Dave Pack: "On God’s authority at 9:35 AM on Friday, December 9th, Jerusalem time, which is sundown at 4:35 PM. That's when you will look like Christ. Period."

 

The Biblical Accordion

 

The accordion is a musical instrument that sucks in air and blows out air. It expands and contracts. You play the keyboard with one hand and press buttons with the other. “Weird Al” Yankovic made a world-famous career playing it, and now David C. Pack of The Restored Church of God is following suit.

 

"Weird Al" rose to the top creating parodies of popular songs. David C. Pack sinks to the bottom creating parodies of prophetic understanding.

 

No one else in the history of the Church of God is more "it is," "it is not," "it is," "it is not," and “beginning of the month," "middle of the month," "beginning of the month," "middle of the month," than David C. Pack. We are privileged to witness in our lifetime the biblical accordion played by a human-sized buffoon wearing a tie that we must call “Mister.”

 

The impossible-to-fathom-it-really-happened “The Greatest Unending Story! (Part 406)” was given to an unimpressed audience on the Sabbath of November 26, 2022. Some RCG brethren are choosing to opt-out of watching it. The Member Services tracking numbers will prove that. Dave is not the ratings superstar he once was.

 

Following the established church tradition of "it is the end," "it is not the end," "it is the end," and "it is not the end," this quick reminder is from ten days prior.

 

Part 405 – November 16, 2022

@ 00:52 The Series will be over. So, because of timing, I think we all know that this could readily be called “Final Part Number 405.”

 

The hireling enablers on the third floor at the Hall of Administration had to roll up the Series Checkered Flag and return it to the storage closet. But they are used to that by now.

 

Since the Grand Poobah Thanksgiving Failure of 2022 occurred on Kislev 1 this past Thursday, Da
ve has moved to the middle of the month to keep his fantasy construct together, just placing it on a different square of the game board. He laid the groundwork for a new date with a series of Prophecy Updates.

 

If you reread the latest update, the new 57 minutes of clarity erases what that announcement erased.

 

Prophecy Update – Thursday, November 24, 2022

This puts our watch day-to-day, which always leaves us more comfortable. We know this much, it can't go past the halfway mark in Kislev.

 

The watch is no longer day-to-day, meaning they are less comfortable again. The halfway mark IS the new big deal, not just up to it. Maybe Dave’s head cleared up once he digested the turkey, gravy, and beer from the ungrateful, commandment-breaking Thanksgiving supper.

 

 

Skipping ahead to what everyone wants to know: Did Dave set a new date, and was he clear about it? Was there waffling or wishy-washy language?

 

You tell me. You can watch it or read it.

Part 406 – November 26, 2022

@ 42:33 And on God’s authority, I’m gonna tell you what [Luke12:39] means. And this is critical.

 

@ 43:50 We’re in the right month. So, if he [Dave, the good man of the house] had known the exact time the way God has revealed it, he would tell the church, and I’m doing that now. It’s about twelve days and some additional hours at 9:35 AM on Friday, December 9^th, Jerusalem time, which is sundown at 4:35 PM. That's when you will look like Christ. Period. Or the Bible means something different. God has countermanded His word…

 

@ 51:22 You’re blessed [salvation] exactly fifteen days before billions walk in white and the rest of the 144,000 are settled.

 

@ 53:50 Just like Zechariah 14:7 and other places, when God arrives in Jerusalem on the Day of the Lord at exactly sunset on December 24^th with all saints who receive eternal life then. Call it Christmas Eve. On December 9^th at the exact same moment, 9:35 AM our time, fifteen days earlier, the moment of sunset in Jerusalem that begins Kislev 16 and the exact mid-point of the month, certain others will receive salvation either first or second.

 

He is pretty declarative during his 57 minutes. Before you tremble in fear at his awesomeness, remember his terrible habit of being sure about everything that later proves false.

 

Part 403 – November 5, 2022

@ 04:58 And we’re gonna take a look at why I can say November with certainty.

 

Part 405 – November 16, 2022

@ 1:34:37 Now, if it is not this Sabbath, I don’t understand Luke 12, Matthew 24. I don't understand the math. And I don't understand Zechariah or Habakkuk 2. I don't understand how all of those verses point to he's [Elijah] gonna speak on the Sabbath, but it isn't. The Sabbath is never used for any of the Kingdoms.

 

@ 1:38:05 It makes perfect sense. For the first time in my 56 ½ years of studying prophecy, it all makes perfect sense. Simple.

 

Need I go back further?

 

Dave spent thirty minutes proving that when the Bible says someone is “blessed” it means “salvation.” That is the big reveal from Part 406. Shush. Do not tell anyone I told you.

 

Now that the skimmers are satisfied, they can go back to posting pictures of their cats sleeping.

 

 

At the beginning of the message, Dave opened with the obvious despite being wrong for the last 405 Parts of the Series.

 

@ 00:27 We should all know by now that Kislev is the month we’ve been looking for.

 

@ 00:59 We should all know by now this is fulfilled in 2022. You know the many reasons. Both month and year should be absolutely settled in your mind.

 

Maybe not as settled as Tammuz 1 or Cheshvan 1 or Thanksgiving, but settled for sure.

 

 

In an astounding parallel, Dave describes an aspect of the apostasy in The Worldwide Church of God thirty years ago without connecting it to the apostasy today in The Restored Church of God.

There are folks inside RCG right now…I have been talking to them…that experience exactly what Dave describes.

 

@ 01:16 About thirty years ago, I began to be really concerned that I could not remain in The Worldwide Church of God much longer.

 

The number of defections inside RCG is increasing. Concern is a mild way to describe the horrific conditions I hear about. Some details are shocking, even to me. It makes me sad. It makes me angry. Some are taking the steps needed to realize they cannot remain inside RCG because God has not remained inside RCG.

 

There is a spirit of fear and confusion, and distress. The days of shining faces and sparkling eyes are over in RCG. To stay is to continue to endure the anguish of heart and mind.

 

@ 01:38 And I knew that the church was going off a cliff and they were moving toward Christmas.

 

RCG started going off the cliff in a significant way in 2015 when David C. Pack self-elected himself Elijah the Prophet and then, later, That Prophet. Jesus Christ just wasn’t cutting it anymore.

 

It is ironic that Dave is teaching the brethren to anticipate Christmas Eve as the time when God will give them salvation. Wow. Dave was concerned about Christmas thirty years ago, and folks inside RCG are concerned about Christmas today. An apostasy then. And apostasy now.

 

And Dave is blind to it all. What the implications are. What it all really means. Are you RCG zealots looking forward to Christmas this year more than any other? Post it on social media and see how fast your field minister or the lady-minders jump on that.

 

If I were the devil, I would want everyone in God’s way to joyfully anticipate Christmas. I would want people to consider December 24^/25 forever the most blessed day of their existence.

 

Santa really is a type of Christ. The pagans and the Catholics were right, after all.

 

@ 01:49 I was extremely careful who I talked to because I knew I could be reported, so I had to move carefully to buy as much time as I could to help as many as I could.

 

RCG is a snitcher colony. The caution the brethren have to exercise is mounting. Who to trust and who to avoid. Say one wrong thing to the wrong person, and you are out. You cannot talk to your minister. You cannot talk to your brethren. Some are even worried about how to approach their spouse. It all has to be done with care. What an awful way to live. It has gotten much worse since I left.

 

The Bible is alive before their face, and they are afraid to talk about it. This is the current environment of RCG.

 

Brethren, you are not alone. There are more like you than the ministry wants you to think.

 

Later in the message, Dave revamped his fear tactics for those considering leaving.

 

@ 52:03 When I watch people just stand up and violently commit suicide and leave and go to the devil's world, I say, "Man, this is hard. What’s wrong with them?” They take hold of death with both hands earnestly, and they're sitting right here ready to go first. So, I mean, you do have to hold on. It's bad out there.

 

It’s worse in there.

 

Leaving RCG is equated to violent suicide. And something is wrong with them.

 

David C. Pack and the enablers at Headquarters, including the Coffee Kid and Pepper Boy, are what is wrong. Prophetic fraud. Doctrinal instability. Blasphemy. Confusion. Lies. Heresy. That is what is wrong with them, Dave. They can no longer stomach witnessing your poison. Their spirit is sore vexed.

 

God is making the truth so plain it cannot be denied. He is not a part of what RCG is doing. He is not a part of what David C. Pack is teaching. There is a growing spirit of darkness, and it is making people ill.

 

They do not want to leave. But they know they must. Fleeing is the only sane option.

 

 

@ 25:21 And I wish I had seen this. It would’ve been clearer because I’ve resolved everything, brethren. Everything.

 

No matter how resolved everything is, as December 9 approaches, so will the wiggle room.

 

Maybe now would be an uncomfortable time to bring this up.

 

Part 403 – November 6, 2022

@ 03:03 Every last bit of that picture was settled and still is settled. As I said last time, this framework can no longer change. It’s settled. We can trust all the scriptures that hold it in place.

 

The accordion plays a different tune each time Dave speaks. Something is settled. Then unsettled. Something is resolved, then unresolved. Something is simple but requires more clarity.

 

Your eyes and ears do not deceive you, folks. David C. Pack is not a man of his word.

 

 

@ 30:12 We're gonna go read a verse, and we’re gonna understand it correctly for the first time.

 

Dave is talking about the 1335 days of Daniel 12:12. In 2011, the 8-part sermon "The 1335 Days of the Son of Man" sold the idea to RCG members that they understood that correctly for the first time. I challenge current members to check in the Sermon Library of Member Services to see if you still have access to those messages. The answer is NO.

 

The point is: In 2011, Dave thought he had it all figured out. Eleven years later, he is pitching the same story using his biblical accordion to play you a tune you are paying dearly for.

 

But that is okay because salvation comes at sunset to start the 1335.

 

@ 45:35 Don’t go to dawn. It’s at evening. Or the Bible isn’t true.

 

Dave has been playing the Either/Or Game for years. He is correct, or the Bible is wrong. Or God is wrong. It cannot possibly be that he has no idea what he is talking about, God is not guiding him, and he is utterly unqualified to preach to anyone. That never seems to be considered.

 

@ 45:41 Or, you could still say, “Well, Mr. Pack, maybe you’re gonna come back in a few days and tell us that the 1335 is a second group ‘cause we thought maybe there were two Kingdoms in there.” Well, we’re gonna hafta dispel some things.

 

Dave is projecting internal criticisms manifested as external sources. He knows he will change his teaching in a few days or a few weeks because that is his custom. He is aware that the brethren are aware. Awkward…

 

They have good reason to doubt. He just taught that the 1335 did not apply to them after telling them they made it a few weeks earlier. The same accordion is playing the same sour notes.

 

 

@ 54:32 So, brethren, I’m pretty sure you all know how this is gonna end.

 

Ooh. Ooh. Pick me. Pick me. Me Me. Me.

 

Ahem. It is not gonna end well. David C. Pack is gonna fail again. December 9 will come and go with not so much as a sneeze, biblically speaking. There will be an update announcement just before the deadline to wish-away expectations and erase emphatic declarations that will only prove that Dave was right about knowing it was wrong.

 

It is gonna end with more headaches for the RCG ministry and more distress for the RCG brethren. It is gonna end with more exit letters. And more shame for the entire COG community.

 

It is gonna end with God’s name being further blasphemed. Dave better pray that God has more patience than Popeye.

 

Maybe I am just being a Negative Nancy. But Dave has a more optimistic view.

 

@ 54:37 So, relief and peace begins now. But, there’s actually more relief and peace to learn that continues Tuesday with a massive support proof and other fascinating things we will learn. I mean fascinating.

 

There is no relief and peace inside RCG. No relief and peace at Headquarters. No relief and peace inside the Third Floor Executive Imaginarium. No relief and peace for the field ministers. No relief and peace for the brethren.

 

That statement was the source of guffaws and snickers all over the world. The man is so out of touch with reality you could almost feel sorry for him. For me, that time has passed.

 

 

Just before the end, Dave threw a prophetic curveball that caught my ears regarding Part 407.

 

@ 57:01 Now, I’m gonna explain things like I’m rushing right now, but it is not the rushing of Habakkuk 2:2, which I’ve come to understand.

 

He has been droning about that verse for years. I cannot help but wonder if he FINALLY read my article from August covering that. If he teaches my explanation of what it really means, I will cry laughing. Pretty please, Dave. Use my reasoning so I can print it out and send it to my mom.

 

The biblical accordion will continue playing with a promised "avalanche" of "massive proof" that will end the Series on Tuesday. Fat chance. It is. It is not. It is. It is not.

 

Learning from “Weird Al” Yankovic did not go as well as he thought.

 

David C. Pack has become an accordion-playing parody of himself. And that is not funny.

Marc Cebrian

See: The Biblical Accordion

 

Another Frustrated Prophet Claims He Has Done All He Can To Warn Us

 

It's another bright sunny day in California and another self-appointed and totally ignored prophet is moaning that no one listens to him. No, we aren't talking about our buddy the eminent theologian and the Great Bwana to Africa and 150 Caucasians. This time it is that OTHER self-appointed prophet, Tony Roach.

Like Bob Thiel, he bloviates on how amazing his knowledge is and the church is in need of such amazing truths. All of the COG self-appointed prophets must get their messages out of the same playbook. They all sound the same, though this crackpot is just slightly different than our esteemed Beto Bob.

He writes:

Just a quick note and I'll delete it after a day or so... I'm so sorry but I can't join any churches... Or like any churches... I'm an analyzer... I analyze everything... As you can see from my fruits of Bible Prophecy... It would take so much time to analyze these churches... I have not the resources... I would have to travel to them, meet the Pastors etc.... I can't follow any man... Whether it be a pastor, minister, preacher, whatever... Not after dealing one on one with God for 35 years... It would be an abomination to me... Now if I met a man that new the scriptures as well I do and He could show me How God is working through him as he works through me... I would love that... If I could just meet someone that believed every word as I do... I would love that... Yes in my 1400 friends there are a handful that I THINK believe some as I do... Fewer in the handful that I think believes everything I do... You can tell by the comments and likes on certain post I post... The new news as God is on the sun... The Date chart etc gets very little likes comments and shares, etc... The mysteries and secrets of God I was left behind to show you basically are ignored... The old news that's been floating around for decades get many comments, likes and shares... It would be amazing if I had as many likes and comments and Believers in God's secrets and mysterious ways as the ones that responded to my recent post "A blessing in Disguise"... A church or any organization that doesn't search the scriptures daily to prove these things are true I can't deal with... I hope you understand... I'm in no way saying I'm any better than anyone... But when it comes to God's Word I'm a stickler for details and proof... And can't sway any any way... I'm nothing... I'm No One... I'm the bottom of the barrel... But I have to follow my Lord... I can't follow any man... I'm so sorry... I don't mean to offend anyone or hurt anyone's feelings... 

The bottom of the barrel is right! Just like all COG prophets end up being.  

Now I've been rejected and my message and prophecy by all the pastors of the splinter groups of the WWCOG that I have contacted... So that tells me they don't search the scriptures daily to prove these things... Or they would see that they are true.... Now members of these churches have asked me to join or like them... But I can't follow or listen to a preacher that doesn't search the scriptures daily as I do and as we are told to do... And if it's a messianic or pagan assembly... NO Way because it shows me they don't believe like I do.. I generally unfriend them and sometimes block them for a few days before I unblock them... That's why I say if you don't believe me block me... I don't need 1400 nonbelievers... that don't care to open their Bible and see these things are true... I wish everyone could see the truth but it's already recorded it ain't gonna happen...

Roach ends with this montage of nuttiness. He has been all alone now since 2020 when a great harvest of souls were whisked away and left him behind. 

It is just as the days of Noah... I don't even know anyone personally that believe as I do... I use to but since the Spring Harvest of Souls in 2020... They are gone... I keep the Holy days alone... I can't assemble on the Sabbath... There are no one to assemble here with where I live... That believes anything near as I do... Which I understand.... God warned me... There will be a lot of lonely days... But I chose His way... And I cannot change... I love each and everyone of you... I wish you would open your Bible... Don't just read it... Search it... Let God lead you as you do.. He'll show you one thing... If you do it... He'll show you something better... And each time you do it... You learn God's secrets and mysterious ways... You have to forget and ignore everything you've ever been taught by man and start fresh,,, with open eyes and a willing heart...

David C Pack's Great Thanksgiving Letdown

 

The Great Thanksgiving Letdown

 

You cannot see things in life until you are ready to see them.

 

That girlfriend who is not right for you even though your close friends and parents see it. That high-risk investment which seems too good to be true that advisors warn against. The pricey idyllic house that could require a lot of work. The wife that has been acting distant and on the phone a lot more with a “friend” recently.

 

Being blind to what is right in front of you has nothing to do with intelligence, stubbornness, or being gullible. The mind blinds you to the plain facts you do not want to accept. We do not do this on purpose, but we have all fallen victim to it.

 

Contrary to the seven hours and forty minutes of “biblical knowledge” this past month, Elijah was not raised, billions of people were not resurrected, and Jesus Christ did not return the Kingdom to Israel on Thanksgiving, November 24.

 

This is the Great RCG Thanksgiving Letdown of 2022. The Grand Poobah of holiday failures blew up an entire month's worth of God-breathed revelation by His servant and ministry.

 

The beginning of Kislev 1 at sunset Jerusalem time produced nothing. The beginning of Kislev 1 at sunset in Wadsworth produced nothing. Nothing biblical will happen on Kislev 1 today. All over the world. Nothing biblical will happen.

 

While families across the United States were gathering together for a grateful meal celebrating the blessings God has given them (and maybe indulging in the sin of football), David C. Pack and his fraud co-conspirators were conjuring the latest breakout from the prison of reality.

 

Another Pathetic Update was gifted to The Restored Church of God members yesterday.

 

 

Prophecy Update - Thursday, November 24, 2022

 

Brethren, more has come to light, showing it is very likely we can get through Thanksgiving and even into the month of Kislev. This puts our watch day-to-day, which always leaves us more comfortable. We know this much, it can’t go past the half-way mark in Kislev. Enjoy your Thanksgiving!

 

 

Beginning in March 2020, I started saving Member Services postings. By this point, I was fed up with Dave and his prophetic malarkey, but I was getting increasingly annoyed with the garbage posted for the brethren in between Dave's verbal flatulence fits.

 

Until then, I had not given them a thought one second after reading them. You “filter out” these announcements and urgent updates due to their repetitive nature. They all blurred together and lasted as long as vapor.

 

If I had not saved what I have, I would not have picked up on the pattern they still exhibit over two years later. After reviewing some this morning, it became clear that RCG Member Services is actually Damage Control Central.

 

It is incredible what you can see when you allow yourself. The text was always there, but it now can be understood with “clarity.”

 

 

Those attending RCG in the spring of 2020 will remember the continual chaos around Christ coming at Passover. The Rollercoaster this month has NOTHING on Passover 2020. There were eight updates in April pre and post-Days of Unleavened Bread. Some of them were pretty lengthy. Jam-packed with "proofs" making a "strong case" that the Headquarters ministry finally had it all nailed down.

 

Before examining yesterday’s joke, stroll down Memory Lane for a taste of what the brethren had to endure back then. The exact words, just a different date.

 

These are small samples of the yellow parts from each posting.

 

Listen to the Messages Right Away! – March 31, 2020

 

Keep watching! Based on all we can “forecast,” another Sabbath this side of the Return of Christ, does not appear to be on the horizon. None of the ministers here at Headquarters can see it. One look around the nation and the world makes this impossible.

 

Do Not Miss Tomorrow’s Sermon! – April 3, 2020

 

The series is not over! You will not want to miss what we clearly understand to be the final message. This 11^th-hour understanding—while mind-blowing—will also prove to be very familiar.

 

Brethren, we have been part of an incredible prophetic journey that is reaching its end.

 

Watch to the Very End… – April 6, 2020

 

The P. S. stressed the certainty of Passover—even more proofs were found since then!

 

This has proven truer than we could have known.

 

If you are deeply convicted on all the Passover proofs and that Christ comes BEFORE Passover, you are left with one choice—Tuesday!

 

Our Historic Passover Watch Continues! – April 7, 2020

 

By now it is clear God wanted at least some of us to keep the Passover.

 

Would Christ really return before His day (Passover)? The answer that perhaps should have been evident is a resounding no!

 

Brethren, let us say it plainly: NOTHING will happen before all have taken the Passover—nothing even can!

 

Keep Watching! – April 8, 2020

 

With the rising of the sun, the new day brings new clarity. The case for Christ’s return today is even stronger than what we had last night.

 

Again—Our Watch Continues! – April 8, 2020

 

It appears it has always been God’s plan to have us wait, wait and wait yet a little longer to the very end! Faithful watching is very important to Him.

 

The proofs for Passover continue to pile up.

 

We are learning at an extremely rapid rate. In fact, there are now over 110 Passover proofs!

 

Continue to watch and wait. How privileged we are to understand so much about what God is doing—and when He plans to do it.

 

The Last Day of Passover—Finally Understood! – April 13, 2020

 

Parts 247 and 248 explained that our watch could continue even to the Last Day of Unleavened Bread. Brethren, suffice to say, it will!

 

Brethren, echoing the last announcement, the case for Passover—now the last day of Passover—is so strong that none of us could imagine moving beyond it.

 

Stay Alert and Be Encouraged! – April 24, 2020

 

Mr. Pack and the Headquarters ministry met throughout the day to discuss what is just ahead. It became evident that, even if we made it into Iyar, the thought of waiting until next year is still an impossibility.

 

We at Headquarters are inspired and encouraged by all God continues to reveal.

 

Take Comfort—Be Encouraged – April 27, 2020

 

It is now evident God did want us to “observe” all the remaining days of Abib following Passover.

 

Brethren, it should give us great peace knowing Christ could literally return at any time. Let us continue to do our part and remain spiritually awake until the “day and hour” we all long for!

 

Dave and Company were lying to us then, and they are lying to us now. None of what was written ever came to pass. I could see it, but not yet fully. It took me another year before I was able to leave RCG.

 

Brethren still there are trapped in the same place. They are in various stages of seeing what is right in front of them. It is not because they are stupid or weak, or lazy. God knows it takes a while for people to wake up. Recognizing that God is not working in the church and not guiding the ministry is a bitter pill to swallow.

 

But more are waking up. I have the emails to prove it.

 

 

“…more has come to light…”

 

There is only darkness coming out of The Restored Church of God today. Darkness is what David C. Pack preaches. Prophetic fraud. Biblical ignorance. Deceit. Foolishness.

 

There is no light coming to any of the hireling enablers at Headquarters.

 

Bradford Schleifer

Edward Winkfield

Ryan Denee

Kenneth Orel

Timothy Ranney

Jaco Viljoen

Carl Houk

Andrew Holcombe

James Habboush

Salasi Jezhi

Frank Lydick

Raymond Garb (Get out while you still can. You have fallen back into PCG thinking.)

 

God is not guiding David C. Pack to teach "The Greatest Unending Story!" Series. David C. Pack is not all throughout your Bible, though there are verses that absolutely apply to him. Just not in the way he thinks.

 

2 Timothy 3:7

Ever learning, but never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

 

Ephesians 4:14

…tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine by the sleight of men, cunning craftiness whereby they lie in wait to deceive.

 

 

“…very likely we can get through Thanksgiving…”

 

This is an unimpressive read on a Friday morning over coffee.

 

It is very likely David C. Pack will deliver Part 406.

 

It is very likely David C. Pack will fail prophetically in perpetuity.

 

It is very likely that an antichrist serpent more wicked (almost) than the devil will be proven correct, and God's Apostle/Elijah-Elect will be proven wrong.

 

It is very likely that a non-prophet/non-psychic will appear real because David C. Pack is as predictable as the sunrise. All former RCG brethren possess this superpower.

 

It is very likely more people will depart from RCG this week. Oops. I should have written "very certain."

 

 

“…it can’t go past the half-way mark in Kislev…”

 

So, this is the next play. As it has been this year. The full moon. The new moon. The first of the month. The fifteenth of the month. If not last month, then this month. If not this month, then next month.

 

On and on and on and on and on it goes. Save the archival quotes from Passover, as Dave will need to copy-and-paste them this spring. Consider that very likely, too.

 

This is a soft date-set with a new line in the sand. All his 30-day hot air turned cold.

 

Kislev 15 is December 9 for all you heathens out there. It turns another Dave quote into ash.

 

Part 403 – November 5, 2022

@ 01:51 Now, more than ever, I can tell you this: Salvation will come in November 2022.

 

David C. Pack is not a man of his word. He is a caver. He is not a closer. He cannot deliver. His bark is worse than his bite. His assurances mean nothing to him and should mean nothing to you.

 

History shows these Prophecy Updates are Damage Control. They are mind manipulation designed to keep brethren from seeing what is happening right in front of them.

 

Do you want to guess who has to stand in front of the whole church on Saturday to deliver "Special Comments," reassuring brethren they are still on track and all is well?

 

Dave will very likely be in hiding for a few days. And Ryan very likely passed the gravy.

Marc Cebrian

See: The Great Thanksgiving Letdown

Happy Thanksgiving from Bob Thiel and Banned!

 

Bob Thiel and I want to extend warm wishes for a 

Happy Thanksgiving and great football memories!

Bobby Grumpy Pants Ties Pilgrims and Thanksgiving Into AntiSemitism

 

Has the Church of God movement (Armstrong era) ever had a leader that was happy? Have any of them ever found joy in their lives? Have any of them ever marveled at the beauty that surrounds them?

For over eight decades the church has been filled with some of the grumpiest men imaginable. Nothing ever seems to please them so they have to find fault in EVERYTHING around them. This is perfect fodder for their erroneous belief that Satan is the god of this world. We can't really blame them when they have no knowledge of the "christ" they claim to follow. That creature is weak and impotent compared to the all-powerful entity they call Satan who lurks behind every corner of the world ready to devour them.

Today, our Great Bwana to Africa and 150 Caucasians did not put up his usual Thanksgiving anti-football schtick (at least, so far). This day he went darker and tired to prove the Pilgrims, Christians, and Thanksgiving have anti-Semitic roots.

After quoting an article from Israel 365, the all-knowing Bwana says:

Anti-semitism has been a factor in the Greco-Roman Catholic as well as Protestant religions for a long time–even though the ORIGINAL catholic church was considered to basically be Jewish and was not anti-sermitic. 

 

But for those who were not truly converted, anti-semitism crept in. It is not that all Greco-Roman Catholics and Protestants are anti-semitic, it is just that many of their important early leaders and influencers were.

After a lot of bloviating, Beto writes:

Let me add that various Protestant Reformers and many popes and patriarchs were anti-semitic. 

 

Leaders esteemed by the Eastern Orthodox, Roman Catholics, and Protestants have all advocated horrible antisemitism. They were NOT real Christians. 

 

While people who were referred to as “Christians” have committed atrocities and anti-Semitic persecutions, no real Christian would have done that (or at least would have repented if he/she sinned that way). Instead many who have claimed Christ have caused “the way of truth” to be blasphemed (2 Peter 2:2).

Let me add that there were a LOT of COG ministers, evangelists, and certain leaders who were anti-Semitic to the core. It would show up every once in a while in church publications which actually got the church in trouble many times.

When they opened the Ambassador Auditorium and were actively courting major Los Angeles donors (non-COG members) to be supporters of the concert series they hit a brick wall with the Jewish benefactors of Los Angeles. The church then put the PR Department into major overdrive trying to eradicate this belief. Booklets were pulled, articles pulled and sermons were pulled. It was soon after this that the church saw Herbert galavanting off to Israel numerous times as he swooped in with Stuebin Crystal gifts and loads of cash trying to impress Israeli officials. The church tried to clean up its image. Its biggest obstacle was Itzhak Perlman, the great Israeli-American violinist. He turned many Jewish donors against the church and the Ambassador Internation Cultural Foundation. He also refused to perform in the Auditorium due to the antisemitism of the church and vocally expressed that reason to the public many times.

Beto Grumpy Pants continues on with this:

It is not just Jews that are hated or will be in the future. Throughout history, true Christians have sometimes been called “Jews” and have been subject to persecution supposedly directed towards Jews. True Christians also had to suffer through the so-called Inquisition, which utilized torture against those that had Church of God beliefs–and more is expected in the future.

Beto loves to trot on this narrative as he tries to bolster the impression his church and his group of followers are the ONLY true Christians on the face of the earth. Of course, as the ONLY true Christian church on earth, this is going to piss off a lot of people who will soon be persecuting them.

Unless you repent of your unbelief in him and his message you too will suffer persecution at the hands of Christians. If you repent and join his merry band of Truthists, you too will be saved.

More persecution will be coming from those who falsely claim to be Christian, and that will include persecution of true and real Christians. 

 

Hopefully you will have God’s Spirit and the mindset of the persecuted, not the persecutors.