Bob Thiel Claiming A Deep Fake Made Adultery Allegations Against African Leaders And That The Accusers Keep Changing Their Stories.

Can Bob Thiel get any crazier? This time he is going out of his way to justify himself as a church leader, particularly the dreams he and a few of his cohorts have had. He just cannot handle the fact that people do not believe him, his cohorts, and their nightmares.

In his deluded and confused mind, he believes that there is only ONE MAN doing a work today and that is himself, divinely appointed by some kind of creature he calls god.

Then he takes a bold leap and levels an allegation against his detractors (as he sees them) Aleksandar Sasha Veljic and Terry Nelson and that it is INAPPORIATE for these men to come up from the BOTTOM from amongst the people and hold him accountable. Accountability is ONLY from the TOP!

He then goes on claim there is no truth against certain African church leaders. Thiel also claims that possibly a "deep fake" on Facebook made the adultery allegations. See, I said Bob can't get any crazier!

Thiel is also claiming his accusers broke promises and changed their stories. This idiocy just keeps getting worse!

Hierarchical Governance and Corruption
Does the Bible support democracy or top down government for the Church of God? Does God work, primarily, through one human leader at a time? Did the late Pastor General of the old Worldwide Church of God, Herbert W. Armstrong, repeatedly teach that God worked primarily through “ONE MAN AT A TIME, though with others (male and female) assisting that leader? Who is that one man now? Who should be eliminated as being that one man? Would we expect that one man would be part of UCG, PCG, LCG, COGWA, RCG, or CCOG? Could God have given one or more Divine signs to point out who that one man is? What type of government will be in the Kingdom of God? Are we to be preparing to be kings and priests now? Is it appropriate to want to push for a non-top down from God’s government if there is some type of corruption in the organization he leads? What about 1 Samuel 8:1-20 and 1 Samuel 12:1-5? Did Jesus have any financially corrupt with Him? What are allegations that have been raised against Radson Mulozowa, Bradox Ochieng, and Evans Ochieng? Is there any truth to any of them? If so, which? Could there have been some type of deepfake related to an alleged Facebook Messenger chat related to claims of adultery? Does Laodicea mean ‘people decide’ or ‘judgment of the people’? Should Christians be ‘independents’? What about being ‘congregationalists’? Have various accusers changed their stories or broke promises? What should those who consider themselves to be faithful Philadelphians do? Dr. Thiel deals with these and other matters.

One thing I can know for certain is that Veljic and Nelso are far more truthful than ANYTHING Bob Thiel has ever said. Bob got caught in a rather humiliating public way with his personality cult being proven corrupt. No matter how much he spins the story it only gets worse for Bob.

Bob Thiel: I will address false accusations in my sermon Saturday...Sorry, Instead lets discuss King Charles and British Israelism Malarkey

With his church imploding around him with major accusations coming out of Africa this week, God's most important COG leader in human history said Thursday that he would address all allegations of corruption this Sabbath.

Be a true witness, not a talebearer, nor one who clings to gossip. The root of bitterness often grows in those who get wrapped up in gossip.

That said, it is my plan to cover aspects of hierarchical governance and allegations of corruption in the sermon I expect to give this upcoming Sabbath.

So what did the little guy preach about? King Charles, British Isrealism, and other useless crap theology malarkey that no one, particularly those in Africa, needs to worry about if they have a real relationship with God. 

Sermon: King Charles III Coronation and Prophecy 

 

The BBC, the UK Guardian, and Buckingham Palace reported various preparations for the planned May 6, 2023 coronation of King Charles III. In March 2023, oil from the Mount of Olives was consecrated for this ceremony. The Stone of Destiny, also called the Stone of Scone, is to leave Scotland to be placed in the coronation chair in Westminster Abby for the coronation. Can any of this possibly have any connections to biblical prophecies about Judah having the sceptre, the throne of David always having an occupant, the prophet Jeremiah, Tea Tephi of Ireland, the lines of Pharez & Zerah, and the end time fate of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland? Is there an unbroken line of monarchs from Judah’s King David through to King Charles III? Does Charles have any connection to the World Economic Forum or the ‘Great Reset’? Could he or others in the Royal Family possibly be involved in fulfilling numerous prophecies in the Book of Hosea? What about the scarlet thread and the “red hand of Ulster’? Did Charles or other members of the Royal Family believe in any version of British-Israelism?

Does he really think an African follower gives a rat's ass about some colonial power figure being crowned, the coronation stone, or the Tea Tephi and Jeremiah myths? If Thiel actually preached a new covenant gospel message of Christ, which he doesn't, there would be no need for these fantasies, even if they were true, to have any significance to anyone who is in Christ. The New Covenant negates all this useless crap theology of Armstrongism and places one in a right relationship with Christ, something that they have never been able to do while in the church burdened down by legalism.

I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship. Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect. Romans 12:1-2

Every member in Africa that is part of Bob Thiel's improperly named "continuing" Church of God need to leave en masse and find true freedom. Being loyal to a certified liar and a false prophet does not accomplish anything except destroy spiritual lives. Bob's blatant inaction in order to preserve his dignity proves he cares very little for any of his followers in Africa. What can you expect from a man who lives his life consumed by Catholic mysteries, Nostradamus, Mayan and pagan prophecies, crap British Israelism speculations, Karl Theodor Freiherr von und zu Guttenberg, the King of the South, and the King of the North? 

The simple truths of the New Covenant make the putrid filth that Bob Thiel teaches as nothing more than the pig slop it really is. None of it is worthy of leading anyone to peace and rest with Christ.

“Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid.” (John 14:27)

Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. (Rom. 5:1) 

 

For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous. (Rom. 5:19) 

 

There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. (Rom. 8:1-2) 

 

For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God. (2 Cor. 5:21) 

 

Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith. (Phil. 3:8-9) 

 

But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified. (Heb. 10:12-14) 

 

He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed. (1 Pet. 2:24)

A Place To Share Stories Of Abuse Or Wrongs In The Church

 

When I started this blog it was to showcase the many books and booklets written in the 1960s-1980s about the Worldwide Church of God and Herbert Armstrong that detailed heretical teachings and or abuses in the church. It swiftly changed to highlighting actual occurrences in the present-day church. Since I started this blog I have always given it as an open forum for this who want to expose abuses in their groups. While I and others here can be snarky, as many of us are when it comes to abuse of members by corrupt church leaders, I have and will continue to freely give this as a forum for those people, without my snarky comments, to share their hurts and/or grievances.

Bob Thiel loves to claim we are an anti-God or anti-COG blog, but that is not the case. We tend to take our focus on the abusive and many times heretical things that church LEADERS say or do. Rarely do we go after regular members of the church who oftentimes are very since in their beliefs and try to do what they think God expects of them. While I may disagree doctrinally with them on certain points, I still let them share their stories and grievances. This is something that all the Churches of God currently disallow. This is also another reason I have continues to allow "anonymous" comments. The backlash that many commenters would receive from their minister or church group would be swift and painful.

With Bob Thiel, since day one, we knew something was not right. Rod Meredith knew this. Dibar Aprtian knew this.  The ministry of the Living Church of God knew this and the ministry of the Worldwide Church of God knew this. This is why NO Church of God EVER ordained him into a leadership position that gave him a platform to preach.

While narcissism tends to be an element of most church leaders and ministers, which members tend to accept in small doses, members also understand that church leaders and ministers are SUPPOSED to be servant leaders. Very few are, sadly. With Bob Thiel, this is blatantly true. 

From day one, Thiel's ministry has been about himself. He is the most significant person ever to lead a COG in these end times. No other COG is as great as his. No other COG is doing a "work" as great as his. No other COG has more booklets and articles "published" in other languages than his group. No other COG is the fastest-growing church than his. No other COG preaches a gospel better than he does. The constant backslapping is appalling and repulsive and he wonders why no one in the church wants to follow him. 

The church has always warned about wolves creeping in and members being unaware; there are ample numbers of scriptures that they get this warning from. This blog, The Painful Truth,  Rod Meredith, Dibar Apartian, and others saw through the subtle deceptions and lies of Bob from day one. We will continue to keep the heat on him.

All of the groups that split off from the mother church had an opportunity to start fresh and do things right. Only a handful of independent COG groups do this. Those that do this do not have the focus of their members on specific church leaders or church governance. These groups know what the abuse did to their people in the past and have made a concerted effort to not do it again. 

Let me repeat again, if you are looking for a forum to share abuse going on in your particular group then I will post that information, without commentary. If you want things to be anonymous, we can do that too. 

Terry Nelson on CCOG Africa Problems: "The Facts are, I have to stop it/ I can't take Abuse of Innocent Women and children, when people are begging me to help them and Pretend it doesn't exist"

 

Anonymous said...

I remember when you and your son went to Arica. I thought at the time what a wonderful opportunity. I'm sorry that Dr. Thiel is so blind to facts.

Friday, March 17, 2023 at 10:15:00 PM PDT

Yes, I'm sorry also/ You have understand this has grieved my whole family as we all looked up to Dr Thiel / but I Realize , I couldn't compromise on truth/ I was sent to Africa Twice; I was told by Dr Thiel to see if they really know what we teach; he seemed even suspicious, so naturally when I found all these scandals and Alexsander Veljic found SCANDALS when he was there; I mean what are you logically supposed to think/ investigation for almost a year/ Alexander Veljic suffering with this knowledge for 6 years/ I really didn't want to believe this; but I guess I was meant for this as a Test from God to see if I would turn a blind eye or just say God will work it out/ The Facts are, I have to stop it/ I can't take Abuse of Innocent Women and children, when people are begging me to help them and Pretend it doesn't exist/ I'll be judged/ I'm glad I'm free from pretending everything is good in CCOG Africa/ now I don't have to/ Hope of Israel Worldwide Church of God is now a Safe Haven for the abused people of CCOG Africa/ we must go after and protect the abused and lost sheep/ Dont you think God would expect that/ Obey God rather then men 🙂👍Terry Nelson/ Keep the truth Brethren

Aleksandar Veljic: "The straw that broke the camel`s back in my personal case was when I learned about practitioners of witchcraft being in CCOG and serving the devil by their actions."

I am here to confirm all the things written above by Terry Nelson. Terry Nelson, toward the end of 2022 has informed me of the terrible abuses happening in Africa and had corroborated his claims with numerous proofs. He appealed to me as to an elder, and presented convincing evidence. Even thought I had heard of all kinds of wrong things going on in Africa, now I had evidence that it was all truth. During my 7 years of faithful service to CCOG, I had been trying to hint to Dr. Thiel that there are various problems in Africa that cannot be ignored, let alone financed, but he would usually present me with his own reasoning and with the reports that he got from Africa. And some of us who have had some experience with Africa (I was sent there by Dr. Thiel in 2017) had been aware that those reports are filled with untrue statements. For example, we have always known that there were certainly not that many members as African reports would claim. And now there are even less members as some have left to flee from the abuses of Evans Ochieng.  

Also, I want to confirm that Terry Nelson, other than presenting me with disturbing facts about CCOG African abuses, has helped me register Hope of Israel Worldwide Church of God. That has been solely my initiative as I thought we would be removed eventually for standing up for the truth, and I did not want people to be dumped on the street spiritually speaking, but to have a spiritual refuge if they decided to stand up for the same values I cherish. Let it be known that we were forced out of CCOG mainly because we could not stand African deep CCOG corruption any more. The straw that broke the camel`s back in my personal case was when I learned about practitioners of witchcraft being in CCOG and serving the devil by their actions. That was the moment I decided I could no longer be in that organization. I have tried to provide comfort and encouragement to all those who sought it from me. And considering the treatment that we, friends of Dr. Thiel, were given by Dr. Thiel, all I could do was to leave him to his views and convictions, and simply move on for I did not want to be associated with people in that organization who are basically Satanists (witchcraft practioners). Aleksandar Sasha Veljic