Dave Pack reminisces on the good ol'days when bears would rip people apart

 

The dumbest thing Dibar Apartian ever said was to Bob Thiel

How can any Church of God member ever trust what a church leader says when this kind of idiocy is bantered about?

"Some have questioned whether or not Dr. Meredith could have ever held the mantle, because of his character issues. Well, he may have. Like A.N. Dugger, if Dr. Meredith had the mantle he lost it. And he would have lost it no later than December 2011.

Another possibility is that the late evangelist Dibar Apartian had it. Dibar Apartian was originally not certain if he should follow Dr. Meredith into the old Global Church of God, but finally did. Over the years, Dibar Apartian kept telling me to get Dr. Meredith and the other LCG evangelists to correct their mistakes. On October 16, 2008, at the Feast of Tabernacles in Evian, France in 2008, Dibar Apartian specifically told me that he suspected that I "was the one," meaning the one to lead the work and possess the mantle in the end—and that came from Dibar Apartian, not me--he provided further confirmation of that in 2009 and 2010. Dibar Apartian also had major problems with LCG and started to be more vocal about them before his death in 2010. His urging of me to do what I did, could have been the transferring of the mantle, but I am not certain.

It is also possible that Aaron Dean had it before me. He was Herbert W. Armstrong top advisor until he died and tried to dissuade Joseph Tkach from apostasy. If so, the actual mantle would have passed to Bob Thiel no later than he was anointed to receive a double-portion of God's Spirit

Has the church ever had a bigger liar than what it currently has in Bob Thiel? Even the gargantuan lies of Dave Pack pale in comparison to the bosh Thiel regularly pumps out.

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The Tithing Lie and the Ridiculousness of the Pharisees

 

One thing the Church of God is good at is fleecing its members for money by claiming everyone must tithe 10%. Then, on top of that, 2nd tithe, excess 2nd tithe, 3rd tithe, a tithe of the tithe, special offerings, building funds, and co-worker appeal letters. The real gospel of the church is money.

Tithing has been a lie that has taken over the church for decades. Even the new splinter groups who had a chance to do things right still incorporated tithing into their belief systems. Who could blame them though, how else were these ministers going to maintain their privileged lifestyles? UCG and Global/LCG were particularly good at this as they started collecting tithe money from their "soon-to-be" followers secretly and putting it in the bank in order to have a steady income once they jumped ship from the mother church as they claimed apostasy.

This is an excerpt from Tithing - You're Doing It Wrong on the As Berans Did site. (You can read the full article there.)

Tithing was not 10%. It was one-in-ten.

HOW TITHING ACTUALLY WORKED

What is the difference, you ask? Let me xplain.

Originally,  ancient Israel was an agrarian society. All that means is most of the nation's wealth was generated in a field somewhere. That is why you will only see tithes of the farm, field, orchard, or flock. That is why you hear of the Pharisees tithing of mint, anise, and cumin (DEU. 14: 22). Note: the church leaders tithed. You will not find a verse where tithes came from money. Or fish, for that matter. You can turn a tithe into money in order to make it easier to transport, but it was not money originally. (Does your Minister accept tomatoes?)

Some did have "income" as we understand it, because there were tradesmen and specialists in that agrarian society. Somebody had to cut stone and build houses and smith bronze and craft the clay and fletch arrows, and etc. That tent aint gonna weave itself! Yet, you never see a verse commanding them to tithe on their pay. It is implied that money income was donated, but it is never directly commanded that money income was tithed. Some forms of income simply were not tithed upon.

So, we are back to tithing on farm, field, orchard, or flock. Here, the one-in-ten system becomes necessary. To explain how the one-in-ten tithing system worked, let us imagine some shepherds.

Once a year, the shepherds would all gather in their area to have their flocks counted. We were reminded by Miller Jones in the comments on this post that it wasn't the whole flock that was counted, but the increase of the flock. An important point to mention! (No one tithes on everything they currently own, but the new income. Or else tithing would guarantee poverty.) For the count, the new sheep were caused to pass under a rod. Every tenth sheep was given.

(LEV. 27: 32) And concerning the tithe of the herd or the flock, of whatever passes under the rod, the tenth one shall be holy to the Lord.

Let's say for example there is a poor shepherd who has three new sheep.

Under a one-in-ten system: This poor shepherd brings his three sheep to be counted. There is no tenth sheep to give, so he ends up giving nothing at all.

Under a system of 10%: He would have to cut three-tenths of one sheep and hand it over. That leaves him with two and seven-tenths sheep.

Let's say for example there is a more successful shepherd with twenty-nine new sheep.

Under a one-in-ten system: This shepherd brings his twenty-nine sheep to be counted. As the tenth passes under the rod, he hands it over. As the twentieth passes under the rod, he surrenders it over as well. Since there is no thirtieth sheep, nothing further is taken from him.

Under a system of 10%: He would have to surrender two whole sheep, then cut nine-tenths of a third sheep and hand it over. That leaves him with twenty six and one-tenth sheep.

Do you see the difference?

Let's do what is un-biblical and turn this tithe example into one of money. I only do this because so many people think of tithing in terms of money income, although that "biblical" idea is not in the Bible anywhere.

Ten percent of $19.98 is $1.99. One-in-ten of $19.98 is $1.00.

Ten percent of $983.75 is $98.37. One-in-ten of $983.75 is $98.00.

Same starting amounts, different tithe. The two systems are similar but not the same.

There is a tangible difference between 10% and one-in-ten. What is that poor shepherd supposed to do with that seven-tenths of a sheep, exactly? Plus, with one-in-ten you never have to round up.

If you understand how tithing really worked, it makes the ridiculousness of the Pharisees even greater. They didn't just weigh their herbs and spices then hand over 10%. No. If they were doing it as expected, then they had to count it all out and give one out of every ten. Talk about strain at a gnat and swallow a camel! Doing all of that fastidious counting, but missing the law of love almost completely.

The law of love in Armstrongism has always been missing. Fastidious lawkeeping has always reigned supreme. 

The church has never relied upon sound doctrine but upon the wild ravings of mad men leading it. They turned their itching ears away from the truth decades ago and that's why we are stuck with such fools as Bob Thiel, Dave Pack, Ron Wenland, and Gerald Flurry.

When a Family Member "Marks" A Sibling, Does God Care?

 

Only in COGland do you hear someone "marking" a family member after apparently disfellowshipping them from their own church. Herbert did it to Ted. Now Samuel Kitchen has marked his own brother, which in the long run is nothing more than empty words that carry no weight either by man or by God. This is especially true since Samuel is not ordained and has no power. He is like Bob Thiel, self-appointed to a position that God has no part in. Herbert Armstrong would never approve of this situation.

Brethren, 

 

I do not seek self glory. The Worldwide Church of God is the Church of God, with Jesus Christ as its Head. 

 

This work I've been involved with these last 19 years, is something I didn't choose. I was led and thrown into this work, and it's been about serving the people of God, and warning of spiritual dangers Christ has shown me, and to encourage you to Hold Fast and endure this great falling away, and to NOT develop a wrong attitude towards the ministry of Christ. 

 

Mr. Aaron Dean, is an ordained minister of the Worldwide Church of God. He is attending another church at the moment, but he is holding fast with what he knows. 

 

What I feel Jesus Christ is leading me to do, is direct your attention to the ministry of the Worldwide Church of God as they "come out of her" and return to the ministry of the Worldwide Church of God. 

Samuel is like Bob Thiel and Dave Pack. All of them are expecting COG ministers from hundreds and hundreds of splinter groups to suddenly see the light and return to the one true faith, in this case, the stolen entity that claims to be the Worldwide Church of God. The idea that the old WCG will be resurrected, in all of its filthy glory has been a long-held belief by many since HWA died. Some of the diehard faithful used to gather at his grave waiting for him to be resurrected on January 16 every year so he could restore the church and Ambassador College back to the glory days and complete a final work We have seen how well that has worked for Dave Pack and Bob Thiel. It is going to be no better for Samuel.

I am not an ordained man. I am a nobody. I'm not grabbing for power or position or money. And so that's why I focus on what God has built and what I feel Christ is doing. The ordained ministry is cut off unable to operate as the men of the Worldwide Church of God. 

Every minister in a splinter group lost their ordination status the second they apostatized from the mother church when they threw their self-righteous little hissy fits. That ordination was only valid in the WCG. It did not transfer over. Sadly, they had the example of their dear departed leader who left the Church of God 7th Day to start his own group and then immediately set about discrediting COG7. Splinter ministers did the exact same thing. Speaking ill of their mother church, its leaders, and of ministers leading other COG groups. They still do it to this very day.

So right now, we brethren, have the archived sermons and teachings materials of Christ's apostle and those who were with him at that time, to pastor us. 

 

But our work, will be stopped by the rising of the United States of Europe, the beast system coming out of Europe. It will be an attempt to destroy the ministerial function of the archives, in order to say there is no Worldwide Church of God. 

Ho hum. Same old broken record skipping in the exact same place. Bob Thiel, Dave Pack, Gerald Flurry, Ron Wienland, Alton Billignsly, and many others all believe that their amazing works will be stopped. 

Mr. Dean, probably isn't very comfortable with me bringing his name up. But it's not up to him. And it's not up to me. But I will direct people to Christ's ministers, and ask for everyone to support them RETURNING to the Worldwide Church of God. 

Aaron Dean is not and will never lead some glorious restoration of a morally and spiritually bankrupt church that destroyed the lives of tens of thousands of people over 8 decades. 

So if I were to die brethren, support the men of the ministry as they return. I'm a nobody. I don't want the chief seat. 

Satan is apparently so pissed at Samuel right now that he is trying to strike him down. This is grandiose delusions just like Bob Thiel has. Actually, it is plain and simply a lie. 

I just had to publicly mark my twin brother, because of division he caused within the Church of God. That hurts me, because I felt we were united. This was not an attempt to grab control. 

I am sure his brother could care less as this carries absolutely no weight with God.  

So that's why I write this brethren. The ministry when restored, needs to be respected and honored. And no matter what happens to me, show them that honor as they return to God's Church. 

Samuel isn't a minister so the "marking" is invalid.

I'm not talking about Ron Stephens and his illegitimate Church, or any other. That's why I point to Aaron Dean. He is a man who was there with Mr. Armstrong and who it seems does not have another spirit that is hostile. He is just with another church, and so all I can do is prepare you all to support the ministry as they exit other groups, and as they get behind Aaron Dean. 

People in the COG are not going to follow Aaron Dean any more than they followed Bob Thiel.

I'm sorry Mr. Dean, of I am causing trouble for you, but this must be said. If I die in this fight, I want this battle to be not in vain, but for the edification of the Worldwide Church of God. 

 

This is not about me. It's about God's Church and God's Truth. 

How many times have we heard this since the Great Rebellion of 1996? Everyone has the "truth" and everyone is running the "one true church". All of these blabbering idiots have made a mockery of God's truths and especially of Christ, 

May God bless you men of the ministry and stir a fire under you all so that Christ may accomplish in you His Work. We brethren need you to be here. The final phase of God's Work and Church is coming speedily upon us. 

 

In Jesus Christ's name,
Samuel W Kitchen

It is time for the rotting corpse of the old Worldwide Church of God and its hundreds of harlot daughters to be buried. 

Crackpot Prophet Tries To Prove His Legtimacy Once Again And Fails

 

It has to be rough being the most ridiculed prophet of the Church of God. Being the newcomer on the block that is already overrun by countless other self-appointed false prophets, church leaders, and outright liars, it is a constant struggle to maintain legitimacy. Today in COGland prophets are a dime a dozen.

One thing they all have in common is that they love to trot out Herbert Armstrong as proof of their legitimacy. There was only one chosen leader, appointed by Herbert Armstrong himself thus invalidating every one of the current crop of church leaders.

The other thing most of them have in common is the myth of proper church government. Armstrongism has always been hierarchical with the power concentrated at the top by some self-appointed grand guru, chief overseer, apostle, prophet, or pastor general. They all imagine themselves as leaders of an army of followers marching forward militaristically like those in Onward Christian Soldiers. The problem the Church of God faces today with these blithering idiots is that NONE of them are men with masculine leadership skills. Some think the more bombastic they are the more they are in tune with god.

This all brings us today to our Great Bwana Bob Mzungu Thiel, a church leader so far down the totem pole that he is constantly covered in crap from all of these above him. The Great Bwana is like most of the other self-appointed COG leaders who know that God never appointed them. As hard as they try, they just can never gain the legitimacy they crave so narcissistically

It is even worse when you have self-appointed yourself after getting kicked out of your original church community. When that happens the black marks are already stacked against you. After Rod Meredith publicly humiliated the Great Bwana Bob he has never been able to get his foot in the door. That is why out of the thousands of Living Church of God members he has been unable to gather many followers.  They saw his hypocritical know-it-all attitude when he was amongst them and it disturbed the vast majority of them.

This damaged track record is constantly niggling at him and that is why he constantly has to keep trying to prove his legitimacy. After all, it is all about him and not so much about Jesus.

Fortunately, even trotting out dead Herbert does not help their cause, particularly when they use church government as their basis for existence. Most people know for a fact that Herbert Armstrong would have kicked these little guys out of the church so fast their heads would be spinning 38 years later. But, yet they persist.

For some absurd reason, the Great Bwana Bob thinks that his little cult is the faith once delivered in the 1st century and that all of us should immediately acknowledge him as the true prophet and the one true church. It just irks him to high heaven that people mock him and do not respect the church government structure he believes he has in place that places him at the top and the rest of the church under his feet.

On May 7. he trots out several articles by Herbert on how we can lose our salvation by not following proper church government and not heading the appointed church leader and his wisdom. He starts off by using Herb's bellowing article, Some of You May Not Make It Into God’s Kingdom – Does It Mean YOU? as the basis of guilt-tripping backsliders and the rebellious people of the church into following him because proper church government DEMANDS they do.

Remember this crap?

Since Adam failed to resist Satan and to restore the GOVERNMENT OF GOD, none of Adam’s children could overcome Satan and qualify to replace Satan on that throne over all the earth and to RESTORE the government of God. So finally God sent His OWN Son, His only-begotten Son, to become human as well as divine. Jesus was GOD in human flesh — God as well as MAN. He was the ONLY human ever able to obey God’s great spiritual LAW perfectly, resist and conquer Satan and QUALIFY to RESTORE the GOVERNMENT OF GOD on earth!

More than that, He was able to set us an example of living THE WAY of God’s spiritual LAW, to die for us, paying for us the penalty of our sins, and to be resurrected by the FATHER, thus making our resurrection and immortal life possible — so that WE may become God’s CHILDREN in GOD’S FAMILY, and born GOD BEINGS. 

 

We together with God and with Christ shall form THE KINGDOM OF GOD, RULING ALL THE EARTH WITH THE GOVERNMENT OF GOD. Satan then shall be banished.

And then there was this:

The KINGDOM is the divine FAMILY of God. If we cannot live as a FAMILY should live, according to God’s SPIRITUAL LAW, now, while in God’s Church, WE SIMPLY WON’T MAKE IT INTO God’s KINGDOM (which is His divine FAMILY!). 

 

Now PLEASE! PLEASE, dear brethren, HEED THIS! Many of you are NOT living the kind of FAMILY LIFE that is preparing you for God’s Kingdom. And if you DON’T repent, and reorder your whole FAMILY life, YOU SIMPLY WON’T MAKE IT INTO THE KINGDOM! I MEAN THAT! It is LIFE AND DEATH for ALL ETERNITY! 

 

We found at the summer SEP camp at Orr, Minn., that in many cases the children DO NOT EAT WITH THEIR PARENTS AT HOME! 

 

It is reported to me that many of you are LAX in child training and in teaching your little children! You ARE NEGLECTING YOUR FAMILY LIFE. And you may be NEGLECTING SO GREAT SALVATION. 

 

Listen to what God SAYS! “How shall we [we in the Church] escape, if we NEGLECT so great salvation?” (Heb. 2:3). 

 

… many of you are NEGLECTING your very salvation! 

 

God says to YOU: “For the time IS COME that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if… the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?” (l Pet. 4:17-18). (Good News, January 1981)

The Great Bwana then adds some more Herbism's to back himself up as the one legitimate COG leader:

Five years after the above was published Herbert W. Armstrong died. 

 

In the radio broadcast he did, titled End Time Falling Away, Herbert Armstrong taught that the New Testament shows there will be falling away related to the Church of God in Acts 20:28-29, as well as a massive turning aside towards fables for the world in 2 Timothy 4:3 (note, all oral quotes in this document are from my notes and may not always be verbatim but do accurately convey what he taught): 

 

Men to turn away from the truth … Acts 20:29 and 30 … Paul … wanted to meet with the leaders of the church … What church? The Church of God! … “For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.”

Imagine being so blinded by one's self-importance that the Great Bwana can't see this is talking about himself.

The Great Bwana then goes on to try and blame Tkach Sr and others for the miserable state of the church today. I hate to burst the Great Bwanas bubble but the church was already doomed decades before Tkach ever took over.

His successor was NOT faithful and led what was perhaps one of the largest ‘falling aways’ in the history of the Church of God. 

 

Thus, Herbert W. Armstrong was correct to warn people who thought they were Christians that they may not make it into the Kingdom of God.

He continues with this:

While the above seems to have other applications, the fact that two-thirds of those in the old WCG accepted total apostasy after the death of Herbert W. Armstrong, and about one-third did not, makes the possible application of the Tkach apostasy seem to fit. 

 

Nowadays, most remaining Christians do not accept proper church governance–even though Herbert W. Armstrong emphasized that a lot in his final years on Earth for Philadephian Christians.

The Great Bwana is leading up to why he and he alone is the one true church leader and why we would submit to his governance:

After Herbert W. Armstrong’s death, not only was there a falling away, it has become clear that the Laodicean era has been upon us. 

 

Sadly, most who did not fall away from Christianity have drifted into Laodiceanism.

If you are going to believe the church-era nonsense then you would need to admit that the church was already Laodicean many decades earlier. There is nothing Philadelphian about the COG today. Brotherly love does not exist in the COG today, even in the improperly named "continuing" Church of "god".

In the end times, MOST true Christians will be Laodicean. It is not that the Laodiceans cannot enter the Kingdom of God, but they have issues that they need to change–and risk severe chastisement in this life if they do not repent. 

 

Do not remain Laodicean.

So what is a grievous sinning Laodicean to do? 

Why, join the one true Church of Bwana Bob! Woo Hoo! Petra here we come!

He continues by quoting some more Herbism's:

God has always, in dealing with humans, worked through ONE MAN at a time — one who believed God! Some in ancient Israel challenged this one-man leadership. Some, like-wise, have challenged it today! … In founding God’s Church, Jesus worked primarily through one man, Peter, even though He originally chose His 12 disciples. Few have ever noticed how Peter was the real leader. Jesus had told His disciples to go NOT to the gentiles, but to the “lost sheep of the House of Israel.” … Notice now PETER’S preeminence. Few have ever put all these scriptures together as I shall now do. This shows PETER was leader. … And, though there were other apostles, God worked primarily through ONE man –PETER! Has God changed? Or is He the SAME still today? … The Jerusalem conference (Acts 15) showed that PETER was predominant over even Paul, although Paul was the ONE MAN God worked through primarily in the ministry to gentiles. The CHURCH is GOD’S Church. (Armstrong, Herbert W. And NOW Christ Sets Church Back On Track Doctrinally. Good News, April 1979). 

 

Notice that Herbert Armstrong believed that God mainly worked through the leadership of one man at a time to lead various phases of the work. Scripture, shows for example, that the mantle passed from Elijah to Elisha (2 Kings 2:9-15). The ‘mantle’ would currently be with the person/group that truly functioned as the ‘pillar and ground of truth’ (1 Timothy 3:15). 

 

For fifty years in the second century, according to Herbert W. Armstrong, that man was Polycarp:

It is significant that after his release John trained Polycarp elder of Smyrna, a city near Ephesus in the province of Asia. … At neighboring Smyrna, Polycarp presided over the Church of God for half a century after John’s death. Polycarp stood up boldly for the truth while many fell away and began having fellowship with the Catholic bishops of Rome. History relates that following the example of Peter, Paul and John, Polycarp wrote many letters to congregations and individuals, though all these have perished, save one in an edited version. (Armstrong HW. The Church They Couldn’t Destroy. Good News, December 1981) 

 

For over 50 years in the 20th century, it was Herbert W. Armstrong. 

 

And in the 21st century, that one man is not in any of the independent or more structured Laodicean groups. 

 

Support the remnant of the Philadephian era and God’s work today. 

 

Do not delay (cf. Zephaniah 2:1-3).

The Great Bwana is a deceitful liar to claim he is that "one man". He is everything but that. No real Christian would ever follow such a deceitful little man, particularly one who says as many lies as he does. He and Dave Pack are just alike as they manipulate and deceive their followers. 

The more a COG leader shouts to us about how important they are and how they are God's highly chosen it should be a bright beacon to us all that these men are liars. If they have to continuously prove to us who they are then they are not the kind of person any of us needs to follow.

Stay away, Far away!

DO NOT DELAY!

Special Needs King Dave Pack: Claims He Cannot Die

 

Special Needs

More than anything, David C. Pack strives to be special. The Pastor General of The Restored Church of God is a clinical study of malignant narcissism wrapped in staggering insecurity. It is quite a feat for a grown man to whine like a little girl from a position of victimhood while attacking perceived enemies viciously at the same time.

David C. Pack is special because he had a “special relationship” with Herbert W. Armstrong.

David C. Pack is special because he is written about all throughout the Bible.

David C. Pack is special because he doodies in the toilet, not in his pants.

Even though nothing biblical will happen on Iyar 1 (May 8/9), David C. Pack will be moved by special discomfort, leading to special suspicion that will result in the discovery of special knowledge granted by his special god that will necessitate a special message to a special people that reshuffles a special plan for a special kingdom bringing a special Jesus in the background to do a special work proving to the mockers and scoffers that David C. Pack is special, after all.

Because he needs to be.

Special David C. Pack will not die.
Special David C. Pack is royalty.
Special David C. Pack understands New Moons.

David C. Pack has special needs. He needs to be special in his genetics, special in his authority, special in his understanding of Bible prophecy, and special in his role in God’s plan.

“The Greatest Untold Story!” Series is a continuous testament to his specialness in the eyes of his worshipers. The Headquarters hirelings have resigned themselves to accepting whatever falls from his lips because they must all agree if they want to secure their paychecks.

The things Dave says are special…but not in the way he thinks.

 

Ooh and aah at David C. Pack’s special knowledge.

Part 509 – April 20, 2024
@ 38:32 If time went on, one of the things we would do, I can tell ya right now, and you sh–you you couldn’t possibly argue with this. We would watch New Moon to New Moon. What do you know? Why do you think why do you think recently God had this church and none other begin to focus on New Moons?

Wade Cox just spit out his coffee.

@ 38:55 For centuries, nobody kept New Moons. But I thought, “Well, I’m it I see it in the Scriptures. We're gonna do it."

Wade Cox just started weeping because most of you do not know who he is. Point made.

Part 510 – April 27, 2024
@ 29:52 Now, that’s exquisite knowledge. I feel honored to have resolved it. It’s never been known to anyone before.

David C. Pack was honored to teach the members of The Restored Church of God that the word “half” means half. For real. That was his exquisite knowledge.

Prepare for more goosebumps.

@ 47:25 So, the Flock of Slaughter is the church.

This is some special, powerful stuff, people.

 

David C. Pack lies when he needs to make a special point.

Part 507 – April 16, 2024
@ 26:45 And the Hebrew carries a capital letter. “He,” meaning God did it.

Why he makes up "facts" easily disproven with the most rudimentary research is still a mystery. The man has gotten so used to lying to others and himself that it is easy for him to make up things and vomit them on the brethren while claiming God’s authority. He must see no consequences for that.

The result is the same, whether due to arrogance or laziness: David C. Pack is a fallacious teacher. This may seem minor, but once you catch him lying, it is wise to frame all else with the same healthy skepticism.

 

David C. Pack has no fear of God.

Part 510 – April 27, 2024
@ 1:33:02 As I get older, I I I I relate to that. I’m very thankful. I I’m I’m in good shape. But, let’s say I [chuckles] let’s say I died in the next ten days. Would you think, “That’s it. I’m goin’ fishing?” Or would you expect to see me now? Not that I’m any more important than anybody else. I’m just saying. You know, I read that Elijah’s here. Now, he’s found so doing, so I know I don’t die. A couple places say that.

Zero places in the Bible say that. David C. Pack is supremely confident due to his colossal piss-poor reading comprehension skills. What an arrogant, foolish man. Worrying about tempting God must be for us non-special folks.

Some people make fantastic 5-layer dip. David C. Pack makes a 5-layer fantasy.

He feigns humbleness that he is not “any more important than anybody else” and, without even a pause between breaths, comments on his own immortality.

“Ah, gee whiz, fellas. I ain’t more important than you. I just don't die.”

False humility followed by supreme hubris. Which aspect illustrates the genuine David C. Pack?

 

David C. Pack stealthily undoes years’ worth of doctrine with a passive aside in 3…2…1…

Part 508 – April 17, 2024
@ 20:08 There’s no evidence that any of us or Elijah sits on David’s throne. I I don’t know whether what what that is. Maybe maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. But the point is you hafta have one more [overturn]. What is it?

David C. Pack will no longer keep ancient King David's throne dust-free, but he is still special

No matter what topic is being covered, David C. Pack always finds a way to insert his specialness in the middle of a sentence in 3…2…1…

@ 22:51 An existing king where it has been for a long, long time under I'm, by the way, a direct descendant of most of the kings of England and and uh the Celtic kings and and and uh Scottish kings. I I am. I know for a fact I am. So, it’s kind of interesting. So, being a descendant of David through two of his sons that’s that’s just true. So, I find that fascinating. It’s just gonna go to somebody else who’s descended from David, which was a promise God said would always be carried out. 

David C. Pack finds himself fascinating. Wow. It is because he is so special.

Hmm. Someone else descended from David, who has a promise from God. When I attended The Restored Church of God, they taught me it was Jesus Christ.

@ 23:22 You know, if there’s some other David out there who’s gonna step in at the last minute, [chuckles] then then [chuckles], you know, then you understand. Then, that'll happen. [chuckles] But, but then Israel does what they always do.

The people called Jesus Christ “the son of David” in the New Testament for a reason. At least, that used to be RCG doctrine, but those days are long gone. Heresy, blasphemy, and corruption are what they spread now. And this is all under your watch, Brad.

David C. Pack wonders a silly question to which he knows the answer is NO in 3…2…1…

Part 508 – April 17, 2024
@ 06:02 So, it’s something to just keep your your eyes on, and I I you you do wonder. Those who have left us are they wondering, “Was The Restored Church of God right?” Because this world is all wrong. 

That is laughable. Nobody in RCG wonders about that. Nobody outside RCG ever looks back. Not a single person.

Everyone who has fled that spiritually corrupt organization—EVERYONE—knows they made the right decision. If you ever want to experience a 100% success rate, examine everyone who has fled The Restored Church of God and ask them if their life is better because of it.

David C. Pack is a hypocritical, blaspheming liar. He fits the biblical definition of a false apostle, false teacher, and false prophet. Tomorrow, he will be a prophetic fraud for the 80^th time since spring of 2022.

There are no pillars of salt anywhere in the eyesight of The Restored Church of God. Not a single one.

 

David C. Pack expresses a staggering level of blindness by revealing himself as a hypocrite five times in seventeen seconds. Now, this is special.

Part 510 – April 27, 2024
@ 39:44 I have known many ministers who were in it for the money. They said, “I'm rich. It's all good.” They drove their big-mobile and had people bring 'em coffee, and carry their their briefcase, and do all kinds of other things. Serve them instead of the other way around.

Money: Paying Common in The Restored Church of God is required for salvation. Dave will claim that the money does not go to him, but it does keep the Campus afloat. Common funds built Dave’s house. Common funds built and maintain the pasture his horses graze on. Common funds allow him to be a perpetual Bible student who never needs to produce anything or do any real work. “It’s all good” for David C. Pack. [Hypocrisy? CHECK!]

Big-Mobile: David C. Pack drives a black Lincoln Navigator. I found a used 2022 model on Carfax.com listed for $67,000 and a 2023 for $84,000. [Hypocrisy? CHECK!]

Coffee: David C. Pack never gets his own coffee. Four ladies at Headquarters are trained to prepare Mr. Pack's coffee properly, not including his wife. They must put hot water in the coffee cup to get it warm before putting coffee in it. His coffee must be “the right color.” Too light means too much cream. Too dark means not enough cream. [Hypocrisy? CHECK!]

Briefcase: Over the years, trusted men at Headquarters have had the privilege of being special enough to carry David C. Pack's briefcase. Today, that honor belongs to Jim Habboush and Andrew Holcombe. During my first month at Headquarters, when we were still at One Park Center, I watched Dave get into his assistant’s face with a pointed finger, chastising him in front of a room full of people on the Sabbath because the man dared to move his briefcase like he usually did but without Dave’s knowledge. [Hypocrisy? CHECK!]

Serving: David C. Pack serves no one, but everyone serves him. Minions carry his umbrella for him. Minions clean his fingernail clippings off the Third Floor Executive Imaginarium Boardroom Table. Minions put gas in his big-mobile. Minions mow his lawn. Minions pick up his dry cleaning. Minions make his lunch. Minions do his bidding. Minions do his dirty work. [Hypocrisy? CHECK!]

 

 

When David C. Pack needs to feel extra special, he preaches about himself while avoiding those troublesome first-person pronouns. By distorting the language, he obscures what he is really saying to prevent triggering the internal alarm bells of anyone left who still might be awake in The Restored Church of God.

Is anyone still awake over there?

Part 508 – April 17, 2024
@ 1:16:09 Now, you hafta come to grips with that. So, clearly, whatever THIS MAN does last is prophesying. Now, if it's, here's the thing. HE is a prophet. If HIS last action is talking to the church, then, like John the Baptist, ...no miracles, and so he just got an utterance. And God works through the Spirit to prophets, um if if if that's like John the Baptist, we could say, “Well, it’s been the last month.” …However, if HE’s actually gonna prophesy briefly to people in the Seventh Era, a Flock of Slaughter, for instance, or (and I'm not sure), then that would be HIS last action. And HE’s not a prophet yet, but HE would be.

Even Dave had a hard time blurring who he was talking about and started to give up.

@ 1:17:55 It’s either HE’s talking to the church, and we have to accept or whatever I wanna say or not that HE’s a prophet now (THIS MAN is a proph–) or that it’s just about to happen because it is quick. …That was hard to see.

@ 1:20:10 It’s the same Messenger in Malachi, ready? The same Messenger in Malachi who, right in the face of God coming, prepares a people. Okay? In Revelation 10:7, in the days of the voice. That's always troubled me. Voice. You mean like MY voice now? Or MY voice like in a bigger way as it occurs in the Seven Years? I don’t know. Never been able to resolve it. When HE’s about to sound, the Messenger, the the Mysteries of of God will will be um uh finished as God declared to it says to prophets. It’s interesting. It’s before HE sounds and eats the book and and then talks to all mankind and measures the Temple.

Boy, David C. Pack is the Seventh Angel of Revelation, there are days of his voice when the world hears him speak, he eats the book, and he measures God’s Temple. That would be quite the assignment if he were not already so special. 

David C. Pack is special and needs it to be that way. The alternative is that he is mistaken, and God is not using him to drone on for over seven years and set 80 dates for the return of Jesus Christ since the spring of 2022.

If he ever were to stop, he would have both feet planted on the “False Prophet/False Apostle/False Teacher” square. And he cannot have that. His delusional reality would come crashing down if he ever had to face the chilling truth God is not dropping anvils of inspiration out of the sky onto his head, the Holy Spirit is not making him uncomfortably suspicious, and he does not know even a fraction of what he believes he does.

David C. Pack is a sad, little, angry man.

The Kingdom of God will not arrive tomorrow, but he will push through his latest failure blanketed in pitiful denial with the cowardly support of his hireling enablers. There are no signs of any of that stopping.

And that is not so special.

Marc Cebrian

See: Special Needs

 

Dave Pack Tells Another Whopper: Christ Returns Tomorrow (May 8, 2024)

Calendar Corruption

David C. Pack goes out of his way to prove nobody should pay attention to anything he says. The Pastor General of The Restored Church of God just cannot figure out when Jesus Christ will return. Boy, that is a burr in his saddle.

Whether David False Passover is Elijah or not Elijah, whether he is prophesying or teaching, legitimacy has been eluding him since his first prophetic debacle on Elul 24 in 2013.

Even a dog is capable of learning. But not David C. Pack.

There is no proof, metric, math, or list he can conjure that is powerful enough to transform him into a truth-teller. He has single-handedly twisted the members of The Restored Church of God from faithful followers of Jesus Christ into weary “my Lord delays His coming” calendar counters.

The Sabbath, Holy Days, New Moons, and man’s holidays have all fallen victim to David C. Pack’s calendar corruption. The Kingdom of God will arrive on the first of XYZ month because it is impossible for it to be any other day except when the fifteenth reveals itself to be even more perfect.

A former minister once joked that exrcg.org should create a “David C. Pack Calendar of Failures” where the days of the year are marked with all the dates the world’s most incompetent prophecy theorist proclaimed under God’s authority this, that, and the other was “gonna happen.”

Even I do not have that kind of time.

Dave’s Imaginary Kingdom
Will NOT Arrive Iyar 1
Beginning on May 8, 2024,
at 12:30 PM ET or 7:59 PM ET

For the new folks: Hebrew dates do not make for clean headlines. The Hebrew day begins at sunset the night before. Sunset in Jerusalem, Israel, happens at 12:30 PM ET on May 8. Sunset in Wadsworth, Ohio, is at 7:59 PM ET on May 8. Iyar 1 ends at sunset on May 9. Whew.

The still yet-foolish in RCG who actually think David C. Pack has any authority to utter a peep to another human being will keep their eyes on sunset Jerusalem time, but then shift to sunset Wadsworth time, but then shift to sunset in Fiji. Just about then, all day Thursday will start looking like it.

No doubt, Jaco Viljoen already has a draft of his "We have more time, and Mr. Pack has discovered some incredible things," email ready to go. He may even hit send tonight.

 

Though David C. Pack has not been kind to the calendar, the calendar has not been kind to David C. Pack. Neither have his own words.

Part 507 – April 16, 2024
@ 04:34 So, keep watching. We’re right on time.

@ 04:51 But here we are. And all those verses that God has laid out are coming to bear.

That was three weeks ago. Nothing came to bear. Nothing.

@ 06:26 I absolutely believe we’re right on time.

@ 06:38 But perhaps the greatest proof that God starts the Seven Years at Passover comes now.

Ouch. Dave was so sure things would happen on Passover. Right after being so sure things would happen on Abib 1.

@ 06:48 The subject of the 2,520 days returned with the same discomfort as did, “Do we really have Abib 1 right?” And I was uncomfortable, and I explained to you a week ago.

@ 07:39 WE raced through some of these verses too fast. Sort of like assuming Abib 1 too fast and I wanna revisit them and show you what I’ve learned.

@ 07:05 Was I thorough enough? This time, WE can be more careful than when I rushed thorough not having learned additional things as I have now. So, I believe it was God’s purpose. I don’t get sick very often. I’m very grateful for that but I actually came to believe I was learning so many fascinating things. It was good that I did.

David C. Pack does not just get sick like ordinary human beings due to poor hygiene habits, personal weakness, consequences for physical sin, or time and chance…no, when David C. Pack gets sick, it fulfills God's purpose.

I am not sure how "good" that was for him. During his fever dreams, he shifted from Abib 1 to Passover, which did not last very long despite the assurances tied tightly to an idea of 2,520 days.

Part 508 – April 17, 2024
@ 10:28 But it shows again how things are just all clearing up. Now, that wuh-it was a long, tedious pursuit or journey or search [chuckles] process to get to a correct understanding of the 2,520.

A correct understanding which has since been changed.

@ 11:33 I don’t know how that could be or they're not true in any way that we can understand. If God can take the 2,520 and dock it further, and we shoot past Passover, then He's done something we can't we can't understand. We can't know.

He has said it. He does not understand the Scriptures nor the ways of God.

@ 1:29:00 Yer gonna yer gonna ask me to give me give you a final position on this. And brethren, I can’t. I can’t.

@ 1:29:33 My guts tell me we don't get to Monday without something big happening, and the only thing I can find would be Three Shepherds. And if that happens, there’s only one guy who ever said that was gonna happen and thousands and thousands in the Splinters heard it and it wuh–it didn’t happen, you know, eleven years ago. But it has to happen or the Bible lies about that. You know, I use that term. It’s gotta happen in the only month we can now fit it. There is no one-month Kingdom there. We know all that.

@ 1:30:10 So, we’ll just have to see what God intends to do.

God intended to not back David C. Pack up with anything he preaches. This has been consistent. This will forever be the case. Despite David C. Pack corrupting the calendar, the calendar is not kind to him.

 

As the calendar crept on, more clarifying had to naturally occur.

Part 509 – April 20, 2024
@ 00:12 I know you're wondering, “Well, Mr. Pack, how do we have time for another message?” Well, I’ll explain that. Fascinating. Fascinating message today.

After Abib 1 raised its hand and said, “Not it.” Passover followed suit, “Not it.”

Hey, Hebrew month of Iyar…we’re looking at you.

@ 14:40 Okay. Discomfort and great suspicion returned about something. And I want to explain it. Now, we’re right on track. We understand the year we’re in. We need seven years to get to 2031…

@ 15:07 Could we get past Abib 15?

With David C. Pack, there is always plenty of blame to spread around.

@ 20:29 Jews never get anything right, and that's what God just said. But they would understand the mystery of when God was gonna build His Kingdom? If you just took that, you'd say, “There’s no way it’s Passover.” And it certainly wasn’t Abib 1. We got that much right.

David C. Pack’s brain does not allow him to accept defeat and failure. Each defeat and each failure is actually a victory and a success because there is always a way to be right despite being spectacularly wrong.

@ 26:32 Then, you’re left with, “Wait a minute.” The first chance this could possibly begin is Iyar 1.

Notice how the Holy Spirit moves men via suspicion and how often Dave refers to that as some kind of proof of godly guidance.

@ 26:51 The more I stared at 84 months the more suspicious I became of any Passover date.

@ 27:15 I mean, I was so suspicious of Abib 1, but I ran into some problems with Abib 1, but in principle, are we learning that Abib 1 was right? Except, like the prophets and the apostles. We just didn’t have the right New Moon?

A new truth The Restored Church of God accepts is that preaching heresy while fraudulently claiming God's authority and speaking in His name can be right…in principle. That idea is so good Dave had to use it again.

@ 1:24:32 So, the prophets, apostles, and Paul were right. The Kingdom does comes on the New Moon. We can know which one. And Abib 1 for was for a long time right in principle. It’s a New Moon. But just the wrong one.

With that same logic, the false prophets in the Bible were actually right…in principle. They proclaimed a god, just the wrong one. Paul warned of false teachers proclaiming a false Jesus and a false gospel, but even they are right…in principle. The just taught the wrong ones.

David C. Pack is a hypocritical blaspheming liar. He perverts the Scriptures just as he corrupts the calendar. No date he sets will ever be correct because the Holy Spirit does not move him to preach any of this.

The Kingdom of God will not arrive on May 8 or 9, proving who David C. Pack is for the 80^th time since spring 2022.

 

@ 33:33 The idea of Iyar 1, or we could say, “Are you sure it’s Iyar 1?”

@ 37:27 Based on what we know, it’s impossible, it’s impossible for the Father to come before Iyar 1. That’s May 8^th. It’s impossible. Or you just you just train wrecked eternity. We could say thousands [chuckles] thousands of generation. You cannot have the Father here until Iyar 1. May 8^th. Something just under, you know, eighteen days away. I could stop and say, “Wow in a way the this becoming easy, easy to grasp.”

Nobody should declare something easy and keep getting it wrong.

@ 46:56 Iyar 1’s a Wednesday. So, it fits perfectly. Forever.

@ 55:39 Apparently, He said you do it on Iyar 1. Not Abib 1. Iyar 1. What a shadow foreshadowing that is. Now, you know, the the disciples and the prophets never connected this. I don’t know why. It wasn’t given to them. They didn’t see. They didn’t get suspicious of Iyar.

So, those disciples were not as suspicious as David C. Pack is. No wonder they were off by 2,000 years.

@ 1:25:14 I’m tremendously suspicious of something I cannot fully prove in regard to the rest of Abib. Stay hyper-alert. I don’t think it’s gonna play out the way you think it is.

It has and will continue to TOTALLY play out the way we think it is.

Enter the money angle in 3…2…1…

@ 1:26:55 In the meantime, be faithful and carry out the whole will of God. Now you hafta prepare two Holy Day offerings. Please be generous. I usually don’t talk about them. Well, for so long, I've thought we were on the on the naked edge of where we were we were out of time.

If the Kingdom of God allegedly arrives on May 8, why ask brethren to be generous with the pretty please? RCG was in a “powerful financial position” last we heard Dave crow. Who else thinks his “faith” is waning?

Enter the wiggle room in 3…2…1…

@ 1:27:12 But, you know, put your whole heart into it. “Mr. Pack, are you absolutely sure of Iyar?” If not Iyar, I’d wait New Moon to New Moon, hoping the disciples were right and Christ just didn't tell 'em they were right because they’re off by two thousand years. So, [chuckles] would I would I would I wait longer this year? I would. I think any idea that we would get to Sivan 1 is so far beyond highly dubious because of things I do know even though I can’t put ‘em all together. But a a final truly great proof, truly great proof of Iyar of Iyar, comes next week sometime, and you'll love it.

 

Part 510 – April 27, 2024
@ 15:05 Then I decided, just for my own purpose, I'm gonna write down all the things that point to Iyar 1…

@ 15:17 We're waiting for seven years to start in spring on a New Moon on a, call it a a Spring New Moon. That's what we're waiting for. Those things are inarguable. And there's one coming up in about, you know, under under 11 days. So I, okay. Could it slide to, could it slide to I'm 1000% sure, and you should be 1000% sure of two kingdoms starting at a New Moon. Or months remain months forever.

Dave's final truly great proof, truly great proof one week later, feels less like definitive support and more like an embarrassment escape hatch.

@ 15:50 Am I as sure that it's Iyar 1? Almost. After putting together all of the things that you heard and many others I learned in the week since I spoke about this, I'd say almost. I gave you a few thoughts per why it could go one more month. I don't really believe that. I didn't a week ago and less today, but it's not impossible. It's not impossible.

An email notification from CAD in the coming hours will declare Dave actually does believe that. Iyar 15 will start looking pretty good, but not as hot as Sivan 1. In The Restored Church of God, things are always much more confident the further away they are.

David C. Pack’s calendar corruption can be wrong about the date for the return of Jesus Christ, but right in principle.

 

Dave’s dates are constantly moving, constantly shifting, and constantly changing. It was the translators’ fault. It was the fault of the Jewish scholars. WE read too fast and there was just not enough time to be accurate.

Part 509 – April 20, 2024
@ 42:40 But, you want the truth. My job is to tell the truth. And I and I’m just gonna tell you, you know enough now if I stop there’s no possible way every iteration of God’s Kingdom doesn’t come on a New Moon. So, God shifts the Passover to what looks like Iyar 1. You should be— ‘cause the Series is ending. I mean, the Mystery of God’s coming to an end.

The “Greatest Unending Story!” is not ending. Dave’s Mystery of God is not coming to an end. If history teaches us anything, it is that.

For anyone who wants the truth, avoid David C. Pack and The Restored Church of God. Jesus Christ will not return on any day designated by David C. Pack’s suspicion. He corrupts the calendar just as he corrupts the Bible.

Those inside that spiritually bankrupt organization managed by cowardly hirelings are warned to flee by the book they proclaim to believe. Those outside that biblically fraudulent cesspool should heed the warnings.

Iyar 1 will come and go with only a tidal wave of excuses in its wake. Nothing will happen at sunset on May 8, 2024. Nothing will happen all day on May 9, 2024.

Mark your calendar.

Marc Cebrian

See: Calendar Corruption