97)  But eventually and somewhere along the line, we fall off the conveyor.  Our only concern is if someone sweeps us up off the floor and gives us another shot.

I predict Ron Weinland is going to prison.

On this site comments are always reactions to the comments of others.  We all know how to say, "and You KNOW that?" but we say it in different ways.  Some by discussion and some by rancor. 

There is a wonderful Buddhist saying that says,  "He who says, does not know and he who knows, does not say."   That works for me.  Those who crow the loudes about who and what God is and Jesus is doing probably don't really know and don't know that they don't know.  Those who let things be as they are , are probably better off emotionally and spiritually not letting those who know pressure, intimidate or bullshit them into living their own lives through the filters and eyes of another. 

Around Greenville, if you go to Bob Jones University, you are known as a "Joneser", not unlike those who like to use the term "Armstrongist."  I have asked students who they are and they always tell me, "I go to Bob Jones."   Really sad actually.  I asked who you are, not where you went to school, but they form themselves into the image and views of the Jones boys.  Authenticity tends to elude Jonesers. 

So, what's the point?  I suppose just developing the mental skill to ask, "and you KNOW this," when WCGers, Armstrongists, the Packatolla, Flurryites, Weiners , Malmists, and COGgers tell us how it all is.    It disarms the arrogance and frees you personally from wondering if you are missing something you just don't see or agree with.

Amen..... 

Dennis C. Diehl
DenniscDiehl@aol.com

Thursday, August 23, 2012

WCG/GCI Minister In Philippines Killed in Plane Crash




Capt. Jessup Bahinting


MANILA, Philippines - The wife of Capt. Jessup Bahinting, the pilot of the ill-fated Piper Seneca, wondered why he was rushing to his flight to Naga, forgetting even to kiss her as he always did in the past.
Margaret Bahinting was very emotional and still in shock when she faced the media to describe her husband of 36 years.

On that fateful day on Saturday, she was at the Mactan Cebu International Airport hangar to send off her husband with the hope of seeing him in the next few days in Bacolod for a Church event. Bahinting is also a pastor. They have 3 children.

Bahinting, Interior and Local Government Secretary Jesse Robredo and co-pilot Nepalese co-pilot Kshitiz Chand remain missing Monday after their Piper Seneca plane crashed off the waters of Masbate on Saturday afternoon.    Robredo's pilot didn't use favorite plane

Captain’s wife dismayed husband not found on pilot seat

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CEBU CITY—Margarita Bahinting, the wife of Captain Jessup Bahinting, chairman and executive officer of Aviatour Air, expressed dismay at the reports that her husband was found on the right side of the cockpit, saying this was erroneous.

She said that her husband was on the left side of the plane, on the seat of the main pilot. She said the media reports could be misconstrued that Bahinting had allowed the student pilot, Kshitiz Chand, 21, to handle the plane.

Chand’s body was found floating near the crash site Thursday morning.

The bodies of the two pilots of the light plane that crashed off Masbate with Interior Secretary Jesse Robredo were flown to Cebu on Thursday.

The body of Bahinting, 61, was accompanied by his daughter Sarah Lynn on board a Beechcraft RPC 9980 plane, which landed at the Mactan Cebu International Airport at 8:01 a.m.

At 3:03 p.m., Cessna 182 RPC 2214 arrived with the body of Bahinting’s Nepali co-pilot, Chand.

Bahinting and Chand piloted the Piper Seneca plane that was supposed to bring Robredo from Cebu to Naga City in Camarines Sur. But the plane reportedly experienced engine trouble and was trying to make an emergency landing at the Masbate Airport when it crashed into the sea.

Bahinting’s body was retrieved from the right side of the cockpit on Wednesday, according to media reports. Sarah identified her father through his Fossil watch and ring.



Ace pilot comes home

Capt.Jessup Bahinting finally arrived home in Cebu yesterday.

His widow Margarita burst into tears when the body bag containing the pilot’s body emerged from the Beechcraft Baron 55, accompanied by their youngest daughter, Sarah Lynn.

The plane owned by Cheyn Air touched down 8 a.m. in the Aviatour Air hangar in Mactan.

About 200 flight students, pilots and instructors gathered at the hangar to join the sad welcome party.

Some wept openly, including the couple’s fellow members of the Christian congregation Grace Communion International.
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The retrieval of Chand completed the five-day search and rescue operation which was spearheaded by the Armed Forces of the Philippines and the Philippine Coast Guard. Volunteer technical divers of different nationalities and local fishermen played important roles in the operations.

Capt. Bahinting, founder and CEO of Aviatour was a church pastor who was active in charity and mercy missions.

He flew patients from hinterland communities in the Visayas and Mindanao and volunteered for disaster relief work in the Ginsaugon, Leyte landslide in 2007, the Sendong floods in Cagayan de Oro and Iligan cities in December last year and the earthquake that badly hit Negros Oriental in January this year.


 

HWA Films Preserved Forever In Library of Congress



Gerald Flurry, affectionately known as Six Pack McFlurry, is reporting on his site that Herbert Armstrong's television broadcasts from 1972 - 1986 are now preserved in the The Library of Congress Film and Television Archives. U.S. Congress Preserving Herbert W. Armstrong Video Archive

The United States Library of Congress Film and Television Archives contain all episodes of the World Tomorrow program featuring unofficial ambassador for world peace Herbert W. Armstrong, dating from 1972 through 1986.

You need to give Bob Dole the thanks for this miraculous event.

On April 4, 1977, President Jimmy Carter hosted a state dinner in honor of the Egyptian president at the White House. Sen. Bob Dole was in attendance, along with Mr. Armstrong’s youngest son, who assisted him during that time in presenting the World Tomorrow broadcast.

The dinner aided in opening doors for The World Tomorrow, featuring special interviews with Mr. Sadat and episodes highlighting challenges facing American farmers, coinciding with Mr. Dole’s service on the U.S. Senate Committee for Agriculture. 

I have to laugh that Six Pack and crew cannot mention Garner Ted's name.  Is it because GTA was a more dynamic and engaging speaker than Six Pack will ever be?

It was in 1978 during his tenure as Kansas senator that Mr. Dole made the request for the preservation of episodes of The World Tomorrow. The request was approved and ensured the cataloging by the U.S. Library of Congress of all programs dating from 1972 through to the death of its founder and presenter.  

Then as usual, Six Pack then launches into his usual tired and over worked tirade about the betrayal of Herb's legacy and how he and John Amos were picked on and fired.  Oh boo hoo!

With Mr. Armstrong’s death, in a great betrayal of trust, his successors sought to subsequently eliminate his written, spoken and otherwise documented teachings. A battle officially began on Dec. 7, 1989, with the firing of Trumpet founder Gerald Flurry and his assistant John Amos from the employ of the church established by Christ through Herbert Armstrong. Both these men were intent on preserving Herbert Armstrong’s legacy in resistance to those bent on destroying all records of Mr. Armstrong and his legacy.

Mr. Flurry and Mr. Amos’s contention revolved around the rejection of the man and message evidenced in The World Tomorrow reaching over 400 stations, the Plain Truth magazine with over 8 million subscribers, and an unofficial ambassadorial bond with global leaders, culminating in Mr. 

Then Six Pack starts boasting, ala Dave Pack Primary School of Self Promotion, on how his television program is recognized around the world as the successor to Herb's World Tomorrow broadcast.  Who recognizes that?  Certainly not the world because Six Pack's programs are not recognizable and are making no impact whatsoever.



By January 1993, with Gods Future World now renamed the Key of David television program, the first episode aired nationwide of what viewers worldwide now recognize as the heir to the World Tomorrow broadcast. Armstrong’s final and finest book, Mystery of the Ages. 
Reaching an ever broadening worldwide audience, especially via the Internet, the Key of David has established itself as the only source of the pure, unadulterated preservation of the preaching of Jesus Christ’s prophetic gospel message in the tradition of Herbert Armstrong.
The "only source?"  Even my cats laying in front of my monitor right now are laughing at that one.

Doesn't Six Pack know that Dave Pack's broadcasts have a far more important world wide reach that makes it the worlds largest and most unadulterated pure legacy to HWA's broadcasts?  Poor Six Pack, always trying to be the best and never quit getting there.  His endless imitation of "all things Herb" has led him and his cult into financial troubles with his new mini-me auditorium.  Yet the gullible sheeple still send in their money to finance Six Pack and crew's lavish lifestyles.


 

Wednesday, August 22, 2012

UCG: Sing-A-Long With Jelly The Commandment Keeper


Malm: For My Love and My Message You Persecute Me Like They Did Saul


I think someone has a persecution complex and visions of grandeur all wrapped up into one package!

Malm writes:

My dear Laodicean friends; I have worked night and day for five years to point out the errors of idolizing men, organizations and traditions; because God loves you and I love and want you to turn to God with all your hearts that you might be spared.  And for this love and message of warning and repentance you despise me, as Saul despised those he regarded as heretics for not agreeing and submitting to his sect of the Church of God of his day.

God loves his people very very deeply, and he KNOWS that his people also love him; they have just been distracted into thinking that love for and loyalty to a corporate group is the same as loving God.  They have lost sight of any practical zeal for God’s commandments; because they have been turned to believe that God wants them to follow the traditions and instructions of their Group Leader.

Beloved Brethren, you have been warned so that when you are struck down by the rod of God’s correction, you will remember and understand and repent and turn to the Great God with abundant love and zeal.

Then you will understand that I have done this work out of love for you, and that God has loved you, and does love you and will accept you with arms wide open to embrace you and forgive you and comfort those who have been afflicted for a small moment in great tribulation.