Friday, June 23, 2017

How Living Church of God Sucker Punched The Scarboroughs (Part 3)

From an LCG source:

It looks like LCG sucker punched Patrick and Elizabeth when they marked them without merit and then kicked them while they were down by asking them to relinquish their legal rights in the attached Release of Claims. 

Not just their rights, but the rights of their heirs. Is that even legal?

And not just regarding this one incident but for any and all incidents from the beginning of time until forever.

No one in their right mind would have signed this! It's madness.

It's shameful that a church would ask any one to sign it. Let's just imagine Jesus Christ in the same situation... Can you see our Savior whipping up a little document like this? 

It looks like the Scarborough's decided to get some legal advice once they received this legal document from LCG. Thankfully they didn't sign it. It appears to be the spark that lit the haystack regarding legal involvement.

I wonder if the lawsuit would have ever happened if LCG hadn't sent this first. I'm sure it must have felt like another punch in the gut to these people who were obviously devastated after the initially marking and subsequent loss of all their friends and shunning.


Anonymous said...

The third paragraph down shows how the LCG lied. I find that totally disgusting. Have they no morals or decency? They claim to be Christian...makes me want to puke!

nck said...

"It's shameful that a church would ask any one to sign it. Let's just imagine Jesus Christ in the same situation... Can you see our Savior whipping up a little document like this?"

It looks similar to the origins of christianity.

What if Adam and Eve or lets say Job had signed this.
Would they have been expelled from Eden? Or would Jobs first family still be alive........?

Ah questions, questions.......


Anonymous said...

If LCG wasn't guilty, why would they want the Scarboroughs to sign this?

Innocent people don't need to be "released" from liability.

Anonymous said...

LCG sent this the week of Passover 2015. I know this because I ate with Patrick and Elizabeth on the LDUB and they were discussing it. I remember thinking, LCG is no doubt preaching about forgiveness, getting sin out of our lives and Christ's sacrifice (spring holy day standards) while in secret authoring this kind of hateful hypocrisy?

Anonymous said...

The last paragraph is the worst!

LCG should be ashamed.

I would love to hear how they justify this. Any LCG members on here that can help me see this in a better light?

I want to give LCG the benefit of the doubt but I'm struggling to find an angle.

Talk about deplorable!

Anonymous said...

I see what LCG would get from this document but it offers nothing in return. Why would anyone sign it? It shows how ignorant LCG is regarding business, law or even negotiating.

David Pack said...

Hopefully the people here at Banned will stop dragging my name and RCG through the mud. I built my church with the blood, tears, and sweat of my brow. You can condemn, ridicule and misjudge me but in the end YOU will see I was right all along.

Anonymous said...

This makes me wonder if the real reason that the church wouldn't let the Scarboroughs back was because they wouldn't sign the release. If they had signed it would the welcome wagon have been sent?

Anonymous said...

"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that refuse to sign the release."

RSK said...

Thats disgusting.

Anonymous said...

That form might almost be acceptable if it went both ways, if LCG also released all claims against the Scarboroughs. Instead, it's just one more example of LCG bullying of the sheep for whom the ministry is supposed to care.

Can you believe the arrogance of asking the Scarboroughs to release "any and all claims, actions and/or causes of actions of any kind, whether known or unknown, past, present or future, arising by reason of any omission, transaction, act, event or occurrence by the Released Parties, from the beginning of time through the effective date of this Release..."

LCG has made its corporation into its God. Even if the Scarboroughs were willing to absolve LCG of all prior bad acts, how could they responsibly release LCG from liability for all FUTURE acts as this release form demands? Corporations can be taken over by apostates or criminals. Only a person who is certain that LCG will for the rest of its existence be the corporate body of God's spiritual organism could sign such a release in good conscience.

That release is bad doctrine, bad theology, not just bad public relations. Whoever wrote that document and whoever would sign it have put their faith in a human corporation rather than in the Body of Christ.

If you were a prospective member of LCG, what would you think when you saw that release? What kind of Church makes people sign such a document as a precondition for further counseling? Why would anyone want to get involved with such an organization?

Anonymous said...

Anon 4:27 AM wrote: "LCG sent this the week of Passover 2015. I know this because I ate with Patrick and Elizabeth on the LDUB and they were discussing it. I remember thinking, LCG is no doubt preaching about forgiveness, getting sin out of our lives and Christ's sacrifice (spring holy day standards) while in secret authoring this kind of hateful hypocrisy?"

LCg is a man-made organization of hirelings who left their ministerial credentials behind in WCG, and no longer are the little helpers they once thought they were to HWA/WCG,but getting that sin out of of their lives?

"He that committeth sin is of the devil..." I John 3:8

I wonder how they would handle getting that sin out?

Regarding sin and pride we may consider: "For the sin of their mouth and the words of their lips let them even be taken in their pride: and for cursing and lying which they speak." Psalm 59:12

And who authorizes pride?

Job 41:33 Upon earth there is not his like, who is made without fear.
34 He beholdeth all high things: he is a king over all the children of pride.

Oh, it's that same "guy" hidden behind some "curtain!"

The leaders of LCg are so much like the ancient Israelites, who were unrepentant. They make a god out of what they think is "The Work" they do...much like some golden calf, and they rejoice over it.

"And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifice unto the idol, and rejoiced in the works of their own hands." Acts 7:41

Why say that? It is b/c it is God who grants one repentance, and that is not very evident within that man-made organization of former little helpers of HWA/WCG.

So, actually, I suspect next Passover those leaders will be back doing the "same thing" and be no more repentant then than they are today, but...

Time will tell...


Anonymous said...

Such releases are common after a out of court settlement. But the church has offered zero in return. This is madness. Does the LCG think that God is punishing the Scarboroughs and will stop His punishment if they sign the release form?
This is another example of the nincompoop ministers living a in ivory tower.

Connie Schmidt said...

Sing to the Tune "Thats the Night that Lights Went Out in Georgia" (Vicki Lawrence -1972, Reba McEntire-1991 )

That's the night that the lights went out in Charlotte...

That's the night that they Marked an innocent man...

Well, don't trust your soul to no backwoods stubborn varmint...

Cause the Living Church , got Bad Sins, on its hands!...

Byker Bob said...

Somebody was very naive in believing that this written document would never come to light. Generally, out of court settlements are accompanied by a mutually agreed upon gag order, which in this case, is nowhere in evidence.

I've seen these types of quasi-legalese documents before. Generally, they are made to appear official, are typed or printed out on bordered court paper, and are hoped to look official enough that the signers will believe them to be official court documents, and will treat them as such. It is the least expensive way of resolving a dispute, and is sometimes used in issues surrounding a divorce, child support, custody agreements when one party has an attorney, and the other either does not, or is unsophisicated in matters of the law. It is also inexpensive, as minimal time is billed for producing the document, most of it is standard form. It is actually embarrassing, because whoever drafted it did not even include lines for witnesses to the signatures.

Obviously, the ante rose as this situation became more intense. Some might say that the Scarboroughs were obsessive-compulsive in their desires to be returned to the good graces of LCG. Isn't that the depth in belief and commitment which Armstrongite ministry has always tried to achieve amongst the members? Why then would LCG harden their hearts against what they would define as good and committed members? If these were the intertestamental times of the Maccabees, the Scarboroughs would have abundantly and figuratively proven by their behavior that they would not eat the pork, that they would retain their beliefs most likely unto death. The chaotic thinking, and the mixed messages being sent by LCG in this case are absolutely insane. That is certainly not indicative of the type of spirit which I'd be searching for in choosing a place for spiritual guidance!


Anonymous said...

I wish I could devise a way to print these documents/letters out and have them dispersed to LCG members so they could see what kind of men they are looking to fit their spiritual guidance.

They are blind and need to see.

NO2HWA said...

All you have to do is hit Command-P or Control-P on your keypad and it should open the page up with all 4 of the LCG related materials. OR just copy and paste the article.

Anonymous said...

I was there. The third paragraph is a flat out lie. Me and 250 other people know it first hand. Which minister write this?

Anonymous said...

I must say that I had a negative opinion on filing the lawsuit but now that I see what they were dealing with my mind is changed. I can't imagine what It would feel like to be on the receiving end of this less than Christian document.

I am embarrassed for my church. There is no excuse for this kind of behavior. None.

Anonymous said...

This document brings 2 things to mind:

1 - it makes LCG look guilty because if they were not guilty, they wouldn't need to be "released" from their crime

2- it makes LCG look wholly UNGODLY for authoring such a rag in the first place

Dexter Wakefield, Rod McNair and Tom Turner should be ashamed of themselves. Church members should question what kind of "minister" would do such a thing to people who were trying to get back into the flock. It's not good people.

Anonymous said...

Only a fool would have signed this without consulting with an attorney. Kicked them while they were down is right!

Anonymous said...

I didn't know that Rod Mcnair was related to Dave Pack. Things are starting to make sense.

Anonymous said...

Are LCGers okay with this?

If you are in LCG please post your thoughts. They can be anonymous. I'm just curious to know if this release is a-okay in LCG land.

Anonymous said...

Anon 5:14 here

I know for a fact that many Charlotte LCG members troll this site daily and yet no one answered my question. Are LCGers okay with this consent form???

Jerry? Pete? Wyatt? John? Jim? Dylan? Charles?

Surely someone has the courage to answer!