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Sunday, July 7, 2013
COG Members Sick of Being A Commodity to be Traded From One COG to the Next
Gerald "Six-Pack" Flurry Not Happy With This Blog
Gerald and crew are NOT happy with this blog. Certain individuals are reporting back to me that I have been the topic of several conversations and they are not happy with the exposure they are getting.
Really guys. Are you that shallow and sensitive? You really need to "butch up" if that is the case. Emasculated COG ministers are really a sad thing to watch.
They particularly did not like the blog entry about online dating. They have now made that set of stories only accessible by password.
I was also told that they are not happy that I make fun of them for ignoring Jesus. I see nothing in the entire line of articles that deals with anything remotely related to Jesus. Sure there is the "Jesus came to preach the kingdom of God" thing, but after that sentence Jesus is sent to the barn yard to slop the pigs. While there are no articles on Jesus, there are plenty on Saul, Samuel, David, other OT men and Herbert Armstrong.
If these guys don't want to be mocked and made fun of by the rest of the COG's then STOP writing such asinine articles and focus on Jesus. The only contact most COG's have with Jesus is when they beat the crap out of him on Passover night and leave him bleeding on the stage. That is where he is left till the following year when he is raised up, dusted off and beat up again.
Dennis On: "Onward Christian Soldiers"
Lyrics
Onward, Christian soldiers!
Marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus
Going on before.
Christ, the royal Master,
Leads against the foe;
Forward into battle,
See his banners go!
Onward, Christian soldiers!
Marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus
Going on before.
At the sign of triumph
Satan's host doth flee;
On, then, Christian soldiers,
On to victory.
Hell's foundations quiver
At the shout of praise;
Brothers, lift your voices,
Loud your anthems raise.
Onward, Christian soldiers!
Marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus
Going on before.
Like a mighty army
Moves the Church of God;
Brothers, we are treading
Where the Saints have trod.
We are not divided;
All one body we:
One in hope and doctrine,
One in charity.
Onward, Christian soldiers!
Marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus
Going on before.
Onward, then, ye people;
Join our happy throng.
Blend with ours your voices
In the triumph song:
Glory, laud, and honor
Unto Christ, the King.
This through countless ages
Men and angels sing.
Onward, Christian soldiers!
Marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus
Going on before.
Even as a child in the Presbyterian Church, I never
liked singing Onward Christian Soldiers. It brought to my child mind white
robed zealots slashing and burning their way through the countryside giving the
heathen two choices...join or die. As I got older I realized that in
some parts of the world and in some ages that is exactly what the choices
zealous Christians gave the heathen. The heathen have their own rendition
of Onward Islamic Soldiers I am sure.
When I came into the WCG, of course, there were
many other hymns that I had never heard of. Most "written" or adapted from
the Old Testament by Dwight Armstrong. They also seemed to have a rather
gruesome theme of slash and burn or were based on the Psalms. Some,
like "Praise Ye the Lordo.." made you run out of breath just trying to
keep up. We climbed and leapt through windows and who can forget "Death
shall them seize and the tomb ALIVE they shall go down...Smiiiile
Brethren!" If you weren't depressed before church, you were
after.
But at my first church service ever at age 14,
there was good old Onward Christian Soldiers. I sang the words,
"with the cross of Jesus..." at the end before I realized the words had been
changed to "with the word of Jesus.." That should have been my first hint
of decades to come!
But it was that 3rd stanza that over the years in
the WCG and certainly now came symbolize the absolute insanity of the Church as
it presented itself in reality and ultimately.
Like a mighty army
Moves the Church of God;
Brothers, we are treading
Where the Saints have trod.
We are not divided;
All one body we:
One in hope and doctrine,
One in charity.
Onward, Christian soldiers!
Marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus
Going on before.
Moves the Church of God;
Brothers, we are treading
Where the Saints have trod.
We are not divided;
All one body we:
One in hope and doctrine,
One in charity.
Onward, Christian soldiers!
Marching as to war,
With the cross of Jesus
Going on before.
The church , WCG and all that followed, were never a mighty
army. There was usually one who wanted the soldiers to promote them and
send them, but there was no army. The Church of God hardly moved from what
I could tell and it often moved backwards, retreated, had to get back on the
track or wake up. What kind of army was that? I guess we trod
where the saints trod but that would mean they didn't have much success either
and had to put up with one dumb ass scandal, commands from on high and snow
flakes from heaven and HQ when they needed more ammo which was
money.
"We are not divided, all one body weeeee. One in hope and doctrine, One in charity." Really? Did I miss something over the years? This was never true and singing about it was not going to make it so. Any COG that sings these words to this day needs to simply drop it from the hymnal. I bet 90% of the congregation, when they get to this part, are thinking.."Ummm...nice idea but when is this going to happen?"
Personally, I believe that no group of many people
can "all speak the same thing." If they all are doing this then
there are a lot of brains checked at a lot of doors before entering. When
a Dave Pack, Ron Weinland or Gerald Flurry says this, what they really mean is
"we must all speak the same things I speak." It has precious little
to do with what is true or appropriate. It has everything to do with
compliance and staying in your seat. If the God of the OT had no problem
slaughtering little children, and he didn't, was the now Jesus of the NT who
wanted little children to come unto him, there is some real schizophrenia going
on here. That speaking the same thing has changed a lot over the
millennia. If you really thought Jesus was the reincarnation of YHVH
or EL of the OT, being called over to see him would be risky. Kind of like
having a conversation with Pennywise the Clown.
At any rate, stanza three has no place in a COG hymnal and the church has no business singing it. It indicts and incites but does not inspire. I don't want and never did want to belong to a mighty army shoving and pushing its ideas and demands on others as Weinland, Pack and Flurry do. (If you understand intercalation you will understand what you just read.)
The Apostle Pack's latest screed on himself and his
25 reasons why he is right is simply ridiculous, as are the previous 20
something screeds about himself, and the reasons aren't reasons at all.
Neither Haggai or any other place in the Bible ever heard of
Dave Pack and it is some sort of delusion to see yourself spoken of in
scripture. He just makes bull shit up and it seems right to
him.
He so badly wants to be in charge and to be special. He is not. He is building his opinions, speculations, musings, misunderstandings, misstatements and misinterpretations on sand. People are being and are going to continue to be hurt by this ego centric ministry, which only ministers to itself.
He so badly wants to be in charge and to be special. He is not. He is building his opinions, speculations, musings, misunderstandings, misstatements and misinterpretations on sand. People are being and are going to continue to be hurt by this ego centric ministry, which only ministers to itself.
And.... we know how that sand thing works
out...
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Still Arguing Over Make-up
They can't talk about Jesus or anything the guy accomplished, did or said, but they sure can talk about painted faces, vanity and sin....and Herbert Armstrong.
The early apostles are respected today by most true and professing Christians. However, Mr. Armstrong, the end-time apostle and leader of the 6th era of God's Church is not respected as an apostle by many of former members of the WCG.
Truth is put into God's Church through the apostles according to what Mr. Armstrong taught us and I see men injecting their "truths" into or removing Mr. Armstrong the end-time apostle's doctrines from their organizations.
The doctrine that Mr. Armstrong is the third Elijah or end-time Elijah is, I believe, an era difference: Philadelphia vs Laodicea. I believe that in general, the Philadelphians believe Mr. Armstrong is the end-time Elijah and the Laodiceans do not.
The makeup doctrine is different in that according to Mr. Armstrong wearing
makeup is a sin.
Quote:
That eye shadow on your face will keep you out of Armstrong's kingdom. Imagine a god so picky that makeup is a salvation changer. What idiots!It is put on the face for one or both of two general reasons: 1) to be like the world around you -- to be CONFORMED TO THIS WORLD, in direct DISOBEDIENCE to God's command; or else, 2) "to look nice," as women express it, which means simply, to CHANGE the appearance so as to make the face prettier than it naturally is -- WHICH IS VANITY! Either is a violation of God's Law, and A SIN! Actually, the only reason a woman wishes to conform to the world is VANITY -- fearing what the world will think, more than fearing GOD -- CARING more for the world and what it thinks than for GOD and what looks right IN HIS SIGHT!A woman may try to REASON and ARGUE around it, but every woman knows in her heart this is THE TRUTH. Every woman who has been CONQUERED by the Eternal God -- who is yielded to HIM -- who has repented and is converted who HAS AND IS LED BY GOD'S HOLY SPIRIT -- will admit this, and TURN FROM THIS SIN! from "Truth About Makeup" by Herbert W. Armstrong, 1964, 1968 edition
Now, this is not an "I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ" type of difference of administration or difference of personality. This is a Satan vs God difference of administration. If you are sinning you are of Satan and not of Christ and are not truly a part of God's True Church unless you repent.
Mr. Armstrong invoked a higher office when he rendered that final decision on makeup, and he did make it plain that it was final.
And this doctrine may also be an era difference defining doctrine that separates the Philadelphians from the Laodiceans but this is a doctrine that one is eventually going to have to repent of to be in God's Kingdom. Otherwise, it is a True Church vs Apostates defining doctrine, like Mr. Armstrong's administration vs Joseph Tkach administration and not a Philadelphian vs Laodicean difference.
As Mr. Armstrong at least once related that when he left someone else in charge of a congregation, in his early ministry, and left for a while and soon the members would be scattered. A parallel today is after his death, the sheep are again scattered. Each leader with a sales pitch to the sheep to choose which subset of doctrines they would like to adhere to be a part of his group (thankfully a few of the faithful ministers are still holding fast to all the doctrines we were taught).
Laodicea: "I'll have a weekly Sabbath and all the annual Holy Days. Hold the anti-makeup, anti-birthdays and 3rd tithe doctrines, please."
Isn't that what this type of picking and choosing is all about for Laodicea--the people decide.
God's apostle and end-time Elijah restored the truths that we should all be holding fast to. There is no picking or choosing.
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